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    Analitik

    COVID-19 mortality risk correlates inversely with vitamin D3 status, and a mortality rate close to zero could theoretically be achieved at 50 ng/ml 25(OH)D3

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.22.21263977v1.full.pdf

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      Analitik

      BTW, Australian guidelines for Vitamin D are purely for skeletal health with the recommended level of 50 nmol/L which corresponds to only 20 ng/ml

      https://www.nps.org.au/news/vitamin-d-supplementation

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        John+in+NZ

        Vitamin D supplementation is probably as effective as vaccination but don’t expect to hear that on the TV News.

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          Tel

          What do you mean by “effective” ?

          Everyone has a different definition right now.

          Vitamin D has shown no sign of preventing the spread of infection, which is what the vaccines are being promoted as doing. On the other hand Vitamin D might keep you out of the graveyard if that’s your objective.

          Personally, I’m somewhat skeptical as to whether anything stops the spread of infection, other than perhaps Ivermectin, which has only been demonstrated successfully in India, Indonesia and Bangladesh and even in those places it only slows the spread, doesn’t bring it to a complete stop.

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        Hanrahan

        That 50 nmol/l was the level that prevented rickets. Conservatism and inertia has meant only outlaws have recommended higher levels.

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      R.B.

      It’s pretty obvious that vaccines will not reduce your chances of dying to close to zero. Maybe only halving the death rate. The push for vaccinations seems to be a?$e covering for a dire need to open up. But they ignore these studies that show that repurposed drugs, in conjunction with vaccines, could do a better job. Just the ones that are as safe, or safer, than paracetamol.

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      OldOzzie

      It is a question I have asked of Gladys and Dr Kerry Chant NSW CHO

      “What are the Vitamin D Levels of Covid Patients admitted to Hospital in NSW”

      Have never received an answer.

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        Ian

        Perhaps they have not been measured.so there is no answer regarding levels

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          Disco Stu

          Why not? Vitamin D levels are an indicator of immune health. Rather an important facet of the conversation wouldn’t you think?

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            Ian

            Doesn’t matter what I think it is what Gladys and Kerry think that matters.

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              Bozotheclown

              Oh wait, so you can’t find fault with something you read on a sceptical right wing conspiracy blog?

              Is there hope?

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                Ian

                “Oh wait, so you can’t find fault with something you read on a sceptical right wing conspiracy blog?

                Is there hope?”

                As I don’t havre the same level of prejudice and bias that most who comment on a “sceptical right wing conspiracy blog”, as you choose call it, seem to have, I often don’t find fault.

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                Bozotheclown

                So I can add “prejudice(d) and bias(ed)” to how you view of most of us. Thanks for the additional clarity. “often don’t find fault” Nice! You’d be much more popular if you’d just say that more often.

                Now did you answer my question? Of course you didn’t. People with your kind of prejudice and bias never do.

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                Ian

                “So I can add “prejudice(d) and bias(ed)” to how you view of most of us. Thanks for the additional clarity. “often don’t find fault” Nice! You’d be much more popular if you’d just say that more often.”

                I do not want or need to be popular here.

                “Now did you answer my question? Of course you didn’t. People with your kind of prejudice and bias never do.”

                I mistakenly thought you would accept my response “I often don’t find fault” as answering your question.

                As for answering your question “is there hope” as I can’t read your mind I have no idea what it is you are hoping for which precludes an answer.

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                Ian

                my response i snot shown

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                Ian

                System won’t let me reply

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                Strop

                my response i snot shown

                That’s easy for you to say.
                And seemingly more accurate than what you intended.

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              Wet Mountains

              “As I don’t have the same level of prejudice and bias that most who comment…”
              Ian, like most readers/commentors with your prospective (as I interpret your written words), your self-aggrandizing virtue is telling. You speak to an audience of which you have no personal knowledge of their background, education, understanding or wisdom, and talk down to them. While you are clearly educated, and could describe a battlefield, I wonder if you could describe the smell.

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          Ronin

          Or they don’t know and don’t care.

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        OldOzzie

        From No 17 below – Nurses/Healthcare workers blow the whistle on damage caused by COVID-19 vaccination

        https://t.me/s/NursesSpeakOut

        Hi Team,

        I was a RN in a large city hospital in Victoria.

        Employed April 2020 to work in a Covid isolation facility. Arrived from overseas March 2020. Nursing for past 30 years.

        Started to ask questions re: treatment of covid positive patients can they have Vitamin c and d
        – told no.

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      RossP

      Added to that Analitik is the fact that under the new CDC definition for a vaccine VitD3 can be classed as a vaccine !!! Will the TGA follow the CDC?

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      Ian1946

      My last blood test showed my level was at 80 Nmol/L so I hope you are correct about D3 levels being crucial to recovering from the Peking Pox. I have not had flu or a bad cold since my GP discovered my D3 levels were very low. I take 1000IU every day and walk on the beach for around 40 minutes just after sunrise most days. I am in Bayside SEQ.

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        PeterS

        Same here. Ever since my doctor said my levels were too low a couple of years ago I’ve taken supplements ever since. Even he does it. No cold ever since and I used to get them every year but that’s doesn’t mean I will never get them. Time will tell. I do believe though it helps. I also started to take other supplements, in particular Zinc and VitC supplements.

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        Hanrahan

        Ian, my readings were nearly twice that, all naturally acquired as a retired Gentleman with a Mediterranean complexion in the garden. I refuse to accept that my body could poison itself by synthesising too much of this hormone.

        PeterS, my lady and I have maintained high levels for years and the cold/flu season doesn’t exist for us. Her office organised flu injections, she needed to find some files in the morgue.

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      G’day A,
      Thanks for that. This is a 65 minute video from 2016, a presentation by Dr Holick extolling the virtues of Vitamin D, and exploring questions of it’s safety limits. I’m basing my intake (10,000 IU per day) and my blood level target (80 ng/ml) largely on his views.
      My target of 80 ng/ml is an increase from my earlier reports (60 ng/ml), and I’m still on quercetin and zinc.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuWC2d0mTbo&t=777s

      Cheers
      Dave B

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        Vicki

        Wow – you guys are certainly taking good doses. I am taking all of these, but at lower doses because of concerns re toxicity. But it probably is not an issue.

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          Bozotheclown

          No Vicki, toxicity is a concern with too much of several vitamins including Vit D. The above comments were with testing by their doctor.

          Be cautious and seek advice from your own doctor. Blogs aren’t the place to seek medical treatment or advice other than to be more informed when you speak with your Dr.

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          David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

          G’day Vicki,
          Dr Holick discusses toxicity and towards the end of the video above he tells a story about a lawyer who sued him after getting an adverse reaction. Fascinating.
          And no, Bozo, the most my local doc is doing is to authorise a blood test and tell me vitamin D isn’t going to help.
          Cheers
          Dave B

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            Bozotheclown

            But with that Dr given blood test you know that you aren’t at a toxic level (whether the Doc advises or not) Clearly you have the sense and information to know. Not everyone does and without guidance could get into trouble. The guidance must not come from here!

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          Hanrahan

          Vicki, If Yanks haven’t found a way to kill themselves with a product, it is safe. More have killed themselves with hand sanitiser than IVM.

          I did a quick search found:

          In a paper titled: A Nontoxic Case of Vitamin D Toxicity

          The total 25 OH vitamin
          D level, as measured via liquid chromatography–tandem
          mass spectrometry (LC-MS/MS), was 428 ng/mL;

          That is crazy high.

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      M Allinson

      “Get off that sun-drenched, wind-swept beach now and back indoors, or you’ll catch some vitamin D – this sort of activity will play havoc with our “case numbers” and we’ll have no reason to monster you.”

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      William Astley

      Vit D stops covid and stops the common cancers (breast and prostate…. And they have discovered the gene in the prostate which Vit D turns on. The gene which Vit D turns on in the prostate, is known to stop inflammation. It also reversed prostate cancer and stopped breast cancer from ocuring.) and the chronic diseases like type 2 diabetes, effecting 1 in 10 Americans. Correcting the general population’s deficiency should be easy and fun. Start with telling the population about the problem.

      This should be criminal negligence causing death, suffering, and pointless expensive ‘treatments’.

      From the paper:

      Over the last decades, knowledge regarding the mechanisms through which vitamin D3 affects human health has improved dramatically.

      It was discovered that the vitamin D3 receptor (VDR) and the vitamin D3 activating enzyme 1-α-hydroxylase (CYP27B1) are expressed in many cell types that are not involved in bone and mineral metabolism, such as the intestine, pancreas, and prostate as well as cells of the immune system [31–35]. This finding demonstrates the important, much wider impact of vitamin D3 on human health than previously understood [36,37]. Vitamin D turned out to be a powerful epigenetic regulator, influencing more than 2500 genes [38] and impacting dozens of our most serious health challenges [39], including cancer [40,41], diabetes mellitus [42], acute respiratory tract infections [43], chronic inflammatory diseases [44] and autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis [45].

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      David Maddison

      Let’s keep everyone locked inside to make everyone’s D go as low as possible.

      And don’t forget to discourage meat consumption to reduce zinc levels and don’t mention supplementation.

      Note that the very high initial mortality rate in India was likely because of a surprising low D level (because you’d think as a mostly tropical country they’d have good levels).

      I’d be interested in their Zn levels as well because of their vegan diets.

      Paper on Vit D deficiency in Indians:
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6060930/

      Paper on Zn deficiency and covid:
      https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S120197122030730X

      The glories of socialism can never be achieved while people are free or uncontrolled.

      All HCQ and Ivermectin protocols require Zn and D among other micronutrient supplements.

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        William Astley

        David,
        The Left is so busy pushing lies and stopping/blocking truth… They have zero time to look behind the curtains. The problem is the Left/CCP have taken over all of the media outlets and have the support of the corrupt Medical Industry. The people voting for Left wing governments are clueless about the Medical Industry lies.

        I totally agree. Great link on Zinc deficiency. P.S. The reason why the general population is deficient in zinc and magnesium is roughly half of the minerals in the soils where we grow our foods has been lost to the ocean. This is true for every country in the world because there is limited land for agriculture. The plants absorb the minerals. We eat the plants and our body waste is flushed down the toilet. Overtime every where in the world that has caused the mineral deficiencies.

        The general population’s Zinc and Vit D deficiency is a simpler ‘problem’ than climate.

        Zinc… take 17mg/day (same as found in multi vitamins. Vit D take 5000 IU/day (Adults). A daily Vit D supplement of 5000 IU/day times is 8 times, greater than the amount of Vit D in a multi vitamin, (700 IU). The Lying Medical industry recommends a maximum daily Vit D supplement of 1000 IU/day as 1000 IU/day, is sufficiently low, to enable all the Vit D deficient people, to get complex life long organ damage, complex failure of muscle/tendon/system which requires Vit D to build and maintain the muscles/tendons (this is the reason for balance problems and shaky old people) and brain damage (About 3 years ago a system in the brain was discovered which it is believed repairs and maintains the brain. This explains why some old people have lost 80% of the brain cells and others have only lost 20% of their brain cells.). 5000 IU/day is too low for large people.

        The Medical Industry has genetically modified mice, removing the gene that is responsible for producing Vit D. This is done to produce an animal that has no immune response to enable experiments genetic modification which are not stopped by the animals immune system. The mammal immune response requires Vit D to produce biochemicals and to enable the cell to take action. If blood stream activated Vit D is low, the immune system and the other body systems, do not work correctly.

        The genetically modify mice that cannot produce Vit D… …. loose all of their hair, die prematurely, have balance problems and are a little shaky, and shrink in length (same as old people) … which produces wrinkly skin on the mice. Odd this is exactly what happens to our elderly. Odd the mice researchers and Medical Industry did not figure out the puzzle. People age differently depending on how Vit D deficient they are.

        And it is worse. Our bodies cannot absorb the minerals because we are so Vit D deficient. Our cells need the Vit D to get the blue prints (access a copy of our DNA which is found in every cell) which enables our body to produce a complex set of biochemicals. 2500 genes are known to be activated by Vit D. Vit D is used by the cell once and then it is destroyed

        https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150323142839.htm

        Zinc deficiency linked to immune system response, particularly in older adults

        Zinc, an important mineral in human health, appears to affect how the immune system responds to stimulation, especially inflammation, new research shows. Zinc deficiency could play a role in chronic diseases such as cardiovascular disease, cancer and diabetes that involve inflammation. Such diseases often show up in older adults, who are more at risk for zinc deficiency.

        Zinc, an important mineral in human health, appears to affect how the immune system responds to stimulation, especially inflammation, new research from Oregon State University shows.
        Zinc deficiency could play a role in chronic diseases such as cardiovascular disease, cancer and diabetes that involve inflammation. Such diseases often show up in older adults, who are more at risk for zinc deficiency.
        “When you take away zinc, the cells that control inflammation appear to activate and respond differently; this causes the cells to promote more inflammation,” said Emily Ho, a professor and director of the Moore Family Center for Whole Grain Foods, Nutrition and Preventive Health in the OSU College of Public Health and Human Sciences, and lead author of the study.

        Zinc is an essential micronutrient required for many biological processes, including growth and development, neurological function and immunity. It is naturally found in protein-rich foods such as meat and shellfish, with oysters among the highest in zinc content.

        Approximately 12 percent of people in the U.S. do not consume enough zinc in their diets. Of those 65 and older, closer to 40 percent do not consume enough zinc, Ho said. Older adults tend to eat fewer zinc-rich foods and their bodies do not appear to use or absorb zinc as well, making them highly susceptible to zinc deficiency. “It’s a double-whammy for older individuals,” said Ho, who also is a principal investigator with the Linus Pauling Institute.

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      Hanrahan

      I have a long history of buying antihistamines at the chemists so changing from telfast to polaramine should raise no eyebrows, same with changing from indocid to colgout.

      So when covid reaches my community I will already have high Vit D levels, been taking quercetin and will have enough to double the dose when needed, been on Zn tabs, curcumin and Co Q10. That gives me a near full quiver of arrows so I believe I should do OK in spite of my age. I don’t believe age is a single line comorbidity anyway, just a factor in having other problems of deterioration.

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      Bruce

      Or, folks could flee their caves and frolic in the outdoors. Sunlight: Absorb it if ya’ got it! Try to avoid being arrested / sprayed / rubber-bulleted, etc., in the process.

      Funny what happens when you expose your hide to a bit of UV light (don’t overdo it).

      The skin is not just a funny-shaped bag keeping various bits in place, but a chemically functional piece of kit; think of it as the biggest organ of the body.

      See also: The Joy of Hormesis.

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    Strop

    Significant Geothermal Heat Beneath the Thwaites Glacier in West Antarctica

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-021-00242-3

    Abstract:
    Geothermal heat flow in the polar regions plays a crucial role in understanding ice-sheet dynamics and predictions of sea level rise. Continental-scale indirect estimates often have a low spatial resolution and yield largest discrepancies in West Antarctica. Here we analyse geophysical data to estimate geothermal heat flow in the Amundsen Sea Sector of West Antarctica. With Curie depth analysis based on a new magnetic anomaly grid compilation, we reveal variations in lithospheric thermal gradients. We show that the rapidly retreating Thwaites and Pope glaciers in particular are underlain by areas of largely elevated geothermal heat flow, which relates to the tectonic and magmatic history of the West Antarctic Rift System in this region. Our results imply that the behavior of this vulnerable sector of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is strongly coupled to the dynamics of the underlying lithosphere.

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      GlenM

      Poppycock! We know its man-made CO2 and if we keep on polluting our atmosphere the temperatures will go up and bushfires will get hotter and the rain that falls won’t be enough to fill the dams and Kilamanjaro will have no snow and…

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      Bruce

      Do you reckon that this might somehow be connected to the Antarctic volcanoes?

      And the incredible abundance of sea-life in places around the “coast” (including under the ice shelves).

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    Environment Sceptic

    James Couey Phd recent talk focusing on the illusive S protein and the recent talk by Trevor Bedford
    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1159285424

    Some interesting comments in the comments section here in the talk by Trevor Bedford.
    From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VErVD_H1BZ0
    VIDD Seminar at Fred Hutch on “SARS-CoV-2 evolutionary dynamics” recorded Sep 14, 2021
    3,829 views
    Sep 21, 2021

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      Environment Sceptic

      And on top of all that evolutionary biology by Trevor Bedford…., something that has been on the ‘we need to find out more about this‘ menu for a considerable length of time has been the subject of intravenous transfections covered here by Dr John Campbell quite scathingly which is refreshing.

      How can i put this as politely as possible?

      Good to hear the alarm being raised again this time by Dr j Campbell, goodness knows the warnings have been out there for some time that i know of. James Couey, was onto this ages ago and many others.

