By Jo Nova
It is as if Satan disappeared from the Bible
The sacred fabric of the climate religion is unravelling by the day. The COP30 deal is being hammered out in Brazil — but in the draft any mention of “fossil fuels” has been dropped.
Apparently the rich oil nations have formed a block that objects to a sentence committing countries to stronger, faster, action to reduce their use of fossil fuels. The UK, France and a few other nations have rejected this but the same small island nations that are frightened of drowning have joined the oil block.
Apparently they were offered more money to adapt to climate change.
UN climate summit drops mention of fossil fuels from draft deal
By Georgina Rannard, BBC
All mention of fossil fuels, by far the largest contributor to climate change, has been dropped from the draft deal under negotiation as the COP30 UN climate talks in Belém, Brazil enter their final stretch.
Brazil’s President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and some countries including the UK want the summit to commit countries to stronger, faster action to reduce their use of fossil fuels.
An earlier text included three possible routes to achieve this, but that language has now been dropped after opposition from oil-producing nations.
French Environment Minister Monique Barbut said the deal is being blocked by “oil-producing countries – Russia, India, Saudi Arabia, but joined by many emerging countries.” She suggested that small island nations may agree to a weaker deal on fossil fuels if they secured more finance to adapt to the changes in their countries caused by rising temperatures.
It was always about the money
The big question here (if this sticks) is why the oil block didn’t do this years ago?
The even bigger question is whether the oil block have found a way to circumvent The UN Blob? If they are paying the small countries off directly behind the scenes, the UN will miss out on collecting its share of the cash flow. The travesty!
The irony is that if “man-made climate change” was really a crisis, it makes more sense for the oil giants to pay the islands to build sea-walls — instead of rearranging the global economy to try to control the clouds and the ocean. But this unthinkable sacrilege cuts out the middlemen Blob-o-crats and stops the whole totalitarian power game.
The UN will not give up its aim to be the One World Government so easily.
The French Environment Minister was not happy:
On France’s position she said:”At this point, even if we don’t have the roadmap, but at least a mention of the fossil fuels, I think we would accept it. But as it stands now, we have nothing left.”
Expect The Blob to fight this all the way. There will be wrangling and then possibly “euphoric joy” about a “historic agreement” ready for cameras on the nine o’clock news.
Image by Vilius Kukanauskas from Pixabay
The Paris Agreement will soon be a coprolite.
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Now that’s real fossil fuel.
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Its funny how the Paris Agreement has never actually been an agreement.
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Correct. China and India plus Russia and the ME do what they want. Only the West seems affected. If one was conspiratorial you would think it was by some sort of plan to destroy the West.
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Your comments were stated around 40years ago (God, is it that long) when the UN put its initial drafts online for perusal by anyone interested. Many commented your thoughts ie this was a plan to hit the first world economies, redistribute their wealth and slow first world economies while the rest caught up. This was denied of course, but it’s exactly where we’ve ended up. Occasionally one has seen odd comments direct from some of those involved oligarchic European elites saying ‘if you think it’s all about climate you’re crazy. It’s the lead up required to establish One world order where people such as these commenters will control the world. You will own nothing and be happy’.
Just consider the degree of underhand behind the scenes planning for all this. At that time ‘The Club of Rome’ was occasionally sniped at for its rambling discussions by ex political, religious industrial and monarchical leaders on this stuff. I thought then what a load of cods because you could look up the membership and see the list of a lot of these characters you knew of. Has-beens rambling on about how the world could be run better (who for). Funnily enough I have learned to be a lot less sceptical of things that appear innocuous, powered by the innocuous, because it wasn’t long after that we learned of the opinion theory on anthropogenic Global Warming and how it required worldwide action.
Here we are, in a world of nations who would never bow to these elites, emitting their hearts out while taking over Western industrialisation with our stupid suicidal acquiescence. Democracies give away our wealth and destroy the economies that made us the most advanced civilisation on the planet for 600years. It’s only the democracies, excepting India, which will stupidly sign up for an all controlling central government. It’s the idyll of that club of Rome has-beens, looking for relevance that has lead us here imo. Trump is saving us for a while, but I believe this is what the USA Democrats planned for the USA and democracies, along with the European elites. Obama kicked it along. It’s why they have become so toxic as they see Trump destroy their work of the last 20years or more.
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I’d be interested to know what started the fire that’s been reported at COP30. They are saying the cause is unknown. Smells like a battery fire to me.
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I understand it may have been caused by the local workers having a traditional lunch.
The panic was likely caused when the vegan delegates started screaming and ran.
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The South Americans also eat roast guinea pig, hangi style. I’d like to try one.
