18 US States file against 4 corrupt States that failed to hold fair elections

If this isn’t a Constitutional Crisis, what is?

Eighteen US States are now so convinced of election fraud they are filing against Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Georgia for their failure to hold free and fair elections as demanded by the Constitution.

Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmitt led his colleagues from Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, and West Virginia in filing the amicus brief to the US Supreme Court on Wednesday.

The amici “have a strong interest in ensuring that the votes of their own citizens are not diluted by the unconstitutional administration of elections in other States,” says the 30-page brief, adding that when other bodies in those states encroach on the authority of their legislatures – the only ones constitutionally entrusted with elections – “they threaten the liberty, not just of their own citizens, but of every citizen of the United States who casts a lawful ballot in that election.”

Even Arizona has joined in. (It has different legal issues than the four so named).

The seed of Civil War 2.0 was fertilized by overt, in-your-face obvious corruption. No one needs a judge to rule on the ocean of videos showing flagrant cheating. Only six weeks ago the world took for granted that the United States held fairer elections than Venezuela, Russia, China and Belarus. Now we hope that the crisis can be resolved without bloodshed by the Supreme Court, or the State legislatures.  That’s what they are there for.

The point of elections is to stop civil wars

Free and fair elections are there to prevent a situation where more than half the country feels it is being abused, used and has no possible remedy to improve the injustice. It’s not about Trump or Biden. In every other election for the last 200+ years the losers knew they could toss out the corrupt in four years time. But not any more. If the cheaters win this time, there is no next time. If they are rewarded why wouldn’t cheaters cheat again?

Back up plan. How to throw off a corrupt government: break up the USA

It’s no accident Texas tossed in the flaming secession card – how else can state under a Biden Phony Democracy get a government ruled by the people, for the people.

Texit?  Should Texas be its own nation again? Secession talk returns with proposed Texas Independence Referendum Act

Republican state Rep. Kyle Biedermann of Fredericksburg announced Tuesday his intention to introduce the Texas Independence Referendum Act, which he said would allow Texans to vote for the state to “reassert its status as an independent nation.”

“The federal government is out of control and doesn’t represent the values of Texans,” Biedermann said in a statement. “That is why I am committing to file legislation that will allow a referendum to give Texans a vote for the State of Texas to reassert its status as an independent nation. #Texit #txlege”

Hopefully this is the moment the State Legislatures grow some vertebrae and stand up for their honest voters who were shafted by states that are incompetent, compromised or in bed with foreign players.

 

 

From the comments at Instapundit:

I wonder if the left, and the court, realize this is a hail mary to prevent a civil war, not to keep Trump in office. 30% of democrats and 80+% of republicans think the election was stolen. That is a loss of legitimacy of the nation’s governments from the state level through the federal.

Glenn Reynolds:

They are children playing with nitroglycerin, so no, they won’t realize that. At least, not in time

 

Will the Western “free press” even mention the US is in a constitutional crisis?

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    David Maddison

    If President Trump doesn’t win his rightful position he needs to lead his people to take it by whatever Constitutional means possible.

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      PeterS

      The last resort is the Insurrection Act et al. He could use it to instigate martial law and hold fresh elections, especially if more hard evidence is exposed to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that voter fraud at key states was conducted extensively. How can one have a situation like that and call it a Constitutional Republic? It simply can’t be possible. Of all places in the world, Americans will not stand for corrupt elections on such a massive scale.

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        sophocles

        One has to ponder if that’s at all influencing Suckerburg’s unloading since November 9th sale of his Farcebook stock — turn it into more portable means of exchange before fleeing …

        (https://richardsonpost.com/howellwoltz/19243/did-president-trump-just-go-nuclear/) Is EO 13848 now in play?

        We’re in Interesting Times.

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          Ted O'Brien.

          Exquisite! Turn the figurative guns around! No need to bring your own!

          It was always inconceivable for me to imagine that Trump would not engineer a defence against a repeat of what we saw in 2016 and since. It seems Barack had already done it!

          With Zuckerberg already on the run how far behind are the rest? And where can they go? The “friends” they failed won’t want them.

          The Great Reset is coming much sooner than anybody expected. And it won’t be anything like anybody expected!

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      Curious George

      “18 US States file against 4 corrupt States”. Against swing states, actually. No one filed against New York, Massachusetts, California, Oregon, or Washington. Let’s get realistic.

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      M Seward

      Mate, at the beginning of its first line this article cites Russia Today of all sources.

      Says it all.

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        M Seward

        Case thrown out by SCOTUS 7-2 with the 2 saying they would have heard the case but ruled against the plaintiff, i.e. 9-zip.

        Now that says it all.

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    John

    Let’s face it. The Democrats attempted a coup and have nearly got away with it thanks to the US mainstream media and the law enforcement agencies that failed to act despite the evidence and substantial allegations (but would have been all over any attempted coup by Republicans).

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      Dennis

      Infiltrated media companies influenced by large shareholders who are the globalist socialists intent on creating a new world order, climate hoax tactic now their great reset:build back better tactic based on COVID-19 controls and management of the people but if they succeed, for ever more.

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        PeterS

        That is very important to note. The climate change scam and the fraudulent election by the left are tightly tied together. Not just because the two are the result of the actions by the globalist left, but also because they have admitted they are linked. It’s all in the open in their Great Reset plan published on the internet. They are not even trying to hide it. In fact they are boasting about it loud and clear.

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          Serp

          Allow them their few remaining weeks of freedom to put their affairs in order before being frozen in the spotlight as the present unease about turns to outright condemnation of the conduct of the election by the CCP-Biden puppeteers.

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      OriginalSteve

      A Michigan state parliament member …well then….

      “Johnson also issued a threat to Trump supporters, urging so-called Democrat-supporting “soldiers” to go after “Trumpers” and “make them pay.”

      See actual video at link below:

      https://newspunch.com/rep-cynthia-johnson-stripped-from-committee-after-threats-to-trump-supporters/

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        Tom Anderson

        Socialism – whether fascism, communism, Nazism or the as-yet-unnamed American variety – has always been a toy of the plutocracy, has always depended on the lowest and most brutal social strata, and has always thrived on hatred. I continue to recommend familiarity with F.A. Hayek’s “Road to Serfdom” which fully explains what is going on now. There are no surprises.

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          OriginalSteve

          I think its also necessary for everyone, on both sides, to exercise great restraint.

          One think I know of the Elite, is that they love *distractions*.

          This is the sort of stuff that keeps people busy, so they dont notice the Elite pilfering our collective piggy bank…

          They just dredge up a few useful idiots to put stuff out on the web or throw incendaries at houses, in the hope it will kick off a bigger stoush so they can do dodgy stuff while everyone is looking the other way.

          Its an act of desperation, too….

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    RickWill

    Trump has joined the States:
    https://cdn.donaldjtrump.com/public-files/press_assets/no.-22o155-original-motion-to-intervene.pdf

    From Oldaussie a couple of threads back.

    The certainly gives the action standing as Trump is a major loser of the unconstitutional election procedures.

    Will Barr join the action? Surely the people of the USA have a right to constitutional election procedure.

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      Richard C (NZ)

      From Trump Motion to Intervene:

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      It is not necessary for the Plaintiff in intervention to prove that fraud occurred, however; it is only necessary to demonstrate that the elections in the defendant States materially deviated from the “manner” of choosing electors established by their respective state Legislatures.

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      David Maddison

      Bill Barr is missing in action. He is useless and Trump should fire him. He should have been aggressively investigating and prosecuting all instances of fraud with thousands of investigators on the job.

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      David A

      If President Trump can join the lawsuit can individual US citizens?

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        PeterS

        Yes. I know one who has submitted his own case to the SCOTUS: Corsi v Biden. I haven’t checked lately if it has been accepted or not. https://soundcloud.com/corsinationmkt/dr-corsi-news-12-08-20-corsi-files-corsi-v-biden-at-scotus

        Dr. Corsi filed a lawsuit “Corsi v. Biden” with the Supreme Court charging that his 14th Amendment equal voting rights have been compromised by the way the 2020 election was conducted.

        The lawsuit filing was time-stamped at SCOTUS in Washington, D.C., at 1:20 pm ET yesterday, December 7, 2020.

        The Corsi v. Biden lawsuit filing was addressed to Justice Alito, the SCOTUS justice who overseas New Jersey (the state in which Dr. Corsi resides) courts for the Supreme Court.

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    OldOzzie

    Trump Asked This Republican to Argue Election Case Before the Supreme Court

    President Trump has identified a lawsuit filed by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton as “the big one” when it comes to his legal challenges over the November election. If the Supreme Court decides to hear the suit, the president has asked a Republican senator to argue the case.

    President Trump called Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) to ask if he would be willing to make oral arguments in the Texas case if it goes before the Supreme Court, The New York Times reported. The Times notes that Sen. Cruz argued cases before the Supreme Court as solicitor general of Texas before joining the Senate in 2013.

    According to The Times, Sen. Cruz has agreed to the president’s request.

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      David Maddison

      Ted Cruz is excellent. That makes me very happy. He has a Harvard law degree and a degree in public policy from Princeton.

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        Yonniestone

        I talked Cruz up here two years ago and got bagged for it, being a bit younger here can have the advantage of empathy and I saw that in Ted, He’s grown up a bit.

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        Analitik

        Ted was my initial hope for the Republican primaries in 2016 due to his public stance against climate change

        I feel he would make an excellent presidential candidate for 2024

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      Richard C (NZ)

      Ted Cruz: 20 Things You Didn’t Know About Him

      3: The family returned to Houston in 1974, when Cruz was four. Rafael Edward Cruz, the senator’s father, had fled Cuba in 1957 as a staunch critic of Castro with only $100 sewn into his underwear – though he supported Castro early on and regretted that. The elder Cruz became a U.S. citizen in 2005 and is today, at 74, a pastor.

      6: He memorized the Constitution as a teenager and recited it across the state with a group of high school students. They called themselves the Constitutional Corroborators.

      8: He was a champion debater at Princeton – and still wears his Princeton ring. After graduation in 1992 he attended Harvard Law School, where he became a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review; he graduated in 1995. While at Harvard Law he reportedly refused to study with anyone who hadn’t spent their undergrad years at Harvard, Princeton or Yale. A GQ profile quoted Damon Watson, one of Cruz’s law-school roommates: “He said he didn’t want anybody from ‘minor Ivies’ like Penn or Brown.”

      14: In 2003, he was appointed solicitor general of Texas. In five years there, he wrote 70 briefs to the Supreme Court and argued before the court nine times. He was involved in numerous high-profile cases, including defending the Ten Commandments monument on the Texas State Capitol grounds, the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools and the 2003 Texas redistricting plan.

      The Fiscal Times

      Make that ten times at Supreme Court soon.

      Also:

      Cruz pounds on Trump in GOP debate free-for-all
      POLITICO

      # # #

      Trump knew exactly who he was up against – it wasn’t Bush, Rubio or Christie.

      Hence the invite.

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        Richard C (NZ)

        More on Cruz:

        Guardian – “The Corroborators toured Rotary clubs and chambers of commerce in Houston and across Texas. Their star turn was in setting up easels and writing summaries of the constitution from memory – along with a definition of socialism, so that everyone was clear on the enemy

        NBC News – [Rolland] Story chose four or five of his best students, led by Cruz, to join a traveling troupe called the Constitutional Corroborators. He hired a mnemonic specialist to teach them how to memorize the text of the Constitution up through the Bill of Rights. (Who wants to memorize the Eleventh Amendment?)

        The Bill of Rights is the first 10 Amendments to the Constitution. It spells out Americans’ rights in relation to their government. It guarantees civil rights and liberties to the individual—like freedom of speech, press, and religion. It sets rules for due process of law and reserves all powers not delegated to the Federal Government to the people or the States. And it specifies that “the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

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        Solzhenitsyn memorized much of his works in prison by poetry and rosary beads. Every 10 lines corresponded with a bead so he was anchored every tenth line.

        Decades ago a fellow was doing the rounds of US TV having memorized both volumes of the LA phone book (as you do).

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          Richard C (NZ)

          >”poetry and rosary beads. Every 10 lines corresponded with a bead”

          Those were 20,000 line poems BTW.

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    Binny Pegler

    You have to wonder when the network are going to start taking this seriously? When the shooting starts?

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      Greg Cavanagh

      Remember what they were saying during the riots.

      They will never accept anything Trump no matter what happens.

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        Binny Pegler

        You’re right, in reality the election was between Trump and the Networks. Biden was just he card board cutout they stood behind.

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          Tom Anderson

          For me, one of the most memorable photos of the Democrat party players was of Hillary Rodham when she was addressing the faithful as a 1960s campus radical. That was when they merely bombed and torched buildings. The socialist succession up to 2016 was intended to transition from Obama’s mild government build-up to solider measures under Ms. Rodham-Clinton. Except that the voters elected Donald Trump who got in the way and interrupted the succession. The schemers had to keep to schedule as best they could, and all the instruments for regime change shifted smoothly to neutralizing, if could not remove, Donald Trump. The American “media,” so called, are an organ of the shadow politburo. I cannot remember when they last reported news. They are fully equipped to bear the additional task of adding Donald Trump to the daily clangor of deceit.

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      PeterS

      Indeed but more to the point when will our PM Morrison stop congratulating Biden for becoming President-elect, which is not true anyway, and stop talking about discussing the agenda for Australian-US relations? FOr example, Morrison has said “He and I will be the next pairing of stewards of this important relationship of this alliance”. Is he that aloof and clueless as to what is happening or is he in fact on the side of the globalist elite who want to turn the West into some socialist dictatorship after removing Trump from office by illegal means?

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        Graeme No.3

        PeterS:

        He is just slow to understand, as in SloMo..

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          Ted O'Brien.

          SloMo?

          The AGW scam was always and still is the primary factor in all of this. The Australian government is a coalition of two parties, the Liberals and the Nationals. The Liberals are the major party.

          The Nationals have been firmly against the AGW alarmism. About half the Liberals despise the Nationals. They also despise Barnaby Joyce, who was prime mover in the Nationals until his private life flamed out under the pressure,

          This is the brumby that Scott Morrison is riding. And it can’t last forever.

          In the state of NSW the coalition is virtually at war with itself, acting as though deposed Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, no longer a parliamentarian, might be the effective leader of the state government, no doubt assisted by another former Liberal leader, John Hewson. Both heavily invested in AGW alarmism.

          We are oh so terribly dependant on Trump winning this election to stave off the biggest scam the world has ever seen.

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        Meglort

        If the lists are true, he is on the list so is a goner.

        Like everything else my guess is we are meant to see the duplicity.
        We voted for a responsible and accountable government and got a skank.

        The kowtowing to the globalists on the climate scam, having HCQ banned, the lockdowns. Allowing the BLM and stupidity rebellion muppets whilst people standing up for their rights were arrested and fined. The state governments, ABC, BOM, CSIRO, most of the bureaucracy in fact, need to be washed out with HF.

        We really need to jettison the Khazarian mafia as our head of state and become an independent republic with no central banking or left fascism.

        We needed to see why that was the case.

        I like this passage (John 4:1) “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.”

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        Karabar

        Unfortuantely Peter it seems to me that it is the latter. I suspect that Scomo is tied up with the Davos mob somehow.
        I was listenting to the debates in our senate yesterday, and the ABC[Snip]AD that announces the speakers actually announced that Giuliani, in addition to haveing Covid 19, does not tell the truth. It takes the gall of a government mule to call America’s favourite mayor a liar.

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          MP

          Mathis Corbin was one of Australia’s attendees at the 2020 Davos con, Julia Bishop was there for the ANU about 10 persons all up?
          I posted the whole lot on an unthreaded a week a go and seem to of lost the original.

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        David Maddison

        PeterS, SloMo is certainly either clueless or knows exactly where he fits within the globalist agenda. He is Turnbull’s puppet.

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      TedM

      The more they ignore it, the less the public know the truth, the more likely shooting will start when the truth is forced upon them. The MSM knows this, they want this, that’s exactly why they are doing it. Convince people that Trump is a militant, fascist, dictator. In fact exactly what his opponents are.

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        OriginalSteve

        I disagree.

        Inside the US people now know that the Left appears to be a criminal outfit basically and that many institutions are damaged by deep corruption, and that China appears to have been at the centre of undermining ( i.e attacking ) the US from inside.