      From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBaIRm4610o

      “Inadvertant intravenous injections
      “191,015 views
      “Sep 27, 2021

      “Dr. John Campbell
      “1.14M subscribers
      “Intravenous Injection of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) mRNA Vaccine Can Induce Acute Myopericarditis in Mouse Model

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    Rowjay

    Current international thermal coal spot price is US$180.00/tonne, up from US$50.00/tonne a year ago – an increase of ~240%. You don’t hear this good economic news for Australia on “our ABC”.

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      RickWill

      It is in Australia’s interest to keep pushing the illusion that random energy generators are sustainable. The drive for the developed world to install these insanely resource hungry monuments to to the climate gods has underpinned the greatest resource boom in Australia’s history.

      As long as the world demands random energy generators and Australia can keep supplying the iron ore, coal and other commodities they consume then most Australians can just sit back and live off government hand-outs. Australia has never been in better economic circumstances:
      https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/current-account

      Hopefully the illusion of sustainability continues for a long time.

      For all the developed countries to achieve net zero, they will hand over enormous wealth to China and Australia can ride that wave until China decides to come and take the resources they need.

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      Every time and I mean every single time someone writes, “you wont see this on the ABC”, it is untrue. In the last few months there are actually hundreds of mentions (some up some down btw). Here is one for free

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-24/metallurgical-coking-coal-record-mining-steel-resources-jobs/100486198

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        Ian

        You ain’t gonna penetrate the wall of prejudice that right wing Australians have about the ABC. If, as I do, you read the Australian you will have noted it hoes into the ABC every other day much to the delight of the rabid right wing commenters who infest the comment columns of that once estimable newspaper which, sadly, now does exactly what Uncle Rupert. commands.

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          If you venture onto left wing (and I mean avowed LW) media/blogs/twitter, they are disowning the new right wing ABC and noting how the government has gone silent on the “bias”, supposedly because it now actually has one.

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            RobB

            There’s not a whole of difference between far left and far right. In their quest for utopia, they both end up being totalitarian dictatorships hell bent on genocide.

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            Ian

            I can’t be bothered with Twitter and similar social media but I do read the Guardian and hadn’t noticed it. In replying to your post I looked up “Is Australia’s ABC too right wing” Very few answers on too right wing lots on too left wing. Surprisingly the egregious Chris Kenny who i loathe with a passion said “to their credit, the program this year “is trying to be a bit fairer” but is “still outnumbered of course” in terms of the political affiliation of guests on the show.

            Mr Kenny said the program has “something like two panelists in a rotation of about 20 who might come on occasionally” and represent “the views of the mainstream”.

            He believes the mainstream is right wing, the pompous prat when in reality the “mainstream” is more or less evenly divided between the two major parties

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              el+gordo

              A polarity has evolved because the ABC moved from the centre. Obviously the only way to rectify the problem is a return to its natural state, being taxpayer funded.

              If the Murdoch stable moved to the left, intellectual discussion would be muted. Then the ordinary folk would have to read between the lines to guess what is really happening in the world. Very little difference between us and our biggest trading partner.

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            robert rosicka

            Gee Aye says “the new right wing ABC” , I say what are you on ?

            As for you won’t hear this on the ABC , when was the last time you heard an ABC journalist say that the 97% consensus of climate scientists was a lie ?

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          Bozotheclown

          Left wing acolytes have a very hard time finding “center” don’t you both think?

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          Strop

          Ian. Thinking that the ABC is biased to the left isn’t prejudice. It’s just observation.

          Assuming that a program on the ABC will have a left angle is prejudice ….. but usually correct. 🙂

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        Rowjay

        Hello Gee Aye – I watch the ABC news most nights – when was the last time the spot price for THERMAL or COKING coal was reported along with iron ore during the commodity and stock market summary? I can’t recall because it happened maybe once or twice during the last year. We are talking about Australia’s 2nd highest export earner – the quiet achiever and maybe that is for the best. Someone obviously wants thermal coal to keep the lights on.

        On another note, I hear that the EU is posturing to add tarrifs on imports from climate change recalcitrant countries – does that include natural gas from Russia?

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      Hanrahan

      So those coal ships the Chinese refuse to unload can up anchor and get a better price elsewhere.

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      Hanrahan

      Here’s an excellent discussion on the topic:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03bCDEwLCTk

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    TdeF

    A huge scandal. So called ‘conspiracy theorists’ were spot on and endlessly slandered. Qualified people were cowed into submission.

    The Wuhan Flu scandal deepens as reported by “Sharri Markson” in the Australian today. A huge cover up of the laboratory made virus now called COVID 19. Of course that’s what the Murdoch press would say.

    And it involves Lancet, Fauci and “EcoHealth Alliance president Peter Daszak, above right, with the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s Shi Zhengli, centre, and CSIRO’s Linfa Wang, second from right, circa 2005 and taken from a now deleted page on the Wuhan institute’s website.” This goes back a very long time.

    Unbelievably Peter Daszak managed to get on the WHO team investigating himself. And organized the official protest letter published by Lancet calling out conspiracy theorists.

    In fact his major defence was offence, to smear everyone suggesting a man made virus as a ‘conspiracy theorist’. It gives conspiracy theorists real standing as exposing this deliberate spreading of a military weapon with cover by those who conspired to create it and fund it, many Americans. Conspiracy was Daszak’s favorite word. And it is true, except his was the conspiracy.

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      PeterS

      It all started way back when Trump was in office and exclaimed “China! in response to the virus. He was spot on yet he was ridiculed from day 1 even by many so called conservatives. Yet he was correct! This is just another example of the virus being used as a misdirection by a lot of people, including our political leaders and the MSM. Not to worry, it will all be revealed eventually to all. Most won’t like what they will see.

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        Bozotheclown

        He was spot on yet he was ridiculed from day 1 even by many so called conservatives. Yet he was correct!

        Even by our own Tilda Tilda.

        Will it be revealed eventually? Ask Tilda.

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        Vicki

        Way back then – I really couldn’t understand why the connection between the virus outbreak and the Wuhan Virology lab wasn’t obvious, rather than the supposed “wet market” theory.

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          TdeF

          Yes, of all the cities in China in which a bat virus would start, who would pick the one big city out of 200 which contained the viral weapons laboratory for the Chinese army? Especially when the Horseshoe bat population is 1,000km away.

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      Kneel

      It’s worse than that.
      He (Daszak) also asked (US) DoD to fund gain of function and spreading it to bats in caves using an aerosolised “vaccine” so that they would get immune and not be able to carry human transmissible CV’s. They asked DoD because it would bypass the NIH/NIAID bans on GoF research.
      DoD said “Bad idea – very dangerous. Not funding that.”
      So NIH/NIAID later removed the ban on GoF.
      In a sane world, Fauci & Daszak would be in a lot of trouble, but they continue to “fail up” the ladder – at least while the Demetiacrats remain in charge, and while the chief Dementiacrat continues to snooze in the Whitehouse.

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        Vicki

        Interesting also that Sharri Markson also released information a few months ago regarding our own CSIRO involvement in bat virus research & Chinese researchers. That article was seriously contested by the head of CSIRO & no further mention was made of it by The Oz,to my knowledge.

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          TdeF

          Yes, clearly another case of conspiracy theorists making things up to smear the CSIRO.

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            Sceptical+Sam

            Yep, April last year. The CSIRO has been in it up to its neck it would seem. But it’s been shut down – just like the lefties shut down the discussion on the Wuhan lab leak as a conspiracy of the right.

            Two Chinese scientists who worked for the Wuhan Institute of Virology studied bats in a CSIRO facility as part of researched funded by both the Australian and Chinese governments.

            Intelligence agencies from the ‘Five Eyes’ network comprising of Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the UK and the US are examining the work of two staffers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China, according to the Daily Telegraph.

            However, when questioned about the allegations by ABC Radio National, Trade Minister Simon Birmingham denied knowing of any such investigation.

            ‘I don’t and the government does not comment on national security or intelligence matters, that is a long standing practice. I am not aware of any investigation and I wouldn’t comment on them even if I were,’ Senator Birmingham said.

            https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8261201/Australia-funded-Chinese-scientists-research-bats.html

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            Len

            The term conspiracy theory was coined by the CIA when their activities were being exposed. They would respond by saying it is a conspiracy theory.

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            Kneel

            It’s not a theory when it’s true.

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          Ian

          There’s another article by Ms Markson in today’s Australian which in essence is a publicity stunt for her new book.

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            GlenM

            Then again you can get your debunking fix on Sharri Markson at your ABC. Your mob is so protective of the national broadcaster – the organisation that gets almost everything wrong because they are a bunch of green/communist ideologues and lack any objectivity. So the ABC has a jealousy about real journalism as espoused by the likes of Markson. In short she shows up and embarrasses the ABC. But your pathetic mind lacks any comprehension on most matters.

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    PeterS

    This says it all with gender fluidity.

    When Dialectic is Rhetoric

    Bada boom! I can imagine the heads of some progressives exploding on that one as their puny brains fail to compute.

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    Neville

    Still trying to state the obvious over at WUWT. A good article from Cliff Mass, but why not extend it by stating the obvious?

    I’m amazed that no obvious mention is made of the Lancet graphs for some countries.
    You’ll notice that MODERATE COLD kills more people than SEVERE COLD+ SEVERE HEAT + MODERATE HEAT COMBINED.
    No contest and yet we still have L W loonies yapping about the so called dangers of global warming.
    This is the safest time to be alive and an incredible increase in Human health and wealth over last 200 years or 100 years or 50 years or 10 years. Look it up or watch Dr Rosling’s 200 countries BBC video 1810 – 2010.
    And Matt Ridley also checked out the data over the last decade and the improvement continues, although CV-19 is a pain in the a-se for now. Certainly deaths from extreme weather events have fallen by at least 95% over the last 100 years. See Goklany, Christy, Eshenbach, Pielke jr etc.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/09/27/heat-wave-versus-cold-wave-deaths-in-the-u-s-and-the-pacific-northwest/

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    David Maddison

    Two outstanding videos from Australia. Please watch before YouTube deletes them.

    ***TRIGGER WARNING FOR LEFTISTS, THESE VIDEOS SUPPORT FREE SPEECH, FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY AND FREEDOM IN GENERAL AND ARE AGAINST UNPROVOKED POLICE VIOLENCE***

    It’s truly frightening what Australia has become.

    Even Biden’s America living in a blue state would be better than this as American friends have told me.

    1) This is EXCELLENT.

    “Scott Morrison’s Calls For FREEDOM at 2021 U.N. General Assembly”

    https://youtu.be/AoIPToh-i3k

    2) Also this.  Definitely deserves more than 1.5K views in one week. 

    “The Police Keep You Safe & other fairy tails”

    https://youtu.be/X40ROeRScmg

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      PeterS

      I call into question some of the dressed up as police are actually the police and not some unofficial people hired by the state governments. I really find it hard to believe that ordinary police officers or even the riot police would stoop to such obvious thuggery in public view for all to see. If they are the real police then we have an even more serious problem.

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        David Maddison

        It’s possible Andrews employed criminal or psychopathic thugs dressed as police but they are probably real police.

        Don’t forget Andrews employed an extra 3000 police, presumably because it’s illegal under the federal constitution for him to raise his own army. I would say the recruiting standards were altered for this cohort of new recruits to look for those of a more violent and psychopathic disposition and who didn’t mind conducting violence against women and non-violent people peacefully protesting.

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        yarpos

        Police have at least the normal %s of psychos and thugs as the rest of the community. Roll that up with a bit of authority and a them (the public) and us mentality and its easy for some to go over the edge.

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          GlenM

          I was arrested for hitchhiking in QLD in 1975 and kept in a cell for 4 days without a phone call and no access to a legal representative. Beaten by 4 thugs in the cell for mouthing off and being from NSW. Sometimes you get those types and it’s no TV cop show. There are some really good police in my view but not many and there are a few I would like to see out of uniform and alone. A uniform can do wonders.

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        robert rosicka

        PeterS the riot police were filmed perpetrating some of the worst beatings during the protests , mind you the scale of the thuggery by ordinary uniformed officers is also alarming .

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      PeterS

      Interesting to note that some overseas commentators are calling upon the world to place sanctions on Australia for such displays of draconian and thuggish behaviour on innocent men and women on the streets. We rarely see this sort of action even in Hong Kong. In Poland a similar incident occurred on a sporting field when a player was maltreated by the police. Fortunately for him the crowd came down to defend him and bashed the police who had to scurry away. I don’t normally condone such violent behaviour on the police but when innocent people are being attacked by the police one has to question is it not proper to defend the victim and attack the police? If the answer is no it would not be proper then that would mean the police are free to rape women in the street in public view without any restriction. The line has to be drawn somewhere, and as far as I can tell the line has already been crossed by some in the police force. The videos prove it. Shame on the state premiers for not acting to put a stop to all this.

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        David Maddison

        What’s even worse is the lamestream media and the Opposition remain silent about it. And also Morrison.

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          PeterS

          And the union leaders. It’s clear now they are all in fact in it together after all! Are we being prepared for a military takeover or something because there is something big going to happen – much bigger even than the virus and climate change? It just doesn’t all add up. I smell a rat.

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            Kneel

            “Are we being prepared for a military takeover or something because there is something big going to happen – much bigger even than the virus and climate change?”

            Yes – a “social credit” system.
            Starts with QR “checkins”, morphs to “Vaccine passport”, thence onwards to the glorious total control of the plebs.
            Want a loan? Better have a good “social credit” score inc. being “fully vaccinated” (inc “boosters” every 3-6 months) or no go for you. Ditto going to the pub or the shopping centre, maybe even getting GovCo support when you lost your job because of no vaccine (or missing a “booster” that wasn’t required yesterday).
            Yes, us plebs certainly need to be revolting…

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              OriginalSteve

              In real terms, Australia is now a nuke target. Once we signed up to the AUKUS thing, and we got nuke subs, I’m sure its a package deal, get one sub and they throw in 4 nukes…collect the whole set, that sort of thing…..

              https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/aukus-australia-nuclear-target-china-b1921649.html

              “Australia could become the target of a nuclear strike by China following the security agreement with the US and UK which will lead to it acquiring a nuclear-powered submarine fleet.

              “According to the Global Times, a newspaper viewed as a mouthpiece of the Communist Party in Beijing, Chinese military experts fear the vessels could be upgraded with a nuclear arsenal, despite assurances that they will only carry conventional weapons.

              Anyway, China has been as cranky as a wet hen over it, suggesting Australians in afghanistan were committing war crimes etc. ( guess who the Taliban has cuddled up to by the way ? )

              https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1495700/china-news-australia-war-crimes-afghanistan-latest

              “But the latest one has further heightened tensions between China and Australia.

              “Mr Lijian’s official Twitter account tweeted: “#Australian troops brutally killed prisoners of war & civilians by shooting or throat-slitting in #Afghanistan

              Its a decent old tantrum either way.

              Can someone pick up the toys that were thrown out of the pram please?

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              PeterS

              I get it. They are using coercion and back-door approaches to take away all our freedoms rather than by force. Force though is used at times as a show of power to scare others away from joining the protests. It’s working very well for them. I don’t look forward though to the social credit systems currently being investigated but I feel it’s inevitable, especially since it will receive a warm welcome by so many people.

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        PeterS

        I’ve seen them a long time ago on b1tch.te and tried to post it many threads ago but was banned for some reason – probably because of that word I won’t use form now as but just misspelled. I tried multiple times. It appears Jo doesn’t allow videos from there. I thought she believed in free speech.

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      David Maddison

      The YouTuber “Deactivist” is very good. I am extremely impressed that someone of his age isn’t thoroughly brainwashed like most others of that age and he actually sees freedom as a good thing.

      He even quotes Frédéric Bastiat.

      There is some hope, no matter how little

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        PeterS

        What really is odd is that no one in MSM or main stream politics gives a hoot about the police thuggery that’s blatant and obvious. It might not be widespread (it better not be) but it does occur and it’s occurring with increasing frequency and violence.

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          Bozotheclown

          You forget the mantra in many places it “police are the problem”. AU is just making it easy for the rest to make their case for de-funding them.

          Good job AU cops!

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      John+R+Smith

      Australia appears to be the drain down which the Western World is spiraling.

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      OldOzzie

      WATCH: Police move in to force HEALTHCARE WORKERS out of protesting in Melbourne
      Masked, vaccinated and socially distanced but banned from speaking out.

      On Monday, dozens of police officers descended on Edinburgh Gardens in Fitzroy to break up a peaceful, silent protest against vaccine mandates.

      The protest was attended by some 50 healthcare workers and only lasted for about half an hour before a bus full of armed police officers arrived to issue everyone move on orders.

