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UK Tories promise to let industry dig up all the North Sea oil and gas they can find

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Cromarty Firth, where old North Sea Oil platforms are dragged to rest until the price of oil rises again. | Photo by joiseyshowaa Cromarty Firth Oil Rigs 

By Jo Nova

Finally, the UK conservative Party is offering fossil fuels with no apology

It’s all good, but the UK Opposition left it so late to actually oppose The Blob, that Nigel Farage and Reform UK may wipe them out permanently. The latest polls have Reform romping ahead on  29-35%, leading the Labor government who can only get support from 18-24% of voters. The conservatives (who, let’s remember, were The Government a bit over a year ago) have slumped to 15-20%.

Now that Nigel Farage has made it obvious what voters want, the Tories have finally been dragged into offering it too. But true leaders are the people that do it first. We hope Sussan Ley, Australia’s opposition leader, is paying attention.

In March The Tories dumped the impossible NetZero plan. Now they say that if they are (ever) elected again, they will “maximize extraction” of North Sea oil and gas, which sounds like the British way of saying “Drill Baby Drill”.

Tories pledge to get all oil and gas out of North Sea

BBC

Kemi Badenoch has said her party will remove all net zero requirements on oil and gas companies drilling in the North Sea if elected.

The Conservative leader is to formally announce the plan to focus solely on “maximising extraction” to get “all our oil and gas out of the North Sea” in a speech in Aberdeen on Tuesday,

She will claim that net zero measures mean households end up “paying the price through higher energy bills”.

Only a couple of years ago this would have caused apoplexy writ large:

Kemi Badenoch pledges to make oil and gas ‘cornerstone’ of UK economy

The Independent

A Tory government would make North Sea oil and gas the “cornerstone” of the economy, Kemi Badenoch will pledge, as she hit out at Labour for treating the sector as a “relic of the past”.

The Conservative leader, who said she wants to see as much oil and gas extracted from the UK Continental Shelf as possible, will insist that it is only her party that is “backing Britain’s North Sea industry”.

Her comments came as David Whitehouse, chief executive of the industry body Offshore Energies UK, said there was “an important message that the UK should produce its own oil and gas”. He said that estimates suggest the UK will need between 10 billion and 15 billion barrels of oil and gas between now and 2050 – the target date for the country to reach net zero.

But Mr Whitehouse added the UK was currently on course to produce less than four billion barrels from the North Sea.

Only a month ago, the New Zealand government finally voted to undo Jacinda Arderns rules and resume oil and gas exploration. 

New Zealand government votes to bring back fossil fuel exploration in major reversal

The Guardian

New Zealand’s government has voted to resume oil and gas exploration despite an outcry from the opposition and environmental groups who argue the reversal will lay waste to the country’s climate credentials.

The climate agenda is falling apart all over the world:

“No doubt growing public scepticism is what has fuelled Kemi Badenoch’s plans to ‘drill, baby, drill’. The burden of Net Zero is now impossible to ignore. Households and industries have reached breaking point. A deep well of anger has effectively forced Badenoch’s hand,” says @FraserMyers.  “For years, voters were treated as mere bystanders while stringent Net Zero policies were agreed on above their heads. That is now over. The revolt against the climate consensus is just getting started.””  — @NetZeroWatch

 

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83 comments to UK Tories promise to let industry dig up all the North Sea oil and gas they can find

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    Fuel Filter

    This WAY more than *Great* news😎😎😎😀😀😀😀

    Nigel is gonna wipe the floor with them😈😈😈😈😈

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      Steve

      I’ll believe the UK has abandoned it’s green delusions when they dump their ridiculous fracking ban and start tapping into the Bowman shale formation. It’s the second dumbest fracking policy in the western world (behind New York’s refusal to tap into the Marcellus shale formation while their neighbor Pennsylvania drinks it all up). They’re leaving money, cheap energy, and great paying blue collar jobs on the table while getting a negative return on their ‘renewable’ investments.

      I notice Badenoch made no mention of fracking, so I assume the Tories are still anti-fracking.

      Not sure where Reform stands on the issue.

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        Steve

        I looked it up and apparently Reform is pro-fracking at the national level and it’s part of their platform, though local parties are still split on it. Which is fine. No community should be FORCED (or BANNED) from doing what they think is best for their residents. If the Lancashire politicians are terrified of ‘earthquakes’ then they should have the option to ban fracking locally, and their citizens can either support that decision or to vote in new politicians who value job, wealth, and cheap energy over the infinitesimally small chance of fracking causing their town to fall into the sea.

        https://drillordrop.com/2025/09/03/fracking-splits-reform/

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    Simon

    One of the proposals for consideration at Cop 30 is a fossil fuel non-proliferation treaty. There’s no point in looking for more when reduction in use have to occur now and quickly.