        The repubs, many of whome appear to be paid in yuan ( so to speak ) are also for the jump.

        So Im expecting to see signicant rout of troublemakers followed by possible military action against the CCP.

        Im expectibg the Bidens to be taken down, the younger may “OD” but daddy Joe will be wearing irons soon.

        The court case is literally do ir die for the US, and I think the fallout will be swift and vicious.

        The Left will kick off and im expecting gun battles in the street as normal americans eradicate the communist insurgency.

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        sophocles

        Shooting could start sooner than anybody expects, esp. if this article is true:
        https://richardsonpost.com/howellwoltz/19370/chinese-troops-on-us-canadian-border/
        There’s a lot going on there.

        I erred in a comment yesterday: it seems the death penalty for betraying the USA as a US citizen, has been resurrected as of July 25th 2019. The President seems to have everything covered.

        Residence in Gitmo won’t be long: military courts are quick and cells will be reused at a steady rate.
        EO13848 has (allegedly) been triggered … making hemp rope might be a growth industry for a short time … and it could also be that the Legacy Media (and Gurgle) are being ultra cautious so as to not have their necks stretched. Just saying …

        Cheatin’ Joe may have started to realize this too:
        https://richardsonpost.com/howellwoltz/19218/is-biden-crime-family-seeking-a-deal-to-avoid-prison/

        He knows any trip to Gitmo is strictly one way …

        There’s a lot of interesting reading in those links
        so have a good day and Enjoy. Note: I can’t vouch for their veracity.

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          David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

          G’day s,
          My reading is that the EO was signed into law back in 2018 and has been operational ever since, in particular for the Nov 3 election. So I’m expecting some interesting evidence to have been gathered by military intelligence. How much of that will be made public is a different question.
          Cheers
          Dave B

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          OriginalSteve

          Interesting…..and my bet is they will come in for “peacekeeping” under a UN banner once the Left gets going.

          Anyone in a light blue beret should also be treated with (ahem) some suspicion.

          The UN appears to be a core component of the NWO…so no surprises there.

          Well, the US has millions of guns, the chinese troops would be out-gunned very quickly…and they know it.

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          OriginalSteve

          Thinking about it some more, they need troops on the mexican border too with authorization for lethal force to be used if things get crazy inside the US.

          Imagine Chinese troosp being neutralized near canada, mexican & chinese troops coming in, and micro nukes deployed along the border to just mop up any agression.

          Inside the US, citizens will I suspetc happily deal with foreigners any who make it through the initial border conflagration. Tank traps and goodf old fasioned seiges around tank positions will mop that up.

          I dont think the chinese really understand how hard the americans will fight to drive them into the sea.

          Then whiel all this is going on, the Left will kick off. I suspecty in terms of maintaining order, citizens will just stop using restraint and start crushing all communist activity with immediate effect.

          Then the govt will go after the soicial media, media and funders of the communist revolution in the US. It will be ugly for a while. I’m expecting at least one US city to be nuked, but it wont stop the americans, they will jsut fight harder.

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      Deano

      It’s only right and proper that the MSM ignore the November 3rd fraud. After all – many people now ignore the MSM. I don’t think they realize that truth isn’t the result of their proclamations, it happens independent of them. Poor sods.

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      “… When the shooting starts?”

      Deadly weapons have already been deployed by the lefts anarchistic supporters and the media doesn’t care. The goto weapon has been hate which has poisoned the hearts and minds of millions and this weapon was actually devloped and deployed by the media itself.

      They will get probably serious when the Socialists in the House try to impeach Biden so they can put Harris in charge. This time around it will be much easier since they won’t have to fabricate fake crimes. Ironically, if the Republicans can supress enough cheating to hold on to the Senate, they will be forced to acquit him only to be further lambasted for failing to deliver justice.

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    OldOzzie

    Even Arizona has joined in. (It has different legal issues than the four so named).

    In the Supreme Court of the United States
    STATE OF TEXAS,
    Plaintiff,
    v.
    COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA, STATE OF GEORGIA, STATE OF MICHIGAN, AND
    STATE OF WISCONSIN,
    Defendants.

    MOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE
    AN AMICUS BRIEF FOR THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND MARK
    BRNOVICH, ARIZONA ATTORNEY GENERAL

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      Richard C (NZ)

      >”Even Arizona has joined in. (It has different legal issues than the four so named)”

      “Joined in” by Amicus Brief only. This is just an attempt at political deflection from AZs internal strife:

      Cristina Laila, Gateway Pundit:

      The fraud in Arizona, especially in Maricopa County where Dominion voting machines were used was astounding but Attorney General Mark Brnovich filed an amicus brief to back Texas.

      Brnovich proudly boasted that Arizona was not named as one of the defendants in Texas’ lawsuit.

      “I believe Arizona wasn’t named in this lawsuit because our office successfully prevented many of the same troubling and last-minute changes to our state’s election integrity laws,” he said.

      “Our legal filing ensures Arizona’s interests are protected, and I look forward to the Supreme Court addressing these national concerns.”

      Just how bad was the election fraud in Arizona?

      Arizona is now reporting 79.9% voter turnout, the HIGHEST in the country according to latest aggregated results from Statista. It is also easily the biggest turnout in state’s history.

      On November 16, 2020, Arizona was reporting a 65.9% voter turnout — now on November 30, 2020, the Secretary of State’s recommended election results website Arizona Vote is now reporting 79.9% voter turnout!

      Arizona Rep. Mark Finchem last Friday called on his fellow lawmakers to come together and recall Arizona’s certification.

      Finchem said county clerks are now coming forward and admitting something is off with the canvassing and the numbers are just not adding up.

      “We got people coming out of the woodwork,” Finchem said adding that the legislature will just go around Governor Ducey.

      “We only need to have 31 members of the House and 16 members of the Senate pass a resolution recalling our electors. It’s that simple,” he said. “Our constituents are blowing up over this.”

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        Richard C (NZ)

        >”a resolution recalling our electors”

        Arizona has 11 Electoral College votes.

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        Richard C (NZ)

        Arizona GOP Takes Election Case to Supreme Court: ‘We Found Evidence’
        Breitbart

        The Arizona Republican Party, led by chairwoman Dr. Kelli Ward, announced on Friday it is appealing its election integrity case, taking it to the U.S. Supreme Court after the Arizona Supreme Court dismissed the case.

        “Our case is going to the Supreme Court of the United States,” Ward announced on Friday, expressing hope that it will be expedited and noting that, if accepted, they will only be the third 2020 presidential election case accepted by the highest court in the land:

        Ward explained they decided to appeal to the Supreme Court because they “have not had due process”:

        It is unconstitutional for us not to have due process, which is time to be able to make a case, do discovery, and hold an entire hearing. The judge set unrealistic deadlines. He believed he had to have his case out of his hands by December 8. Well, that only gave us three days to examine up to three million ballots, which we all know is impossible. [Snip]

        “The media loves to say, ‘Show us the evidence.’ We found evidence, but then, we didn’t have enough time to do more discovery because they kept that evidence locked up,” the Arizona GOP chairwoman said.

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    OldOzzie

    One of The Defendants View

    Supreme Court of the United States
    _________
    STATE OF TEXAS,
    Plaintiff,
    v.
    COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA, ET AL.,
    Defendants.

    On Motion for Leave to File a Bill of Complaint and Motion for Expedited
    Consideration and for Emergency Injunctive Relief or Stay

    MOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE AND BRIEF OF
    CARTER PHILLIPS, STUART GERSON, JOHN DANFORTH,
    CHRISTINE TODD WHITMAN, LOWELL WEICKER, ET AL.,
    AS AMICI CURIAE IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANTS AND
    IN OPPOSITION TO (1) MOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE BILL OF
    COMPLAINT AND (2) MOTION FOR PRELIMINARY
    INJUNCTION AND TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER OR,
    ALTERNATIVELY, FOR STAY AND ADMINISTRATIVE STAY

    ______________________________________________________________________________

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    OldOzzie

    President Trump’s Submission

    In the Supreme Court of the United States
    STATE OF TEXAS,
    Plaintiff,
    v.
    COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA,
    STATE OF GEORGIA, STATE OF MICHIGAN,
    AND STATE OF WISCONSIN,
    Defendants.

    MOTION OF DONALD J. TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF
    THE UNITED STATES, TO INTERVENE IN HIS
    PERSONAL CAPACITY AS CANDIDATE FOR
    RE-ELECTION, PROPOSED BILL OF COMPLAINT
    IN INTERVENTION, AND BRIEF IN SUPPORT OF
    MOTION TO INTERVENE

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    OldOzzie

    The Texas Suit Against Pennsylvania Is a Fight for the Constitution

    Before the 2020 election, there was a lot of talk of how to conduct an election during a pandemic, and how to best allow for those who wish to vote, the opportunity to engage in their sacred voting rights. Multiple states took the appropriate course of action to pass laws to encourage people to vote by mail. That course of action required legislative action, with the various states’ legislatures passing legislation that was signed into law by the governors of these states. Anyone that has a beef with any state that expanded mail voting rights by the proper course, should not because the appropriate Constitutional process was followed. Where most people call foul, is when the Executives within the states, dismissed that process to order those mail expansions.

    The law states that rules for elections must be determined by the legislatures of those states. The idea that any one person or group of persons, which isn’t a legislature, determining rules for an election, is in itself unconstitutional and denies the rights of voters from other states that do comply with the Constitutional process. If Texas and any of the other states joining the case through Amicus Briefings, were all able to comply with the process to allow for the mail vote to be conducted safely and transparently, why were Pennsylvania and many of these other states, not able to?

    What Pennsylvania and other states did, was deny their own citizens the Constitutional protections and the separation of powers that prevent this sort of abuse from occurring. While those executives within these states would argue that their abuse of power was “in the best interest of those who wanted to vote by mail” the argument should have been made to the legislatures within these states and not to the court of public opinion. Additionally, had Constitutional measures been taken to allow for people to request ballots who wanted them, not many would have complained about it.

    Texas’s complaint is simple: There’s a process to our government and our elections. Those processes should have been followed and accounted for throughout the 2020 elections and if they were not, any ballots cast under those Unconstitutional actions should be invalidated. If most other states were able to conduct elections based upon our Constitutional government, then there shouldn’t be an exception, for any supposed reason which those states could argue. Our nation’s health through the Constitutional process is more important than the physical health of any person or group of persons.

    If the Constitution should be followed in times of crisis, and other states were able to abide by it, then it should be the case for Pennsylvania and other states which did not.

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      PeterS

      Our nation’s health through the Constitutional process is more important than the physical health of any person or group of persons.

      That together with the 2nd Amendment would dictate that the people are not only entitled to fight if necessary a civil war to protect the Constitution they are obliged to do so under the law. This is why the US is unique in all of the nations when it comes to the people’s rights under the Constitution. Many of cource are not happy with such an environment, and indeed I’m not sure I would welcome it here in Australia. However, that’s how it stands and that’s how it will be, until they amened the Constitution yet again.

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    Stanley

    New York Times Dec 9, writes:

    “17 Republican Attorneys General Back Trump in Far-Fetched Election Lawsuit

    The move is an attempt to bolster a baseless legal effort by Texas that seeks to delay certification of the presidential electors in four battleground states that Mr. Trump lost.
    Despite dozens of judges and courts rejecting challenges to the election, Republican attorneys general in 17 states on Wednesday backed President Trump in his increasingly desperate and audacious legal campaign to reverse the results.

    The show of support, in a brief filed with the Supreme Court, represented the latest attempt by Trump loyalists to use the power of public office to come to his aid as he continues to deny the reality of his loss with baseless claims of voter fraud.

    The move is an effort to bolster a lawsuit filed on Tuesday by the pro-Trump attorney general in Texas that seeks to delay the certification of the presidential electors in four battleground states the president lost. Mr. Trump has been holding out hope that the Supreme Court will hear the case and ultimately award him a second term. Legal experts are skeptical, however, and have largely dismissed it as a publicity stunt.

    Late Tuesday, the president asked Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, a Republican, if he would be willing to argue the case, according to a person familiar with their conversation. Mr. Cruz agreed, this person said. And the president has filed a motion with the court to intervene, which would make him a party to the case.

    The willingness of so many Republican politicians to publicly involve themselves in a legal campaign to invalidate the ballots of millions of Americans shows how singular a figure Mr. Trump remains in the G.O.P. That these political allies are also elected officials whose jobs involve enforcing laws, including voting rights, underscores the extraordinary nature of the brief to the court. Even in defeat — a reality that a significant number of Republicans refuse to accept, polls show — allegiance to Mr. Trump is viewed as the ticket to higher office.
    Mr. Cruz is only the latest possible Republican presidential candidate in 2024 to express support for Mr. Trump’s baseless allegations that the results of the election are tainted and fraudulent — a claim that the president’s lawyers have been unable yet to demonstrate in court. Indeed, in the president’s own motion in the Texas case his lawyer sidestepped the idea that fraud was rampant, writing that reporting in the media about the lack of proof “misses the point” because the larger issue is whether state officials loosened ballot safeguards “so that fraud becomes undetectable.”

    Another Republican senator with presidential ambition, Josh Hawley of Missouri, praised the attorney general of his state on Wednesday, Eric Schmitt, after Mr. Schmitt declared on Twitter that “Missouri is in the fight” for Mr. Trump. “Good work,” Mr. Hawley wrote in response. Mr. Schmitt’s office took the lead state on the brief filed with the Supreme Court on behalf of the other 16 states on Wednesday, which argued that “serious concerns relating to election integrity and public confidence in elections” have surfaced.

    Republicans familiar with the dynamics in these states — all of which Mr. Trump won — described calculations of ambition and political survival that many party officials are making as they choose to stand behind Mr. Trump. Some fear that if they don’t make it clear they are on the president’s side they could open themselves up to a primary challenge or end any hope for attaining higher office in the near future. Some like Ken Paxton, the Texas attorney general who filed the lawsuit, are considering a run for governor.

    Mr. Trump has repeatedly tried to pressure Republican state legislators and elections officials — who have the most influence over declaring the formal winner and allocating electoral votes — to deny victory to President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. They have largely resisted him. But in a sign of how Mr. Trump continues to interfere with the process, he is hosting several Republican state attorneys general at the White House on Thursday afternoon, according to two people familiar with the plans.

    Mr. Paxton’s suit claims that voting irregularities in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin should be investigated by the state legislatures before those states formally certify Mr. Biden the winner on Monday.

    After Mr. Paxton filed, Republican attorneys general from across the country rushed to declare themselves on board, posting their support on social media and issuing statements that echoed the legally questionable claim in the Texas brief that its citizens are harmed if elections in other states are not conducted properly.

    The 17 states behind the amicus brief represent a majority of the 25 Republican attorneys general across the country, and include Alabama, Florida, Kansas, Missouri, Louisiana and South Dakota. Notably, the two Republican attorneys general in the battleground states that Mr. Trump lost — Arizona and Georgia — are not part of the brief.
    Legal experts and a handful of Republican elected officials have questioned the seriousness of the suit, pointing out that states like Texas have no standing to bring a case involving how another state awards its electoral votes.

    Senator John Cornyn, a Texas Republican and former attorney general of the state, seemed baffled by the legal maneuver, calling it “extraordinary” and “unprecedented.”
    “I’ve never seen something like this, so I don’t know what the Supreme Court’s going to do,” he said in Washington on Wednesday.”

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      Richard C (NZ)

      Ah yes, “Legal experts” again.

      The only legal experts that matter in this case are 9 Supreme Court Judges.

      We have not heard their opinion yet.

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      TedM

      ” that Mr. Trump lost” Err….President Trump stan. And he hasn’t lost it at this stage.

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      OriginalSteve

      My understanstanding is “far fetched” = Gitmo for many on the Left.

      Long time coming…..

      BYO popcorn……

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    Stanley

    And in Georgia, the office of the Republican attorney general, Chris Carr, quickly pushed back against Mr. Paxton’s lawsuit after it was filed. It issued a statement saying that Mr. Paxton was “constitutionally, legally and factually wrong about Georgia.”

    Nicholas Fandos and Alan Feuer contributed reporting

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    Tristan

    “No one needs a judge to rule on the ocean of video’s showing flagrant cheating.”