      Protesters, many of them already vaccinated, wore their scrubs and PPE and held placards denouncing the government’s attack on personal choice and bodily autonomy.

      I was on the scene to speak with the protesters and witness the excessive police response.

      WATCH and SHARE the moment police arrived to kick out the protesters:

      Avi Yemini
      Chief Australia Correspondent
      Rebel News

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      Bozotheclown

      Both video links prompt me to “sign in to confirm my age” Naturally I won’t give GFoogle the time of day much less my identity.

      People please post links that do not require passing some kind of test or consent to zero privacy!

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      Vicki

      no reporting, that I am aware of, in our mainstream media, of the incredibly bad press Australia is receiving OS – AND from our western allies!

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      Serp

      Thanks David Maddison; I think I got the gist despite both videos being “age-gated” which necessitates a lot of technical rigmarole with cookies and browser add-ons to download them so as to be able to play at sufficient volume to make them intelligible to the older ear. Now I’ll clear all watch history a task not needed when the content is downloaded.

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      Flok

      So police and vaccines give no protection… got it

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    Richard+Ilfeld

    I am pondering the winter faced by the UK.
    Perhaps it will be time to ask; when the three spirits are visiting Scrooge again perhaps,
    why in fact we must expend so much effort and treasure to make the world a bit colder, when the
    general wish will be that it were, in fact a bit warmer.

    Will the greens reply “these are garments, Mr Crachit, to keep you warm….we shall burn no coal here”.
    (With full apologies to Mr Dickens, who understood full well that these are both the best and worst of times.)

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      Graeme No.3

      Richard:

      I hope you are prepared unlike your government** which is fixated on COP26 coming in Glasgow.
      By the time they realise it is a flop, like all previous meetings, there won’t be any time left to take action. They’ve stuffed the supply of electricity, of gas and coal and I hear are going to have the army deliver (rationed) petrol.

      The best ‘hope’ they have is a moderate cold but windy winter. A warmer winter (less wind) means less output from those turbines, as does really cold weather (blades ice up and turbines shut down in high winds).
      We’ve had a succession of dud P.M.s in Australia – Rudd, Gillard, Turnbull but nothing like your run of ‘deplorables’ Blair, Brown, Cameron, May and now Boris.

      By April next year Boris will be in real strife unless he changes policies drastically.

      **By that I mean all those silent clowns in parliament and the public service.

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        OldOzzie

        Memo Scott Morrison: Give Glasgow the big miss

        Greg Sheridan

        Scott Morrison should give the COP 26 gabfest in Glasgow on greenhouse gas emissions targets at the start of November a wide berth.

        Stay home, Prime Minister. Don’t go near it.

        It has all the political appeal of a holiday in Hawaii in bushfire season, all the upside of a guest appearance on the ABC’s Q+A with an audience of inner-city greenies.

        International conferences like this almost never achieve anything. In so far as countries announce concrete plans, these have been decided long in advance.

        Jamborees like Glasgow are all about confected emotion and grandiloquent faith affirmations.

        And if grandiloquent climate faith affirmations could cool the planet, we’d be living through an ice age by now.

        He has to communicate that convincingly enough that politicians like Dave Sharma can hold seats like Wentworth, and the Liberals have a chance of winning back seats like Warringah.

        At the same time, he also has to show people who aren’t real wealthy, who work in the physical economy and don’t get their salaries from government, that he’s not going to destroy the Australian economy in order to buttress an affirmation of faith in climate change.

        The Coalition is bleeding votes mainly on its right to a raggle-taggle militia of nondescript irregulars who don’t offer solutions but do channel discontent and anger.

        Finally, a media moment at Glasgow is not worth two weeks isolation when the PM gets back.

        Morrison is a strong campaigner, but he can’t campaign effectively from lockdown, or from Glasgow.

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    Neville

    More on their delusional so called energy crisis.
    Or how to waste endless trillions of $ and achieve ZERO change to the climate or temps or etc.
    And the kiddies and grand kiddies will be paying off those wasted trillions $ FOREVER. And AGAIN all for a GUARANTEED ZERO change.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/09/27/dont-blame-the-energy-transition-for-the-damage-being-caused-by-the-energy-transition/

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      PeterS

      Money and power. That’s their game. Same game past civilisations and empires have played and eventually lost. The game is still in play. When they lose this time around it will be big! Big bada boom!

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        Greg in NZ

        PeterS, “this time around” has been rolling around for nigh on 2,000 years… although, being familiar with The Revelation Of Jesus Christ To Saint John Of Patmos, it does appear certain ‘angels’ ARE pouring forth vile and scourges upon the gentiles and (self)chosen alike. The best of times, the worst of times…

        Have just heard on the radio where I live, Tauranga, has been found to have Covert* samples in its sewage – so far we’ve had no goon squad thugs smashing people in the head ala MELB & SYD, but maybe Jacindarella’s goons are keen to pull off a copycat? Good luck: there’s thousands of compliant citizens around here yet there’s more staunch mofos who are aware and who’ve had enough of this UN/WHO/WEF/NWO filth.

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          PeterS

          I’m referring to the various civilisations and empires that rose and died, such as the Babylonian, Assyrian, Hittite, Phoenician, Carthaginian, Ancient Greek, Roman and many more. They always go in cycles. The West is now in the down cycle. When it eventually bottoms it won’t be pretty.

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        MP

        Every time though they leave the b#stards standing, this time we need to leave them hanging.

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    dinn, rob

    “Science is being corrupted by the influence of corporate money.” Then there is:
    Chris Park: don’t say anything that would point to the U.S. government’s own role in gain-of-function research https://balance10.blogspot.com/2021/09/chris-park-dont-say-anything-that-would.html

    also several incredible interviews of Dr. Young and Dr. Mikovits are also posted lately.

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    Ian

    It may be Ivermectin may be not as harmless as some claim.

    “New Mexico’s Top Doc Declares Ivermectin Contributed to Death of Two COVID-19 Patients”

    https://trialsitenews.com/new-mexicos-top-doc-declares-ivermectin-contributed-to-death-of-two-covid-19-patients/?utm_source=Contextly&utm_medium=ChannelEmail&utm_campaign=Ivermectin&utm_content=Notification

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      OldOzzie

      two patients, one a 38-year-old and another 79-year old, were both severely ill with SARS-CoV-2 infections. Apparently, the two self-medicated with veterinary ivermectin and were subsequently hospitalized, ultimately dying.

      Results

      The reviewed literature suggests that there seems to be sufficient evidence about the safety of oral ivermectin, as well as the efficacy of the drug in the early-treatment and the prophylaxis of COVID-19.

      Conclusions

      In the view of the available evidence, the Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) recommends the use of oral ivermectin for both prophylaxis and early-treatment of COVID-19. Further well-designed studies should be conducted in order to explore the efficacy and safety of invermectin at low and high doses, following different dosing schedules, in both, the short and long-term treatment.

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      wal1957

      It may be Ivermectin may be not as harmless as some claim.

      …and pigs may fly.
      Another own goal…as usual.
      Both were severely ill with WuFlu.
      Ivermectin is effective in the early onset as you well know.

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        Ian

        “…and pigs may fly.
        Another own goal…as usual.
        Both were severely ill with WuFlu.
        Ivermectin is effective in the early onset as you well know”

        It seems you have never heard of the saying don’t shoot the messenger. You don’t agree with the article? Tell the author not me. But do note it was published by Trialsite news which is a strong supporter of the use of ivermectin for Covid-19. However as they are not prejudiced prats they publish articles that give both sides of the argument. Looking at both sides is something you and many here might like to think about. BTW did you actually look at the article or is your comment based on your personal views?

        Here’s another article you can berate me for but note I ddin’t write it so again, don’t shoot the messenger write to the author.

        n this randomized clinical trial that included 476 patients, the duration of symptoms was not significantly different for patients who received a 5-day course of ivermectin compared with placebo (median time to resolution of symptoms, 10 vs 12 days; hazard ratio for resolution of symptoms, 1.07).

        Meaning The findings do not support the use of ivermectin for treatment of mild COVID-19, although larger trials may be needed to understand effects on other clinically relevant outcomes.
        https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389

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          Bozotheclown

          Ian why are you compelled to denigrate smear and malign these things that might help? Is it that you’d prefer most Jo Nova blog visitors not survive?

          C’mon spill your guts what is the story here?

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          Forrest Gardener

          Be a better troll Ian.

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          Old Goat

          Ian,
          Seriously ? american medical association is the organisation behind this , in the country with the worst covid outcomes . Credibility zero.Big pharma….You are ignoring all the other studies and cherrypicking this one ? If you want to play devils advocate a better effort is required .

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      clarence.t

      “the two self-medicated with veterinary ivermectin”

      All the more reason to make human strength Ivermectin available.

      That way, these overdoses and other hidden chemicals in horse mixes, wouldn’t be a problem.

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      OldOzzie

      Summary of the Evidence for Ivermectin in COVID-19

      Ivermectin is an anti-parasite medicine whose discovery won the Nobel Prize in 2015 for its impacts in ridding large parts of the globe of parasitic diseases via the distribution of over 3.7 billion doses within public health campaigns since 1987.

      Since 2012, numerous in-vitro and in-vivo studies began to report highly potent anti-viral effects of ivermectin against a diverse array of viruses including SARS-CoV-2. Further, increasing antiinflammatory and immuno-modulating effects are being identified

      Our comprehensive narrative review of the “totality of the evidence” supporting ivermectin was published in The American Journal of Therapeutics in April, 2021 where we reviewed data on efficacy from a diverse array of scientific sources beyond just the randomized controlled trial evidence as illustrated in the diagram below.

      Currently, as of September 19, 2021, the totality of the evidence is as follows

      CONCLUSION

      Based on the totality of the existing evidence above, the FLCCC strongly recommends ivermectin be used in both the prevention and treatment of all phases of COVID-19 in both vaccinated and unvaccinated populations.

      Retracted Research

      The totality of evidence for ivermectin is large enough that removal of any single data set, trial or study has minimal impacts. The integrity of one study in Egypt (Elgazzar et al) out of the then 28 RCT results available, was recently called into question. While we share the concerns about this study, the removal of its data from the most comprehensive meta-analyses did not change the
      conclusion that ivermectin is highly effective in both prevention and treatment

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      Mark Kaiser

      Ian
      September 28, 2021 at 9:03 am · Reply
      It may be Ivermectin may be not as harmless as some claim.

      Fair point Ian.

      It also may be that water is not as harmless as some claim.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

      We should outlaw water consumption.

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        Greg in NZ

        Outlaw oxygen… outlaw carbon dioxide… oh wait –

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        Ian

        Yeah water can kill in ways other than drowning. Too much too quickly reduces plasma sodium levels this increases sof=dium levels inside cells causing them to swell. This can affect the brain and cause death

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      Vicki

      Administration of Ivermectin at late stage in COVID infection will have nil effect, in almost all cases, in recovery. But the same can be said for Remdesivir, and, some medicos argue, even ventilators, when the patient’s vascular system in lungs and/or heart is in a cytokine storm of inflammation & oxygen deprivation.

      This process is what makes this virus so deadly in immuno-compromised and elderly patients. It is not to be under estimated.

      This is why it is SO distressing that known anti-virals and anti-inflammatories are not prescribed routinely on positive testing for the virus – particularly for vulnerable patients.

      This awful, genetically manipulated virus has revealed incredible fault lines in our medical protocols in the public health system. This alone, to me, is terrifying.

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        Sceptical+Sam

        This awful, genetically manipulated virus has revealed incredible fault lines in our medical protocols in the public health system.

        You can say that again.

        If ever a Royal Commission were needed, there’s one needed here.

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      yarpos

      Yes never mind India, never mind Japan, the big indicator is two tossers in New Mexico self medicating with the wrong product. Thats it then, its all over, well spotted!

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      another ian

      Second paragraph at

      https://trialsitenews.com/new-mexicos-top-doc-declares-ivermectin-contributed-to-death-of-two-covid-19-patients/?utm_source=Contextly&utm_medium=ChannelEmail&utm_campaign=Ivermectin&utm_content=Notification

      “In what appears to be a significantly biased, slanted piece of journalism, the New York Times writer Alyssa Lukpat referred to the recent report by the American Association of Poison Control Centers (AAPCC) reporting 1,440 cases of “ivermectin poisoning this year” up to September 20. She notes, of course, the three-fold increase but doesn’t bother to review the data, or if she did,&nb…”

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    Neville

    This morning even their ABC is reporting the SELF harm CCP ENERGY CRISIS as the cold weather starts to inflict more pain.
    They’ve cut back on Aussie coal and will now suffer the consequences.
    Let’s hope the Chinese people continue to give the CCP HELL.
    Here’s Bloomberg’s coverage.

    https://www.bloombergquint.com/global-economics/china-s-electricity-shock-is-latest-supply-chain-threat-to-world

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      el+gordo

      Premier Xi is arrogant and myopic.

      Governors are pleading for more coal imports, but the great man is planning his trip to Glasgow to bask in the limelight.

      Power cuts are hitting traffic lights, 3D networks and factories… the people are afraid but State Grid Corp is reassuring residents that winter heating will be maintained.

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      el+gordo

      India is also in strife, mass delusion has taken hold.

      ‘The situation in India is a stark reminder to the rest of the industrialized world. The slip from abundance to deficiency is subtle and can easily happen when the share of unreliable renewables increases in the energy mix. It is also a reminder that coal is still king, the go-to source to meet high demand for 24/7/365, on-demand, reliable power—an indispensable resource for aluminum smelting.’ (wuwt)

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    Analitik

    Two top Pathologists reveal astonishing results of investigation into ten deaths linked to the Covid-19 Vaccines – “We’ve never seen anything like it…”

    https://theexpose.uk/2021/09/26/two-top-pathologists-reveal-astonishing-results-of-investigation-into-ten-deaths-linked-to-the-covid-19-vaccines-weve-never-seen-anything-like-it/

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      David Maddison

      Welcome back Analitik!

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      G’day again A,
      Unvaccinated nurses in NY are being laid off.
      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/new-york-hospitals-fire-suspend-staff-who-refuse-covid-vaccine/100496652
      Cheers
      Dave B

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      Vicki

      A really, really important release of autopsy reports on deaths of patients with COVID – because almost no autopsies are being performed. This report needs to be conveyed to as many people as possible.

      Unfortunately, those committed to the vax narrative will insist that these are isolated cases & will probably even dispute some of the conclusions. And so the global tragedy continues.

      BTW heard today very sad news of a pregnancy in a friend’s family aborted because of severe baby malformation. Of course no reference made to the vaccination. On the contrary,I was told “these things happen”… What can you say?….except I am so, so sorry for your loss…….

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    a+happy+little+debunker

    Disturbing FWC Vaccine Mandate finding.

    FWC Australia has upheld the termination of a receptionist (at an Aged Care home) for not getting the 2020 NSW mandated Flu jab – despite her documented history of adverse reactions to Flu Vaccines as supplied by her GP.

    This has profound implications for all worker’s rights.

    This FWC ruling has basically said that any employee who refuses to take a vaccine, no matter the reason (medical or otherwise) – can be sacked by the employer.

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      OldOzzie

      Dissenting commissioner says vaccine mandate ‘abhorrent’

      But their colleague, Ms Dean, said she “strenuously disagreed” and described it as a “serious injustice”, disputing the suggestion Ms Kimber was an anti-vaxxer.

      “All Australians should vigorously oppose the introduction of a system of medical apartheid and segregation in Australia,” she wrote in her dissenting judgment.

      “It is an abhorrent concept and is morally and ethically wrong and the anthesis [sic] of our democratic way of life and everything we value.”

      Ms Dean argued the case about the flu shot should be a warning in the debate about making it compulsory to get the COVID-19 vaccination.

      “Blanket rules, such as mandating vaccinations for everyone across a whole profession or industry regardless of the actual risk, fail the tests of proportionality, necessity and reasonableness,” she said.

      “It is more than the absolute minimum necessary to combat the crisis and cannot be justified on health grounds.

      “It is a lazy and fundamentally flawed approach to risk management and should be soundly rejected by courts when challenged.”

      Ms Dean said Ms Kimber should be reinstated to her role.

      Mandatory COVID-19 vaccinations have been ordered for workers in the aged care sector, and there were large protests in Melbourne last week about the Victorian government’s decision that construction workers needed to get the shot.

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      PeterS

      Yes it’s profound but there is very little one can do about it. The law is vague and ambiguous. We don’t have any clear Constitutional rights on the matter. Given the US has a much better one they still suffer the same profound issues. I’ve resigned to the fact we just need to weather the coming storm as best we can to try and get through it at the other end when it clears. Some will die for their beliefs in the face of increasing persecution. I might be one of them. So be it. I will never give up my beliefs by some future thought police. I know my God given rights and no human can take them away no matter who they are, not even the devil himself.