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      Tim Whittle

      So many people leaving the room. Read it. Your bedtime scare stories are unscientific, uneconomic, and brimming with despair. Would that you could find some Hope in Life, rather than continuously spinning your hateful dirge.

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      MrGrimNasty

      Simon, perhaps you’d like to make a list of all the countries that would make such an agreement and abide by it with immediate effect, and the proportion of global emissions that they are responsible for. That’s with no exemptions to ‘catch up’ until 2050 i.e. to damage competitors but with no intention to ever abide themselves. You’re in Fantasyland.

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      paul courtney

      Mr. Simon: If you have to, you say? What if it isn’t as you say?
      Next up for pollies regaining sanity across the pond is to allow NG fracking, then the brits can learn the russian words for “push off”.

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      David Maddison

      You are welcome to stop using fossil fuels yourself Simon, don’t impose your ignorance on the rest of us.

      However, there is almost nothing in modern society that is not dependent upon or derived from coal, gas or oil.

      You would have to start living a Paleolithic lifestyle for which you’d have to go and wander around the Outback with a few primitive tools, slways too cold or too hot, living in miserable conditions, always on the brink of starvation, just like the previous inhabitants of Australia.

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        Boambee John

        The good part about Simple Simon abandoning all use of fossil fuels is that he would have no electronic devices, and would not be able to babble here.

        No plastics, no metallic parts, only searching for deadfall timber to cook his rabbit stew.

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      Peter Fitzroy

      It’s barely economic, most of the oil must be refined elsewhere, gas is on a tiny fraction of consumption, there is a decommissioning cost (paid by UK taxpayers) and all the profits go offshore. So this is just another example of state capture

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        yarpos

        Yes it wonder they persist, those silly people

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        David Maddison

        UK taxpayers do not fund decommissioning.

        Under the the Petroleum Act UK asset owners, operators and their partners carry the cost burden.

        As I understand it, companies can claim decommissioning as a tax deduction. There is nothing strange about this. In most countries business expenses can be legally deducted from profits before tax.

        The UK provides Decommissioning Relief Deeds (DRDs) which guarantee a certain rate of tax deductions in future, even if tax rates and tax laws change. This is necessary given the long term nature of the investment.

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          Peter Fitzroy

          those companies receive a tax credit which is higher than the decommissioning cost (you left that bit out) by having tax rules that allow oil producers to reclaim taxes paid in previous years to cover the cost of decommissioning, the taxpayer does pay. but even with your explanation, taxpayers are still on the hook.

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            Lawrie

            Unlike the wind and solar factories in Australia who seem to use the fire and forget approach. At least the fossil fuel industries have a rehabilitation programme in place as part of the approval process. Not so the wind and solar junkies; property owners who host turbines and large scale panels were warned today that they could be liable for the decommissioning and recycling of beyond life appliances. Those overseas companies harvesting subsidies from poor Australians will resort to bankruptcy about the time their plants become unprofitable and withdraw to their tax havens offshore. The farmer will be left in the lurch and from the figures being suggested he/she will be unlikely to have received enough compensation to pay for the remediation.

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        Boambee John

        What is the decommissioning cost for solar and wind generators at the end of their short effective working lives?

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          Dennis

          Codrington Wind Farm Victoria Australia, the first to be installed and now …

          ‘This project is the first of its kind in Australia and we take this responsibility very seriously.’

          Earlier this year, Pacific Blue announced it would not be repowering the ageing turbines and would, instead, explore options for their decommissioning.

          According to the company, which is headquartered east of the wind farm in Melbourne, the site is no longer commercially viable.

          To keep the site operational, its grid connection would require significant upgrades.

          And if the company were to replace the turbines with more modern equivalents, spacing requirements would preclude the installation of any more than four.

          ‘The company’s analysis considered the limitations of space on the site and necessary upgrades to modernise the grid equipment, ultimately resolving that a new project at Codrington is not financially viable for this location,’ it said in a statement.

          Pacific Blue said permit conditions require the turbines to be decommissioned within 12 months after the farm stops generating power.

          According to Re-Alliance, 85 wind farms across Australia are due to retire by 2045.