I’ve long believed that vegetarian religions originating in poor countries merely make a virtue out of a necessity.
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The UN has always been about money and power. That’s why Climate Change was invented! Except now there’s more cash in selling oil/gas/coal/wind/solar so COP31 will an ‘energy’ meeting. Why else have it in Qatar, UAE, Baku?
This reflects the grab for power in Australia. We have a Federal minister, a department for Climate and Energy. But neither is in the Australian Constitution.
You get the same in the US where Trump is closing down the useless Federal Department of Education. Because Education and Health are not in the US Constitution either. They have been created.
In Australia for example, the Federal Government controls everyone through ‘gifts’, an escape clause in the Constitution. And if you don’t do what you are told, they cut off the money. All borderline illegal.
The Constitution and so the power of Federal Governments and of the United Nations were about war and trade. So Defence, Trade, Currency. States still controlled everything else like Health, Police, Roads,..
But Climate Change allowed a massive shift of power to the UN and to Federal Governments. I still cannot believe we have a Climate Department with a Climate Minister. They even had to invent ‘The Science’ to make it happen. And to force people to abandon minerals like coal and gas. Everyone must move to electricity which can be controlled Federally with a Minister for Energy. And a single gigantic GRID controlled by the Minister, as spider’s web built at enormous cost to hand literally all power to Canberra.
And the UN has done the same thing. Now demanding a $42Billion Climate tax on international trade (shipping). World taxation for which we get absolutely nothing. And the UN becomes a real government.
“The Science” has enabled the shift of power. It has always been the great attraction of Climate Change. Science is now what governments say it is and Australia, Federally and at a State level now has endless laws and taxes based solely on Climate ‘Science’. Which is absurd. And our Energy and Climate Minister is now a happy world leader controlling world climates. Climate has created a new world order by directly controlling the means of production directly. Sound familiar?
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This is a valuable science blog, discussion the impact of real science on issues like the weather. But increasingly it is extremely obvious that there is zero science in Climate Change. No one really cares about CO2. The Climate Science laws are multiplying like the Gemino curse in Gringott’s Bank. The fact that they are all invalid doesn’t matter. And the number of public servants and the taxes and the massive spending has nothing to do with reality. Like the $20+ Billion Snowy II which will be completely useless once finished, if ever.
And the people who are being shut down with massive taxes and the soaring price of electricity are starting to revolt. Even the banks! So the ever ready governments have shifted to hidden taxes, namely the Safeguard Mechanism. The only thing being safeguarded is the river of Climate Cash, now hidden in every purchase you make. Even the cost of flushing the toilet as the MMBW is now a Major Polluter. And you, the people, are being told nothing. It’s always been about power and so about cash. To save the planet, of course. That’s they the UN exists.
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I see this in other areas. The Government has doubled the tax on cigarettes. Excise is now $1.50 on a single cigarette.
And tax revenue has halved! Consider, double the tax and the revenue halves. That’s 1/4 the legal purchase of cigarettes?
In Victoria tobacco shops are subject to ram raids, bombs and mayhem, protected like fortresses. These taxes have pushed $8 Billion a year to criminals selling CHINESE tobacco.
Why? Smoking is not going down, it is going to international criminals and all the cash is going to China. To stop smoking? Really? Legal Cigarettes can be $80 a packet.
It’s a parallel with Climate Change. And all the windmill and solar cash is going to China, of course. To stop the weather. Billions upon billions for stuff which will not last 20 years.
I find the same with coal excise. Daniel Andrews tripled the excise on Coal and shut down Hazelwood power station. Death by taxation.
And changes like the Victorian tripling of tax on Cruise Ships, from $5 a person to $15. Now the wharves of Melbourne which ran out of room for cruise ships are completely empty. No income, no thousands of tourists a day spending millions of dollars. And nothing is said. The Trans Tasman ferry, a Safeguard Mechanism ‘big CO2 polluter’ was moved to Geelong because there was no room. And now there is plenty of room at empty berths.
What I see is Climate Change being used to cripple Australia economically at every level. And send the money to China or stop us from using our own gas, oil, uranium. Better leave it all in the ground for the next owners.
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The picture you paint is one of nightmares. There is a common thread and that is socialism. Socialism is all about equality; the productive give to the non productive ; the productive gain nothing so stop being productive; the non productive starve. The Aborigines practiced a form of socialism until the non productive became a burden or threatened the survival of the group, they were then left with a little fire to eventually die. The productive here are getting sick of handing over their hard earned to prop up the non productive, the recipients of free stuff who always vote for more free stuff. To make the theft more appealing the ALP socialists do not income test the freebies so the better off are having their left pocket rifled while a few bribes are deposited in the right, think child care and power rebates.