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      PeterS

      Actually that’s true under the Constitution of the US. The people have the final say. It’s just a matter of how many people will group together to form if necessary a militia to fight the traitors or even the military if they sided with the left. I suspect though Trump will prevent that from happening by using the Insurrection Act et al. and use the military to avoid the nation entering into a chaotic civil war. Then again there’s no reason to stop the left doing the same and forming their own militia to fight the military headed by Trump. Of course one would think they would lose given they would not be so well armed as those on the right, but still not without a lot of bloodshed. Then yet again the left might get help from another nation to fight their war. Oh dear! Let’s just hope that cool heads prevail on both sides. The last thing they need is a civil war that’s for sure. I’m sure Trump would agree.

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    OldOzzie

    No. 22O155
    __________________________________________________________________
    In the Supreme Court of the United States
    __________________________________________________________________
    STATE OF TEXAS, et al.,
    Plaintiffs
    v.
    COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA, et al.,
    Defendants.
    __________________________________________________________________
    On Motion for Leave to File Bill of Complaint
    __________________________________________________________________
    MOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE BRIEF AS AMICI CURIAE
    AND BRIEF FOR CONSTITUTIONAL ATTORNEYS AS AMICI CURIAE
    IN SUPPORT OF PLAINTIFFS


    SUMMARY OF THE ARGUMENT

    The Constitution gives Congress the power to set a date for Presidential
    elections. Congress passed 3 U.S.C. § 1 pursuant to that power and chose a specific
    date for Election Day. Historically, there is no reason to believe that Congress
    intended to preempt a state’s prerogative to allow absentee voting under the
    traditional rules that existed at the time, such as being unable to vote in person
    because of military service. However, allowing citizens to vote almost two months in
    advance of Election Day, for any reason or for no reason, is another matter
    altogether. Such a scheme is preempted by 3 U.S.C. § 1 and is unconstitutional
    under Article II, § 1, Clause 4 of the United States Constitution
    .

    ARGUMENT

    I. The United States Constitution and a Federal Statute Established a
    Fixed Day for Presidential Elections

    ______________________________________________________________

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    David Maddison

    Don’t forget that none of this will be able to be discussed on YouTube and I guess the other social(ist) media will soon follow. The legacy media will probably not discuss it either.

    YouTube has now announced it will be deleting all content that suggests that there was fraud in the 2020 US election.

    This represents a massive amount of material and is an obscene assault on the US democratic process and transparency in elections.

    I never cease to be amazed how the Left are unable to tolerate alternate opinions or the truth. They are just ideas…

    Get used to the Orwellian nightmare if the Left get into power in the US, they are already heavily embedded in most other Western countries.

    Video by Styxhexenhammer(preferably watch on BitChute):

    https://youtu.be/4h9x6DSJwX0

    or

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/4h9x6DSJwX0/

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      Fuel Filter

      Some wag said:

      “YouTube is INSOC and we are all Winston.”

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      OriginalSteve

      Good…time to dump yooftoob on its rear end and move to brighteon or any other social media platform like gab.com or parler.com

      Let it stay a festering mess of Leftist echo chamber angst and drivel…..

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        sophocles

        Exit U-toob by all means:

        In Two Ranks, Form Up.
        By the Left ah … Right: Quick March. Left Right Left Right …

        Dump U-toob. We could always petition the USDOJ to bring another anti-trust suit, or three, to serve on Gurgle (what a sinking Google sounds like …)

        They obviously neither need nor want us. Fine. I can sulk somewhere else …

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      ian hilliar

      To the Left, it is nonsense to say “They are just ideas”. The left is fully aware that, if they control the language, “They adjust ideas”.

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      MP

      Don’t forget when it comes to censorship Obama gave control of the internet to the UN.
      Censorship….we ain’t seen nothing yet.

      https://thepoliticalinsider.com/icann-control-un/

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    OldOzzie

    From EO Thread re post above of Amicus Brief

    OldOzzie
    December 10, 2020 at 9:31 am · Reply

    Elections Undecided by Midnight are Void & Preempted by Federal Law – Foster v Love (1997; 9-0 Decision)


    PREFACE OF THE BATTLE PLAN

    We will take a closer at this binding precedent below, but in preview, please understand that it emanates from a 9-0 decision of the United States Supreme Court, wherein the entire Court joined, not just the outcome, but also the opinion on this very point.

    The voters vote. The officials count. These combined actions form “the election,” and the election must be decided on the day. States that failed to make a final selection of officeholder by midnight after Election Day have violated the statute, subjecting the nation at large to the very evils Congressionally mandated deadlines were drafted to prevent.

    Federal Election Day statutes were designed to curtail fraud, and to infuse a prima facie sense of integrity in our electoral process. But these States – in failing to obey Congressional deadlines – have flagrantly attempted to preempt federal law. This is certainly prohibited, and this is why the late election results are void.

    WHAT ABOUT BUSH V. GORE?

    At this point, you may be wondering, if my analysis above is correct, why the election in Bush v. Gore wasn’t void? It’s a very good question. That nightmare dragged on for 37 days, finally settled by a nebulous opinion, just as the Florida Legislature was getting ready to use the nuclear option to seat Bush electors via bicameral resolution. Incredibly, the answer to this very relevant question is shockingly simple:

    That election wasn’t void because nobody asked the court to void it.

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    Phillip Bratby

    “Will the Western “free press” even mention the US is in a constitutional crisis?” Nothing that I an find in the UK.

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      Harry Passfield

      Hi Phillip! I was amazed to find that this morning’s (10/12) UK Daily Mail (at least the on-line version – haven’t seen the hard-copy yet) carried reports of the state of the election, the Texas application and the claimed fraud. They even – shock, horror – had an article about the stats for the election showing it must have been bent.
      Let’s hope they get to report a happy outcome and that Biden can claim the record for the shortest term.

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      John R Smith

      I’m having a strong gut reaction that the Sergeant Shultz imitation of the Legacy (GlobChicom) Media is a sign of weakness.

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    Trump has done his best, come what may, to defend the integrity
    of the Western parliamentary democratic nation against deep-state corruption:
    pro voting integrity,
    pro constitutional rule of law for all,
    anti censorship on free speech,
    anti big government/big tech collusion.

    If SCOTUS goes with peace at all cost, (peace w/out honour,)
    it has forgotten the great principles and resolve defended in
    the United States War of Independence and later, the the Battle of Gettysburg.

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      David Maddison

      If Trump isn’t allowed to claim his rightful second term it will very likely trigger a second American Revolution. The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution recognise the inherent right of the people to cast off a corrupt government.

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    David Maddison

    YouTube banning discussion of election fraud is a major interference with the integrity of the United States and essentially amounts to a hostile act against the US.

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    David Maddison

    If Trump can gain his rightful position as second term President he needs to establish an entire new non-corrupt division of the Department of Justice whose only job for the next four years is to find and prosecute every single person involved in this election fraud no matter how minor their role. It could amount to tens of thousands of people. A special super large jail could be established just for these criminals.

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      WokeBuster

      Exactly. We need to bring back McCarthyism on steroids. It’s the only way to turn the ship around.

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        patrick healy

        Woke Buster,
        Like King Chanute who is incorrectly attributed as trying to turn back the tide ( He in fact – great man- got his sycophants to place his throne on the beach to demonstrate that only God could control the tide), Senator McCarthy was 100% correct in his pointing out the Communist infiltration of the United States.
        The spawn of those traitors are now in positions of power in America and throughout the western world.
        Satan’s greatest accomplishment is that he has convinced the sheeple to believe ho does not exist.

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      Just Thinkin'

      ” A special super large jail could be established just for these criminals.”

      Is there a big island somewhere? Cuba, maybe.

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    Tarquin Wombat-Carruthers

    So eighteen states filing, plus four defendants, means that 24 states are uncommitted. Leaving aside the “rusted-ons” (NY, CA, VA, IL, MD, VA, HI, RI etc), where are AL, CO, CT, ID, IA, KY, ME, NH, NM, VT and WY? Still searching your chests/underwear for conviction? This issue is far more crucial than any parochial biases.

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      Harry Passfield

      Where are the other States? I figure that if they’re not party to the solution they are party to the problem.

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    WokeBuster

    Seems like the Left is already about to throw Biden under a bus before inauguration as a few articles like this are beginning to appear in Lefty publications:

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/09/justice-department-interest-hunter-biden-taxes-444139

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    Tarquin Wombat-Carruthers

    Sorry, that should have been 28 uncommitted.

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    OldOzzie

    Biden May Have the Liberal Media by His Side, But Trump’s Wins With the Black Community Tell the Real Story

    Throughout President Trump’s administration, the liberal media has regaled us incessantly with the same old story they’ve used for years: that Democrats are the party of minorities and Republicans the party of racist whites.

    But in the 2020 election, that story fell apart. Donald Trump got more votes from Black and minority Americans than any other GOP candidate in the last 60 years; in some parts of the country, like Florida, Trump even outperformed Biden with Latinos and Cuban-Americans by historic margins.

    These numbers don’t lie: Black and minority Americans have started to realize that Trump and the GOP have the better track record on actually improving minority lives. We see this most of all in how Trump has done more than any Democrat to bring Black Americans home from prison.

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    Jonesy

    Watching this unfold. Here in Australia it is way past time to enforce voter identification. We cannot ever allow this to happen here.

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      el gordo

      We have compulsory voting and stable political elections, with the addition that politicians can sack the PM if he loses the confidence of his party.

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    Lawrie

    There have been so many illogical and patently political judgements in the past few weeks that I am beginning to believe that even SCOTUS has been bought and paid for by the Democrats.

    There is a body lying on the floor shot at least a dozen times, with a score of knife wounds and the judge says as he drives off in his new Lamborghini “it looks like he died of natural causes”.

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      RickWill

      I think Bill Barr had a mutiny in his ranks. Look at the voting tendency for the DC bubble. Draining the swamp would remove 90% of the current residents of DC.

      https://bipartisanreport.com/2020/10/05/ex-justice-dept-employees-defect-to-expose-bill-barrs-corruption/

      Attorney General Bill Barr has faced some steep opposition during his time as the top law enforcement officer in the United States. Now, about 1,600 former employees of the Justice Department have signed onto a letter that calls the Attorney General out for politicizing the department’s operations for the benefit of President Donald Trump.

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        Fuel Filter

        Now that just goes to show you how wide AND deep the swamp really is.

        If it’s that bad in the DOJ, can you imagine how terrible it is in, say, the State Department (which has always had, to put it charitably, a mind of its own), or the myriad of all the other agencies and all their subs in DC?

        That’s why I and a whole lot of other Americans want them scattered to the winds all across our land.

        For instance, why should the BLM (Bureau of Land Management) be in DC when 95% of the land it “manages” is hundreds of miles from DC? Something like 75% of it (may be off a bit on that #) is in the Western U.S. alone.

        No reason to keep it where it is. Ship it off to Omaha, Nebraska, or somesuch.

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    Anton

    Civil war is better than secession. Few states are overwhelmingly for one candidate or the other so the bad feeling would linger on both sides of any new border. This thing has to be put to bed at any price. Not to mention that the USA was only able to become a geopolitical superpower once its ‘manifest destiny’ to extend across the North American continent was attained. If the Coasts become one nation dominated by the Democrats and the Centre another dominated by Republicans then they will eventually fight anyway, and meanwhile the Chinese will be dominating the Pacific and might even invade or be invited to invade the North American continent. Careful!

    California nadn Seatlle would invite a Chinese invastion

    If the Republican heartlands

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      Fuel Filter

      Anton, I gotta disagree with you on a couple of very key points…

      “Civil war is better than secession.”

      Have to completely disagree on this one. I’ve seen CW 2 gamed out in several ways over the past decade. Every single one culminates in massive deaths, overwhelmingly in the Blue metropolitan areas.

      Remember, Red state folk are not only armed, they are also armed with knowledge from plenty of combat vets and folk who grow the food and feed and butcher the livestock that feed those cities.

      The very first thing that happens? Red state fighters cut off food supplies and utilities. You think all those long-haul truckers are gonna deliver anything at all? Don’t know about OZ, but the men who drive those trucks are 97% Red all the way. I suspect they also are where you live.

      How long do you think those areas will last with just-in-time deliveries the industrial norm? Two, maybe three days? And what happens then? Think the black riots in the 60s and 80s were bad. Ya ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Wait until EVERYBODY goes hungry for three or four days…

      “Few states are overwhelmingly for one candidate or the other…”

      You are joking. Right? Ever see a map of Red v Blue states?

      “… so the bad feeling would linger on both sides of any new border.”

      Absolutely accurate. Difference is, Red state folk have the arms AND the knowledge of how to defend themselves AND their borders. Again, I’ve seen this scenario played out multiple times. Remember the above, Red state folk control the food.

      Anton, I’m really not trying to pick on you. Truly, STG.

      It’s just that so many folk have not thought this through. So I took it upon myself to make a few points, and your comment just gave me the opening. That’s it, and that’s all.

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        Richard Ilfeld

        I think the point here is not to win the lawsuit, although it is well crafted, fully constitutional, and the remedy would not be to reverse the will of the voters but to engage the specified practice of the state legislators selecting the electors if the general election is not determinate.

        I think the point of the suit is to firmly set in the minds of the majority, that is perhaps 80% of Republicans and 15% of Democrats across about 38 states, that the charges of election irregularity are not tin-foil hat stuff or mysterious voting machine hocus-pocus ( even if that is real ), but true constitutional issues, plus true Mail-in issues like
        double voting and dead voters in numbers we have never seen before, precisely because of these irregularities.

        There will be redistricting, where, for the next election, the Democrats may have a minority position before the voting starts. There are some recall elections. There will be some Democrats from congress added to the administration, and special elections to replace them, or appointments. There will be passive and active resistance to regulations, and to state and local officials, many of whom need to be replaced before the next election or at least playing defence with a Republican lawyer on their shoulder.

        The Facts of a legitimate “Supreme Court” case further discredits the media and drives people to seek out other sources; a chennel will need to be in place to spread the word before the next vote. It needs to reach the moderate left as well so Republoicans have some outreach needs; facts are useless with the cult-infused but may eventually get through to ordinary Americans with a queasy feeling wi their stomaches. The Emotional opening of seeing the elites party while the rank and file are shut down makes day to day Democrats more willing to listen.

        “Secession”, I think, reminds people that there is an historical context. The left ALWAYS wants to make it about race. In the real world it was much about state’s rights. It still is.

        If the Supreme Court can base interstate commerce rules on the thin rrre of Wickard v Filburn, Texas has a hell of a case. they need to make it and the folks need to hear it.

        I would remind you that the left has NEVER lost a Supreme Court case, theirs have simply been “wrongly decided” and they keep comong back for bites of the apple til they win, so files are inclined to listen to the arguments and, sometimes, be energised if they lose.

        If Texas wins:

        What will the personal lives of state legislators in the four state be like? Will they be safe? Who will they fear.
        If Trump is retained, will there be violence? From whom? How do we think the world will react to that?
        If the violence if for the stated purpose of taking back the government, from Trump?????

        Reasons the court will dither, I feel, hence my other arguments.

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          RossP

          Richard
          I take a simple view on this. The case is simply about upholding the Constitution. If SCOTUS cannot do that then there is little need for them and they will leave US to rot over the next decade or so.

          Following US politics more, in recent years I have learnt to have HUGE respect for the founding fathers. They were obviously wise, intelligent men with tremendous foresight.

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            PeterPetrum

            Following US politics more, in recent years I have learnt to have HUGE respect for the founding fathers. They were obviously wise, intelligent men with tremendous foresight

            Smarter than any politician anywhere in the world now. Just as well President Trump is not a politician, he saw this coming two years ago.

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              David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

              G’day PP,
              I see your two years, but I reckon it needs doubling, at least.
              Two years ago he published his EO. I suggest he’d been working on that from before he was elected, defining and refining his strategy and plans, and especially his timetable for this critical period.
              Some really impressive project planning…
              Cheers
              Dave B

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              sophocles

              I think David has something there, Peter. We can’t forget the Milt are active and making very little noise at all.

              It has the feel of a well-polished piece of work. I keep remembering the phrase “ this has all been war-gamed.” but can’t remember where I picked that up. That slows things down a lot with all the checking, backing up and redoing. Two years ago, Gitmo had been refurbished — that project was complete. 2017 is a year which rings a bell for that completion. I could be wrong, but I’ve got a feeling David is right.