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          Lawrie

          John. You surely meant short ineffective lives.

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      As for Cop30 it should be a Cop Out. Finally, well done the UK Conservatives.

      However, Reform will get there first IMHO.

      Now for the Libs/Nats here to follow suit.

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      Serge Wright

      Considering the non-OECD countries have never had any genuine intention of reducing emissions and have been busy rapidly increasing FF usage for the past 30 years, and now the USA has a Trump card, which countries do you think would sign up to such a treaty?. The reality is that this type of treaty is pure left wing fantasy and no different to claiming China will always start decreasing emissions “next year”. A line that’s been trotted out for the past 20 years every year without fail, along with others such as cheaper electricity will happen “next year” when we add just that bit more RE. What is it about the brains of people on the left that make them so totally gullible and willing to accept such obvious falsehoods over and over and over again without any sign of doubt in their beliefs for next years wrong predictions ?.

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      MeAgain

      The nuclear weapons one has gone so well, what a brilliant idea.

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      Steve

      It’s cute you think any nation pays attention to COP resolutions anymore.

      With the exception of Australia, the energy hog/exporter countries (USA, China, Russia, Canada, India, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Indonesia, etc.) give it lip service while continuing to drill baby drill. The energy poor countries with big economies in western Europe have been learning hard lessons about the limitations of green energy ever since the Russia-Ukraine war cut off their primary source of cheap energy. The only countries who care about COPs anymore are the energy-poor, tiny economies that see it as a path squeeze some money out of the big boys. But the big boys aren’t paying up anymore. Many of them aren’t even pretending to give a crap anymore.

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    Greg in NZ

    Two-thirds of NZ’s coalition government want to pull the pin on Paris as well, yet we all know when politricksters’ lips are moving…

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/571796/act-wants-out-of-paris-agreement-national-says-no

    The other third saying ‘no’ are the ones who signed the [useless, self-defeating, treasonous] ‘agreement’ 10 years ago. Even so, it’s nice to believe.

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      RickWill

      That is news that will never appear on their ABC.

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      farmerbraun

      I think that NZ’s strategy should be lip service only ; no need to announce our intentions. Jacinda signed an agreement with the EU that sees us severely punished for immoderate speech even.

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    MrGrimNasty

    It’s probably already been windfall taxed to death, a punitive rate applies until 2030; and will they really invest anew when there could be another policy reversal in a few years?

    https://x.com/NetZeroWatch/status/1962843975552778722

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    Ed Zuiderwijk

    Too little, too late. For both the UK economy and the Conservative party. The damage done by Mad Ed Miliband will take years to repair. A production line terminated is just that: gone. To restart means building up from scratch. In the meantime the country will have gone down the drain of mismanagement and Labour’s stupidity.

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      Bob Close

      It’s not just the Conservatives but also Labour and the Lib Dems who have trumpeted Net Zero emissions policies for the last decade. They have all been deluded by the climate cult alarmists who have skillfully used environmental emotionalism and `doing the right thing’ morality to persuade people that there is a climate crisis happening caused by greedy capitalists who a stealing the future from our children, so we have to limit industrial progress or the planet will be ruined. However, over the last 40 years dictating their alarm and predicting climate disasters due to our hubris, nothing of the kind happened. So, people are now tired of being told what to do and think by-the `experts’ who have only given them financial grief, tanking economies, fearful children and false propaganda. The climate farce and `renewables’ energy scam is now out there being picked apart by real scientific and engineering experts who know WE HAVE TOGO BACK TO THE FUTURE WITH FOSSIL FUELS AND NUCLEAR ENERGY.
      It’s the only thing that makes sense.
      So, the UK needs the North Sea not only for oil and gas but coal and coal gasification, plus on-land fracking of abundant oil shale basins in Lancashire and the Weald amongst other regions. There is plenty of power there for this century until new technology replaces these basic commodities, no need to panic, just get on with it.

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    Ruairi

    In the North Sea old oil-wells thought dry,
    Can with new techniques get a fresh try,
    As high pressure injection,
    And choke points ejection,
    Guarantee a future supply.

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    Graham Richards

    The people of the UK should not believe a word from either the Labour Party or the Conservatives.

    Both those excuses for leadership have promised time & again to sort the illegal migration problem & purposely backflipped . Total, devious, immoral, liars!!! The people can never trust them again & should not trust their Royal family either. Charles is as bad as the politicians, as is his son, the king in waiting.