Tell me. If you were a wind or solar proponent would you feel confident signing up for a new project just now? That transmission line to connect the proposed but not built renewable energy projects looks a bit shaky doesn’t it.
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One thing that’s curious to me is that the Science community doesn’t indicate much awareness that their reputations have been damaged.
For me, and many other deplorables, “Follow The Science” invokes suspicion.
Finger waving.
A tongue lashing.
And not the good kind.
So they can go and tongue lash themselves.
And they may have a single un-waved finger in response.
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Once you make science a matter of opinion, all else follows. Even scientists. Get cancelled. No job and a family to feed.
Our politicians are becoming increasingly malignant as they use these laws to control us and destroy free speech. The hypocrisy behind all this is the use of environmental legislation to control us. No longer do we really own land and our houses are in their sights to satisfy their political problems. Former principles of ownership are killed in this process. Farmers don’t own their land. In Victoria they can be fined outrageous amounts if they impede access to turbines, power lines and solar panels. In WA the government planned to limit farmer ownership to just the top few cms of soil. How they manage their farms was to be limited to what government decreed; absurdity has been manifest. In housing the move is always around to either tax you on unused bedrooms or force you to take in the homeless. In WA the fishing grounds of the entire south coast have been pushed into a huge marine park without recompense to the fishing fleets where the fisherman compose a major part of the economies of the small towns along that coastline. Aboriginal tribal areas are marked on official maps of the entire southern shoreline.One can guess what that will mean to favoured tourist areas.
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Correct. Can you imagine what the world would look like if that assassin’s bullet had been 1 centimeter to the right. Trump is literally defending the West and therefore the world.
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TdeF,
Excellent comments.
Might I add that Australia’s Federal Government does not even have a Mining Act. The States and NT do. The ownership of minerals on/under our land stayed with the States under the Constitution Act of the early 1900s.
It follows that Federal actions to control, influence or profit from mining goes against the clear intent of our Constitution. Why do we allow this? Mainly because of the power of bureaucratic propaganda.
Geoff S
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Self preservation
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uTmfwklFM-M
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A lot of developing countries are wisely saying they need to develop their fossil fuel resources in order to grow their economies, so they will not commit to a UN mandate to phase them out by a specific date. The Africans were among the first to object to the proposed termination roadmap. They are wising up. Great news!
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I think we should start annual awards. The contributors here can nominate worthy recipients and then vote on who should receive these prestigious awards. Lots of possible trophies to send to the winner such as can be found at https://www.etsy.com/nz/market/biggest_loser_award
My favourite would be https://www.etsy.com/nz/listing/453751626/pile-of-crap-last-place-biggest-loser
With 4 lines of custom print, just right for some of these guys.
The Gore-Hansen Award for the most inaccurate climate prediction
The Mann Award for the most brutal defence of lies, inaccuracies and data manipulation
The Monbiot Award for the most deranged and treasonable social commentary
The Dessler – Schmidt Award for talking complete bollocks
Any thoughts, other categories and nominations?
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Flannery would have to be on the Aussie list.
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The man who pushed the drought which would never end is all washed up. Back to the river front house on the Hawkesbury then.
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The Bowen- for issuing the most ad hominems and mentions of “the science”
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I could add one more. The award for the most evil, psychotic, misanthropic actions designed to screw over an entire country in order to further a career with the UN or WEF. So, for giving the middle finger to all New Zealand so she could get a well paid job with the UN, the first Ardern Award goes to: drum roll please: Jacinda Ardern. At first, I could not make up my mind if this woman was naive and inexperienced, or purely evil. As it turned out, she was neither naive nor inexperienced. Nuff said.
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FA,
Jacinda is also living evidence supporting the Sherrington Hypothesis that atmospheric CO2 increase is fertilizing the growth of human teeth of youngsters. What’s not to like? Geoff S
p.s. Teeth examination is routine in horse racing circles. Has anyone there seen horse teeth getting bigger?@1
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Again, we are living in the safest period in Human history, just look up the data.
Why do they want us to tell lies and invent problems that don’t exist?
All available at OWI Data for no cost and yet they want us to BELIEVE their lunacy and WASTE TRILLIONs of $ and DESTROY our pristine environments.
Without reliable BASELOAD energy we have no NATIONAL SECURITY. Just ask China, India and the NON OECD countries etc.
When will we WAKE UP?
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Not sure the population will ever wake up in the sense you mean. More likely we will drift on to the next manufactured Baba Yaga that only the ruling class can save us from , but only we provide enough money.