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        Ivan

        Peter, all vaccines should be non compulsory, the ultimate freedom.
        Polio certainly made life interesting .

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        Vicki

        Agree with you Peter – we must weather the storm.

        Knowing that Big Pharma is hoping to release anti-virals towards the end of the year & that conventional vaccines,such as Novavax, are in development, I am confidant that the use of the gene therapy vaccines will be quietly phased out.

        Meantime, we may be able to retrieve some liberties with the rapid antigen test kits available from, I understand,1st November.

        But I am with you – the more that I know about the hastily released current vaxx, the more resolved I am to reject them. Having said that, I hope that I am wrong about their possible long term effects & pray that the remarkable human immune system will expel or destroy the invasive proteins before they do unretrievable damage.

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        a+happy+little+debunker

        The right of employers to over-ride medical autonomy and require employees to undertake their medical directions is not ‘something to be weathered’.

        Should we accept that employers have the right to demand the termination of staff pregnancies? The castration of male employees? The tubal ligations of female employees?

        The slope is very, very slippery and the FWC has decided that employers have that authority…

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    OldOzzie

    Smoke from nuclear war would trigger massive climate change

    Nuclear war would trigger worldwide climate change and take a dire toll on food production and human health, according to scientists who studied different scenarios using a modern climate model.

    “Although we suspected that ozone would be destroyed after nuclear war and that would result in enhanced ultraviolet light at the Earth’s surface, if there was too much smoke, it would block out the ultraviolet light,” said study co-author Alan Robock. He is a professor of environmental sciences at Rutgers University-New Brunswick, in New Jersey.

    “Now, for the first time, we have calculated how this would work and quantified how it would depend on the amount of smoke,” Robock explained in a Rutgers news release.

    It’s long been known that nuclear weapons used in cities and industrial areas could touch off large-scale fires, sending massive amounts of smoke into the stratosphere that would then cause climate change — a circumstance known as a “nuclear winter.”

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      John Connor II

      I saw computer projections of global climatic shifts due to a nuclear winter 2 years ago and good old two-head Tasmania is the place least affected. Only a 2-3C drop in temp as I recall.
      But I wouldn’t worry about it, because unless the world takes their lives back, there’ll be no-one left to start a war.

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      Mark Kaiser

      Thanks for the laugh Old Ozzie. I thought you were joking until I read the “study”.

      From the study:

      Nuclear war would result in many immediate fatalities from the blast, heat, and radiation, but smoke from fires started by these weapons could also cause climate change lasting up to 15 years threatening food production.

      Who cares about the radiation and the complete obliteration of all the cities, let’s just worry about the smoke.

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        OldOzzie

        let’s just worry about the smoke.

        Going to Launceston? Just don’t breathe too deep

        The difference to Sydney, however, is the popularity of wood heaters and fireplaces that Launceston’s inhabitants light up in an attempt to keep warm. The emissions from these rise into that layer of warm, lower air – and stay there while the colder air cap persists. Thus, Launceston, a modest, small city, has a big air pollution problem and, sometimes, some of the dirtiest air you could breathe anywhere in the country.

        It has become so bad these past few days that the government has warned residents not to do strenuous exercise outside lest they breathe in too much of the stuff. In the worst recorded air quality levels since 2007, contamination reached 100 micrograms of small particles per cubic metre when the normal Launceston winter daytime average is around 25 micrograms. According to the Bureau of Meterology, a mix of low temperature with little wind allows particles from wood heaters to settle in the Tamar Valley and create a smog layer.

        Wood – warming, sure… but not so healthy

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          el+gordo

          Natural gas heaters would be preferable, same goes for Armidale.

          It seems like only yesterday that Lithgow was shrouded in yellow smog from the locals burning coal, but that has become a thing of the past.

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        yarpos

        you worry about what actually does the most damage, it isnt always that obvious

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    FatAl

    Nurses/Healthcare workers blow the whistle on damage caused by COVID-19 vaccination

    https://t.me/s/NursesSpeakOut

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      Annie

      My goodness; this is appalling.

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        Hanrahan

        A home with 90 in care had 14 deaths. Terrible.

        OK, they are in care and were going to die anyway. Then let them die in God’s own time!

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      OldOzzie

      Hi Team,

      I was a RN in a large city hospital in Victoria.

      Employed April 2020 to work in a Covid isolation facility. Arrived from overseas March 2020. Nursing for past 30 years.

      Started to ask questions re: treatment of covid positive patients can they have Vitamin c and d
      – told no.

      Tried to make the patients isolation as easy as possible.

      Routine swab to be weekly I declined and was threatened with job loss immediately. So I complied when a medical need due to colleague who had been in a ‘hotspot’

      Vaccines started March 2021 not fully informed and no informed consent gained. I was told to ‘shutup’ by my management.

      I am an experienced registered immuniser for many years overseas and completed the university online training in Australia in September 2020. If anyone asked me questions I was told by my management to tell them to speak to another RN.

      I was given 10 days notice to leave the facility to be redeployed as I declined the vaccine. I left and was not redeployed but terminated the day after I left by HR.

      No support from my union ….told me lucky to be in Australia…..lucky to have a job…..lucky to be offered a vaccine…. I have left the union. Also I may have left my nursing career for good due to imminent vaccine mandate.

      Thank you for starting this telegram channel. Thank you to all the nurses working and hanging on to their jobs and speaking out right now. It is traumatising. Be strong for our profession our colleagues and our patients

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      MP

      There are a couple in there you have to question, got stuck 10 months ago, Scomo has only been pushing drugs for 6.

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      Kalm+Keith

      extraordinary/

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    OldOzzie

    Victorian Premier Dan Andrews owes apologies to 6.6m plus one

    Dan Andrews owes a personal apology to his NSW counterpart and a public apology to every single Victorian over his excessively brutal, unnecessary and ineffective lockdowns.

    Terry McCrann

    Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews owes his NSW counterpart Gladys Berejiklian a personal apology and 6.6m Victorians a public apology.

    He owes the one to Berejiklian over his sneering ridicule of her softer lockdown approach to fighting the virus.

    He owes the apology to every single Victorian over his excessively brutal – and is now becoming all too evident, both unnecessary and ineffective – lockdowns compared with NSW.

    Both derived from Andrews’s absurd and utterly, utterly, delusional belief that he alone – not just in Australia, but in the entire world – knew how to defeat the Delta strain with brutal lockdowns.

    Two months ago, he arrogantly declared that “we’ – meaning “I”, your all-knowing Great Leader – had “seen off” Delta not just once but twice and would do it again with the brutal lockdowns, curfews and nasty and pointless restrictions like closing playgrounds and skate parks.

    Two months on, it is now entirely possible, maybe even probable, that the number of daily Victorian Covid cases will pass NSW’s – with Victoria going up and NSW falling or at least stabilising. And remember, this would happen in a state whose 6.6m population is only 80 per cent of NSW’s 8.2m – meaning Victoria’s real performance would be so much worse.

    Over the last seven days, NSW cases have averaged 988 a day; Victoria’s 723. But adjusted for population, that Victorian number would have been 903.

    More tellingly, the trend is against Victoria.

    Over the two days of the weekend, when testing numbers (in both states) fall sharply, NSW recorded 1748 cases and Victoria 1484. But adjusted for the lower population, the Victorian number was the equivalent of – a higher than NSW – 1855. Why did I mention the testing numbers? Because daily tests in Victoria have been running at around half those of NSW.

    Self-evidently – as Andrews himself and his two key health advisors Brett Sutton and Jeroen Weimar themselves declare repeatedly, if you test more, you find more cases.

    Over the last 11 days NSW’s 11,551 cases came from 1.34m tests; Victoria’s 7181 cases came from 612k tests. If Victoria had done as many tests as NSW, it might – I stress, might – have found 15,664 cases, in comparative terms. What is absolutely clear and utterly undeniable, over those 11 days NSW was finding 8.65 cases for each 1000 tests, while Victoria was finding a much higher 11.73 cases for each 1000 tests. What is also therefore clear and undeniable is that Andrews’s more brutal – and in some areas deliberately and unnecessarily punitive – lockdowns haven’t delivered better outcomes.

    That’s, with one clearly very, very important exception; deaths. Since August 1 NSW has recorded 237 deaths, Victoria only 24.

    Apart from the obvious: just exactly how many lives were saved by banning kids from playgrounds and people from playing golf?

    Let’s revisit the comparison at the end of October, as Victoria will very likely have racked up many, many more cases than NSW over the course of the month. Apart from Victoria likely passing NSW in daily Covid cases, there have been two other ‘passings’ of note.

    Just as I foreshadowed a week ago, over the weekend Australia went past China in total number of recorded cases. According to Worldometer, as of Monday morning, we’d recorded 97,550 cases in total since the start of it all back in February 2020; while China had recorded only 96,115. Just to be crystal clear, those are absolute total numbers not population adjusted. And the Chinese numbers are complete and utter fiction – like every number on anything and everything ‘produced’ in China.

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      wal1957

      I find it utterly abhorrent that all our “leaders” are playing the blame game and/or being smug jerks in comparing WuFlu cases/deaths.
      They are acting like 10 year olds, but that is normal for politicians unfortunately.
      Our leaders are an absolute disgrace…all of them!

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      Graeme No.3

      And nearly three quarters of all deaths from Covid in Australia occurred in Victoria.

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      OldOzzie

      Weak & Woke – Channel Nine pulls ‘Worksafe must prosecute Andrews’ ad

      Hello

      (Yesterday) afternoon we informed you that our TV advert would start airing on Channel 9 during the 6pm evening news in Victoria. The ad has been pre-paid and checked and classified for airing by CAD.

      At 8 minutes to 6 (last night) Channel 9 pulled the ad. No reason. Our media team will be talking to Channel 9 (today). Channel 9 is of course an independent commercial organisation. It can do what it likes.

      But from our perspective we can only feel that our ad must be hugely powerful and perhaps scares the hell out of some people. Who knows why Channel 9 would pull the ad? What do you think?

      Channel 9 is interested in what the public think. People keep asking us how they can help the Not Above The Law campaign. Here’s something you can do. Let Channel 9 know what you think of them pulling the ad.

      Here’s Channel 9’s Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/Channel9/

      And Nine’s online complaints form: https://ninehelp.zendesk.com/hc/en-au/requests/new

      Let them know what you think.

      Here’s our ad again. Pass it on to as many people as you can.

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    beowulf

    Chris Turley adds his perspective to the fallout from the Arizona forensic audit. Watch this space.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cst1btc8gbA

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    TedM

    Interview with Drs. Robert Malone and Geert Vanden Bossche on the covid19 vaccination.
    You will need to concentrate, and keep in mind that they are discussing a non sterilising vaccine or you will lose the thread. 1 hour and 50 minutes long.
    https://youtu.be/qP31cfD3YOY

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      Vicki

      Yes – if you can find the time – this is a really important discussion from two experts who know more about virology than the whole of our medical bureaucracy put together.

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        Environment Sceptic

        Indeed it is an important discussion.Two Giants being interviewed together who gave each other time to speak whilst having very important, for us, meaningful dialogue.

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        TedM

        Agreed Vicki, it is worth the time and the effort to concentrate for the duration. Maybe worth a post.

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    M Allinson

    Here’s a sort of a sciencey pome about some of the various elements our bodies have borrowed from the natural world, which will eventually ask for them back:

    Elemental

    The sea in the night calls my bones and tells
    Of the debt they owe to its elements:
    Of calcium soaked from its crush of shells;
    Of sodium distilled in filaments
    Of swaying kelp, churning nutrients
    From oxygen, hydrogen and carbon
    Atoms that bond and crack in the solvents
    Of time and life; recycling silicon
    In shifts of sand, and the nitrogen
    Falling with the sulphur of tropic skies;
    It tells of the blood-debt owed to iron
    And of phosphorus sparked in fish-cold eyes.
    Your bones are mine, calls the sea in the black
    Depths of the night, and I will have them back.

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    Jock

    Christmas all mighty. Everyone is haveri g on about bloody covid. The biggest issue is the LNP trying to figure out how to go netzero emissions. In my opinion this will beggar the country, cost our kids a bomb and do absolutely nothing g for the climate. What are you all doing about it. Using covid to distract yourselves. ?
    Perhaps your right though. Maybe Australia deserves to get it good and hard. The way they have accepted the lockdowns and lack of liberty you have to ask if anyone gi Es a stuff.

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      OldOzzie

      Labor will get in and destroy Australia under Albasleezy – just look at Dictator Dan in VictoriaStan and PalaChook in QLD

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      Mark+Allinson

      “In my opinion this will beggar the country, cost our kids a bomb and do absolutely nothing g for the climate.”

      Ahh, now you’re getting the picture.

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    OldOzzie

    Why comparing Covid-19 with the Spanish flu is absurd

    The US reached another ‘grim milestone’ in the never-ending Covid-19 pandemic last week … and the highly-politicised fearmongering that ensued is yet another example of how ignorant and hysterical we’ve become.

    Adam Creighton

    Karl Marx said history repeated, first as tragedy, then as farce. Comparisons of the Covid-19 pandemic with the Spanish flu are absurd, a sign of how ignorant and hysterical we have become.

    John Barry’s 550-page The Great Influenza, a magnificent piece of scholarship first published in 2004, chronicles a humanitarian disaster of epic proportions, the greatest tragedy the world has seen since the plagues of the Middle Ages.

    When a new influenza virus wiped out 6 per cent of a 1018-strong French army battalion, incapacitating another quarter, within days in May 1918, the world learned of the unimaginable horror in prospect.

    When the British ship City of Exeter transformed into a floating morgue sailing to Philadelphia from Liverpool, a quarter of its sailors dying en route, American doctors braced for a tragedy that was about to tear through the world.

    More than 50 per cent of the population of Buenos Aires died, 3 per cent of all Africa and about 17 million Indians in less than a year.

    Doctors had never seen symptoms so horrific, a disease so deadly.

    “It is hard to distinguish the coloured men from the white,” US Army doctor Roy Grist wrote, referring to the extreme cyanosis in victims that often drew comparison with the Black Death.

    Unlike Covid-19, people only died from Spanish flu, never with.

    “Blood was everywhere, on linens, clothes, pouring out of some men’s nostrils and even ears while other coughed it up. Many of the soldiers, boys in their teens, men in their twenties – healthy normally ruddy men – were turning blue,” Barry writes of a typical scene at US Army camps in late 1918, where soldiers assembled before heading to France.

    At Camp Pike in Arkansas 13,000 of the 60,000 young men stationed there were hospitalised within days. One in 67 American soldiers – more than 50,000 – was killed by the virus within a few months, more than died in the Vietnam War.

    The carnage was so horrific, so sudden, many couldn’t take it. Colonel Charles Hagadorn, in charge of 40,000 soldiers at Camp Grant, where thousands died, a veteran of wars in Mexico and The Philippines, committed suicide as bodies piled up around him.

    In Philadelphia, the worst-hit US city, authorities sent vans around the city to collect the bodies.

    Unlike Covid-19, where 95 per cent American victims have at least four comorbidities and die around age 80, according to the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, Spanish flu killed those with the most to live for, the youngest and strongest, those starting their families.

    New York City quickly had to find homes for 21,000 orphans.

    Australian scientist and Nobel laureate Macfarlane Burnet, decades later, put the total death toll between 50 million and 100 million, in a world with fewer than a quarter of the almost eight billion people on Earth today.

    More than 5 per cent of the world’s young adults were killed by Spanish flu, Barry estimates. The virus used the host’s immune system to kill the victim; the healthier, the quicker the death. The US in 1918 wouldn’t have noticed Covid-19, which has taken 18 months to kill 4.5 million globally (from or with), having an infection fatality rate of 0.3 per cent at most, including 0.05 per cent of those under 70.

    But the contrasts don’t end there.

    The flu changed history, helping end World War I, devastating the German army ahead of its final assault in 1918. And it laid the foundation for World War II. In Paris for peace negotiations, US president Woodrow Wilson in 1919 resisted France’s determination to extract a punitive settlement with Germany – until he caught the flu.

    Wilson’s 25-year-old aide died within days, but Wilson trudged on, conducting negotiations with French prime minister Georges Clemenceau and British prime minister David Lloyd George. France got its way, helping fuel Adolf Hitler’s rise to power in Germany.

    Covid-19 will also change history, thanks to the hysterical over-reaction and self-inflicted damage of measures.

    It won’t cause a war but it may have destroyed our liberal democratic society.

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    Grogery

    Does anyone have a list of countries that would consider accepting asylum seekers from Australia?