    Clear the decks once & for all by putting True Englishman in charge. He’ll put the the Great back into Britain. There’s only this, last opportunity to save the entire country.

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      GlenM

      Not should we believe our ones. Duplicity an outright lies is their mark. Ley is weak and so the urban Bien pensants hold sway.

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      Graham Richards

      Remember the first opportunity to clear the decks??

      The BNP could have avoided all the crap with one or two terms of government. Instead Britain has to face all this woke insanity & bear the cost of ££ trillions to solve a non existent crisis of Co2!, not to mention a tsunami of 3rd world migrants adding to the theft of UK’s wealth!!!

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    James Murphy

    My opinion, as someone who has spent the last 20+ years in upstream oil & gas in various countries, including the UK…
    The UK North Sea oil industry is in decline. The only thing “booming” at the moment is decommissioning / plug and abandon work. Companies are drilling, but only as they have spent the last few years doing the hard yards, and do not want to throw away all they’ve invested so far. Future investment is bleak to say the least, thanks to the “windfall tax”.
    The Dutch and Norwegian sectors of the North Sea are doing reasonably well though.

    There are far more people involved in oil and gas exploration than the people on drilling rigs that always get shown on the news.
    Just like New Zealand when the government sabotaged the industry there, all the relevant UK North Sea expertise will soon retire (or has), or move to where the work is. The data will be archived, sold off, lost, or otherwise neglected.

    The next UK general election isn’t until 2029. Even if the Tories won, and managed to instantly change all the relevant policies, I doubt there will be any drilling as a result of exploration until 2031-32, with production 3-4 years after that, at the earliest – assuming they quickly find something to produce.

    I hope I’m wrong, but the reality is that lead time is a matter of years – no company just decides to spend upwards of US$500k / day (call it a median price if you like) to drill holes based on a feeling, especially not in a harsh environment like the North Sea, and in an area with extremely rigorous environmental protection requirements.

    I hope Labour see sense and backflip on their oil and gas policies like they have with many others. I also think it’s good that the Tories are saying reasonably sensible things about Net Zero, so it’s not all doom and gloom – I’d take the rare but tiny tiny victories over none, at this stage, even if the “Conservatives” probably turn out to be lying again.

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      James Murphy

      Talking of lead times – remember if you will, the plans by BP and others to drill in the Great Australian Bight.
      I heard about this project as a result of tenders and requests for proposals at least 5 years before the media fear mongering about it.
      Diamond Offshore (now Noble Corp.) – a drilling contractor, commissioned a unique, custom designed rig (named the “Ocean Great White”) just for the Bight campaign.
      For the interested, here’s a specification sheet for the rig… all yours for about US$1 million a day, give or take…
      https://www.noblecorp.com/our-fleet/fleet/fleet-details/2024/Ocean-GreatWhite/default.aspx

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    David Maddison

    In Australia the fake conservative Liberals still maintain anti-energy policies nearly as bad as the communists (Labor).

    They even supported a constitutional ban on fracking in Victoriastan and more aggressive Net Zero policies than Labor.

    Federally, the Liberals support nuclear. I have no problem with nuclear but only where it’s more economical than coal. Sometimes it will be, other times not. It’s an economic decision. The Libs only support nuclear because they still believe in Net Zero. And there’s virtually no chance of getting agreements and approvals to build a nuclear reactor in today’s Australia, even if it were a declared national emergency to solve the power crisis.

    Also don’t forget it was the Libs that initiated Australia into its current energy crisis such as allowing renewables to connect to the grid, banning nuclear power by law, Howard selling much of our gas supply to the Chicomms at world’s cheapest prices on a bizarre 30 year contract (still running) with no provision for market price or inflation, Howard subsiding ethanol production for cars, etc..

    They simply don’t have a clue but are slightly less bad than Labor. Nevertheless the Party is still woke and still dominated by the woke, anti-energy far Left faction that call themselves the “moderates”.

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    Robber

    Over the last five years the fixed charge for electricity in Victoria, the default offer, has gone from 92 cents/day to 116 cents per day. The maximum usage charge has remained at 29 cents/kWh reflecting the subsidies paid for rooftop solar.

    Meanwhile the rest of the world thrives on nuclear, coal and gas.
    Australia, the unlucky country?

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      Gazzatron

      Australia, the stupid country more like it, over run by woktard leftie politicians, bureaucrats and Labor/Greens voters.