The Cold War, Asian country domino theory, 70s Ice Age, Peak Oil, the Ozone Hole, the great Covid blow out, AGW hysteria and so it goes all the way down the chain to country and State level. For us in Oz the dams never filling or the ever not dying GBR or the need for a Voice to “close the gap” would be examples.
Or maybe there just aren’t enough red pills to go around?
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COP30: Amazon at risk as Brazil’s new oil approvals clash with climate promises
Brazil’s decision to approve oil drilling exploration near the Amazon River has raised concerns over the future of the critical rain forest.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/cop30-amazon-at-risk-as-brazil-s-new-oil-approvals-clash-with-climate-promises/3750236
Follow the money: yes sir, absolutely sir.
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“Fossil fuels the largest contributor to climate change”. What a joke. Typical of the BBC (and the rest of them).
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Demand that the BBC, and Their ABC, operate solely from solar panels and windmills installed on their buildings and in the grounds around them.
No cheating like the ACT, which “buys” the nominal output of distant solar and wind generators, but actualy uses the output of coal, gas and hydro generators.
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Yes, it’s a huge lie that the politicians and public serpents of Canberra tell that they run on “100% renewables” when it’s just a devious accounting trick.
Obviously it regularly escapes the attention of the Australian National Audit Office who should detect such scams.
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Please do not forget the ‘TIM’ also known as the ‘Flammery’
or the Robyn “100 Metres” William award though he evidently is not associated with that comment according to the brave AI. The circular argument that I just had was really strange. Very difficult to even associate Williams with the comment even though the AI admits he is associated with having said 100 metres only it keeps arguing that he did not support such a hypothesis, which was not my question.
Maybe the Williams Award should be for managing the missive and/or an Orwellian’Squealer’award where the writing on the barn wall changes.
The AI gets the Sargeant Shultz Award – ‘I know Nothsink’
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Apologies!
I was posting this in reply to EZRA #6
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I quizzed Grok persistently on this Robyn Williams 100 metres thing. It said that the only context in which 100 metres was ever mentioned by Robyn Williams, or in a conversation in which Robyn Williams participated, was a conversation with Jonathan Overpeck in which J.O. talked about sea levels having been up to 100m higher in the distant past. Grok said that R.W. has never referred to 100m in any future context. Absent contrary evidence I will accept that finding (Grok can scan in a few seconds far more stuff than I can in days)
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Interesting as the references to Gerard Henderson and Andrew Bolt come up with a DNS error. Jennifer Marohasy’s post was there just the links did not work.
So? Do the search engines scan the archives or is it the usual totalitarian stuff where you are uncertain of the past but can be guaranteed the future?
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I am fairly certain that Robyn Williams did talk about 100m sea level rise in the near future.
I hope someone can find the receipt.
AI can be misleading.
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Not quite there but getting close.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/sea-level-rises-down-30-per-cent-still-waiting-for-robyn-williams-100-metres/news-story/a0b89179131de037c14983e219fac089
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Broadie,
It is now par for the course for self-described celebrity scientists to be believed by a large part, even a majority, of the public. Some names include Dr Karl who makes incredible home-made prognostications and pseudo-medical Gerald Quigley who pushes medical matters that mainstream medicos reject (like John West fish ads).
I strongly favour free speech so I do not call for hucksters to be banned. I do call for broadcasters to use some skill and reality before offering platforms for such people. Both appear on the most-heard Melbourne radio station, 3AW. Why?
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I don’t know how this will help the woke Western countries very much.
They will ideally stop wasting money on windmill, solar and battery plantations like Australia does, leading to destruction of living standards and shutdown of industry BUT instead will pay the same vast amounts of taxpayer money as tribute to Third World countries, in Australia’s case probably mostly Pacific nations and terrorist territories like Gaza and others as well.
As former co-chair of Working Group III “Mitigation of Climate Change” of the (IPCC) Ottmar Edenhofer said in 2010.
This evidence has been submitted to the Australian Parliament by Senator Malcol Roberts and it shows up in a Gulag search. Don’t let the politicians tell you “they didn’t know”. Gulag search results:
It’s basically global wealth transfer via communist policies in the guise of “climate change”. But in reality, it will be more of the same wealth redistribution from the poor to rich Leftist Elites.
But most of us here already knew that.
In terms of poverty inducing extreme taxes and economic destruction of the West, except the United States under TRUMP, I see nothing changing, especially in the fanatically gullible and committed subscribers to the anthropogenic global warming scam like Australia.