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          Fuel Filter

          If we don’t prevail at SCOTUS and PDJT does NOT use his EO and invoke the “Insurrection Act” there will be no other election any Republican candidate for President that will be ABLE to win!

          The Dems will pack SCOTUS, admit DC and the the Virgin Islands to permanent Statehood and that’s the ballgame, folks.

          Goodbye USA, hello Chinese overlords.

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            Lucky

            Fuel Filter is insufficiently pessimistic.

            The remaining rump of the Republicans, who are now known as RINO, will rebrand as conservative (=left) or real (=pseudo) republicans. They will offer cooperation in traditional form and divide up territory as is usual for crime gangs.

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        Anton

        Think it through beyond the first months. Secession won’t bring peace.

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    The Depraved and MOST Deplorable (and still asleep) Vlad the Impaler

    According to a news report on KTWO-radio (AM 1030), 30 State legislators have petitioned Governor Mark Gordon and A.G. Bridget Hill to join the Texas lawsuit, on behalf of Wyoming.

    Vlad

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    Lance

    Clear summary of TX complaint, by state, of what voting violations of procedure occurred.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/12/a_summary_of_texas_election_lawsuit_.html

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    Jim

    This is always interesting. The arguments progress as your voting wrong. But, the people showed up to vote, and are now going to be disenfranchised by states that make it hard to vote. Pushed by people that want only their opinion to count. Sounds like communism to me.
    In america, voting rights were left to the states. People were granted voting rights in the states after many people died, women, renters, other nationality, and catholics died to get to vote, leaving a legacy that we have now, almost everyone gets to vote.most voted make it to the second portion, getting counted, in Penn, and michigan, they made it even easier to vote, mail in voting, after a court challenge, the votes did not have to be in the pile till a close of business on the Friday after the election. You see, someone slowed down mail deliveries. Now, we cannot be assured our mail arrives in a timely fashion. Affecting the creditworthiness of millions of people.
    This is being done by the same crew that makes up the american new constitutional convention. They want to take away the people’s rights for redress. To recoup the rights of slavery and oppression of the people, to stifle the rights of the people, to make a dictatorship in their image, but, the majority of the people do not want that, they want to be heard,not herd.

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      Kalm Keith

      I think I see where you’re coming from Jim.
      You seem to be evoking the commonly used themes of vulnerability and disadvantage to imply wrong doing on the part of the group you are attacking.

      The new science of Victimhood that you are playing with has many defects in fact and logic but there’s hope on the horizon.

      It’s just possible that a reassessment of what happened during the presidential election by SCOTUS, will see a future Trump administration given the authority to rectify the problems you raise.

      There is hope.

      KK

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      Harry Passfield

      “…and the people showed up to vote.”
      Well, no. That’s the problem. Many of their ballots turned up, but not them. Furthermore, would you really be happy to cast your vote but then, have a machine that translated your vote into an unreadable code (for human) which was then fed into another machine to be decided and counted? How would you know that the vote you made was the vote that was counted? There’s a lot to be said for the pencil on a bit of string and a human counting the votes.

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    Salty Seadog

    Here in the UK we have finally heard from the BBC that Biden Junior is being investigated for something, it’s on their website and was mentioned in a radio news bulletin. There is not a thing about a US constitutional crisis. It’s funny but the website says it’s called BBC News. Is that not news then?

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      FrankH

      There’s still nothing on the BBC website about the Texas law suit. It’s almost as if the BBC thinks Texas doesn’t exist. Or maybe they’re waiting for somebody to tell them how to spin it.

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        FrankH

        The BBC now mentions it, almost as an aside, in an opinion piece. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55268371

        “…the reality is that the presidency rests in the hands of the nine justices who sit on the Supreme Court.

        “In a democracy of 328 million Americans, it comes down to what five people think.”

        I think it would be more accurate to say it comes down to what the nine people who are tasked with ensuring the constitution is complied with think about the constitution.

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    Phil R

    I’d like to respond but I’m not sure if I agree or disagree with you-your post is pretty incoherent.

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    TdeF

    Thank you Jo for all this amazing information. Otherwise we are starved for any news on the US election which 99% of ‘journalists’ say is long over. 20 years ago the debate over the hanging chads in Florida in Bush vs Gore was a continuing front page saga and the fate of the US Presidential election hung in the balance in a nail biter involving the Florida Supreme Court. Perhaps modern woke teenage journalists have no memory of it and the senior journalists work for the Guardian or ABC or CNN? And they have long decided the election. Four year ago they told us Hillary had it won in a landslide, but that was also before the election.

    Real journalist and entertaining writer James Delingpole is amazed at the total lack of responsible reporting or any reporting of the biggest challenge to a US Presidential election since the Civil War.

    And how many Americans know that their votes were counted by special computers (‘servers’) in Serbia and Berlin and running special counting software? Why? They probably think someone just manually tallies the votes and checks signatures and even the existence of the voters as used to be done for two centuries. But it is all automated now and the people were tired at 2am and stopped counting and the computers took over. Exactly why and by whom are mysteries. And when the ‘workers’ came back in the morning, the election had been decided. And the decision reversed, as Trump had predicted.

    It’s really a wonder the election was not over in the first five minutes. After all, it looks like it was decided long before the actual votes were cast, in which case the journalists are right. And if anyone was going to cheat without detection, tallying the votes on computers in Serbia seems a smart move.

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      TdeF

      As unflinching President Donald Trump wrote “No candidate has ever won both Florida and Ohio and lost. I won them both, by a lot!”. And Texas too.

      Any thinking person would ask why the voting changed suddenly after the shutdown and just enough to give Biden the lead, exactly as Trump predicted. It was the pattern in Venezuela too. There should have been alarm bells going off everywhere, but it is missing from the press. And being hidden by big tech as well as the news media. After this is over, many platforms will have to be reclassed as publishers and subject to the same laws as other media.

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      Peter C

      Computers is Serbia and Berlin?

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        TdeF

        Servers are computers connected via the internet and apparently some of the servers were in Serbia and others in West Germany. What they were doing and why is unknown. And how much of this is approved and tested by the CIA, DOJ and other intelligence groups is the question. Like Hillary’s server in her garage or secure documents on Yahoo so she could ‘print them out at home’, I doubt anyone was aware of this. It’s beyond belief that the US election data was live on the internet in real time. And what happened when everyone went home at 2am? Forget suitcases of votes. This is beyond belief.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    On Friday in the US the SCOTUS will have a telephone meeting where they will decide to hear this case.

    /Red thumb if you think they will, green if you think they won’t

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      wokebuster

      I have consistenty called them cowards. Hope I am wrong. If I am there will be enough Green tears to fill Snowy 2.0

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      OldOzzie

      Peter Fitzroy – Red thumb if you think they will, green if you think they won’t

      Hey some of us are badly colour blind – I had not realised Thumbs Up/Down were different – they still look the same colour to me

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        Peter Fitzroy

        so you have not been able to adapt? You want special help? you have never faced this problem before? Maybe you should seek a disability exemption, and then advocate for the necessary changes on this and all other websites.

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    RossP

    Can there be a more simple example of election fraud than this, in Arizona ?

    ” The number of ballots cast was 3,420,565 in 2020 versus 1,037,550 in 1998. The Great State of Arizona had 2,383,015 MORE people vote in 2020 vs 1998.

    The number of people in the Great State of Arizona grew by 1,756,241 by my estimate. The Bogus estimate is showing that the population of the State grew by 2,216,503. WOW. This is SUPER DUPER IMPRESSIVE.

    The Great State of Arizona had every SINGLE NEW PERSON added to its population VOTE – 100% of all new Arizonans that entered the State since 1998 voted (so no one under 18 must have entered) + 166,511 More People Voted than the population growth; hence the creation of Phantom Sleeper Voters.”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/arizonas-impossible-election-results-2020-increase-votes-since-1998-greater-increase-population-time-period/

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      markx

      Hi Ross,

      You may be missing the point that people who where there originally in 1998 are STILL eligible to vote in 2020 (presuming they are still present), even if they didn’t vote in 1998.

      Your figure of 3,420,565 ballots cast in 2020, is 61% of the 5,528,989 people who were 18 or over in Arizona as of the 4th Oct 2019.
      (noting that % figure does not match higher rates of voting mentioned above).

      https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/10/04/2019-21663/estimates-of-the-voting-age-population-for-2018

      http://www.populationu.com/us/arizona-population

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        RossP

        They are not my figures markx. I have just highlighted the summary in the link I gave. There is a video in the link, of an interview with the guy who did the numbers. His work is a lot more detailed than just digging out those few numbers in the summary.

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          markx

          Yep, went to the link, I’ve never heard such a vague number and word salad in my life, but there is no doubt he simply assumes the 2020 voters consisted only of those who voted in 1998, plus the new people who moved in since then.
          He ignores the fact that previous non-voters have likely been motivated to have their say and put in a vote.

          This is a direct quote from him in the interview:

          The number of ballots cast was 3,420,565 in 2020 versus 1,037,550 in 1998. The Great State of Arizona had 2,383,015 MORE people vote in 2020 vs 1998.

          The number of people in the Great State of Arizona grew by 1,756,241 by my estimate. The Bogus estimate is showing that the population of the State grew by 2,216,503. WOW. This is SUPER DUPER IMPRESSIVE.
          The Great State of Arizona had every SINGLE NEW PERSON added to its population VOTE – 100% of all new Arizonans that entered the State since 1998 voted (so no one under 18 must have entered) + 166,511 More People Voted than the population growth; hence the creation of Phantom Sleeper Voters.

          There were 4.667 million people in Arizona in 1998. He tells us 1,037,550 voted. ie that is a 22% voter turnout.
          It seems reasonable to assume some of the 3.63 million non-voters of that year actually went out and voted in 2020.
          There is absolutely no logic in assuming that extra votes can only come from population growth in a state with a 22% voter participation.

          If he is a truly a statistician he is undoubtedly being deliberately deceptive.
          Listening to him speaking does not add any level of understanding; he needs to write it all down somewhere.

          It is probably significant that when he was asked by the interviewer for a link to the article, he did not provide it, but simply equivocated and said he had not actually put it up yet but was going to put it and a detailed spreadsheet on an unnamed web site.
          Neither seem to be available anywhere at this stage.

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      1998 wasn’t a presidential election year either. So it’s not a fair comparison is it?

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    RossP

    [Removed by request of RossP.]AD

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    David

    The Texas lawsuit made the Australian ABC news yesterday in a low key release. Similarly it was mentioned on Skynews last night.

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    Steve of Cornubia

    These days, my mind is dominated by anger and trepidation, in equal measure. I am trying to stay abreast of the situation in America, along with Europe and, of particular relevance to us all here in Australia, China’s growing belligerence.

    Today’s ‘non-MSM news seems to confirm that we’re in for a very rough ride, starting with a real possibility of actual civil war in America. And if that were to happen, who seriously believes that China wouldn’t take the opportunity of a distracted and disabled USA to its advantage? I would be VERY WORRIED INDEED if I was Taiwanese …

    But figuring out just how concerned I should be is a challenge, not least because so few sources of ‘news’ can be trusted. Consequently, I have more recently tried to identify other measures of unrest, such a financial indicators. The trouble is of course that, if the ultra-powerful globalists have the leverage we believe them to possess, they are manipulating the markets too, not just the news. So maybe the age-old refuge of gold could be trusted, the safe haven that many flee to when times are crazy?

    Maybe, but take a look at the gold price and you will see little apparent impact from the American problem. Covid drove the price up months ago and it has remained on that higher step for some time, but recent talk of constitutional crisis or civil war in America doesn’t seem to have impacted the price at all, when I would suggest that, under normal conditions, such talk would have driven gold up to stratospheric levels.

    So what are we to make of this? Does gold no longer perform its age-old role of wealth conservation in crises? Or is even the gold price now pretty much 100% manipulated? Even if it IS manipulated, those globalists have their own wealth and futures to look after and will be diversified (including gold), so again I ask, why no price increase?

    Of course one reason might be that most of the world doesn’t believe that any of those things (break-up of America, civil war, etc) will happen and, if that’s the case, why are they so confident?

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      el gordo

      The MSM is confident that the US political system is seriously flawed, but with China ready to usher in the new world order there is no need for alarm.

      Buy Bitcoin.

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        Kalm Keith

        I hear Bitcoin has their servers in Frankfurt and Beijing.

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          el gordo

          ‘According to recent note from QCP Capital on its Telegram channel, miners in China are seeing their bank accounts and credit cards frozen as the government tries to crack down on money laundering. That’s a big deal for bitcoin because 70% of its mining power comes from China.’ (coindesk.com)

          Miners need energy to compute.

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          Serp

          More than likely they’ll have them where the power is cheapest which would make Iceland with its geothermal generation a candidate.

          Bitcoin is unhealthily dependent on reliable telecommunications links; probably diamonds is a safer refuge. But who has such riches as warrants such stratagems? Are we a cadre of aspiring plutocrats?

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      Steve of Cornubia

      Actually, the price of gold has actually fallen since the US election and throughout the subsequent unrest. Weird.

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      RickWill

      Most people understand that sovereign debt denominated in the sovereign’s currency is never an issue. Hence there is no longer the great rush to gold. Gold is essentially useless for buying daily needs.

      While US produces the global currency of choice, its current account doesn’t matter. What does matter is China purchasing US assets. That brings a lot of influence and I think there is evidence of that at state level in Australia, USA and in smaller countries; has China bought Biden. China’s influence in the UN is a concern.

      Australia is vitally important to China as a source of iron ore. Should they choose to take it rather than pay then that becomes an issue for Australia and maybe the rest of the world. To some free that will depend on the individual friendships between Australians and Chinese. Australia is a nice holiday destination and centre of education for Chinese.

      May we live in interesting times.

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        Steve of Cornubia

        I have for some time worried that China, should real conflict begin (or America descend into civil conflict), would target Australia fairly aggressively, even though we aren’t important or strong militarily. One reason of course would be access to our resources, but another would be useful for gauging the West’s appetite for war. This is an even bigger risk for us should Russia ally itself with China (which I think would be a huge mistake, but entirely possible) because Russia could open up another front in Europe, leaving us totally dependent on America. Under Biden, that’s a scary thought.

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    RickWill

    Cannot find the original document but this is an extract of Pennsylvania response:

    “Texas seeks to invalidate elections in four states for yielding results with which it disagrees. Its request for this Court to exercise its original jurisdiction and then anoint Texas’s preferred candidate for President is legally indefensible and is an affront to principles of constitutional democracy,” wrote Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro.

    The lawsuit, the court filing said, rested on a “surreal alternate reality.”

    “Texas’s effort to get this Court to pick the next President has no basis in law or fact. The Court should not abide this seditious abuse of the judicial process, and should send a clear and unmistakable signal that such abuse must never be replicated.”
    Whatever the legal standard, Shapiro argued, “Texas cannot meet it.”

    “Nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas’s view that it can dictate the manner in which four sister States run their elections, and Texas suffered no harm because it dislikes the results in those elections,” the filing adds.

    Also;

    Pennsylvania Democrats, led by the state’s Attorney General Josh Shapiro, told the Supreme Court Thursday it shouldn’t allow President Trump to get involved in a case over the state’s three-day extension for counting mail-in ballots.

    If Trump is permitted to join then that creates standing as Trump was harmed.

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    Dave in the States

    The Dems starting running ads today, imploring the people to not believe that the election wasn’t fair and honest. They are scared.

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      William Astley

      Ads do not make the massive evidence of 2020 US election fraud go away.

      The supreme court will rule in favor of Texas and the 18 states who have joined Texas case. Note however, that the supreme court will not ‘give’ the election to Trump. It will rule in favor of the plaintiffs.

      The plan which Trump is part of and which Trump approved all fundamental concepts/objectives/tactics (for example almost no risk of violence/use or requirement to use any force in the US), is a sneaky smart, plan which will end the Democratic party crisis/solve the 2020 US Election fixing problem, end Washington political fighting, and so on. …. without prejudice/unnecessary drama,riots, and so on day 1.