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    John F. Hultquist

    Are there enough spaces on the voting sheet to accommodate Olukemi Olufunto Adegoke Badenoch?

    She appears to be the sort of person I would vote for. But I would have to move 7,600km (4,700 miles) east and that’s not going to happen.

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      Neville

      John I’d rather cut my throat than vote for Labor in the UK, but what’s the problem voting for the Reform party?
      If they had a preferential system like Australia I’d vote Reform then Conservatives then Labor last on the ballot paper.

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    Angus McLennan

    Any action that promotes food production is a good Idea!!

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    David Maddison

    The energy crisis is partly brought about by the profound scientific ignorance of politicians and the Sheeple, the products of a totally dumbed-down education/indoctrination system since its infestation by the Left.

    I bet most couldn’t even write a basic combustion equation e.g. C(s) + O₂(g) → CO₂(g) or state the approximate level of CO2 in the atmosphere.

    And back in the day, I remember learning in primary school (US = elementary) all the wonderful things made from plastics as derived from fossil fuels or other products such as casein plastic from milk, although even that is an indirect product of fossil fuels as is all modern agriculture.

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    Tony Dique

    Great, but too little, too late. I’m sure everyone has seen the latest poll where the Reform Party picks up over 400 seats. The Tories have no chance of winning at the next election, so whilst this is good opposition, it won’t ever translate into government policy.

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    William

    They need Chris Bowen over there smarmily smirking while he insists renewables are the cheapest form of generations. I suggest we send him there, or to oblivion – anywhere but here, on a one way ticket.

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      yarpos

      Bowen needs to decide if he wants good or he wants cheap.

      In this case its delusional to say “renewables” are cheaper. But , accepting people’s delusions, does it matter how cheap it is if its dysfunctional?

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        Gazzatron

        Bonehead Bowen wants neither good or cheap and ruinables are neither of those things. As you say its dysfunctional, its also non dispatchable, unreliable, expensive, environmentally destructive and short lived.

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      RickWill

      Australia needs Blackout to deliver on his promise before departing for the UK. A sustained blackout of the electricity grid is needed to destroy NetZero. Blackout’s incompetence could be the very thing Australia needs most.

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      The UK has the Malefic Mr. Miliband …

      Auto – with my head in my hands …

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    yarpos

    I watched a video of a police interaction in the UK yesterday. Police knocked on a guys front door asking to see Ring doorbell video. He told them the would have to make a formal written request and there would be a fee in line with existing police procedures.

    The more interesting part was the comments. The Police has lost a lot of community support here but that, I think, is fairly low key and probably a minority view. In the UK itcseems much much worse given their treatment at the hands of the agents of Starmer in recent times. The comments seemed 90% rabid in term of not helping police in any way. Things seem to be at a low point, to say the least.

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      David Maddison

      Australian police are not far behind given their behaviour in Victoriastan during the covid lockups such as patrolling the streets with armoured personnel carriers, arresting pregnant women for social media posts, shooting people with rubber bullets, spraying people with capsicum spray, imposing huge fines for straying beyond the 10km limit or being outside for more than one hour, mindlessly “just following orders” without question or concern for the moral.or legal issues of what they were doing etc.. What’s worse, they actually seemed to enjoy their state-sponsored sadism.

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    David Maddison

    The way things are going, Australia will be the last country fanatically committed to destroying its energy supply, right up until the last petroleum-derived candle🕯 flickering out.

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    Serge Wright

    One gets the impression that the Tories have been dragged kicking and screaming to the policy change, but only because Nigel has lead the charge and created a significant movement of change for a better alternative. Nigel is the real hero here !!!

    Ironically the Tories plan is probably the only way a country can recover from the damage caused by the RE experiment, but I doubt they realise this just yet. And,the drill baby drill approach needs to be combined with an end to all subsidies, including rooftop solar, as well as lifting of all FF energy market restrictions and a change to the wholesale bidding from 5 minute intervals to something > 30 minutes. The way I see a recovery plan working would be to use the royalties from a massive FF production increase, to not just help help power the nation, but to allow the government to subsidise power bills and provide money to build new appropriate grid infrastructure, such as nuclear or coal. Basically you need a big pile of easy money to pay for the fix, combined with cheap energy and that leaves gas, oil and coal and not much else as a solution.