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    #FJB latest craze in political discourse

    No, Joe, it doesn’t mean you have turned into world’s sexiest old person

    Joe Biden doesn’t even have to be present for an outbreak of Mean Tweets directed at him. Chants of “F*ck Joe Biden!” have mercifully replaced the wave at college football games around the country.

    Luckily for Mr. Biden, he is senile.

    His wife — the visiting angel, Dr. Jill Biden — had to explain to him that, no, the whole world did not actually want to sleep with him all of a sudden.

    “They don’t mean it like that, Darling,” she told him gently. “So put away your pomade and cut-off jean shorts.” Then she gave him back his little Corvette Matchbox car.

    She didn’t have the heart to tell him he hasn’t needed hair grease since his tragic hair plug disaster back in the 70s.

    After Mrs. Biden explained to the president that he had not, in fact, suddenly turned into the world’s sexiest old man, he was upset. The problem, he explained later, is there is not enough unity in America today. And he blamed the people who died on 9/11.

    “And I’m thinking of, you know, what — what — of the people who died, what would they be thinking?” he wondered aloud to the assembled gaggle of confused reporters.

    “They think it makes sense for us to be in this kind of thing where you ride down the street, and someone has a sign saying ‘F so and so?’ It’s not who we are.”

    Okay, so that first quote from Jill Biden about the Pomade and cut-off jean shorts? I made that one up. But it’s a pretty educated guess about their conversation. Just call me Bob Woodward.

    But that second quote? The one from Joe Biden? That is totally real. He actually said that. It is in the official White House transcript.

    To be fair, it is entirely unclear what the hell Mr. Biden was trying to say. Even Jill Biden could not decipher that one. Either it’s all the fault of 9/11 victims that people everywhere are chanting “F*ck Joe Biden!”

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    Hanrahan

    I have a layman’s understanding of cavity corrosion in stainless steel so I used plastic coated stainless wire for the lift rope on my bore pump. I checked it y’day and alas it has corroded away anyway.

    What should I replace it with? Natural fibre rope would not last in that environment but would a poly rope do OK in the absence of UV?

    I know little of sacrificial anodes could that work?

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      Lance

      Safety lines / lift ropes for submersible pumps in boreholes ought to be polypropylene or nylon, 10 mm to 15 mm dia ought to work.
      Depends on weight of pump which diameter or material is chosen.

      SS isn’t the best material for continuous exposure to borehole conditions. There can be sulfur dioxide fumes in some strata and always there is moisture.

      I’d go for the polymer ropes. No corrosion. Just make sure the rope will carry 3 times the weight of the pump and piping. Safety factors and all.

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        Hanrahan

        This is strange, I searched on the first words of your post “Safety lines / lift ropes for submersible pumps in boreholes” and the professionals recommend s/steel. It doesn’t last in an anaerobic environment. S/steel, like Zn, needs to form a protective oxide layer. Without that coating it corrodes.

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          another ian

          H

          Depends on the grade of stainless. I’m no expert but IIRC 316 is better than 312.

          A bloke from around boat building said you need a magnet – the high resistance SS won’t stick to the magnet.

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      OldOzzie

      Hanrahan,

      poly ropes are used on big ships – go with poly

      Aquatec Marine Ropes
      Donaghys Aquatec Ropes


      Blended p/e & p/p, giving the good handling of p/e & the strength of p/p.

      Custom lengths & splicing is available on request

      APPLICATIONS

      * Marine, Fishing, Rural, Heavy industrial.

      * Truck Ropes, Nets, Ladder Ropes, Foot Ropes.

      * Blasting mats, Car tow ropes, Air sea rescue lines, Slings.

      * Control ropes, Head lines, Ducting draw lines.

      FEATURES & BENEFITS

      * Abrasion & Shock load resistant

      * High strength to weight ratio

      * UV resistant with excellent weathering properties

      * Not affected by water & does not absorb water

      * Excellent Knotting & Splicing

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        Hanrahan

        4mm poly rope has a break strength of 214 kg. This is a 4″ pump with 20 m of piping. There is no foot-valve so the water will drain as it is lifted. I see no reason to go heavier.

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      Lance

      Something like this will work:

      https://ropegalore.com.au/donaghys-8mm-10mm-black-p-p-ropes/

      Just make certain of the working load capacity of the rope, and be sure to whip the cut ends or flame burn and wipe the ends at cuts so they don’t unravel. Very tough rope. 10 mm is my choice, but your situation might be different.

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      Graeme No.3

      Nylon or Polypropylene (including mixtures).
      Check the type of nylon, nylon 11 or 12 are water resistant, don’t get affected by ice buildup in the rope but have higher elongation (which makes them popular with mountaineers). Nylon 6 still absorbs some water which softens it slightly (reduces ultimate strength but increases toughness hence use on shoe soles).

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      another ian

      H

      Depends on the grade of stainless. I’m no expert but IIRC 316 is better than 312.

      A bloke from around boat building said you need a magnet – the high resistance SS won’t stick to the magnet.

      (First reply ended up as #62)

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    John Connor II

    And for your daily dose of ADE kill-shot humour.
    Biden gets his booster shot while pushing for 98% immunisation:
    https://youtu.be/-uaMWfUaiIg

    Oh boy…any graphics people here?
    Does that look green screen or what!
    And of course he says “1 billion, 100 million shots”.
    Just love the speed of that injection too!
    Trick needle, saline or vitamin shot like the last fake shot?

    Meanwhile in what’s left of the real world:

    Stephane Bancel, the current CEO of Moderna, has announced that everyone who took the company’s first two Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) mRNA “vaccines” will need to get continual “booster” shots for the rest of their lives if they hope to live.

    Well…that’ll only be 5-10 years max decreasing 20% or so for each subsequent shot so around 2 years by the 5th shot based on available info.

    But then:

    “Those who don’t get vaccinated will immunize themselves naturally because the Delta variant is so contagious,” Bancel stated, clarifying that such people will still get sick, in his opinion.

    Wait…what?? Natural immunity?
    The unvaxxed are able to catch the less dangerous Delta (and onwards) and it’ll be flu like and minimal risk.
    The unvaxxed can also be exposed to shedding from the vaxxed with very little risk as the innate immune system is not being bypassed as it is with a kill-shot.

    It’s going to be very tough for those who want to live while bribed sociopathic pollies are still running the show here.

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      Delta is not less dangerous. Hospitalization rates are twice as high. Viral load is higher and rises faster. Mortality in Canada estimated to be 2.3 times higher.

      Usually a virus that hospitalizes more people will also kill more people.

      Sorry. You may not want to hear this, but it is what it is.

      PS: “kill-shot” is not going to encourage scientific discussion. So let’s just keep the language functional. thanks.

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        RightOverLabour

        But Canada is one of the most vaxxed in the world. There seems to be a correlation with High vaccination rates and death from Delta. Israel shows the same correlation. I would argue from what I have read that unvaxxed are reasonably safe from Delta, but that the vaccines effect on the natural immune system has made Vaxxed people more susceptible to Delta. There are a number of Doctors ( eg Ryan Cole) that argue this line of thought. Problem is we don’t have absolute causation /correlation statistics. If we look at New Zealand I think we only have 1 death from Delta, about 1000 cases, most are reasonably mild and many don’t even realise they have it until tested in hospitals for other reasons.

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        Vicki

        Just listened to the wonderful 2 hour discussion re current COVID infection rates between Geert Vanden Bossche & Robert Malone. They concentrated on data coming out of Israel for obvious reasons. It is indeed a petri dish at the moment.

        Certainly viral loads for the Delta strain are extremely high. These viral loads, as you will know, are not lower, & are in fact overall higher, in the vaccinated as opposed to the unvaccinated. This is obviously leading to the belief that this may be a signal that we are seeing antibody enhancement as a result of the vaccination saturation in the community.

        These guys are amongst the most experienced in their field, and they are still perplexed with some of the data eg it is affecting younger population now; the classic cytokine storm in advanced infection perhaps less prominent, but reason to believe the pathogen is affecting tissue throughout the body. They agree it is certainly evolving.

        This is such important scientific exploration – we need to have access to it.

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      John+in+NZ

      Did anyone notice that when Biden got his shot the vaccinator didn’t draw back on the needle.

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        Tides of Mudgee

        Hi John, yes I did notice that. John Campbell would be freaking out, as should we all. Wonder what was being injected into Biden, seeing as how apparently the White House staff are exempt from the “vaccine” mandate. ToM

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      Graeme#4

      Interesting, considering that the high plateau would have well and truly been under a lot of ice during the migration time.
      BTW, I’m searching for data on Chinese Nuclear power stations. Do you have any links?

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      el+gordo

      We are looking at Homo Erectus, going back long before us.

      There are 50 reactors in China.

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    An interesting test on masks using a hand held gas analyser to measure O₂ levels inside a face mask. Critical evaluation as to the science anyone?

    https://morningmail.org/air-tester/

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      And yet hundreds of thousands of doctors wear them on a daily basis, and some do delicate surgery…

      Keep your skeptical hat on.

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        Mark+Allinson

        Yes, thousands of doctors do wear masks, Jo, especially during surgery.

        However, the purpose of the standard surgical mask is NOT primarily to protect the wearer but rather to protect the patient from whatever the surgeon might happen to sneeze into a open wound.

        “Surgical masks are first of all devices that have the function of filtering the flow of outgoing air . The tests carried out on these PPE in fact examine the exhalation phase of the respiratory cycle, in order to verify that the mask is able to reduce the dispersion into the environment of viruses and bacteria carried by the breath and saliva of infected subjects.”

        They offer much less protection from incoming air, which is why Doctors get Covid too.

        If these masks really worked to stop viruses the level 4 bio-labs could save millions every year by ditching their self-contained, oxygen-supplied space suits for a Coles surgical mask

        https://wellness-trends.com/surgical-masks-characteristics-types-and-certifications/health/

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          MP

          Just following orders.

          Industry won’t use them, no industry will touch the things.
          That fact cancels the claim, safe and effective.

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          Vicki

          If these masks really worked to stop viruses the level 4 bio-labs could save millions every year by ditching their self-contained, oxygen-supplied space suits for a Coles surgical mask

          Indeed!

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        PeterS

        Jo, you neglect to mention that when doctors use them they replace them often. We wear the same mask all day, some even all week. That’s not healthy at all and counter-productive. In reality if any virus is deposited on the mask it ought to be disposed off carefully and replaced ASAP to avoid touching it too often and spreading it everywhere. Fat chance of anyone taking such precautions. Also, they are the wrong sort of mask for long term use to avoid airborne containments.

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          MP

          But Peter, scientists say, studies show. Yet not one industry will even look at them, maybe to show what not to wear.

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          Mark+Allinson

          Here’s another inconsistency in the “masks protect you from the virus” claims.

          If face masks really were snagging the Covid virus in its fabrics, as well as other pathogens such as bacteria and fungi, wouldn’t that suggest that these masks need to be disposed of in a special “Bio-hazzard” container?

          But we have heard absolutely nothing regarding the disposal of used masks – why not?

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            MP

            cause its never been about a virus.

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            Sceptical+Sam

            But we have heard absolutely nothing regarding the disposal of used masks – why not?

            Yes. Exactly. Why not?

            And, I don’t agree with MP’s answer.

            Essentially, the answer is that governments are incompetent.

            That’s why we need less of it.

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              MP

              Name one industry that uses those non masks, even the box they come in says they are good for nothing.
              Industry requires safe, effective. Cheap would be snapped up but they are used nowhere outside of medical, and that’s just to stop transfer of fluids between parties, nothing else.
              Masks are the most studied PPE in industry, we use dozens of different types for 100’s of different purposes, dust requires a minimum of N95, dust that may carry chemicals is minimum N95 with activated carbon. Generally its positive seal half face mask with a minimum of particle filter with a dust cover over that and that’s just for dust.

              I don’t need more studies, I have worked in industry all my life and have never seen one. That’s all the proof I need.

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        Ian

        Your comment is why you are highly rated

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    OldOzzie

    Covid death in hospital ‘still unlikely’

    A woman in her 90s died in Nepean Hospital. Picture: Jonathan Ng

    NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard aka Ruby Princess says that the chances of contracting Covid-19 in a hospital are still very slim, as Covid-19 deaths linked to hospital acquired infections continue to climb.

    Today’s seven deaths included two people who caught the disease in hospital, including a woman in her 90s from western Sydney who acquired her infection at Nepean Hospital, and a woman in her 70s who acquired her infection at Campbelltown Hospital.

    “The odds of getting the virus in hospital are still very, very small and we do need to keep that in mind,” he said.

    “I also think I need to emphasise that it’s very, very difficult with this particular virus – we’ve talked about this for many, many months – you can be infectious without even having symptoms and so people can enter the hospital in all innocence to seek help, staff can enter as well, but they can be contagious.

    “So it’s just an awful situation. It’s just terrible and, again, my sympathies to the families.”

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      OldOzzie

      Business won’t pay for unvaccinated customers

      Brought to you by The Liberal?? Party of NSW

      NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard aka Ruby Princess says that businesses will not be fined for serving unvaccinated customers, and the legal responsibility will instead fall on individuals.

      “A fine for the venue is unlikely at the moment,” he said.

      “That’s not on the agenda at this point. And I don’t think any state or territory is moving in that direction at the present time.

      “But individuals are up for fines from somewhere between $1000 and potentially $11,000 and or six months in jail if they breach the orders and they go to court.”

      Mr Hazzard said that this was “not time to be selfish”, adding that vaccinations were there to protect everyone.

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        Ronin

        “Mr Hazzard said that this was “not time to be selfish”, adding that vaccinations were there to protect everyone.”

        So making yourself aware of side effects and long term possibilities of health damage is being ‘selfish’.

        Well colour me selfish then.

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      Forrest Gardener

      One thing which might help are the rapid lateral flow tests but the powers that be in Australia have shown no detectable interest.

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        Forrest Gardener

        I just did my daily scan of their ABC’s propaganda pages and noticed that the TGA has now approved rapid lateral flow tests for home use (without practitioner supervision).

        Each supplier needs to get approval. Availability is expected in early November. And each state will determine how home tests will fit in with their covid “plans”.

        My guess is that the health bureaucracies won’t like these tests at all. They will remove the bureaucratic monopoly on testing after all.

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          Vicki

          I am very happy to hear of this availability. It just increases one’s sense of agency,rather than being at the mercy of the bureaucrats.

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    OldOzzie

    NSW HSC Language Question:

    What is Victorian for a period of time longer than a lunar month, but shorter than the Fixed Term of State Government?

    A: “A short, sharp, snap lockdown…..going early and hard…..never looking back and wondering”

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    chris

    Hi Jo,
    I am trying to view Marijn Poels’ latest film, ‘Headwind21’, but it appears to be blocked by YouTube here in Australia. Why is that? Is there another way I can see it?

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    Analitik

    New Zealand government “cleases” PM’s facebook page after vaccine side effects reports explode on post about vaccine hesitancy

    https://www.infonews.co.nz/news.cfm?id=122780

    The cleansed post
    https://www.facebook.com/jacindaardern/photos/a.10151319297407441/10158140116042441/

    Here is a facebook page that was set up to record the farce
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/164928329141436

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      Greg in NZ

      The little boy pointed, and shouted:

      The Emperor Princess has no clothes on!

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      PeterS

      Too late for so many. If there are indeed long term effects, God help those who pushed the vaccination agenda so hard, including all the so called journalists, including people like Andrew Bolt who I used to follow but gave up when he refused to take seriously even the possibility of Trump’s stolen election. I would hate to be in their shoes if things really turn nasty. Let’s hope they don’t for all their sakes.

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      RossP

      Look at the number of comments on the second link …30,000 plus now. Some are saying about 15,000 were deleted. So a total of about 45,000. Did not turn out quite like they expected.
      The question now is will they take any notice? Ardern is totally poll driven. The latest lockdown was a result of falling polls. raise the fear again etc.

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    David Maddison

    In Vicdanistan and NSW more and more people are being threatened with the sack (US = fired) or actually sacked if they don’t take The Injection.

    Some jobs require a mandatory injection by law such as in old age nursing homes. In other jobs, woke employers take it upon themselves to demand it.

    Federal and state fair work websites and antidiscrimination sites are neutral on whether it is legal or not to sack an employee if they refuse to get The Injection.

    I guess courts will have to decide the issue and of course, the traditional Leftist mantra of “My body, my choice” doesn’t apply because in this case the Left supports The Injection.

    Thoughts?

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      Forrest Gardener

      Shocking stuff. Hopefully the laws of supply and demand will cause an employer rethink.