      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/missouri-5-more-states-ask-to-join-texas-supreme-court-election-case-against-georgia-others

      “All the unconstitutional changes to election procedures identified in the Bill of Complaint have two common features: (1) They abrogated statutory safeguards against fraud that responsible observers have long recommended for voting by mail, and (2) they did so in a way that predictably conferred partisan advantage on one candidate in the presidential election,” the Missouri brief from Wednesday, which was joined by 16 other states, said.
      It continued: “When non-legislative actors in other states encroach on the authority of the ‘Legislature thereof’ in that state to administer a presidential election, they threaten the liberty, not just of their own citizens, but of every citizen of the United States who casts a lawful ballot in that election – including the citizens of amici states.”

      https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/09/6-things-to-know-about-texass-supreme-court-petition-over-2020s-messed-up-election/

      5. Texas Is Not Seeking to Overturn the Election—Or Install Trump
      …Texas makes this point clear, stressing: “Plaintiff State does not ask this Court to decide who won the election; they only ask that the Court enjoin the clear violations of the Electors Clause of the Constitution.”

      …. For example, several large Wisconsin counties used drop boxes in direct violation of the Wisconsin Election Code that provides detailed procedures by which municipalities may designate sites for the acceptance of absentee ballots. Wisconsin election officials also ignored the statutory certification requirements for absentee ballots, counting votes that the state legislature defined as illegal because they did not include a witness signature and address.

      …And in Wayne County, the home of Detroit’s Democratic stronghold, election officials ignored the state’s signature verification requirement. Georgia also violated the legislature’s requirement for signature verifications, according to Texas’s complaint.

      ….The most egregious violations alleged came from Pennsylvania, where election officials ignored the statutory bar on inspecting ballots before election day, then illegally provided voter information to third parties and allowed illegal curing of the ballots. Significantly, in Pennsylvania these illegal practices only occurred in Democratic strongholds, with Republicans following the law.

      These and other practices, Texas alleges, establish a clear violation of the Electors Clause, because that clause makes clear that it is the state legislature—and not administrative agencies, election officials, or even courts—charged under our constitutional system with selecting electors.

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        TdeF

        So accepting these points as fact leaves it open to the Supreme Court to invalidate votes in many counties in these states especially Democratic counties, potentially resulting in an inconclusive or hung election. The remedies often up to Congress but the Supreme Court may recommend a contingent election under the 12th Amendment.

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    David Maddison

    This is how “our” ABC spins it.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-09/us-election-latest-donald-trump-joe-biden-supreme-court/12969226

    The US state of Texas has drawn support from 17 other states in its long-shot bid to have the US Supreme Court overturn President Donald Trump’s election loss by throwing out the voting results from four other states.

    1) It is not necessarily a long-shot and it is based upon evidence and legal principles and it’s not for them to judge.

    2) No election is being “overturned” because nothing has been decided. The election returns are disputed therefore there can be no decision. President Trump does not have an “election loss” and Bejing Biden does not have a win.

    3) No state’s election results are being “thrown out”. The voting results might be declared invalid due to various illegal procedures and activities.

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      Richard C (NZ)

      >No state’s election results are being “thrown out”

      The issue is whether the 4 states keep their Electoral College votes (or not).

      Andrea Widberg – The argument [Pennsylvania’s] also fails because it’s a variation of the “you can’t disenfranchise Biden voters” fallacy that lies at the core of everything that the pro-Biden faction (which includes a lot of RINOS) asserts. If you haven’t read my post about the Texas lawsuit, let me repeat myself here — and even if you have read it, I’m going to repeat myself anyway because it’s such an important point:

      “That is a singularly dishonest argument. Disenfranchisement occurs when people are deprived of the right to vote. No one was deprived here. What Trump is doing, with his request that every legal vote count, is asking that courts invalidate illegal votes. You cannot disenfranchise an illegal voter, whether that “voter” is dead, a computer algorithm, or a form filled out in a Chinese print shop.”

      Do you know what happens when you invalidate fraudulent votes and count only legal votes? You identify the winner and loser in an election, as has happened in America since 1792. Those who voted for the losing candidate were not disenfranchised; they just voted for the losing candidate.

      Ensuring that an election is constitutionally and honestly conducted invalidates only votes that should not have been counted in the first place. Conversely, allowing a corrupt election to go forward — which is what the Democrats are insisting happen so as not to “disrupt” their plans to take over the White House — invalidates the vote of every legitimate voter in America.

      The risk of erasing legitimately cast votes is precisely the type of problem that a courageous Supreme Court should address.

      The big-picture issue is somewhat different:

      Tom LuongoThis isn’t about Trump or Biden winning the election. Fraud of this magnitude is unacceptable. Cheating of this size and scope cannot be countenanced nor can it be excused away as de rigeur and de facto evidence of our inevitable decline as a society.

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        TdeF

        It is possible. Drop boxes are open to fraud and they were not supposed to be used, but what proportion of fraud occurred is unknownable. So genuine votes may in fact be invalidated along with fraudulent votes, but this disenfranchisement applies equally to Trump and Biden voters.

        It is not the job of the Supreme court to correct this deliberate and intentional flouting of election procedures but to decide whether it can be condoned. The only safe decision is to invalidate the lot and if this happened in predominantly Democrat areas, the question is why it happened in predominantly Democrat areas and who was responsible?

        The same with the improper voting in Arizona where their Court decided it may have happened but the complaint should have been filed sooner. And that action is going to the Arizona Supreme Court. The general approach of fraudsters is to hope the election is over long before the fraud is detected or any legal action is stalled until after the inauguration in which case it is fair accompli.

        The importance of the Supreme Court in this is that it deals exclusively with matters which are impacted and determinable directly from the Constitution. A dispute between States is a matter only for the Supreme Court of the United States to resolve and this matter is urgent, impacting on the Presidential election. It is of such importance and urgency it cannot be stalled.

        If the Supreme Court finds that one state flouting election laws causes injury or loss to another, part of the obvious redress is to invalidate the votes affected, Biden and Trump votes. You cannot blame Trump or the Court for the rule breaking. Any injury or loss to Biden voters must be blamed on the people who openly flouted the law.

        Then if the cancellation of votes produces a hung election, again that is a consequence of illegal action by the people responsible. A contingent election would likely result and potentially severe legal penalties for those who flouted the rules. Cheating in an election is a very serious matter unless you win.

        Ask our own Dear Leader Daniel Andrews in Victoria who stacked branches and used public servants on salaries as electioneers. He will not investigate himself. It’s all about winning, which is why the DNC, Clintons, Obamas, Bidens, CIA and FBI are desperate to win at any cost.

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    David Maddison

    What are your thoughts on this?

    https://neonnettle.com/news/13250-dominion-engineer-told-antifa-he-d-made-sure-trump-wouldn-t-win-report-says

    (From 15th November, see link for full article.)

    Dominion Engineer Told Antifa He’d ‘Made Sure’ Trump Wouldn’t Win, Report Says

    Vice President of U.S. Engineering Eric Coomer shared anti-Trump posts online

    Dominion’s top engineer assured Antifa activists that he had “made f**king sure” that President Donald Trump wouldn’t win the presidential race, according to reports.

    Dominion Voting Systems’ Vice President of U.S. Engineering Eric Coomer allegedly spoke with Antifa members on conference calls and reportedly assured the other participants by saying:“Don’t worry about the election, Trump’s not gonna win. I made f**king sure of that!”

    Dominion Voting Systems is one of the largest voting technology companies in the United States.

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      David Maddison

      Eric Coomer in 2017 in Chicago explains how to alter votes in the Dominion voting system.

      https://youtu.be/UtB3tLaXLJE

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        David Maddison

        Also see:

        https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-extremist-at-dominion-voting-systems/

        (See link for full article.)

        A Twitter user named Joe Oltmann had tweeted a few screenshots of a Facebook user posting Antifa manifestos and songs about killing police. The Facebook account belonged to Eric Coomer, and Oltmann claimed it was the same Eric Coomer who is the Director of Product Strategy and Security for Dominion Voting Systems. Within hours of Oltmann posting the information, however, the Facebook page of Eric Coomer was taken down, so I was unable to verify that Antifa Coomer and Dominion Coomer were the same person. By the end of the day, Joe Oltmann’s Twitter account was suspended as well. I had followed his feed throughout the day. I can say with certainty that he posted nothing remotely offensive or provocative. I have no doubt whatsoever that Twitter suspended him for posting the screenshots of Coomer’s Facebook page. Interesting.

        Searching around some more, I found that Dominion Coomer is an avid climber who used to post frequently on climbing message boards under his own name. He confirmed it himself in a post where he mentioned getting his nuclear physics Ph.D from Berkeley in 1997. Dominion’s Eric Coomer received his nuclear physics Ph.D from Berkeley in 1997. In another post on the same message board, Coomer gave out his email address. It was his old campus address from the Berkeley nuclear physics department. I plugged that email address into the Google machine, and things got weird.

        I found Eric Coomer had a long history of posting on websites for skinheads. He was a heavy user of a Google Group for skinheads, and seems to have possibly been a content moderator for papaskin.com. Only these aren’t the neo-Nazis our mothers warned us about. These skinheads call themselves SHARPs, or Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice. Think of them as a sort of punk rock Antifa. In 2012, roughly 18 SHARPs attacked a smaller group of suspected racists in a Chicago restaurant with bats and batons. That same year, three neo-Nazis were charged for the 1998 double murder of two SHARPs in Nevada.

        Given that Dominion’s Director of Security and Strategy, Eric Coomer, was an enthusiast of a street fighting anti-racist skinhead culture going back at least into the 1990s, it seems very likely that Joe Oltmann was correct in identifying him as the Facebook user recently endorsing Antifa and posting anti-police rhetoric. I shared this information on a few message boards to let other people run with it. Within hours, Papa Skin, a skinhead website which had been up for over 20 years, was taken offline. (Whoever took it down missed the FAQ page, you can find it here http://www.papaskin.com/faq/faqs.html).

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      OldOzzie

      David Maddison – An Excellent Summary

      SILK SUMMARY: DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS

      Staple Street Capital, a private equity firm located in New York, purchased Dominion in 2018, according to a press release.

      The securities firm that arranged the transaction, UBS Securities LLC, is a division of UBS Americas Inc., which ultimately falls under UBS Group AG, a company listed on the SIX Swiss stock exchange.

      Three out of four board members of UBS Securities LLC are Chinese, at least one of whom appears to reside in Hong Kong, according to Bloomberg. UBS says it was one of the “first international banks to have a local presence” in China in the 1990s. In 2012, it formed the current company, UBS Securities Co. Ltd., which it says is the “first foreign-invested fully-licensed securities firm in China.”

      The Epoch Times visited Dominion offices in Denver and Toronto, which both appeared to be abandoned; the news outlet was denied entry to Smartmatic’s office in Florida.

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      Richard C (NZ)

      >”What are your thoughts on this?”

      Dominion Voting Systems is simply a Dedicated Election Fraud System (DEFS) beginning in Venezuela to keep Maduro in power.

      Since them they’ve spread the joy.

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      Richard C (NZ)

      ‘Years-Long Court Battle in Georgia Reveals Dominion’s Security Flaws, Weak Testing’

      Rushed implementation of voting system questioned as experts raised fundamental concerns

      Dominion Systems Don’t Conform to State Law

      Risk-Limiting Audits Deemed Unreliable

      VotingWorks Employed Risk-Limiting Audit in Georgia

      Encryption Claim Disputed by Court

      Testimony From Hursti

      Troubling Testing Results from Pro V&V

      Dominion’s Pre-Election ‘Software Patch’

      Halderman’s Criticisms of Pro V&V’s Work

      Epoch Times

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    Neo

    So…when do we find out if the SCOTUS will hear the case or not?

    Who’s involved (Trump and/or other states) is all meaningless fluff and theater and frankly doesn’t add any weight to the case. The only question for now is for SCOTUS to ascertain IF there is any merit in the actual application. I suspect there is not.

    You have to remember that a lot of Republicans are trying to appear to back Trump so they don’t get his rusted on supporters resenting them and face backlash down the track. Joining a case like this doesn’t cost them anything, keeps them ok with the “in” who are crowd looking for ANYTHING that tells them they wuz wobbed, and sets them up to grab at least some of those votes next time.

    And while we are all looking at the closing stages of the Trump show, maybe cast an eye over some genuinely relevant stuff:

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/parties-in-a-fix-over-radical-voting-reforms/news-story/cc1ff6a4e36043daa82d1a1253bc9d02

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      Richard C (NZ)

      >”Joining a case like this doesn’t cost them anything,…”

      They’re not signed on as Plaintiffs, so yes – just “virtue signalling” (see #49 downthread)

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    OldOzzie

    Pentagon to End Military Support for CIA Counterterrorism Missions

    The Pentagon is planning to cut most of the military support it provides to the CIA’s counterterrorism missions by Jan. 5.

    According to ABC News, the Pentagon has already informed the CIA of its plans. The network news attributed its information to a former senior administration intelligence official.

    The decision, described as both surprising and unprecedented, was reportedly detailed in a letter by Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller to CIA Director Gina Haspel.

    The CIA’s Special Activities Center has its own paramilitary force to carry out counterterrorism operations. However, it often relies on the military for transportation and logistical support, according to ABC News.

    The Defense One website had reported Wednesday that Pentagon officials were reviewing the Defense Department’s support to the CIA

    According to the report, political appointees at the Pentagon have been trying to determine whether military personnel “detailed” to the CIA would be used instead for mission related to competition with Russia and China

    “If these stories are true, they mark the end of a very strong and effective relationship between the CIA and the Defense Department,” Mick Mulroy, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense, told ABC News.

    “A relationship that has resulted in countless successes in the last 20 years, especially in the area of counterterrorism such as the Bin Laden and al-Baghdadi operations, but also in many that will remain unknown.

    “This could increase the risk to CIA officers until it can be readdressed by the incoming administration.”

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      RossP

      I think this is significant for a couple of reasons Ozzie. Why do it now? They must be confident of Team Trump staying in the WH.
      What has happened to initiate this move –have they found a lot of info on the Frankfurt server? It is it just a shot across the bows to try to rattle out a few whistle blowers?

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    OldOzzie

    Rep. Jordan to Newsmax TV: ‘Nothing Squares’ in 2020 Election

    Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, on Thursday told Newsmax TV that more investigation has to be done to get to the bottom of “all the strange things” about the 2020 presidential election.

    In an interview on “American Agenda,” Jordan quickly answered “I’m for that,” when questioned if he’d back a special counsel to look into any irregularities.

    “President [Donald] Trump wins 19 of the 20 bellwether counties around the country, increases his vote with hispanic Americans, African Americans,” Jordan said.

    “But somehow Joe Biden, who hung out in his basement, who would have a rally and get 55 people when the president would have a rally and get 55,000 people. Somehow Joe Biden gets 80 million votes and wins. He gets 12 million more votes than Barack Obama did.

    “Nothing squares with what we know and historically what’s happened,” Jordan continued. “That’s why I think it’s so critical we do everything we can to figure out exactly what took place.”

    According to Jordan, “all the strange things about this election” merit a deep-dive.

    “Seventy-five million voted for President Trump … close to 60 million people think the election was stolen” and “a third of the electorate does not believe” the balloting,” he said.

    “That is not a healthy situation.”

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    OldOzzie

    Trump Keeps Hope of Victory Alive in Remarks at WH Hanukkah Party

    President Donald Trump remained confident that he won the election during his remarks at the White House Hanukkah party on Wednesday, ensuring his supporters that he could serve in the highest office for four more years with the help of “certain very important people” with wisdom and courage.

    After wishing attendees a happy Hanukkah, Trump said of the 2020 presidential election, “We won this one and I really believe it’s a much bigger victory than even the first one,” according to Jewish Insider reporter Jacob Kornbluh.

    “You can’t have a country where somebody loses an election and he becomes president of the United States,” the president told his supporters, referring to Democrat Joe Biden.

    Trump added that with the assistance of “certain very important people, if they have wisdom and if they have courage, we are going to win this election in a landslide.” The crowd then started chanting “four more years.”

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        crakar24

        The PA house of reps has just joined the suit, your time will soon be up GA, i hope you have picked out the rock you intend to scurry to if not you better hurry up

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          TdeF

          Of course they were not going to roll over and plead guilty. So the usual arguments presented include the classic “you’re too late” and other courts have already made relevant decisions and Texas has no power to say how other states run their elections.