    To achieve the same down here we would need Victoria to reverse their fracking bans and for all states to slash red, green and black tape to get the gas wells ramped up to maximum. At the same time we would need to start up oil exploration and production in the GAB and elsewhere and get the refineries back up and running. One thing we know for certain, Susan Ley couldn’t lead a bingo game at a retirement home, let alone a national energy recovery mission of this scale. We urgently need a Farage or Trump equivalent down here and the cupboard is frustratingly bare.

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      Graeme No.3

      Serge Wright:
      It little means what The Conservatives decide, the UK is heading to a massive financial crisis.
      Who can’t keep borrowing money and spending it; at some time it has to be paid back and the economy will be wrecked.
      The markets are nervous and interest rates are rising.
      Will the IMF help? Neither the USA or Germany, France (or the rest of Europe) can help.

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        Serge Wright

        It’s probably too late, but only because the next federal election in the UK is more than 4 years away and the current ALP government won’t try and change course until the ship has hit the rocks and broken up into a million pieces. Unfortunately, we’re headed on that same journey. Super already moved to cash !!!

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        Once Bitten

        France? Help? They’ll be broke before the UK and maybe only weeks away from financial issues themselves.

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    TdeF

    “Now that Nigel Farage has made it obvious what voters want”

    So much for science!

    There is zero truth to man made CO2 driven global warming. ’emissions’ are a crock.

    CO2 goes straight into the ocean. And 98% of it stays there forever.

    No one has ever proved that the small slow linear increase of atmospheric CO2 is man made. 0.4% a year.

    Half of all atmospheric CO2 goes into the ocean each 5 years. Including the tiny annual 1% from fossil fuels. So fossil fuel CO2 in the air of 2% is in transit. This was proven in 1958 and many times since.

    33% man made CO2 is a lie. Another lie is that additional CO2 causes significant warming. As for CO2 being declared pollution, all life on earth is now legal pollution? So all trees and people and bacteria and whales are now pollution? Even DNA is pollution. And chlorophyll, another long chain hydrocarbon. And hydrated CO2, known as carbohydrate. All deadly banned, taxed pollution?

    The Greens in Australia have expelled one of the founders of the Australian Greens simply for challenging the idea that trans men are women. What part of Green ecology is transgenderism? Or are transgenders really vegetables? When did the Australian Greens become part of International Communism bent on the destruction of Australia and nothing to do with ecology?

    It’s all political science with not a shred of real science. Trees coverage is booming with increased CO2. Even NASA and the CSIRO agree. What’s the point of paying people to grow trees? (Carbon Credits). They grow themselves and CO2 does not go down.

    There has never been any scientific debate. Just endless legislation to ban fossil fuels in Western democracies alone. And cancel nuclear. Leave the coal in the ground. Ban fracking. Ban coal seam gas. It’s world war by Marxist fifth columns led by the nefarious UN and career politicians without scruples. But I repeat myself.

    Only 5% of the world’s people pay carbon taxes. Led by very useful idiots in both political parties where both Labor/Democrats and Tories/Australian Liberals push Carbon taxes, transgenderism, censorship and outlawing free speech. The idea that the UK should not have to import oil and gas is a no brainer. But what about all the coal still in the ground? Never mentioned. They use ‘renewable’ wood pellets from the Unite States. Zero science. So are the politicians waiting for the total collapse of Britain and Australia to stop wrecking the joint.

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      Sambar

      “CO2 goes straight into the ocean. And 98% of it stays there forever.”
      Don’t tell anyone about the 200,000 square kilometres of calcium carbonate as the bedrock under the Nullarbor plan, Enough limestone to make a considerable amount of cement eh. Oh and wiki acknowledges that this was once the bottom of the ocean during a much warmer periods of earths history.

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        TdeF

        Carbon as limestone and marble is in great abundance. The White Cliffs of Dover. The limestone under great cities like Paris and Rheims, mined by the Romans for building and for concrete. Whole cities are made from limestone outcrops like the one under the city of Odessa in Ukraine which has thousands of miles of tunnels. And of course all the coral like the Great Barrier reef which is the size of Germany.

        So for the oceans to move from alkali at 8 through neutral at 7 would require the removal of all these structures, which is why the ocean is a very heavily buffered pH solution which will never be acidic. The trick is to talk about ‘acidification’ not neutralization. As when Elon Musk buys a hamburger he is self bankrupting.

        It’s just another science lie. Like oceans literally boiling at 100F, body temperature as if it was 100C. But the press says nothing.

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      TdeF

      A simple argument.

      Fact 1. 98% of all CO2 is in the oceans which cover the planet. The amount of total CO2 in the air is tiny, 2%.