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      OldOzzie

      Guest Post: Gab – Notes from ‘Dealing with ‘No Jab, No Job’ abuse’

      Just to give you an idea of the interest in these no jab, no job issues, around 4,500 people watched live today. (Youtube linked above). There were two speakers and here are some notes:

      AFL Solicitors : Tony Nikolic

      *AFL has a Telegram t.me/aflsolicitors page and website is http://www.aflsolicitors.com.au

      *Government is imposing mandates and employers are running with them

      *Mandates are not law, neither are directions or health orders

      *Fairwork Australia says employers and employees are essentially encouraged to work together. On what basis are they saying that? Many people are being told that if they are not jabbed by a certain time, they have no job. That is not working together that is coercion. There are deeper issues – people getting the sack, or being told they will be stood down without pay until they meet certain criteria.

      *Go to AFL Telegram or website to see their own templates to use (personalise them for own use)
      *Go to the coronavirus.fairwork.gov.au website and search for ”If an employee refuses a direction to be vaccinated” paragraphs.

      *In the short amount of time these vaccines have been in Australia (202 days?) there have been 57,000+ adverse reactions. This has been compared to other drugs that can be used to treat COVID. Over 4,217 days that they have been in circulation the highest adverse rate is 2,284 (that’s combined all other drugs that can be used to treat COVID)

      *Court Cases coming up re mandatory Vax on 30/9 and 1/10. All evidence is in

      *Very encouraging to see other law firms following their lead

      *A lot of learning and sharing of information with other law firms – building on each other’s successes

      *Serious concerns with evidence from experts and he believes the concerns are quite legitimate

      *Re aged care – seems that from the outset it was stitched up. What about health and police forces where directives seem to be different for Government employers?
      Different if a Minister gives the director than if a police commissioner does. That is a matter for Fair Work and you should go after that.

      *In the world there are more concerns and the vaccine does not stop contagion or transmission – it may help symptoms but Government is locking us down to control it; ie that’s what lockdowns are supposed to do

      *Essentially then aged care workers are getting the jab as mandated and instead of controlling COVID they are taking it into the vulnerable

      *Aged care and healthcare are vulnerable sectors so sending vaccinated people into these sectors is alarming.

      *Construction workers are essentially a part of RedUnion’s claim – construction workers, healthcare, aged care, some police officers.

      * The highest risk group is 95-99% survival with comorbidities

      *Children survivability is high as it is to a healthy person – COVID is almost nothing to them

      *Something has to happen legally but even ultimately people have to exercise their rights – change has to happen socially at community level. People need to stand togetherand they need to know their rights

      Jack McGuire – Red Union

      Website: http://www.redunion.com.au

      *Started 6-7 years ago as the QLD Nurses union. Grown enormously and other states have joined so now that is an Australian Union
      They also now run:
      Teachers Association (national)
      Drivers Association
      Doctors also are starting an alternative to AMA. They want to return to the primacy of doctor/patient relationship

      *Police are looking at joining up (Qld, Vic & NSW)

      *They have a number of actions at the moment and are working on one of the with AFL Solicitors mentioned above

      *600-700 are willing to walk off the job at Queensland Uni Gold Coast Hospital

      *Queensland Health have no idea who is vaccinated or not. If the Queensland hospital system collapses the Red union/association members will be waiting outside saying they are ready to work (not vaxed). Exciting!

      They surveyed 2,000 nurses and 1,300 will have no job. That alone is a catastrophe for Queensland – but there will be more – think about 1,300 for every 2,000 healthcare workers out of work.
      Many in Qld health are taking sick leave for burnout and suspected vax reactions. 602 have been coerced into getting the vaccine

      *Police have complained the police are definitely letting crimes go / delaying investigations because they are used for protests etc. One policeman reported a rape case that has been put on hold for the 3rd time due to resourcing issues re forensic analysis being diverted to hotel quarantine and 200 police surveyed. (Sounds like the people are winning so don’t let then bluff you)

      *Main advice when you are faced with coercion – do not resign! Allow your employer to take the first action. If you resign you don’t have anything / no claim.

      Government workers can ask for a risk assessment with regard to impact of COVID-19 on the workforce and a risk assessment of COVID vaccines. Almost none of the sectors mentioned that they represent have not done this. If pushed you can put pressure on your employer.

      *Try getting a risk profile of the vaccines – it will differ for different age groups, how does a 90% vaccinated workforce compare to a 50% vaccinated workforce (for example) – they must rationally assess risk. The vaccines do not mitigate the risks entirely because they don’t guarantee non-infection so they are more like PPE (reduce risk) – then what other PPE measures are there?
      Rapid antigen testing can eliminate no jab/no job – cost to mitigate HSE is not a good argument. Some of these are more effective than vaccination.

      *The Federal Government still states on its website that the vaccines in use are still being tested i.e they are still experimental. See the TGA website.

      *They will act for Teachers Australia-wide if they join them

      *Because of the importance of these issues – they are bringing people in even though the issue is happening (usually you need to be a member in good standing). Get on board is the message.

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    Analitik

    Israeli video of side effects from Pfzer/Biontech vaccine – The Testimonies Project

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-testimonies-project-movie/5756603

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    OldOzzie

    newcatallaxy.blog Guest Post: Cassie of Sydney – The Forgotten People

    Over the weekend I heard the news that Scott Morrison is preparing to sign Australia up to zero emissions by 2050. It’s yet another slap in the face, coming after eighteen months of Covid and Morrison’s spineless and craven leadership. I detest the man. Once again, we have a situation where the Liberal Party of Australia, whether it be with Section 18C, NSW abortion laws, climate change, free speech and so on is actively pursuing progressive leftist talking points and, in the process, happily trashing its own base.

    My anger is palpable. I hereby accuse the Liberal Party of Australia, current PM Scott Morrison and every current and former federal and state Liberal Party apparatchik and politician for the last twenty years of the following crimes…

    Betraying Liberal party voters,

    Trashing the legacy of Robert Menzies, and

    Abandoning core Liberal party values such as celebrating, promoting, and protecting individual liberty, free speech, religious freedom, fiscal responsibility, the rule of law, small and medium sized businesses and those men and women of middle Australia, the people so aptly described by Robert Menzies as “the forgotten people”.

    In May 1942, Robert Gordon Menzies gave the following speech, a speech which still resonates today. I recommend everyone read it and then weep.

    The Forgotten People

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    PTR

    With advisory intent only, it is Jonathan and not James Couey. Contributor on this blog, Yonason (?) has put up links to Couey’s work on several occasions without apparent acknowledgement.
    Your reference has now been up for 3 hrs with the same happening.
    It is out of my league, but I think it would be very useful if someone with the understanding, resources and ability, would construct a suitable paper, based on his arguments presented in this video. It could be then distributed to those who advocate for the community wide continual use of the “Transfections”, here demonstrated to be a significant cause of variants, and then demand that they justify the need to continue as is.

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    John Connor II

    The “Spartacus” letter.
    Get it while you can. Deleted from ZH and most other sites.

    What is the purpose of all of this? One can only speculate as to the perpetrators’ motives, however, we have some theories.

    The Elites are trying to pull up the ladder, erase upward mobility for large segments of the population, cull political opponents and other “undesirables”, and put the remainder of humanity on a tight leash, rationing our access to certain goods and services that they have deemed “high-impact”, such as automobile use, tourism, meat consumption, and so on. Naturally, they will continue to have their own luxuries, as part of a strict caste system akin to feudalism.

    https://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/09/27/i-am-spartacus/#more-249675

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    OldOzzie

    Project Veritas on Monday released part 3 of its #ExposeCovidVax series exposing Johnson & Johnson officials who said children do not need the Covid vaccine because the long-term side effects could be dangerous.

    In part 3, one Johnson & Johnson employee said kids shouldn’t get ‘f*cking’ Covid vaccine because it could be potentially dangerous.

    Brandon Schadt, Johnson & Johnson Regional Business Lead: “It’s a kid, you just don’t do that, you know? Not something that’s so unknown in terms of repercussions down the road, you know?”

    Schadt: “Kids shouldn’t get a f*cking [COVID] vaccine.”

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    Brenda Spence

    ​​From Dr Peter McCullough quote:

    Nearly 90% of young people in the UK already have antibodies for COVID-19, thanks to natural immunity

    New figures suggest that nearly nine out of every 10 people in the United Kingdom between the ages of 16 and 24 already have antibodies to protect themselves against the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19).

    These estimates come from the U.K.’s Office for National Statistics (ONS), which carried out blood tests on people between the ages of 16 and 24 in the country’s four main political subdivisions – Scotland, Wales, England and Northern Ireland.

    According to the estimates, 86.9 percent of young people in Wales have COVID-19 antibodies. In Northern Ireland, the number is 87.2 percent. In Scotland and England, this number increases slightly to 88.7 percent.

    The presence of coronavirus antibodies among such a high percentage of young people all over the U.K. suggests that many have already been infected by COVID-19 and have recovered from it. It takes two to three weeks after infection for the body to make enough antibodies to fight off the virus if it tries to enter a person’s body again.

    The ONS also carried out blood tests on other age demographics. The government agency also found that artificial antibody levels among older age groups who were the first to get vaccinated in Dec. 2020 were falling very quickly.

    The government agency also found that older age groups that have artificial “antibody” levels from being the first to get the COVID-19 vaccines in late 2020 and early 2021 were falling very rapidly.

    The ONS and many British scientists even admitted that the so-called antibodies provided by the vaccines dip several weeks following injection, and they have also acknowledged that this means the supposed protection the inoculations give disappears over time.

    Unfortunately, this data has not spurred on the British government to hold off on continuing the country’s unsuccessful mass vaccination program.

    The British government falsely believes that providing even more vaccines will help keep people from getting infected.

    If more people are not scared into getting vaccinated, the government is planning to coerce the British population by threatening to force people to wear masks in public and work from home. Worse yet, the government has not ruled out instituting another lockdown if the vaccination rate does not rise.

    Many people around the world already have natural immunity to COVID-19

    The U.K. is not the only country in the world with a high rate of natural immunity to COVID-19. In Mumbai, India, nearly 90 percent of the residents of the city already have COVID-19 antibodies, according to a survey that was just released on Friday.

    The survey was conducted by the Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation, the main civic body that governs Mumbai. The survey involved giving people blood serum tests between August and early September. This was done on 8,674 adult residents of Mumbai.

    According to the results of the survey, 88.29 percent of women and 85.07 percent of men in Mumbai already have COVID-19 antibodies from natural immunity.

    The survey also found that a slightly higher percentage of people living in crowded slum areas of Mumbai had COVID-19 antibodies. According to the survey, 87.02 percent of people in slum areas had COVID-19 antibodies, compared to 86.22 percent of people living in non-slum areas.

    The previous survey conducted in March of this year found that around a third of the population of Mumbai already had natural immunity to COVID-19. The survey found that 41.6 percent of people in slums and 28.5 percent in non-slums already had COVID-19 antibodies.

    Join 👉 https://t.me/PeterMcCullough

    Wonder what it could be in Australia?

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      Ross

      One thing I know Brenda – no real COVID science has been practiced in over 18 months in Australia. No en-masse anti body testing. No comparison of PCR testing. No analysis of COVID testing and its effectiveness. No broad scale Vitamin D testing. You can’t even have a scientific discuss without being branded an anti-vaxxer.

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        Sceptical+Sam

        Surely we’d not expect the lefty CSIRO to do any research that might help.

        It’d rather look at bat research with the CCP.

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      RickWill

      Wonder what it could be in Australia?

      Too close to zero to measure. Before the vaccines, the death rate was consistently 1% of people contracting Covid died across the population in the developed world. Australia has recorded 1245 Covid deaths giving actual infections of 125k or 0.5% with natural immunity.

      UK has 158k Covod deaths to date, equating to at least 16M infections in their population of 66M. So at least 24% would have acquired natural immunity. It could be quite a lot higher now since vaccinations have been completed because fewer vaccinated people die so the 1% death rate is now declining.

      Australia is already benefitting significantly from vaccinations with daily cases 20 days ago 3X the peak of last year but deaths 0.5X what it was last year this week – a 6-fold reduction in death rate.

      China released a bioweapon on the world. The WHO abetted the global spread of the bio-weapon. Pharmaceutical companies were spurred into rapid development of highly effective vaccines and governments have done some good in keeping more people alive by enabling reduction in mobility and getting vaccines into bodies. Overall very successful in defeating China’s menacing objectives.

      Peru has the highest death rate from Covid with 273k excess deaths since the virus was released in Peru. So about 27M in population of 33M or 82% with natural immunity. They are also vaccinating as fast as supplies permit and now up to 30% single jab. Peru has achieved herd immunity with daily cases lower than Australia and normal mobility:
      https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=Peru&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right#countries

      If Australia is cautious in restoring to normal mobility, with a high level of vaccination, then the country can rely entirely on vaccines to achieve herd immunity rather than the high death toll experienced in most other countries.

      The average infection rate across the globe remains well below 1 with daily cases now at 471k average for the past week; down from 656k 4 weeks ago.

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    Peter C

    New Covid cases in NSW are trending down. New Cases in Victoria going up.

    Yesterday Victoria recorded more new cases than NSW in the recent outbreak.

    Something Dan is doing is not working.
    https://covidlive.com.au/vic

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      RickWill

      Victoria is about 2 weeks behind NSW in vaccination program. NSW cases peaked with current mobility setting on 11 Sept. A bit more than two weeks ago. Victoria has similar settings but Vicpol has not been as smart as NSW police in preventing super spreader events.

      With Vic building workers off sites now and the rabble rousers now locked up or trying to get money to pay fines and legal fees, the spreader enents have diminished – some new ones associated with grand final parties.

      So far, Australia has kept under 2k daily cases. Careful easing of mobility restrictions while still increasing level of vaccinations should keep the number under 2k daily cases. Peak hospitalisation in Vic in 2020 hit 675. This year it has only got to 375 despite daily cases being higher; there could be a lag of about a week.

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      yarpos

      why would you rationally do you expect synchronicity?

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        Peter C

        The response to the epidemic is much the same in both states. ie social restriction (lockdown) and vaccination).

        However the NSW lockdowns are more targeted. Greater social mobility in NSW but case rate is falling. Opposite in Vic

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    el+gordo

    We need corporate Australia to stand up and reject mass delusion.

    ‘Investors told to reject BHP’s climate change strategy.

    ‘Influential proxy advisor CGI Glass Lewis says it is unclear whether BHP’s current climate targets are “science-based”. (SMH)

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      OldOzzie

      “While the company has the laudable goal of pursuing a long-term goal of net zero Scope 3 emissions, it appears to have somewhat limited targets.”

      From the Comments

      Are CCP steel blast furnaces, BHPs major customer, going to bow to the BHP Scope 3 position.
      Ah…. I don’t think so.
      Is BHP going to say to China, well no more iron ore for you then!!
      It all getting a bit silly.

      “saying it’s unclear if the targets are science-based or certified by outside organisations.” . . . It’s very clear this is a political plan with a tenuous basis in science . . . Sadly, the norm in corporate Australia today.

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      RickWill

      We need corporate Australia to stand up and reject mass delusion.

      Why? Australia has never had it so good. Australia needs to put considerable effort into fostering the delusion. The global push for Random Energy (RE) has underpinned the greatest economic boom in Australia’s history. It is the duty of every Australian to support the farce and encourage the rest of the world to commit economic suicide by transferring their wealth creating industries to China enabling Chine willing to pay ever higher prices for Australian commodities.

      The economic picture in two charts:
      https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/current-account

      https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/current-account

      The leadership of BHP recognised the farce at least 5 years ago. They were active in changing the advocacy of mining in Australia to support the farce – successive Chars and Ceos of the Mineral Council have been women active in politics not mining. BHP even advertise that each wind turbine requires 3 tonne of copper. There has never been a better time to be working in the Australian extractive industries. There will continue to be strong demand for thermal coal and ever growing demand for iron ore, met coal, copper, aluminium, rare earths and so on that are required to build the monuments to the climate gods.

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        Tel

        Australia’s mini commodity boom is being driven by this.

        https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?g=H97E

        I have shares in ASX:RRL (Gold), ASX:FMG (Iron) and ASX:SFR (Copper) and all of them are getting their price whacked right now … presumably other people believe the commodity price inflation is “transitory”. Personally I think it will last at least a few years longer, although ultimately the central banks around the world are printing so much cash that no one really knows where it will end up.

        As the ALP discovered … never trust a commodity boom to deliver without a backup plan. It’s good when it happens, and then just like that it ends.

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          Sceptical+Sam

          You’ve lifted your skirts, Tel.

          No coal? Why?

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          clarence.t

          Yep, Fortescue shares have been hammered the last few weeks. 🙁

          But the year or two before that they were going up very nicely.