          But the validity of the Federal election in these four states is for the Supreme Court to decide. It is certainly not too late, the argument used in Arizona even though laws were clearly broken. And the idea that States can do as they please is not fine for a Federal election which is the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court alone.

          So the Supreme Court of the United States must decide whether what these four states have done likely amounts to substantial interference in a National election. If they decide this is the case, the other arguments are worthless. The Supreme Court will certainly not decide who should have won the election or who did win the election. Nor are they deciding if a Biden election would damage the plaintiffs. If the Supreme Court decides the case has been made, the question is what this means. The Supreme Court will not get down to County by county detail. A judgement of sufficient cause to invalidate the votes of these States in the Electoral College could lead to a hung election, a solution for which is already in the Constitution.

          This is what the 18 States support, that they have been cheated of a fair National election by the actions of officials in these four states. It’s a very simple argument. And the question is one of sufficient evidence and possibly only on the balance of probabilities. By openly flouting election rules and precedents in a National election these States and Arizona have challenged the authority of the Supreme Court and faced with a serious complaint supported by over 1/3 of the Union, these States may have forfeited their right to help decide the next President by popular vote.

          A fast contingent election is in the Constitution for just such a situation where some states will not play fair. It is the only simple fair solution.

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          That’s the second time you’ve mentioned this rock and that I scurry. What exactly is wrong with scurrying?

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      wokebuster

      It’s not very good. That means SCOTUS will almost certainly be persuaded by its arguments. Sorry just can’t help myself. My faith in the justice system is zero.

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    OldOzzie

    Chinese Money Launderer Called James Biden After FBI Arrest, Was Trying To Reach Hunter

    With Politico reporting on Wednesday that Hunter Biden’s criminal investigation covers potential money laundering, and CNN’s Simon Prokupecz reporting that the feds are looking into a 2017 gift to Hunter from CEFC China Energy Co. founder Ye Jianming – a 2.8-carat diamond, let’s revisit a prime example of what one Chinese professor described as ‘friends in high places’ within the Democratic party.

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    Richard C (NZ)

    ‘Less Electoral College? No, More Electoral College’
    Tom Luongo, Gold Goats ‘n Guns

    Frankly, I want Florida and other states who got their vote counts right to join with Texas here. Many have virtue signaled support for Texas but none have signed on as plaintiffs. And I do believe the more political pressure placed on the SCOTUS is what is needed to get a fair hearing of this case on the merits of the law. c.f. that whole fallen society thing above.

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    David Maddison

    As with The Left in general, the social(ist) media actively work toward the destruction of the United States and everything it stands for such as individual freedoms of various kinds and free speech. They do it with the assistance of a slave army of useful idiots who are too stupid and too uneducated to see what’s happening. These slaves will blindly follow their masters, the Socialist Billionaires, fully, with any instructions whatsoever issued to them, even when such instructions result in murder and massive property destruction as with the various riots we saw in the US.

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      PeterS

      I would also extend that grouping of “useful idiots” to include those who normally appear to be very intelligent and skilled in their own sphere of influence. That covers just abut every job or field known to man, such as doctors and other professionals. In other words, there are many who typically are like you and I but for whatever reason hate Trump with a vengeance, and as such either knowingly or not, side with the rat bag elements and extreme left. Case in point. I have a relative who is clever in his field and very intelligent. Yet he hates Trump so much he wished him dead. I haven’t as yet fully understood why. I think it’s because of Trump’s mannerisms, which we all agree are odd on occasion, but so what. That’s really not enough to hate a person that much, especially one who is intelligent. Perhaps it’s because has one quality that Trump also has; stubbornness. Still not a good enough reason though to hate him. One day I will figure it all out.

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        William Astley

        I totally agree. There are many people who now irrationally ‘hate’ Trump. In addition to the Left media haters which is sort of paid hate.

        Trump now shoots from the hip and acts as if he has a bit of chip on his shoulder. That persona worked for his old role. It does not work for his new role.

        The hate in the US that was irrationally directed at Donald Trump, can be dissipated, if Trump changes to help the country heal.

        Part of the explanation, is Trump is easy to parody now, because of his mannerisms which he is going to change, as Trump’s personal change is essential to the success of the plan, which he approved.

        Trump will change in part because he really does want to be liked/respected by the US people and in part because of his new aid’s gifts, she is exceptionally suited for this important task.

        One of the most newsworthy stories of 2021, will be the new WH Military aid which is the only change to the WH in the plan.

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      PeterS

      Oh, BTW. The relative I mentioned likes PM Morrison and is not an ALP supporter. Go figure. Humans are often very odd creatures indeed. No common sense. I think it has to do with critical thinking and logic. They are not taught where it’s needed, and in fact discouraged.

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    Whatever the standard, Texas cannot meet it. Noth-ing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas’s view that it can dictate the manner in which four sister States run their elections, and Texas suffered no harm because it dislikes the results in those elections. Further, Texas’s claims are also moot and barred by laches. The predicate for Texas to take action was established well before Election Day, but it waited until now—after all four States have certified their elections—to bring this action. While Texas waited to see the results, millions of voters relied on the settled rules. Those voters should not be punished for not choosing Texas’s preferred candidate, and Texas should not be rewarded for its unreasonable delay in bringing this action.

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      The cascading series of compounding defects in Texas’s filings is only underscored by the surreal alter-nate reality that those filings attempt to construct. That alternate reality includes an absurd statistical analysis positing that the probability of President-Elect Biden winning the election was “one in a quadril-lion.” Bill of Complaint at 6. Texas’s effort to get this Court to pick the next President has no basis in law or fact. The Court should not abide this seditious abuse of the judicial process, and should send a clear and un-mistakable signal that such abuse must never be repli-cated.

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        just to fill you in on the “statistical calculations by Mr Cicchetti- from wiki

        A donor to Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign[4], Cicchetti filed a declaration supporting Texas in Texas v. Pennsylvania, Texas’s lawsuit seeking to prevent Pennsylvania, Georgia, Wisconsin, and Michigan from certifying their electors for Joe Biden in the 2020 United States presidential election.[5] In the declaration he claimed that, given Trump’s lead in the popular vote in those states on election night, the probability of Biden coming from behind and ultimately winning the state was “one in a quadrillion”. He based his analysis on the assumption that votes are evenly and randomly distributed among geographic regions, demographics, and voting method, so that any two large groups of voters should generate similar results.[6] This approach was described as “ludicrous” and “statistical incompetence” by several academics.

        with a thorough slap down in many places, e.g. here https://reason.com/volokh/2020/12/09/more-on-statistical-stupidity-at-scotus/

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          Richard C (NZ)

          Rules for Radicals – Saul Alinsky

          #13 “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

          Nicely applied Gee Aye.

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          markx

          Yes, another case where if there is a statistician involved, he is being deliberately deceptive. But, more likely, he’s not actually a real statistician.

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      OriginalSteve

      No, Texas did suffer, simply because if you trash the integrity of the election in those 4 states, by extension you remove any certainty Texas that its election results have integrity, especially if they use the same voting systems.

      I dont have an LLB but can ubderstand it….

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    markx

    MSM reporting: FORBES:

    Texas filed a lawsuit Tuesday challenging Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia and Wisconsin’s voting rules and attempting to invalidate their election results, which six states and Trump are trying to join and 11 other states have supported.

    In a response to Texas’ complaint Thursday, Pennsylvania said the litigation is “legally indefensible and is an affront to principles of constitutional democracy” that adds to a “cacophony of bogus claims” about the election, with claims that are “moot, meritless and dangerous.”

    Wisconsin similarly said the litigation is “devoid of a legal foundation or a factual basis” with “flat out wrong” claims about Wisconsin state law, while Michigan said the lawsuit is “without factual foundation or a valid legal basis.”

    Georgia, whose Republican attorney general submitted a response, also opposed Texas’ claims, saying they “violate the principles of federalism and separation of powers, are incompatible with Congress’s…mechanisms for resolving presidential election disputes, and would do more damage to legislative prerogatives than anything alleged in the proposed Complaint.”

    23 states and territories, led by Washington D.C., filed an amicus brief opposing Texas’ arguments, which they said “would upend a century’s worth of this Court’s precedent; render unconstitutional routine and critical election administration; and supplant states’ sovereign power to structure their own systems of government.”

    Ohio also filed its own amicus brief, which is not in support of either side of the litigation, but said the state “cannot support Texas’s plea for relief,” believing it “would violate, not honor, the Electors Clause” of the U.S. Constitution.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/10/over-25-states-and-territories-slam-texas-supreme-court-lawsuit-to-overturn-election/?sh=3b1741763d86

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      PeterS

      In other words this particular filing is in an attempt to convince the SCOTUS to reject the other filing by Texas. The conclusion says it all:
      “This Court should deny Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of complaint.”
      So Texas is telling Texas to go jump? How odd. Typical of the lefties.

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        >”So Texas is telling Texas to go jump? How odd. Typical of the lefties.”

        No, this is all the panic stricken Dem states lining up with hastily compiled support for the defendants. And they’re attempting to distract from the nub of the case.

        Bill of Complaint:

        Amici States, moreover, have a critical interest in ensuring that their sister states— Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin—can give effect to the millions of lawfully cast votes targeted by Texas’s lawsuit.

        Err no. The target is UNlawfully cast votes.

        If the the 4 states lose their Electoral College votes that will be the fault of those 4 states acting unlawfully – no one else is to blame.

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    OldOzzie

    “Built Back Better” sums up the Democrats & US Media

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      TdeF

      More like “you steal our election and we will steal yours”. The ends justify the means with the full support of China and Venezuela and Soros and more. The whole Dominion thing stinks.

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    OldOzzie

    The Democrats Are in Bed with China, Literally

    The most shocking thing about the recent news story that flatulent Russiagate hoaxer and American-nuking enthusiast Rep. Eric Swalwell was caught intertwined with a Chinese honey pot is…well, actually nothing about it is shocking. This is totally on-brand for the Dems and especially this particular clown. It’s not clear how far he got with this Democrat-diddling doxie, but the best case for Swalwell is that he was a fool who couldn’t see how unlikely it was for a DC 8 (and real world 5) to want anything to do with him other than as a mark. The worst case is that he eagerly betrayed his country for a roll in the rice with this Beijing bimbo.

    Either way, he’s a disgrace.

    And, as Tucker pointed out in a great monologue, the Establishment is all-in on catering to the commies. It is bought and paid for, owned and happy, and dedicated to selling you out. And a President Biden*, in the event he is inaugurated, will happily continue the fire sale of American physical, intellectual, and moral assets to the reds.

    This has happened before. The Roman elite was regularly bought off by rich foreigners, who showed up and found all the Senators with their grubby palms out and “Orfay Alesay” signs pinned to their togas. And we all know what happened to the Roman Republic. Well, actually a lot of us don’t because we went to public schools and our teachers were more focused on trying to get us to change genders than on such mundane things as “learning” and “teaching.” Bottom line – it did not end well.

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    Orson

    Well summarised, Joanne. And the concluding Instapundit and Glenn Reynolds queries add truthful emphasis to the evil Decepti-con of treason a Marxist Medis in the US, today, too.

    I think SCOTUS takes up the case but walks on the remedy.

    Why THIS? Because they — the squishes on the Court like Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Breyer, and likely Cavanaugh — have no clue that this cause is a good hill for Patriots to die on. The media Gestapo prevents anyone near their decepticon Fun House of Mirrors from knowing otherwise.
    .
    The only solution? TELL SCOTUS, TELL STATE LEGISLATORS, TELL CONGRESS otherwise.

    The case for CW2 is easy to tell. A stolen election is our final straw because the Party of Slavocratic Tyranny (Democrats, the Party of Slavery) wants to impose a New Tyranny composed of a Post-Constitutional New Order with a single party State to impose its will upon us. They say so.

    We refuse fascism and will die to oppose it! Kill it! Or be killed!

    The Slavocracy have used paramilitary intimidation force their will and intimidate us into submission. And then FAKE Democracy to “win” power to impose it. No More! Never Again!

    Such a scenario is common in history from the Weimar Republic to the Bolshevik Revolution. And since then.

    If the Constitution is meaningless, then the Rule of Law is irrelevant. And when government becomes destructive of these just ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it. Or some such thing ALL Justices and Office Holders ought to know — ie, their essential Thomas Jefferson.

    In his video “Civil War – Release the Kraken” by Terrance Popp, the findings of military cyber intelligence will prove that the election steal benefits foreign interests of China and Iran. But plotted by Dems? Aided by…the CIA?

    And Popp and Mike Adams at naturalnews.com, as well as Sydney Powell and Gen. McInerney and Flynn, apparently agree that this evidence will be forthcoming with SCOTUS attention.
    https://d.tube/#!/v/redonkulas12/hwd4uvf9ts1

    Ante up,anyone?

    The rest of Popp’s insights or guesses, I leave for others to decide.

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    David Maddison

    The Left are out to destroy all values of The Enlightenment and return us to the Dark Ages.

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    Stephen@aus

    I object most strongly to your calling those 4 states “corrupt” they have simply followed their legal voting procedures and amended (in their respective parliaments) mail-in voting to account for the pandemic, leadership that Trump sorely lacks in his narcissistic alternate universe.
    I most strongly agree with Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro in labeling the effort to negate millions of citizens’ ballots a “seditious abuse of the judicial process…. Texas seeks to invalidate elections in four states for yielding results with which it disagrees,” Shapiro told the justices in legal papers. “Its request for this court to exercise its original jurisdiction and then anoint Texas’s preferred candidate for president is legally indefensible and is an affront to principles of constitutional democracy.”
    …in your savage glee you also fail to mention that those 4 states have been joined by 20 others in opposing Texas’ naked grab for power on behalf of Trump! That is where the true corruption is… Trump and his neo-fascist cronies!
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/10/democratic-republican-states-feud-over-supreme-court-election-dispute/3885339001/

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      Chad

      J

      Stephen@aus
      December 11, 2020 at 10:25 am · Reply
      I object most strongly to your calling those 4 states “corrupt” they have simply followed their legal voting procedures and amended (in their respective parliaments) mail-in voting to account for the pandemic, ……
      …. Texas seeks to invalidate elections in four states for yielding results with which it disagrees

      Spin , spin, spin,
      Somebody didnt read the suit or understand the objection.
      It has nothing to do with the outcome of the voting, it is all about following Electorial rules.
      Texas (etc) alledge Those states did NOT adhere to Election rules and legal proceedures when they changes the “mail in” voting.

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      PeterPetrum

      I object most strongly to your calling those 4 states “corrupt” they have simply followed their legal voting procedures and amended (in their respective parliaments) mail-in voting to account for the pandemic,

      The issue is, Stephen, that the decisions to change the voting rules, allowing unbridled posting out of unrequested ballot papers and allowing votes to be accepted and counted for days after the election closed, were not amended in “the respective parliaments” but were made by unelected city and state officials, and by judges that thought they could change the laws, instead of enforcing them. Only the elected legislators can change these rules, and that is the basis of the Texas case

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      Stephen

      You realise it was Attorney General Josh Shapiro who effectively called an election win in PA for Joe Biden a few days before election day.
      I do not think it was a joke at the time, but anyway his opinion at this time can hardly be taken seriously.

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      Richard C (NZ)

      >”I most strongly agree with Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro in labeling the effort to negate millions of citizens’ ballots a “seditious abuse of the judicial process…”

      Jonathan Turley on Twitter:

      Did John Adams write the Pennsylvania brief calling the Texas lawsuit a “seditious abuse of the judicial process?” [snip]

      Filing with the Supreme Court is the very antithesis of sedition.

      https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1337187293837348864

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        RossP

        >”I most strongly agree with Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro in labelling the effort to negate millions of citizens’ ballots a “seditious abuse of the judicial process…”

        Well Mr Turley, what about negating millions of ballots because of blatant fraud in the 4 states? Is that somehow different?

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          >”Well Mr Turley”

          No that was Stephen@aus #60.

          Turley was responding to Shapiro’s “seditious abuse” claim.