      Fact 2. The time a single CO2 molecule spends in the atmosphere is less than 5 years. Table 1 in this paper gives 36 views on ‘Residence time of any CO2’.

      Fact 3. Fossil fuel CO2 adds a tiny 1% to atmospheric CO2 each year. So CO2 evaporation/CO2 emissions from the ocean are 20x fossil fuel.

      So why would fossil fuel CO2 stay in the air? It is chemically identical to ocean CO2.

      There is just no science to man made CO2 levels, Nett Zero, carbon credits. But given the 20 trillion a year failing to stop atmospheric CO2 levels from growing, where has all the money gone?

      Why are politicians measuring ’emissions’ and not total CO2, the alleged problem? CO2 in the atmosphere is completely unaffected by any human activity (ignore the usual commentary). A dead straight line for the last 50 years.

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        TdeF

        And does anyone estimate the financial benefit for the UK or Australia? Chris Bowen says wind and solar will make us rich. How? Where’s the plan?

        Or is it all just morally good posturing with no possibility of changing CO2 given that 95% of people on the planet do nothing about their CO2 ’emissions’?

        Why are none of these projects costed and justified before they commence? Like Australia’s Snowy II which started at $2.5Billion and two years and is heading for $25Billion and 20 years? Where’s the cost benefit for Australians? Or is it a moral question with our money?

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    Neville

    Last night Peta Credlin covered a fair amount of territory trying to encourage the Coalition to wake up to their net zero lunacy.
    The B O Bowen loony has been a disaster, and we need a strong opposition to take on Labor and provide a credible alternative ASAP.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jpe8Xg9wVg

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      David Maddison

      The first thing the Liberals need to do is get rid of Sussssan Ley and replace her with a conservative. Ley is a member of the far Left woke so-called “moderate” faction of the Party and apart from that is utterly clueless

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    winston

    Isn’t this the same party who promised to fix the migrant crisis? Isn’t it the same one who offered to open up fracking? Given Kemi Bandersnatch’s past record with migrants, crime, industry, the economy, and closet remainer, I can’t think of a reason that they won’t be believed this time around.

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    Neville

    Here again is the WSJ’s Kim Strassel talking with US Energy Secretary Chris Wright about changing the EPA’s endangerment finding and certainly the data easily proves it should be changed.
    Wright is very optimistic about the future if they can clean up the extremist’s mess and always follow the data and not their usual BS and nonsense.
    Imagine if Aussies had an Energy Secretary who was as intelligent and reasonable as Chris Wright.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r–BO8VXgnU&t=787s

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    TdeF

    And who said Nett Zero was a good idea? Morrison signed up to it without asking anyone. Albanese is punishing all Australians without any benefit to Australians. The Australian government, like the British government, is out of control. Not any form of sensible government. What reward do they get? We citizens get robbed and our money goes all over the world, especially China, without anyone agreeing to anything like this. It’s politicians private business. We voters are too dumb to understand it is our job to pay, not to say what is done. Nor for any politician to even begin to justify the insanity.

    The Science is in. 97% of scientists agree. We have signed a non binding but utterly binding UN agreement. We have been rail roaded.

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      Dennis

      I do not support net zero emissions politics, I do know that Prime Minister Morrison signed nothing at the Glasgow COP 2021 and made it clear Australia would have an aspirational goal only, subject to new technology (like nuclear power stations?), and without damaging the Australian economy.

      Go back to Kyoto COP Japan 1997 and Prime Minister Howard, his Coalition Government also promised to protect the economy from damage via emissions reduction targets.

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      Dennis

      I do not support net zero emissions politics, I do know that Prime Minister Morrison signed nothing at the Glasgow COP 2021 and made it clear Australia would have an aspirational goal only, subject to new technology (like nuclear power stations?), and without damaging the Australian economy.

      Go back to Kyoto COP Japan 1997 and Prime Minister Howard, his Coalition Government also promised to protect the economy from damage via emissions reduction targets.

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      KP

      ” We voters are too dumb to understand it is our job to pay, not to say what is done. Nor for any politician to even begin to justify the insanity.A”

      Democracy.. A dictatorship for a term, the opposition can whine and complain but there is nothing they can do about anything.

      Not a good form of Govt at all, the evidence is plain all around the world. At least with a king or a dictator you only have to make one person fabulously rich at a time!