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The French really tick me off!! No one likes a smart alec, monsieur. Especially when the majority of your electricity comes from nuclear. Why are you even at COP, you silly frog leg eater. That’s half the problem with the Victorian power generation assets, they’re owned by ENGIE ( French company) with a non liking for coal. You’d think they would have put their hand up to help us build some nuclear power in the unlikely event the federal legislation gets overturned some day. Nup, stumpf, or whatever that is in French. We sure as hell shouldn’t be taking any heed of their COP 30 statements.
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Good. I won’t mention The Ashes then.
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And to the musical theme of the TV Series Rawhide –
Keep them Bowlers (English) bowling – Rawhide……………..
Or, for the purposes of the above Post –
Use those Fossil Fuels (Hydrocarbons) people – Rawhide.
Oh well………….
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No, by all means continue to mention The Ashes. Trav Ball went swimmingly.
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Nope. As a fan of fossil fuels (and of Australia thumping England in Test matches; especially in come-from-behind Test matches), I will continue to mention the Ashes.
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If this is the case, it may not take long for Pacific Island nations to dial back their demands for climate cash because the UN is issuing most of it to them in the form of loans. No doubt the private contractors benefiting from these schemes have a healthy relationship with the UN. Climate action changing nothing but increasing the amount of debt for small nations.
https://theconversation.com/cop29-climate-finance-for-the-pacific-is-mostly-loans-saddling-small-island-nations-with-more-debt-243675
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Adaptation is the new grift.
Bill Gates was the first canary to fall off the perch.
Watch this space.
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Add to the List – Tony Bliar, Boris Johnston and soon to be many, many others.
I don’t think that Bill baby was the first.
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Scott Morrison
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Any backdown from Net Zero is only meaningful and genuine if accompanied by 100% abandonment of the Paris Agreement and a return to things how they were before 1997 when Howard initiated the dismantlement of Australia’s energy supply.
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Even though our man in UN climate Change Politics has attempted to change and soften the narrative with “a just, orderly and equitable transition away from fossil fuels” he must be as thick as two short planks!
Bowen backs fossil fuel phase out as COP delegates remain deadlocked
Energy Minister Chris Bowen has signed Australia up to ‘a just, orderly and equitable transition away from fossil fuels’ amid bitter divisions at the UN climate change conference over the world’s energy future.
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Broadie,
It is now par for the course for self-described celebrity scientists to be believed by a large part, even a majority, of the public. Some names include Dr Karl who makes incredible home-made prognostications and pseudo-medical Gerald Quigley who pushes medical matters that mainstream medicos reject (like John West fish ads).
I strongly favour free speech so I do not call for hucksters to be banned. I do call for broadcasters to use some skill and reality before offering platforms for such people. Both appear on the most-heard Melbourne radio station, 3AW. Why?
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Sefton Delmer, from memory, a journalist born to Australian parents in the UK explains how radio was used by the Allies in World War 2. Delmer actually interviews Hitler during the rise of the Nazi Regime.
In the introduction to his Book ‘Black Boomerang’ he explains why after years of silence he decided to correct the misuse of the propaganda he created having found this false narrative meant that Hitler’s henchmen such as those in the legal system were allowed to re-establish themselves in positions of power after the war. Apparently from what now looks like the nearly complete destruction of the Allied manufacturing to successfully conclude the task Hitler set Goring’s Luftwaffe.
We live in a Truman Show and really have no idea of what is real, surreal, science or nonsense.
My advice is to enjoy those around you and to give without expecting anything in return, that is other than a smile or a thank-you.
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Nut Zero dying … so what?
Satan disappearing from the bible? That is an interesting subject.
For, when I tried to find the original concept of “Hell” in the bible I discovered that the idea of “hell” was largely invented AFTER the bible was written, and there was almost nothing to support it. Instead three different words are translated as “Hell”. One being the Greek underworld “Hades”, another being a rubbish tip and I think the other meant death … none what I imagined.
So, I wondered if Satan really is in the bible. Satan as a word is, but the meaning is from Hebrew שָׂטָן (“adversary, accuser”). So a phrase like “Get behind me satan” … would have meant “get behind me adversary”. So, it is quite possible that the original user (if indeed it was said), merely meant a rebuke to someone standing against the “overwhelming scientific consensus” to give a modern context.
So, I strongly suspect that “Satan” as “they” exist as an idea in the modern world doesn’t exist in the bible. Satan as an “adversary” does exist. What was actually in the minds of people at the time of Jesus the Palestinian is debatable and would require a lot of research to come to any conclusion. But the conclusion might be that their view of “satan” was so different from “Satan” that it might be true that Satan doesn’t exist in the bible.
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A smart move to go down the adaption route and to fund things to adapt to the effects of climate change, should any actually appear. But given decades of failed predictions that seems unlikely.
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“We have nothing left”` You had nothing to start with, <:o)
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