          Texas has responded similarly in their reply:

          7 D. Texas has standing to sue.

          Voting rights are fundamental, Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886), and the Senate is a body in which Defendant States’ actions threaten Texas’s voting rights. U.S. CONST. art. V, cl. 3 (States’ “equal suffrage in the Senate”). With that standing in its own right, Texas can assert parens patriae standing for its citizens.2

          Although Pennsylvania characterizes this action as a “seditious abuse of the judicial process,” Penn. Br. 2, and ‘uniquely unserious,” id. at 11, Texas seeks to enforce the right that preserves all others in a democratic republic: suffrage. Reynolds v. Sims, 377 U.S. 533, 561-62 (1964). Whatever Pennsylvania’s
          definition of sedition, moving this Court to cure grave threats to Texas’s right of suffrage in the Senate and its citizens’ rights of suffrage in presidential elections
          upholds the Constitution, which is the very opposite of sedition.

          The potential loss of suffrage rights meets the serious-magnitude test that Pennsylvania poses, Penn. Br. 13, and the purely legal nature of Defendant States’ violations meets its clear-and-convincing test.

          Texas’ reply to Defendants at #94 downthread

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          #60.4.1.1 comment is awaiting moderation.

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    OldOzzie

    Richard Grenell: Don’t forget those 50 intelligence officers who called the Hunter Biden emails Russian disinformation

    But remember those 50 former senior intelligence officers who signed a letter saying the Hunter Biden emails had all the earmarks of Russian disinformation?

    None of these people had been briefed on the matter when they wrote this letter in October, but they used their intel backgrounds to manufacture a political distraction in coordination with their go-to advocate
    @NatashaBertrand

    They were all wrong.

    Replying to @RichardGrenell and @NatashaBertrand

    All 50 Are complicit in election interference

    They weren’t wrong, they were lying.
    There is a difference.

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    Chris

    Trump names traitors and seditionists. newtube.app:NBL:YY96vHd

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    OldOzzie

    Hello, 9-1-1? We’d like to report a MURDER: Ted Cruz just absolutely NUKED Eric Swalwell and his #FangBang and OMG-LOL

    These are the moments that make Twitter bearable.

    Ted Cruz decided to take a swing at Eric Swalwell and his alleged connection to a Chinese intelligence operative whom many have begun to refer to as #FangBang. Ok, so it’s just this editor who has done that but it rhymes and makes us laugh so why not?

    Ted’s was better, of course:

    Ted Cruz
    @tedcruz

    More than once, I’ve said “screw the Chinese communists.”

    Little did I know how closely Swalwell was listening.

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      Fuel Filter

      Hilarious!!

      Nobody EVER accused Ted for not having a great sense of humor!

      And Swalwell is SUCH a slimeball.

      Every time I see him I feel the need to take a very hot shower…

      What a complete dirtbag.

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    stephen@aus

    Chris Carr, Georgia’s Republican attorney general, said Texas could not show it had been harmed by the election results in other states. “The novel and far-reaching claims that Texas asserts, and the breathtaking remedies it seeks, are impossible to ground in legal principles and unmanageable,” Carr wrote in Georgia’s filing.
    Republican state attorney general, Dave Yost of Ohio, filed a separate brief on Thursday disagreeing with the Texas proposal that votes be tossed out, saying that it “would undermine a foundational premise of our federalist system: the idea that the States are sovereigns, free to govern themselves”.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/10/us-election-texas-lawsuit-georgia-pennsylvania-michigan-wisconsin

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      TdeF

      As above, they only have to show that the four states likely and significantly interfered with the fairness of a Federal election. They do not have to demonstrate consequential damages or decide who won or should have won. And the states are free to govern themselves, but not to do as they please in running a Federal election. As members of the Union bound by the Constitution, they are bound by the rules set by the Union and the Supreme Court is the referee and ultimate interpreter of the Constitution which binds them.

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        TdeF

        And there is the question of whether the Supreme Court would want to rule on such a matter and affect the election.

        Firstly it is their entire job, their major reason to exist, the Constitution. Then there is the open threat by Biden and Harris to dilute and so destroy the power of the Supreme Court and thus the importance of the Constitution. That may be enough reason to take a very public stand in this election when the people making the threats against the court are the very same people caught cheating. It’s not a legal argument but it is certainly a motivation to take the matter very seriously and not duck their responsibilities.

        Cheating on a massive scale in the National election overseen by the Supreme Court is about as serious as it gets and thanks to this suit, it must be addressed and can be addressed, not shoved under the carpet as the culprits and the media pretend it is not a serious matter.

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    Richard C (NZ)

    106 House Republicans Sign Brief Backing Texas Supreme Court Lawsuit Against Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia and Wisconsin
    Gateway Pundit

    Pennsylvania’s House of Representatives Joins Texas in Suit Against Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan and Georgia
    Gateway Pundit

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      Analitik

      You have to wonder why the Pennsylvania’s House of Representatives didn’t move the nullify the election result themselves. Did they want this to happen so they could support a move to nullify the results for the other 3 suspicious swing states as well as their own?

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        Richard C (NZ)

        They’re only supporting, not joining as plaintiffs. Given that, they appear to lack the fortitude.

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          Roger Knights

          QA single house of a legislature probably doesn’t have standing to join as a plaintiff.

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            Richard C (NZ)

            >”QA single house of a legislature probably doesn’t have standing to join as a plaintiff”

            These guys joined as a plaintiff:

            A motion by “state legislators and voters” represented by the Justice Foundation and the Amistad Project of the Thomas More Society, seeking to intervene and join the case as plaintiffs

            Note “seeking”.

            Nothing to stop a single house of a legislature from same.

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    OldOzzie

    6 Things To Know About Texas’s Supreme Court Petition Over 2020’s Messed-Up Election

    Texas argues that the case ‘presents constitutional questions of immense national consequences,’ namely that the 2020 election suffered from serious constitutional irregularities.

    1. This Is Not Bush v. Gore
    2. The Time Is Short—And the Court Has Already Acted
    3. Texas Presents Serious Constitutional Claims
    4. Texas’s Standing to Sue
    5. Texas Is Not Seeking to Overturn the Election—Or Install Trump
    6. Texas Brings the Quotes

    The Texas attorney general’s legal team excelled in its briefing. With clear and striking facts and detailed and persuasive argument, Texas has made a solid case for Supreme Court involvement, and along the way, the legal team included some stellar quotes—some from years past and some new classics, such as this opener:

    Our Country stands at an important crossroads. Either the Constitution matters and must be followed, even when some officials consider it inconvenient or out of date, or it is simply a piece of parchment on display at the National Archives. We ask the Court to choose the former.

    If the Supreme Court does intervene, it will indeed be “in the spirit of Marbury v. Madison,” as Texas put it.

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    OldOzzie

    Michael Flynn: There’s an ‘Anti-American’ Sentiment in the DoJ, FBI, Intel Community

    The other things that, you know — the 2016 campaign, 2016 transition, and then into the White House. This entire effort — when people say hey, Mike, I’m sorry for what happened to you, what I tell people is don’t feel sorry for me. Feel sorry for this president, feel sorry for the presidency of this country, and be outraged at what they tried to do to this country.

    And that’s really what this was about. This was about going after a president who won an election and they — by all rights, they figured oh, no way is he going to win.

    So imagine if these people that went after the president — or after President Trump and his presidency in our country — imagine if they had allowed him to just say, “Hey, let’s see what this can do.” We’d probably be double or triple in every category of economy, our military, everything. And look at what President Trump has been able to do despite the kind of assault that he’s been under.

    And we’re still facing that right now in this current election. We have an element in our country, some of which is in the institutions of our government — the Department of Justice and certainly, the FBI and other elements like the intelligence community that just basically are — I mean, I think most Americans would agree or many Americans would agree that there’s an anti-American sense inside of some of these institutions. And they just do not want to see our country thrive in the way that I think Donald Trump has been able to do that despite the assault on him and his ability to lead this country.

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    OldOzzie

    Tucker Carlson Says Los Angeles About to ‘Collapse’ After ‘Legalizing’ Crimes

    Democrats at Work

    The Quote

    During the Tuesday edition of Tucker Carlson Tonight, Carlson offered the following harsh words for Democratic Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascón:

    “Our second largest city is on the verge of collapse tonight, we’re sad to say. They’ve legalized a whole laundry list of crimes. People will flee Los Angeles…. George Gascón was sworn in as the district attorney of the city of Los Angeles on Monday of this week… If you’ve not heard that name you should know that Gascón is best known for destroying the city of San Francisco. He was the district attorney there for eight years, from 2011 to 2019. Under his tenure, San Francisco led the state of California in property crimes and violent crimes but ranked near the bottom in arrests. You might be wondering, with someone with a track record like that, how that person could move up and become DA in Los Angeles, or anywhere? And the answer, of course, is that he had powerful help. Gascón’s campaign received millions of dollars from George Soros and other left wing donors, people who don’t live anywhere near the communities he plans to destroy. And he does plan to.”

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    OldOzzie

    Trump’s Greatest Achievement

    Ben Weingarten

    The president has exposed the rot and corruption of our ruling class.

    No matter how the presidential election ends, one of President Donald Trump’s myriad achievements stands above all others: he has exposed the unprecedented degree of rot and corruption that pervades the American system.

    More specifically, Trump has exposed the ruling class: the bipartisan political establishment and its adjuncts in Big Tech, the corporate media, Big Business and Woke Capital, the academy, and across the commanding heights of American society.

    Trump’s manners engender hatred in the ruling class. Even more significantly, his tenacity in confronting the ruling class’s members with their failures—and the fact he has threatened to rectify those failures—discredits and disempowers those responsible for them. Their response—a perpetual effort to destroy him—has shown the ruling class to be lawless and tyrannical.

    Consequently, the ruling class has obliterated the institutions it claimed to be defending, revealing to those Americans not addled by Trump Derangement Syndrome that the emperor has no clothes. Americans willing to look can now see that those institutions which ostensibly exist to serve us have no reservations about launching a full-scale assault on us if it serves their interests.

    Consider what we have learned about the leaders of the country in the last four years.

    This brings us to today.

    – The Fix

    – Never Forget

    Long – but Excellent Read

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      markx

      A bit of a disappointing read, OldOzzie.

      When I got to the bit about “Consider what we have learned about the leaders of the country in the last four years” I was expecting a coherent and detailed list.

      But it is just dogma, and dog-whistles, and reads a lot like a PRC or Russian propaganda piece, full of catchwords and indignation and re-interpreted events, but details nothing of substance.

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      Lucky

      I read the article and agree.
      There many lists of the achievements of President Trump.
      But this article gives the big one, of how Trump has exposed the decay, cynicism, and corruption of a class that is promoting national destruction. We used to call this class The Establishment, newer terms are Deep State, and the political class. This behavior was common in empires of the past, it worked- well it survived for a while – as long as the population could remain loyal to the myths.

      Things have changed, the lower classes can think, myths of the superiority of our rulers are shattered, people are informed by a free press aided by technology. Deep State are fighting a rearguard action, frantic in keeping mass media and social technology under control.
      They have had successes with big media and big tech. Then Trump. He has characteristics which many do not like but are essential to the task. He does not obey the old rules but fights back with the rough language of the totalitarian thugs, he obeys only the constitution.

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    Melissa

    How can I do better than stating the facts?, should I make up stuff to feed your narrative?.

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      Lance

      Please reference the comment to which you refer.
      Otherwise, your comment is meaningless because it lacks linkage and context.
      Thanks for that.

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      Analitik

      What facts?

      States can sue for violation of the US Constitution since they are bound to abide by that as THE condition for membership of the Union and that is why this case has gone straight to the SCOTUS

      Try learning the subject before posting

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    Lance

    This is worth noting. I think.

    US Dept of Defense Order of Succession E.O.

    Odd to have this issued at this time, under present conditions. 18 layers deep.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-providing-order-succession-within-department-defense/

    Mundane or Preparatory Order? No Idea.

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    David Maddison

    The really scary thing about The Left is that the current fraud fiasco in the US, the censorship of conservatives, the earlier riots plus the willingness of the Slave Army of Useful Idiots to do absolutely ANYTHING (including murder) to please their Billionaire Socialist controllers does not bode well for the United States or Western Civilisation in general.

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    OldOzzie

    Democrats Pay Off Intrusive IT Man Imran Awan

    And Biden taps Awan’s collaborator Xavier Becerra for HHS boss.

    Of all the IT people in all the IT firms in all the world, House Democrats thought Imran Awan was best man for the job. Sometimes working from his native Pakistan, Awan and his family team accessed the computers of some 40 Democrats, including those on the intelligence and foreign affairs committees. Without their consent Awan and his team stashed the Democrats’ data on a server controlled by Xavier Becerra, chair of the House Democratic Caucus.

    Capitol Police wanted a copy of the server but the one Awan produced turned out to be a fake. In February, 2017, Awan and his team got booted off the House computer network, but Becerra had already fled to California where Gov. Jerry Brown made him state attorney general. Becerra had nothing to say about Awan’s IT intrigue, and he got additional protection from federal judge Tanya S. Chutkan.

    The Obama appointee repeatedly delayed Awan’s trial on bank-fraud charges, and the case did not become a factor in the 2018 election that kept Becerra in the AG slot.

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    OldOzzie

    Sen. Ron Johnson does not rule out possibility of challenging Electoral College results

    Johnson, who chairs the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, announced Wednesday that the committee will hold a hearing next week about election irregularities.

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    OldOzzie

    The Supreme Court has been flooded with filings since Texas launched its case against Pennsylvania and three other states on Monday night, increasing the likelihood that the Court will finally hear a challenge to the 2020 presidential election results

    In addition to the original filing by the State of Texas, there are 17 other filings, including:

    The sheer scale of filings in just three days — including from Democrats and groups on the left — for a case that the Supreme Court has not yet said it will hear may increase the chance that it will do so.

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      Richard C (NZ)

      A motion to intervene by President Donald Trump
      An amici curiae (“friends of the court”) brief by Missouri, on behalf of itself and “Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, and West Virginia” in support of Texas’s case
      An amici curiae brief filed by Carter Phillips and other “Never Trump” Republican opponents of the president, supporting Pennsylvania and the defendant states
      An amici curiae brief filed by Roy Moore and other “constitutional attorneys” in support of the Texas case.
      An amicus curiae brief filed by Arizona, urging the Court to act quickly
      Responses to the Texas filing by each of the defendant states
      An amici curiae brief filed by the District of Columbia and “States and territories of California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia, U.S. Virgin Islands, and Washington” in support of Pennsylvania and the defendant states
      A motion by Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Utah to intervene as plaintiffs
      Two amicus curiae motions by members of the Pennsylvania house and senate, respectively, urging the Court to take the Texas case
      An amicus curiae motion by the Christian Family Coalition in support of the Texas case
      An amici curiae brief by the speaker and majority leader of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives in support of the Texas case
      A motion by “state legislators and voters” represented by the Justice Foundation and the Amistad Project of the Thomas More Society, seeking to intervene and join the case as plaintiffs; their complaint was also filed
      An amici curiae brief by 105 Republican members of the House of Representatives
      An amici curiae brief by elected officials from four states in support of the Texas case
      An amicus curiae brief by the City of Detroit in support of Pennsylvania and the defendants
      An amicus curiae brief by the Justice and Freedom Fund in support of the Texas case

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      I see only ONE motion seeking to intervene and join the case as plaintiffs.

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      TdeF

      It increases the chance of SCOTUS ordered ‘Contingent election’, removing the basis of all these actions and replacing a seriously compromised popular election process with a fast and certain election. And as the sole referee, they can do it.

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    OldOzzie

    ‘The Big One’ Gets Bigger: 15 Michigan Legislators Join Texas Election Lawsuit

    On Thursday, 15 Republican legislators in Michigan filed a motion in support of Attorney General Ken Paxton’s (R-Texas) lawsuit challenging the 2020 presidential election results in four key swing states, including Michigan. The legislators joined the Amistad Project of the Thomas More Society in supporting the Texas lawsuit, which asks the Supreme Court to remand the election results to swing-state legislatures for review and potential reversal.

    “The state legislature serves as an ‘insurance policy’ against election officials who abuse or misuse their power,” State Rep. Daire Rendon, one of the legislators who signed on to the brief, said in a statement. “And our election officials failed in their primary duty. They had one job — to follow Michigan election law as it is written, not as they wish it to be — and they failed it.”

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    Dennis

    Texas, Our Texas! All hail the mighty State!
    Texas, Our Texas! So wonderful so great!
    boldest and grandest, withstanding ev’ry test
    O Empire wide and glorious, you stand supremely blest.