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        TdeF

        All Democracies are under attack from outside and inside, with the long march through the institutions by lifelong communists like Albanese, Andrews, Wong, Carr, Bandt and many more who do not hide that they get their instructions from the Chinese Communist Party, who are in turn blameless for the millions of deaths and devastation from the Wuhan Virus created by the Chinese Communist Army in their military virus laboratory. The ongoing attacks by Islamists paid by Iran and by friends of the CCP is incredibly open and obvious. And they have bought off political leaders in every party, especially Labor and the Greens. Andrews, Carr. Albanese is not at the big party, not after six recent trips to pay homage.

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          Len

          The Trade Unions donate a fair amount of funds to the Greens. So it is sensible to understand the Greens are bought by the Communist Unions. The Labor Left are communists as well is the whole of the Greens. Trevor Loudon mentions this in his book “Comrade Prime Minister.”

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    Dennis

    Fossil Fuels

    It’s The Economy Stupid.

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    Graham

    NET ZERO??🔥🔥🤪🤪
    If you want Net Zero carbon emissions
    try Net Zero migration / population growth.
    People cause pollution. 😱
    You can’t reduce Australia’s carbon footprint if Labor keeps increasing the population levels.
    Labor’s Mass migration policy transferring voters and their carbon footprint just to stay in power. 👹🔥

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    Every school child knows that it is possible to use a convex lens to so concentrate the intensity of a beam of sunlight, such that at the focus of the lens the pin-point image of the sun deposits enough heat on to the surface of a piece of paper to start a fire. What is perhaps less well known is the converse effect. By using instead, a concave lens the intensity of sunlight is diluted so much that the heating power of a narrow solar beam passing into a dark void cannot warm the internal surface of the cavity.

    By claiming that sunlight falling on to the Earth’s globe must first be diluted by a factor of four, Climate Science is applying a fictitious concave lens to the whole planet. This unwarranted and absurd concept has generated a distortion of science, mathematics, and logic so profound that it threatens to destroy the very fabric of human society.

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    So after years of being told that Nut Zero is the longest suicide note in history and insane as government policy … and after attacking those saying that it was insane and then pressing the accelerator pedal as hard as they could … they no claim, having taken the economy into the brick wall of Nut Zero that they’ve “learnt their lesson honestly hic … hic … pass me the booze I’m going to another party”.

    NEVER AGAIN SHOULD THEY BE ALLOWED ANYWHERE NEAR POWER.

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      Once Bitten

      I’m with you Mike. The Covid response in Australia was cowardly. The Net Zero fanaticism remains timidly compliant to the Left. The Liberals haven’t been conservative for 30 years. And the latest Dan Andrews and Bob Carr performance in the CCP makes me think the Left is highly confident that it has Australia under its thumb. The Libs are just a wing of the Labor party. Nats should have extricated themselves years ago and now thanks to the Libs voting with Labor, the campaign finance laws almost assure a 2 party future system. Labor has a free ticket to make almost whatever changes it wants.

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    Neville

    Here’s a report by an insurance group trying to understand Labor’s true cost of net ZERO. Here’s the first few paragraphs and the link , Does anyone have any idea of the true cost of this ongoing toxic, unreliable mess?

    The $9 trillion solution to our 1% problem – Australia’s Net Zero Cost – CRE Insurance Broking

    “The latest report from Net Zero Australia (University of Melbourne, the University of Queensland, Princeton University and management consultancies Nous and Evolved Energy) puts the cost at $1.5 trillion by the end of the decade, with the need for $7 trillion to $9 trillion of capital by 2060 to meet Australia’s aspiration of net zero by 2050”.

    “According to the group’s study – conducted by interdisciplinary teams from the University of Melbourne, the University of Queensland, Princeton University and management consultancies Nous and Evolved Energy – achieving net zero will require growing renewables as our main domestic and export energy source to 40 times current national electricity market capacity”.

    “The report concedes that investment is much higher in the net-zero transition than continuing to use fossil fuels”.

    “Batteries, pumped hydro and gas-fired firming are the preferred stabilisers, with development of a large carbon capture, use and storage industry being considered vital, as well as greatly expanded energy transmission and distribution networks”.

    “These distribution networks are the current thorn in the paw for governments. They are realising that to rewire the nations 28,000km of transmission lines to carry intermittent energy generated at constantly variable frequencies by renewables from unpopulated areas to urban need is highly constrained”.

    “There are simply not enough contractors to do the work at any where near the pace required”.

    “Further, landholders are fighting tooth and nail against having massive pylons crisscrossed over their properties”.

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