          I’m hoping that patience will bring them back up a bit !

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      yarpos

      Corporate Australia is hooked on the latest management craze ESG. Not only do they look cool to other management types by using the “right” buzzword but they think they are virtue signalling to the max.

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    Destroyer D69

    This is fast becoming “404ed” Why????? https://dcfpress.com/the-spartacus-letter-zerohedge-posted-nwo-vaccinemandate-vaccine/ The text, without the references can still be found at ZeroHedge at the moment!!!!!

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    Mark+Allinson

    “Wonder what it could be in Australia?”

    It’s probably very similar to the UK.

    And if the Government’s “pandemic response” was motivated by a desire to keep people healthy then natural immunity would be valued and protected.

    But it isn’t – and they don’t care if the jab erases your excellent immunity and replaces it with a short-lived, inferior immunity – just so long as you get the jab (or two, or three, or four …).

    The ever-moving promise of freedom for those who accept the jab means that they are now onboard the Vaxx Express, and if they (like the jabbed of Israel) want to be considered one of the special “vaccinated” who alone are qualified to hold the vaxx passports, they must take the next “booster” – and the next, forevermore.

    Though you might have taken all four shots so far, miss the next booster and you are now one of the despised “Unvaccinated.”

    Best to keep your sleeve rolled up.

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    David Maddison

    Interesting video about music written in 5/4 time signature.

    https://youtu.be/KQ76-WiFTlo

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    Mark+Allinson

    Just received an email from the Government:

    “When NSW reaches the 70% full vaccination target, the rules about what you can and can’t do will change.

    While this means some easing of restrictions for people who are fully vaccinated or have a medical exemption, stay at home rules will either continue or reapply for people who are unvaccinated in rural and regional NSW.”

    So, either accept your participation in the world’s largest experimental drug trial or we will keep you under house-arrest until you do.

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      PeterS

      I’ll stay at home until the “trials” are over and then I can be more assured as to which vaccine to take, if any. Good luck everyone.

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    TdeF

    On so called Climate Change, the Labor party in the UK are going hard “Shadow chancellor pledges an extra £28 billion a year to tackle climate change”. They are going to try to stop the planet warming by more than 1.5C by 2100. Can anyone explain why?

    After over a third of a century of rapid Armageddon tipping point man made Global Warming and Climate Extinction, surely someone on either side of politics will say what Tony Abbott said, that Climate Change is crap? It’s a sort of madness.

    Think of the good that would be done. Not least by the promised warming.

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    beowulf

    Your ABC is carrying this story without the slightest hint of irony or self-awareness.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-28/uk-contaminated-blood-scandal-affected-thousands/100351368

    UK contaminated blood scandal: schoolboy survivors say they were ‘injected with death’.

    Haemophiliac boys in a special UK school were given blood transfusions contaminated with HIV and Hep C during the 1970s and 80s.

    Of 89 boys from that era, only 17 old boys still survive, most succumbed years ago to the effects of blood contamination. It was covered up for 30 years.

    Fast forward to 2021 — let’s pump more spike proteins (and who knows what else) en masse into perfectly healthy kids who are almost completely unaffected by COVID and mostly already carry natural immunity to it.

    They are into the 12 year olds now and coming for the 2 year olds.

    Will anyone be left alive in 30 years to complain on their behalf?

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    el+gordo

    ‘Former JCU Marine Physicist Peter Ridd says the Great Barrier Reef is now experiencing “record high coral cover”.

    “This is data that’s been accumulated over a little while now and it shows … it’s actually at record high coral cover,” he told Sky News Australia.

    “We’ve got more coral on the Great Barrier Reef now than we did when records began in 1985.

    “We’ve got twice as much coral as we had after huge cyclones went through the reef in about 2011 and 2012, and this record-high coral cover is despite supposedly having three catastrophic unprecedented bleaching events in just the last five years.

    “So you’ve just got to wonder were those bleaching events maybe as catastrophic as these experts supposedly claimed.” (Sky)

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      Hanrahan

      “We’ve got more coral on the Great Barrier Reef now than we did when records began in 1985.

      If that’s when records began then I can’t accuse cherry-picking start dates but the COT had been ravaged the GBR for 23 tears before then. Don’t think I exaggerate when I say devastated, I saw it before and after.

      With respect Peter, you never saw saw it in all its splendour. No one at JCU or AIMS today has. Dr Robert Endean, who tragically died before he could complete his work, may have some insights and descriptive passages.

      Undated from AIMS:

      Since 1962, crown-of-thorns starfish outbreaks have had a major impact on the many reefs that make up the Great Barrier Reef. A fourth outbreak is currently underway in the World-Heritage Area.

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    John Connor II

    An international group of physicians and scientists signed a declaration Friday accusing COVID-19 policy-makers of “crimes against humanity” for preventing the use of life saving treatments on their patients.

    As of Monday morning, the Physicians Declaration had garnered more than 4,600 signatures. The signers accused policymakers of forcing a “one-size-fits-all” treatment strategy, resulting in “needless illness and death,” rather than “upholding fundamental concepts of the individualized.”

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/4600-doctors-scientists-accuse-covid-policymakers-crimes-against-humanity/

    Declaration here:
    https://doctorsandscientistsdeclaration.org/

    Time for Aussie doctors to show some backbone too!

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    OldOzzie

    Coles warns of Christmas supply crunch, staffing challenges under pandemic rules

    Coles Group is bracing for “difficult months ahead” in the run-up to Christmas as it contends with severely disrupted supply chains and strict Covid rules that are forcing thousands of its staff into 14-day home isolation to guard against the spread of the virus.

    Speaking at a Trans-Tasman Business Circle event on Tuesday, Coles CEO Steven Cain revealed that 3000 of the supermarket giant’s staff were currently at home isolating, while many of its suppliers were also struggling with staff challenges due to the strict stay-at-home rules.

    “At this point, with Delta, we’re at our most difficult stage. We’ve got many team members in isolation, we’ve got severely disrupted supply chains, and we’ve got people working very hard,” Mr Cain said.

    “Right now across the country we’ve got 3000 team members in isolation, which we have to manage, and then we’ve got a lot of our suppliers in similar situations … so thinking about how we plan for Christmas is really important.”

    Victoria is just “at the start” of the staffing and supply challenges, he warned, as he detailed the retailer’s interactions with governments around the country as it looks to get the isolation rules relaxed.

    “We’re working with the six health authorities, the federal and the states and territories, to try and get consistent rules and regulations, particularly around where there‘s been close contact,” he said.

    “If a team member of ours has caught Covid outside of work, and they come into work, the whole shift goes down. So we lose 50 people at a time for 14 days, because one person has turned up.”

    The retailer had had no known incidents of Covid being transmitted between staff members, he added.

    “So we’re using facts to go back to the governments, and the NSW government has been excellent at re-looking at what makes a close contact, and what the subsequent events are.

    “We’re working to get the rules changed so that if you are double-vaccinated and you’re being tested, you can still turn up for work.”

    It would be “another couple of difficult months ahead” until the nation got above 80 per cent fully vaccinated, he warned.

    Alongside the supply chain and staff challenges, Coles is also feeling the impact of restrictions currently in place for the construction industry.

    “We’ve got hundreds of millions of dollars of projects, almost frozen at the moment in New South Wales and Victoria because of construction stoppages or delays,” Mr Cain said.

    “You just have to work around it and so I think we‘ve all become a lot more agile and flexible in how we think about the business.”

    On the prospect of mandating vaccinations, Mr Cain said Coles was reserving the right to mandate but he preferred it to be government-led.

    “We see the airline industry as being quite different from a supermarket. We‘ve served, since Covid began, 1.2 billion customers safely in our stores through the protocols that we have in place,” he told the audience.

    “In our environment the distribution centres are the highest risk place, and those are the ones where we‘ve set up vaccination centres.”

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      Forrest Gardener

      1nteresting. My question is why you would need to be injected to work if you had a negative test?

      Rapid testing + effective anti-viral = virus disappears.

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    David Maddison

    I remember some years ago the food supplement industry was terribly denigrated by the Establishment / Big Pharma by saying that people in Western countries on typical diets don’t need supplements.

    But we know on a typical diet you can still be easily deficient in certain micronutrients such as Vitamin D and zinc, two substances that are deficiency of will make you far more susceptible to covid.

    Micronutrients supplementation can be necessary because deficiencies can exist.

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      Tilba+Tilba

      But we know on a typical diet you can still be easily deficient in certain micronutrients such as Vitamin D and zinc, two substances that are deficiency of will make you far more susceptible to covid.

      If you have a good healthy diet, you don’t need any supplements whatsoever – nothing. I’m almost 70 and have eaten pretty well my whole life, and am not over-weight – why do I need any of this stuff? You’re just handing over $$$ to the fake health industry.

      I am also double-vaccinated AZ.

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      Tel

      It’s a soil problem.

      Most of Australian soils are constantly “supplemented” by fertilizer, and without that we would get a tiny fraction of our food production. Minerals like Copper and Iron are naturally plentiful in Australian soils … but Zinc is not so common. Trace elements like Magnesium, Manganese, Chromium, Selenium, etc could be up, down, anything.

      If you buy a carrot at the supermarket, which soil was it grown in? What fertilizer was used? How much extra metals were in that fertilizer? You have no idea, and there’s no way to have the conversation because you don’t even know who the farmer was. In theory you could pay for a full mineral analysis of that carrot but next week a different carrot would be sitting in the same supermarket.

      I’ve noticed that fertilizer bags have started giving full mineral breakdown, including a lot of metals, but that’s not visible to the end consumer and wouldn’t change the price in any case. You could grow your own carrots and carefully check all the soil conditions but who has time for that? Instead, simply buying food supplements is cheaper and easier.

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        PTR

        What could be added to that is if optimum production is the goal of the producer, then it is customary for them to have their soil nutrients supplemented, to be at that level required to achieve their goal. This may not be the case regarding some organic production, with that factor alone contributing to above average returns.

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          Tel

          The optimum production of carrots is not the same as the production of optimum carrots.

          Point is that the vegetable will grow despite lack of certain metals, that would be of benefit to the human eating said vegetable. However, there is no easy way for the buyer to evaluate which trace elements are contained in any particular purchase … and the majority of buyers don’t even care enough to try to figure it out.

          The label “organic” does not relate to any specific nutrient and IMHO it’s questionable exactly what benefit it confers, but others will differ in that opinion I’m sure.

          The cheapest, easiest, and most reliable fallback is buy the vitamin pills in the bottle and then at least you have a guaranteed supply of what you need.

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    PeterS

    I’m getting various hints that Florida is a good place to live. Anyone with personal experience? I might add it to my list of possible destinations if I need to escape from Australia if things get much worse.

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      David Maddison

      The Biden regime doesn’t want civilised, educated people to go to America.

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      Serp

      There might be hordes of escaping kiwis ahead of you to judge by this article https://spectator.com.au/2021/09/no-new-zealand-is-not-aotearoa/

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        Kim

        English is a combination of Parisienne French and Nordic German. A true international language.

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          Bozotheclown

          English is a combination of Parisienne French and Nordic German. A true international language.

          Doesn’t sound very “indigenous” to me. Go away before I taunt you some more-silly knigits.

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      Gabriel Pentelie

      I moved to Florida from Illinois more than 10 years ago. Haven’t regretted it in the least. And, during the past couple of years, not a month goes by that I don’t appreciate living here more and more. We dodged a bullet in 2018, when we elected Ron DeSantis as Governor. His policy responses/adjustments to COVID have been outstanding. Fact-based and in keeping with both the U.S. and Florida constitutions. The courage he’s displayed in standing up to the enormous external (and some internal) pressures to adopt and enforce authoritarian mandates of various sorts has been something to behold. They (the Dems, media, the public health establishment, etc.) have been throwing everything they could at him for over a year now (including the attempt to lionize a former state functionary who claimed that the state’s health department had been manipulating COVID case and death data at his direction, claims that have been thoroughly discredited, and who was discovered to be a serial nutcase throughout her academic and professional career, to use an unkind term). He’s not only survived, but has thrived under this onslaught. I couldn’t be more thrilled to live in a state with such a Governor.

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      Tel

      Tom Woods speaks well of Florida.

      Not an easy option for Australians to move halfway around the world, try to get a green card, start your life from scratch. I couldn’t go through that.

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    Serp

    Is it just my connection or do others see only the headline data accompanied by “Report not found” at the NSW daily ICU report https://covidlive.com.au/report/daily-icu/nsw ?

    I had the page up from five days ago and it was populated but upon refreshing to see today’s numbers …

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    David Maddison

    This is an extremely important paper describing how inappropriate administration of the covid vaccine intravenously instead of intramuscularly as required can have serious consequences such as Myopericarditis.

    It is remarkable that at least in the US and UK (as reported) vaccine administrators don’t withdraw the syringe plunger to ensure the tip of the needle is in a muscle and not a blood vessel. Apparently this requirement was removed by the CDC and the relevant UK body.

    Does anyone know what the practice is in Australia?

    Dr John Campbell talks about it here: https://youtu.be/nBaIRm4610o

    Intravenous Injection of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) mRNA Vaccine Can Induce Acute Myopericarditis in Mouse Model 

    https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab707/6353927

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      Tilba+Tilba

      What absolute piffling nonsense, Maddison. Vaccines in Australia are administered intra-muscular only.

      You are doing nothing but creating laughable strawmen. If you do not want to get a vaccine, that’s fine, but DO NOT BORE US with ball this snake-oil fake science, please.

      [The nonsense is yours alone Tilba. Dr. John Campbell has been tireless offering sane information in a sea of misinformation regarding COVID. In the link David Maddison provided, Dr Campbell is talking about HOW the jabs are given and that without aspiration (drawing back on the syringe) the person administering the dose cannot know if they have inadvertently put the needle into a vessel not just muscle. This is simply common professional knowledge yet is not part of CDC or WHO instruction. Further Dr. Campbell offers research to back up his concern that apparently even lab mice know.] ED

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      Serp

      So a mystery is solved as to how some young boys are developing the heart problems after a jab.

      Eventually, on your Nth booster, you’ll get jabbed by some daydreaming klutz who injects into the bloodstream and adios heart function thereafter.

      Here in Victoria inexperienced needle operators are being recruited statewide to ramp up the vaccine rollout particularly in the bush. She’ll be right mate innit?

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        beowulf

        Yep, when I line up with the sheep to get my 4th or 5th or 6th jab — after I’m already “fully vaccinated” of course — I’ll definitely be going to some 18 year old pharmacy assistant who had 2 hours of training to do the deed: “No sweety, you stick me with the sharp end”. A true professional.

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          MP

          Speaking of two hours training. Handling livestock requires injecting various drugs into the animals for various conditions, you must be vet certified on injections to allow you access to normally prescription medication. I have delivered hundreds of doses, from my dogs up to cattle. Always draw back for blood. Cattle for market you go into the neck muscle, breeders you may rump them, but this is frowned upon.
          Penicillin is the most dangerous due to viscosity, but I have drawn back blood more then a few times. Remove try again.

          The mussels are red for a reason, they are full of blood and that blood is mobile throughout the body, I don’t by the “stays at the injection site” spin either, that is how the drugs are carried throughout the body. Every junkie still alive knows to draw back, for the opposite reason though.

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      Fran

      This is being put around to make the vaccine sound safe, if only it was administered the right way. Think of the last time you cut up a solid piece to meat from something as big as a cow. Kid you see any arteries (or veins) big enough that you could inject into them? Even in meat that has not been properly bled you will not find them. The fact is the vaccine goes all over the body and makes spike proteins.

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        beowulf

        Whilst I agree with you that the vaccine components/products end up all over the body doing their damage, you are mistaken about hitting veins.

        Arteries are not an issue as they are well away from the injection site, but I did intra-muscular injections in cattle for many years and I can assure you it is quite easy to hit a major vein in the muscle that becomes the prime cuts of meat. We always withdrew the plunger to check before injecting.

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    Serp

    Fuel shortages and restrictions on how much can be purchased in the UK. And this is petrol. I think I read they have five days gas in reserve.

    How has such a SNAFU arisen? It couldn’t be the policy settings imposed by Mrs Boris surely.

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    Serp

    Here we go again with the North Koreans firing missiles into the sea because they want something. Didn’t Orange Man eliminate that behaviour?

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    el+gordo

    Black Summer Bushfires were so hot they cooled the Southern Hemisphere.

    https://www.eenews.net/articles/wildfires-were-so-hot-they-cooled-the-planet/

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    Tilba+Tilba

    Every single mcconnell republican just voted to blow up the entire economy and start a depression for no reason except because the President is a Democrat.

    Absolutely every Republican is a traitor to their country and their constitution.