    God bless you Texas! And keep you brave and strong,
    That you may grow in power and worth, throughout the ages long.

    Texas, O Texas! your freeborn single star,
    Sends out its radiance to nations near and far,
    Emblem of Freedom! it sets our hearts aglow,
    With thoughts of San Jacinto and glorious Alamo.

    God bless you Texas! And keep you brave and strong,
    That you may grow in power and worth, throughout the ages long.

    Texas, dear Texas! From tyrant grip now free,
    Shine forth in splendor your star of destiny
    Mother of heroes, we come your children true.
    Proclaiming our allegiance, our faith, our love for you.

    God bless you Texas! And keep you brave and strong,
    That you may grow in power and worth, throughout the ages long.

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    OldOzzie

    Tucker Carlson: Hunter Biden fiasco shows dishonesty, arrogance of mainstream media elites

    If the press doesn’t start doing its job, another special counsel becomes inevitable

    No stone was left unturned. It was 12 minutes of Tucker unleashing fury on the professional news suppression artists in the mainstream media. Watch:

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      Chris

      I can’t help wondering if this action against the Bidens is not part of the master plan. Kill the Hunter Biden story until such time as Biden has “won the election”, then put the pressure on the Bidens so that Joe will have to resign after the inauguration and Kamala and her handlers will have complete control. Trump has already named the traitors http://newtube.app/NBL/YY96vHd

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    OldOzzie

    CCP Expert: We Can’t Fix Trump Via Wall Street, But with Biden …

    (Jennifer’s note: Below is the translation of the speech by Di Dongsheng, Vice Dean of the School of International Relations, Renmin University of China, Vice Director and Secretary of the Center for Foreign Strategic Studies of China on Nov. 28, in Shanghai, China.

    The theme of the event was “Will China’s Opening up of its Financial Sector Attract Wall Street Wolf?

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      OldOzzie

      The Hunter Biden Criminal Probe Bolsters a Chinese Scholar’s Claim About Beijing’s Influence With the Biden Administration

      Professor Di Dongsheng says China’s close ties to Wall Street and its dealings with Hunter both enable it to exert more power now than it could under Trump.

      None of this means that Trump was some sort of stalwart enemy of Wall Street. From massive corporate tax cuts to rollbacks of regulations in numerous industries and many of their own in key positions, the financial sector benefited in all sorts of ways from the Trump presidency.

      But all of their behavior indicates that they view a Biden/Harris administration as far more beneficial to their interests, and far more susceptible to their control. And that, in turn, makes Beijing far more confident that they will wield significantly more influence in Washington than they could over the last four years.

      That confidence is due, says Professor Di, to Beijing’s close ties to a newly empowered Wall Street as well as their efforts to cultivate Hunter Biden, efforts we are likely to learn much more about now that Hunter’s activities in China are under active criminal investigation in Delaware. We should and could have learned about these transactions prior to the election had the bulk of the media not corruptly decided to ignore any incriminating reporting on Biden, but learning about them now is, one might say, a case of better late than never.

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        markx

        That all reeks of China stirring the pot and promoting further confusion and chaos in the US election.
        Do you think they’d really be crowing out loud just as their supposedly favoured election result comes through?

        I’d say there is a good chance of Taiwan getting swatted if the US really runs further off the rails in the next few months.

        I marvel that all this disinformation works at all, but we just keep seeing more and more abundant evidence it does.

        “The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” (supposedly said by Winston Churchill)

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    David Maddison

    ***BREAKING***

    Beyond belief. And does the fact that two people are named “person” of the year mean that Biden is really Harris’ puppet?

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/time-person-of-the-year-joe-biden-kamala-harris-named/ebf8b4d8-a3ca-4eae-85ce-aee5734f2647

    ***BREAKING***

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      TdeF

      I subscribed to Time Magazine for years, for an American perspective. Then it went extreme left. Now like Melbourne’s Age, it is so thin it make a bus ticket look like good reading. All they have left are their memories and their Socialist of the Year award.

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      markx

      Agreed. That is plain ridiculous. Almost up there with the great embarrassment of Obama getting a Nobel for getting elected.

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      David Maddison

      This ought to be a joke but it is actually true.

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    stephen@aus

    Most excellent news just in….
    “Biden and Harris named Time’s Person of the Year”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55270322

    Thoroughly well deserved win against corruption, lies and mis-information spread by Trump and his sycophants!

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    Dnaxy

    What would the west do if China seized Taiwan?
    What we did for Hong Kong?

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      Peter C

      Which was presumably nothing.
      Maybe that is not quite right. Hong Kong looks to the USA as a beacon of Hope. Let us all hope it can fulfil that expectation.

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    stephen@aus

    “The Supreme Court has a chance to save our Country from the greatest Election abuse in the history of the United States,” Mr Trump wrote on Twitter on Thursday.
    …yes, Mr. Trump, they can, by throwing your desperate, last-ditch effort to steal this election out!

    As Jeb Bush wrote on Twitter:

    @JebBush

    This is crazy. it will be killed on arrival. Why are smart people advancing this notion? Let it go. The election is over.

    …or Frank Luntz:

    @FrankLuntz

    “Texas could not even get its Solicitor General — the man who argues on behalf of the state before the Supreme Court — to sign onto the lawsuit.” https://twitter.com/ewerickson/status/1337006233698643968…

    11:11 AM · Dec 11, 2020
    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/us-news/us-election/2020/12/11/texas-election-court-challenge/

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    <a href=”https://kleinefeldmausorgnz.files.wordpress.com/2020/11/bidens-zombies.gif?w=640Biden’s zombies move in – in the meantime

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    I was foolishly listening to the abc a while ago tonight, and some dill was talking about how the rate of sea level rise was much faster around some pacific islands, due to “climate change”. I could not believe the stupidity of this quite lengthy segment. There is a reason it is called “sea LEVEL”

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      RickWill

      Yep – I agree. You have to be foolish to actually listen to their ABC – commiserations. I hope you get well soon.

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    Roger Knights

    For some interesting links and well-written arguments against the validity of this election, read the head post and comments by (best-selling thriller-writer) Michael Prescott at https://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2020/11/politics-etc.html

    (One has to hit “Next” at the end of each page to see the whole thing.)

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    Paul G.

    With many instances of voting fraud attested to, there may be one possible line for challenging the election validity. If it can be demonstrated that there had been an organized attempt by the Democrats to falsify the election, then, presumably it would have to be the US Supreme Court, which could be asked to rule that the Democrat’s presidential candidate(s) be disqualified, without having prove by the votes counted were significant.

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    Henning Nielsen

    Constitutional crises? What Constitution? That’s just so pre-Obama stuff! If we need one, we’ll make one up as we go. On the way to Chinamerica.

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    TEXAS TELLS SCOTUS THAT DEFENDANT STATES DIDN’T ADDRESS ‘GRAVE’ ELECTION ISSUES
    Zero Hedge

    In the new reply [linked below], Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and other state attorneys said the defendant states “do not seriously address grace issues that Texas raises, choosing to hide behind other court venues and decisions in which Texas could not participate and to mischaracterize both the relief that Texas seeks and the justification for that relief.”

    “An injunction should issue because Defendant States have not—and cannot—defend their actions,” they added.

    Texas is not asking the Supreme Court to reelect President Donald Trump, according to the filing, nor does it seek to disenfranchise lawful voters.

    “To both points, Texas asks this Court to recognize the obvious fact that Defendant States’ maladministration of the 2020 election makes it impossible to know which candidate garnered the majority of lawful votes. The Court’s role is to strike unconstitutional action and remand to the actors that the Constitution and Congress vest with authority for the next step,” the lawyers argued.

    “Inaction would disenfranchise as many voters as taking action allegedly would. Moreover, acting decisively will not only put lower courts but also state and local officials on notice that future elections must conform to State election statutes, requiring legislative ratification of any change prior to the election. Far from condemning this and other courts to perpetual litigation, action here will stanch the flood of election-season litigation.”

    REPLY IN SUPPORT OF MOTION FOR PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION AND TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER OR, ALTERNATIVELY, FOR STAY AND ADMINISTRATIVE STAY
    State of Texas No. 22O155, Original

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      Richard C (NZ)

      Texas’ reply really pokes Shapiro et al.

      Example – C. The public interest favors interim relief:

      • Not acting incentivizes further lawlessness and will drive honest voters from the polls: why should anyone vote if a few urban centers will manufacture an unlawful and insuperable vote margin?

      • Acting now, once, removes any incentive for future lawlessness. Injunctions and/or acts of executive fiat that undermine the lawful election process will cease if the Court acts now. Chastened by this Court’s mandate, future non-legislative actors will know they must seek legislative ratification
      before an election for any changes to election procedures that they believe to be necessary or compelling.

      Ouch.

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        Lucky

        Yes, and
        “why should anyone vote if …”
        Why should anyone, urban centers or anyone, vote when they know that votes are concocted out of cyberspace by programmers acting on instructions from a cabal of zillionaires?

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      Richard C (NZ)

      And just like that the Supreme Court dismissed the Texas challenge:

      ORDER IN PENDING CASE

      TEXAS V. PENNSYLVANIA, ET AL.

      The State of Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot.

      Let the fireworks begin.

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        Richard C (NZ)

        Jim Hoft“The end of justice in America”

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        It’s a state of lawlessness in the USSA now.

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          Richard C (NZ)

          Some comments from under Jim Hoft’s post above:

          One4Life – So it’s war

          Deanswife – I think the SCOTUS just made themselves irrelevant…

          gotroy22 Deanswife – They just made the Constitution irrelevant.

          william Southern proud – We the People have NO STANDING.

          Thomas Aquinas gotroy22 – Of course. They couldn’t accept it because they’d have to rule in Texas’ favor.

          Pia gotroy22 – When the Dems pack the court with radical Libs the Conservative Justices will be removed. There will be nothing we can do to stop that because there is no longer any law and order in America.

          Sharp Shtik ConservativeChicana – This confirms Trump is on right track going straight to state legislatures as the best way to combat massive Dem fraud.

          # # #

          I don’t think this is going to end well.

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        Richard C (NZ)

        SCOTUS has abrogated the 2 key tenets (principles or beliefs) in the Texas complaint:

        • Not acting incentivizes further lawlessness

        • Acting now, once, removes any incentive for future lawlessness.

        Apparently lawlessness is preferable.

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    William Astley

    We are talking about the start of Trump’s plan to get the US from A to B. More to come. And all cards played and some played only privately.

    The ‘Plan’ is now live. EO 138484 got funding and “unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy” enabled the Milt to assign personnel and their AI to help keep the plan, on side. I believe there is also construction of some buildings for new staff.

    P.S. The Dem email issue is every Dem candidate and there is more stuff which will be presented to each Dem privately. The plan avoids dramatics, and there is zero prejudice and zero politics in it.
    While we are waiting for the Plan to unfold and it will.

    What is B? What is the natural, perfect, replacement for Washington? Hey this real. This is almost a miracle. If there was no politics and there were no liars or special interest groups and the analysis was logical, in our ‘governments’ what could we accomplish?

    The solution to the Washington problem which is coming Feb 2021 based on what I know now and have heard, will be trusted and respected by the US people and will be copied by every Western country.

    No special interest groups. No politics. No possibility of it getting in. Not a penny spent on white elephants. CAGW would not survive honest unbiased analysis.

    B is the promise land. Use your imagination. Why have we never thought about this problem and its solution.

    If the money issue is considered in every analysis; and money spent on any and all projects must have the best ‘returns’ for the US people and the states over competing projects; and the analysis is not fixed; and if modern computer systems help (best darn AI on the planet) and problem solving and documentation systems are used efficiently….

    It logically should work. The Milt ran a test and sure enough. Worked perfected. So the Milt showed some Reps and Trump. How could it not work? How much better than the current system. Almost immeasurable as the current system makes problems and does not solve problems.

    People who do the analysis and make ‘choices’ are unbiased, non political professionals who are using a system is that is logical and scientific to find the optimum choices for the US people every time. Why not? This is not a rocket system problem.

    Four-year limit for every position.

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    Crakar24

    Supreme Court reject Texas lawsuit due to lack of standing (no harm to Texas)

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    And that’s a wrap.

    Time for the next Kraken. Oh look over there. Covid.

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      and over there. CENSORSHIP

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      Crakar24

      I understand you only have one pea rattling around in your head so complicated matters like this slip by you quite easily.

      Let me explain, the court did not rule on the case because they felt Texas received no harm. It’s a technicality.

      The kraken is the executive order which has probably gone live now after the court has now rendered itself irrelevant.

      Please try and keep up in future

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    Steve of Cornubia

    “The State of Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution,” the statement from the Supreme Court read. “Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections.”

    OK, so that show is over methinks, and Trump’s fight against The Swamp is lost. But a whole new show is about to commence, in which America finally surrenders completely to the Left. This will in turn cause upheaval around the world, because Biden, the new Progressive Democrats and their globalist paymasters will utterly cave in to China’s geopolitical and economic aggression. Enjoy your wealth while you can, Mr Soros, because it won’t save you and your ilk from the CCP.

    The healing will officially commence with a celebration of fire, looting and violence, organised by your friendly, local Antifa.

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      Crakar24

      There are still two hurdles in the Dems way, first is the EO which I think by now is going live and two or in conjunction with it is the 2nd amendment

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      WokeBuster

      I told you they were cowards and sadly they didn’t let me down. Note how all the 3 Trump appointed judges, ACB, Kavanaugh & Gorsuch rejected the Texas suit. The only two judges with balls were Alito & Thomas. Is there any point to stacking SCOUTUS now? It’s already got the requisite CCP friendly cowards.

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    Crakar24

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-trump-legal-team-files-emergency-petition-supreme-court-georgia/

    I get the feeling that trump is either.

    1, giving the swamp creatures every chance to go quietly in the night or….
    2, setting them up to cover up the fraud so all charges that will brought will stick and attract a very high prison term

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    Lance

    Well, SCOTUS declined to hear the TX petition for “lack of standing”.

    TX argued that the citizens of TX got shafted by the actions of the 4 states.

    But, that’s kind of like you arguing that because your neighbor got in an accident, you can sue on behalf of your neighbor.

    TX ought to have petitioned exactly as they did BUT their primary claim ought to have been that TX has a contractual Right under the US Constitution that other states would not violate the State of TX’s right to an honest election.

    Difference being that TX would then be claiming “harm” “as a state” by virtue of another state violating the contractual rights of the state of TX. It is a distinction with a difference.

    That argument would likely have provided TX with “standing”.

    Not claiming I’m a constitutional attorney, just trying to explain how “standing” is viewed by SCOTUS as I understand it.

    Things are not “over” by any means. We shall see how it plays out. Civil unrest seems unavoidable no matter the outcome.

    This is what happens when a government no longer fears the citizens. There is no happy outcome from this.

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      DonS

      In my opinion the chances of a conservative dominated SCOTUS overturing elections in these states was a long shot to start with. SCOTUS is very careful not to be the decider of national elections and views these matters as constitutionally the business of the state legislators and courts. Unfortunately we all know that a liberal dominated court would have had no problem intervening in a similar case if brought forward by the DNC. Conservatives follow rule of law and liberals do what they want, sadly that’s the way it is these days.

      There are still 3 cases to be heard in various courts that may still upset the Biden syndicate. One is due for decision on Saturday US time. I wouldn’t hold out much hope and soon we will need to accept that Biden will be POTUS come 2021.

      As I told liberals after the Trump election, any US president is better than any alternative and I would say the same to conservatives now. Looking back on the history of the USA I think we can say that no matter who is in the White House Americans just seem to get on with it. It is what makes America such a unique place in the world.

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    Neo

    Wow. Trump does his best to screw over the Postal Service to undermine mail in voting…THEN forces through a stacking of the Supreme Court with “Conservatives” just in case ( Lol!)..and yup, plan works so that he gets to challenge the election result (his loss) …… and he fails.

    Ok, so whats next for sound, color and movement to keep his rusted on’s shelling out their hard earned??

    Be interesting to see where the pardons thing goes now??

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    CHRIS

    How about just waiting until the Electoral College for the 50 states confirm their result on December 14? The College can change their votes if fraud is involved, no matter which candidate won the state. Grip on reality is needed.

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