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      clarence.t

      It is the Democrats and Biden the puppet, that are destroying the USA.

      Their whole agenda is right on track to send the USA back to the dark ages.

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    David Maddison

    Origins of English from Wikipedia article.

    A computerized survey of about 80,000 words in the old Shorter Oxford Dictionary (3rd ed.) was published in Ordered Profusion by Thomas Finkenstaedt and Dieter Wolff (1973) that estimated the origin of English words as follows:

    French: 28.30% Latin, including modern scientific and technical Latin: 28.24% Germanic languages – inherited from Old English, from Proto-Germanic, or a more recent borrowing from a Germanic language such as Old Norse; does not include Germanic words borrowed from a Romance language, i.e., coming from the Germanic element in French, Latin or other Romance languages: 25% Greek: 5.32% No etymology given: 4.04% Derived from proper names: 3.28% All other languages: less than 1%

    A survey by Joseph M. Williams in Origins of the English Language of 10,000 words taken from several thousand business letters gave this set of statistics:

    French (langue d’oïl): 41% “Native” English: 33% Latin: 15% Old Norse: 5% Dutch: 1% Other: 5%

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    OldOzzie

    ‘UFO’ Spotted Over Australia Could Be A Rocket From China

    KEY POINTS

    The strange object that flew over Australia Monday night was allegedly a Long March 3B rocket from China
    It reportedly launched from the Chinese city of Xichang and appeared as a white disc-shaped object in the sky
    The rocket was launched after Australia, the U.S. and the U.K. announced a new alliance against China
    An unidentified object that flew over the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland Monday was allegedly a space rocket launched by China.

    The object, identified as a Long March 3B rocket, reportedly launched from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center in China at around 6:20 p.m. Monday, according to The Daily Telegraph.

    Sightings of the rocket, which appeared as a white disc-shaped object that crossed the night sky, prompted many to share photos and clips of it on social media.

    Footage of the Long March 3B spotted by residents in Sydney, the Central Coast and Dubbo showed a plume coming out behind it, as per 7News.com.au.

    “China launched a Long March 3B around that time. We might have seen the plume from it,” astrophysicist Brad Tucker wrote on Twitter.

    “The plume is like exhaust, gas coming out during launch of the rocket. Sometimes if it happens in the evening, you can see the stranger shape and sight” he explained.

    The rocket is rumored to be part of a new generation of navigation satellites that broadcast in 4K and 8K resolutions.

    The launch occurred after Australia, the United States and the United Kingdom announced a new security partnership to strengthen military capabilities against China, but Tucker claimed the timing was not unusual.

    The Track on Channel 7 6pm news showed the track directly over Sydney – some sort of hint how quickly they coould Nuke us?

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      Hanrahan

      There was only one Chamberlin who claimed “Peace in our time” in 1938. Today the world seems full of Chamberlins bought off with a few pieces of Chinese silver.

      Xi Jinping rates right up there with Hitler and Tojo when judging their threats to world peace. The Russians have been unreliable allies and dogged enemies but they did not actually start a major war in the 20th century. Maybe the Winter War against Finland was not a good omen.

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        el+gordo

        This is not history repeating, the world has changed dramatically. The Chinese lower middle class is still capable of revolution, dictatorial arrogance and ignorance inevitably leads to chaos.

        ‘State media now says 20 out of 31 provincial jurisdictions have implemented electricity-rationing measures since mid-September.

        ‘Total coal inventory at China’s major power-generation groups is just 11.31 million tonnes – enough to meet demand for only about two weeks.’ (SCMP)

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    another ian

    H

    Depends on the grade of stainless. I’m no expert but IIRC 316 is better than 312.

    A bloke from around boat building said you need a magnet – the high resistance SS won’t stick to the magnet.

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    Tel

    Question to check if anyone is awake, who stated the following?

    Our work in Yunnan, China shows that: 1) bat SARSr-CoVs exist that can infect human cells, produce SARS-like illness in humanized mice, and are not affected by monoclonal or vaccine treatment; and 2) bat SARSr-CoV host-jump into local human populations is frequent. These viruses are therefore a clear and present danger to US defense forces in the region and global health security.

    Hopefully there’s enough clues in that.

    For bonus points … the term “humanized mice” is generic, and can refer to various types of mice, but which mouse in particular was referred to in the above quote, and why?

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      Serp

      Peter Daszak was my guess. A search found the quote https://drasticresearch.files.wordpress.com/2021/09/executive-slide-hr00118s0017-ecohealth-alliance-defuse.pdf in the IMPACT panel’s second dot point.

      As to the bonus points which mouse I’m stumped.

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        Tel

        The mice he used were modified to have a human version of the ACE2 receptor on their lung cells. That makes their lungs functionally equivalent to human lungs, and therefore any virus that has successfully achieved endemic respiratory infection in a colony of lab mice would very easily spread to real humans.

        This has been suspected for some time.

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7435492/

        Moreover, when a furin cleavage site was introduced to the IBV coronavirus spike‐protein via recombination, just like influenza viruses hosting this feature, it appeared to impart it with increased lethality as well as inflict neurological symptoms that had never previously been reported in studies of the murine IBV coronavirus. The presence of this cleavage site also increased damage to the respiratory and urinary systems, paralleling SARS‐CoV‐2 systemic multiorgan symptoms—especially reports that infection with the novel coronavirus not only targets the lungs where it binds to ACE2 receptors, but also the entire cardiovascular system, the nervous system, and our kidneys as well. It might be more than a coincidence that the Vero cells often used in serial passage are derived from kidney epithelial cells extracted from African green monkeys, which have ACE2 receptors very similar to those found in humans and would be shared by the humanized mice that are also used for serial passage research.

        We now have confirmation of the suspicion. Dr Daszak put in a detailed application for NIH money where he explained that he would be using humanized mice with modified ACE2 receptors as an intermediate test animal to explore the possibility of virus crossover. The above paragraph and leaked presentation slide proves that this crossover was achieved, and more than that, Dr Daszak did indeed know exactly what way going on.

        The “serial passage” system is essentially a compromise between outright genetic engineering (which can leave obvious fingerprints) and natural evolution. What you do is setup the optimal circumstance for viral crossover by hopping the wild sample onto some cultured cells, then onto the humanized mice. After that it’s ready to make the easy hop into humans. An accelerated and selective version of natural evolution which is arguably “dual use” in as much as it might be simply a test to see whether the species crossover happens, but on the other hand if you do enough of it with well chosen intermediate points then sooner or later that’s exactly what’s gonna happen.

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    CHRIS

    For what is worth…I think that COVID 19 was deliberately released from a Wuhan laboratory, as a “rehearsal” ; to see how far the strain affected the global population, in order to deliberately introduce a more virulent strain as a biological weapon. Outcome? Defeat of the Occidentals.

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      el+gordo

      Not quite, bit like shooting yourself in the foot.

      In reality they were designing a weapon that could be released, as a last resort, by despatch agents in specific locations. How to win a war without a shot being fired.

      As it stands, Covid’s accidental release has been a wakeup call, biological warfare would be a disaster for humanity.

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        OldOzzie

        El G How to win a war without a shot being fired.

        China has won it by destroying Western Economies supported by Useless Politicians, Incompetent CHO’s, and Pant Wetting Journalists of Fear

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    greggg

    ‘Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Masks, and the Deadly Falsehoods Surrounding Them’

    https://www.justfacts.com/news_face_masks_deadly_falsehoods

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    John+Culhane

    100% hospitalised had the vaccine in NSW. Looks like you can’t depend on the vaccine strategy as the sole means to prevent a poor outcome, I thought it was meant to keep you out of hospital.

    https://twitter.com/michaelpbreton/status/1441408128570986497

    Here is something else that is only bubbling up now from Karl Denninger who recovered from Covid.
    Old folks home in Spain used a combination of anti-histamines to manage Covid infections back in 2020.

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243683

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    Gabriel Pentelie

    The Babylon Bee, with a well deserved humoristic jab at Australia’s stunningly swift devolution into authoritarianism:

    “SYDNEY—Australian hospitals are bursting at the seams, having reached their breaking point after being flooded with patients during the pandemic. The Australians streaming into the hospitals don’t have COVID, though, but instead are just bloodied and bruised from cops beating them up for not wearing masks, going outside for fresh air, and talking to other people.”

    https://babylonbee.com/news/australian-hospitals-over-capacity-with-people-beaten-by-police-for-not-wearing-masks

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      OldOzzie

      Fabulous sent to MPs List

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        MP

        Dear Old Ozzie.

        I have recently received an email from you regarding the Babylon Bee article.
        After reviewing the document I noted the two anti-vaxxers were not wearing masks, in the hospital environment this is more atrocious behaviour. Your concerns have been forwarded to the “police” for further action.

        Thank you for bringing this crime to my attention.

        Your loyal servant.

        MP

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    Travis T. Jones

    “The vaccine doesn’t work” announcement by Vic Health …

    https://mobile.twitter.com/good_is_real/status/1442774698471804929

    The ‘vaccine’ makes it less likely you will need to go to hospital …. oh!

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    another ian

    From a comment at Chiefio –

    “And lastly, a disconcerting announcement from Canada. If you are sick at home but not tested, you are part of the outbreak.

    https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/wait-wait-what-duh-fuk-did-i-just-hear-in-canada/

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    el+gordo

    ‘The NSW government has set new climate change targets at the same time as Canberra bickers over committing to net zero emissions.’ (SMH)

    Premiers Gladys is so green, disgraceful, which proves beyond reasonable doubt that there is nobody to vote for at the next state election.

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      Neville

      EG you can still vote for a minor party like ON and NSW leader is Mark Latham and ex ALP leader.
      But I’m not telling anyone how to vote, but there are other alternatives.
      Myself I’ll be putting Greens and ALP stone motherless last on my ballot paper. ALWAYS.

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        Hanrahan

        It’s simple vote lib or lab. In the vast majority of house seats any other option is exhausted. Most “independents” are phoneys, labor who won’t show their true colours.

        After Rudd and the Ranga I will NEVER vote lab again.

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          el+gordo

          A vote for an independent is regarded as a wasted vote, but with nothing else on show there is little alternative.

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    Analitik

    95% of Victorians hospitalized with CoViD are vaccinated of which 78% are fully vaccinated. Dan Andrews continues to call it an epidemic of the unvaccinated.

    https://youtu.be/hNIj83XNNeE

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    Neville

    Andrew Bolt is now openly calling their so called climate change “a CULT”.
    It’s very obvious this is a religious cult and of course their loony followers have no interest in data and evidence.
    But Bolt is the only person to always tell us the truth and he always quotes proper DATA/ EVIDENCE to support his claims.
    He’s always attacked by the know nothing lefties and yet some who should know better also nit pick against him although he has stood alone in the MSM for decades.
    He always has the most viewers and comments, just check out below this very recent video.
    Let’s hope the very popular Sky News Outsider’s team also starts to increase the pressure in the lead up to fra-dulent COP 26 booze up in Glasgow.
    BTW whatever the outcome we can be sure that the Lomborg team will spill the beans and their proper data/ evidence will tell us the truth post the Glasgow idiocy.
    Wait and see.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-tq5Qd-HTc

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      Why do you say Bolt is the only one to call out the Climate change scam ?
      A Jones was always on that fight, as is the “Outsiders “ group and even Paul Murry.

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        Neville

        Yes Chad, but Bolt has been the one that lefties hate the most and Jones never had them as worried as Bolt over the years.
        But I also expect Jones to rev up as the Glasgow clown show looms closer.
        Yes the Latham created Outsiders is very good but they are still fairly recent to the fight.
        But after Glasgow Lomborg will be the best source of their idiocy and carefully dissected point by point.

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          el+gordo

          Rohan Dean is still good value, global cooling is on the agenda.

          Lomborg will always be there to dissect the entrails, no matter if its warmer or cooler.

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    Fran

    Every time I am in close contact (in the house) with someone recently vaccinated, I get tingling/burning in my hands and feet. I am wondering if contact with a vaccinated person produces antibodies. If so, some of those who test antibody+ might not have had an asymptomatic infection, but have inhaled? spike proteins given off by someone else.

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    Neville

    BTW this is the countries’ co2 emissions graph I’d choose to BILLBOARD across Glasgow in NOV.
    This should be prominently displayed at their BOOZE up conference and everywhere across the city.
    NOTE China, India and developing countries soaring co2 emissions for decades and EU + USA combined no higher than 1970 or 1990. DUH.
    And Boris + Biden are trying to convince so called wealthy OECD countries to fork over another 100 billion $ to these con merchants and layabouts?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions#/media/File:World_fossil_carbon_dioxide_emissions_six_top_countries_and_confederations.png

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      Ahh , yes but sadly the Warmist / UN reference has switched to this version of presenting the data .. “per capita” ..! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions#/media/File%3A2018_Worldwide_CO2_Emissions_(by_region%2C_per_capita)%2C_variwide_chart.png
      ..note how that re-arranges the targets to suit the preferred argument.

      In the meantime i would be happy just to see a clear, agreed, definition of the “Net Zero” that everyone keeps referring to ?

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        Neville

        Yes Chad but the entire SH is also a NET co2 SINK ( 0.8 bn) and the NH is the NET co2 source. ( 7 bn people) I’ve linked to the CSIRO at Cape Grim Tassie before.
        So they can believe in their fairy tale fantasies or follow the real world data.
        BTW NZ had a govt audit that found that NET ZERO for their 0.1% of global co2 emissions would cost them about 5 trillion $.
        So using that calculation Australian cost would be about 55 T $, the USA about 690 T $, the EU about 480 T S and China about 1450 T $.
        Anyone starting to see a problem? OH and world GDP is about 88 T $ a year.
        But it can’t happen and the economic chaos and misery would see the people turn on their govts the moment the crap started to hit the fan.

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        Neville

        Chad here’s another reason that their TOXIC, delusional S&W disasters would never work.
        This only takes about 5 minutes of your time and this video should be compulsory viewing for the Glasgow COP 26 loonies in NOV.
        Mark Mills is exceptional as are Prager Uni, but would the loonies understand the truth anyway?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqppRC37OgI

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      el+gordo

      Clearly they weren’t thinking of the grandchildren.

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    clarence.t

    Totally off topic, even for “off-topic”

    Doesn’t anyone else’s bottle brush plants go this crazy ?

    https://i.postimg.cc/0NCQW0jK/Bottlebrush.jpg

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      yarpos

      Yep, its a big year for them in our region

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      Vicki

      It is an exceptional spring, I think. Mine the same. Small mercy in these awful times.

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      Kalm Keith

      That’s a colour I haven’t seen before. It’s interesting the variations you can find down near the Victorian border.

      A few weeks back, when not in lockdown, there were some long ones seen on Stephens peak up in Nelson Bay.

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    MP

    By Daily Expose on September 26, 2021

    On Monday September 20th, two top pathologists held a press conference in Germany to reveal their findings of an investigation into ten deaths linked to the Covid-19 vaccines, and what they revealed is shocking.

    The press conference took place at the Institute of Pathology in Reutinglen, Germany; of which Professor Arne Burkhardt has been in charge of for over eighteen years. Professor Burkhardt held the press conference alongside another experienced pathologist, Professor Walter Yang who has headed a private institute specialising in lung pathology for the past 35 years, among other appointments.

    In collaboration with several other anonymous pathologists, Professor Arne Burkhardt and Professor Walter Yang investigated ten deaths that had occurred after the person had received the Covid-19 vaccine, and this is what they found…

    Of the ten deaths, the two Professors confirmed that they concluded five were very likely due to the Covid-19 vaccine, two were probably related to the vaccine, one was inconclusive, and two they concluded had no relation to the Covid-19 vaccine.

    https://cairnsnews.org/2021/09/29/pathologists-reveal-astonishing-results-of-investigation-into-ten-deaths-linked-to-the-covid-19-vaccines/

    The link within goes to the Daily Expose. I do not know if the photo’s attached are legit. The links within the link are in Dutch and appear to want to sell me a shirt.

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      Vicki

      Saw these autopsy reports. Agree that whether tissues samples are authentic, who knows. But given the status of the pathologists I would think they are authentic. And, really, are we surprised.? It is exactly as the dissenting virologists have been warning.

      Just heard of aborted pregnancy of friend’s daughter-in-law due to severely malformed foetus. Vaccination absolutely not mentioned………what can you say? It is heart breaking.

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    yarpos

    No influenza, no pnuemonia yet VIC hospitals are presented as perpetually on the brink because of a few hundred with Covid.

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    robert rosicka

    I can’t work out why so many victorians are stuck in NSW , blocked from entering (although a trial run is being allowed) . The border at Howlong has no roadblocks either side of the border .

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