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I’m very frustrated with politicians press conferences in Australia. The average age of the probing, digging-deep journos appears to be about 23. I’m not sure where they get their questions from …? the editors, their partners and friends, their own near-pubescent minds? or the politicians media people?
So when I saw this quote (in a Powerline piece) from X, it caught my attention.
“David Burge
@iowahawkblog
Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.
11:57 PM · May 9, 2013”
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The cluelessness and lack of insight of the typical young post-teenage “journalist” in Australia is staggering, a product of the dumbed-down, Left-infiltrated “education” system. And the questions are all weak softball ones, likely given to them by the PR team of the politician being questioned.
Media “education” in particular has been taken over and dominated by the Left since the early 1970s.
It emphasises “power” and “ideology” and a post-modernist basis as well as other Leftist ideas over purely vocational journalism training.
It aligns with the general shift in humanities/social “sciences” toward progressive and critical theory frameworks post-Whitlam.
Many graduates and “academics” from these programs fed into public broadcasting (ABC/SBS), cultural policy, and left-leaning commentary.
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“And the questions are all weak softball ones …”
Unless their ‘target’ is a conservative; then they can be disrespectful, insulting and aggressive.
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Ooops… the red tick was mine 🥴. The finger slipped on my iPad!!
Shame we can’t undo it – but I understand the problem…..
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‘Media “education” in particular has been taken over and dominated by the Left since the early 1970s.’
That is true, the lecturers and tutors became left wing and the students fell into line. They then became journalists and editors, It has had a detrimental impact on how we see reality.
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how we see reality
How we define reality?
Definitions are important, consider the word “vaccine”.
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Good point.
“Even if someone decides to continue relying on the same news channel repeatedly, they’d probably have a more accurate view of reality if they knew more about that outlet’s bias,” he says.
“This would also reduce some of the negative effects of echo chambers – such as in social media spaces where people mostly hear views they already agree with, often without realising they’re inside one. If they can become aware, many would try to update their viewpoints.” (ANU Reporter)
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Ben Rhodes, deputy national security advisor for strategic communications under Barack Obama, was a greasy little goblin but the man nailed it in describing the corporate press
https://archive.ph/EJuUY
… and he knew how to weaponize their ignorance to turn them into the Obama administration’s personal propaganda bullhorn.
That’s today’s legacy/corporate media in a nutshell. They NEVER question the motives of their sources or the validity of their information as long as it supports ‘the narrative’ they want to push, no matter how many times those sources burn them and force them to retract or settle a defamation lawsuit. They just push it out as gospel truth and let the chips fall where they may. Gone are the days of that old journalist axiom ‘If your mother tells you she loves you, check it out’. Now it’s all about access to sources and advancing ‘the message’. For the past decade, the message has been ‘Orange Man Bad’. It will be interesting to see where it goes once the Orange Man rides off into the sunset.
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Or the other saying.
“Journalism: a profession whose business it is to explain to others what it personally does not understand.” – Alfred Harmsworth
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President TRUMP requests the release of eight women whom Iran is about to execute.
Never once have I seen the Left*, who falsely pretend to be concerned for women’s rights, complain about such human rights violations in Iran. They mostly support the regime due to the Red-Green Alliance and in this instance “Green” does not refer to the Gaia worshippers.
TRUMP (quoted by Tousi):
Supporting comments:
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The “left” and the western ‘left / progressive” types have NEVER heldhad ANY interest in shoring up “Western democratic interests”.
Quite the CONTRARY.
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Sorry Bruce. Accidental touch on red while scrolling.
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To Steve’s point in the previous comment. How are they ignoring the issue. The only know about the issue, real or otherwise, because the Whitehouse told them so.
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AI can help you out. Now you need never write these words again
Political Organisations & Caucuses
Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC): In early 2026, members of the CPC voiced strong opposition to the Iranian regime’s internal repression while simultaneously campaigning against US military funding for strikes in Iran. They have consistently called for an end to the “illegal war” and emphasized that the future of Iran should be “shaped by its citizens — not imposed through force”.
Democratic Socialists of America (DSA): The DSA has a history of condemning the Iranian government’s authoritarianism. Recent statements have stressed a “consistent anti-imperialism” that opposes both US military intervention and the “authoritarian governments of Iran, Russia, and China”. They officially advocate for the self-determination of the Iranian people.
UK Green Party: Green MPs in the UK have explicitly condemned the Iranian regime’s actions while urging the British government to end military cooperation that could escalate regional conflict. They often focus on the “systematic persecution” of dissidents and minorities within Iran.
Human Rights & Advocacy Groups (Left-Leaning/Progressive)
Amnesty International: Frequently cited by leftist activists, Amnesty has documented a “full-fledged human rights crisis” in Iran, particularly regarding the sharp rise in executions (over 1,500 in 2025 alone) and the targeting of women and children.
Center for Human Rights in Iran (CHRI): This NGO works closely with progressive international coalitions to lobby the UN for continued monitoring of Tehran. They recently led a joint statement of over 30 NGOs raising the alarm over the “dire situation” for detained activists.
United for Iran: A progressive civil society group that uses technology and advocacy to support Iranian activists. They are frequently part of international leftist coalitions demanding the release of political prisoners and an end to gender-based violence.
Femena: A feminist organization that focuses on supporting women human rights defenders in the Middle East and North Africa. They have been vocal in condemning the “gender apartheid” enforced by the Iranian regime.
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Meh. AI sucks.
“In their study, the researchers gave participants a series of mathematical reasoning and reading comprehension problems to solve. One group had access to an AI assistant throughout. The other worked alone. Then, without warning, the AI was removed, and everyone was tested independently on the same problems.
The AI group performed significantly worse.
That result, perhaps, is not surprising.
What is surprising is this: Every participant in the experiment had a skip button.
There was no penalty for using it, no reward for pushing through. The choice to try or to give up was entirely their own.
The AI group chose to skip at nearly double the rate.
This was not an inability to solve the problems.
It was an unwillingness to try. After just 10 minutes of having an AI system handle every moment of difficulty, something had changed in the participants’ choices. The researchers give a name to what was lost: “desirable difficulties.” It is a term from cognitive science that describes the productive struggle that, in the moment, creates a challenge and, over time, is the process by which human beings learn, grow, and develop capabilities.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/ai/ai-warning-myth-danger-not
Should we blame evolution (minimal energy expenditure to achieve a result) or mental laziness?
Imagine a future where the children believe 2+2=5, men can have babies, bodies have atrophied from doing nothing all days, thinking is relegated to bot-provided answers on dumbphones and by crafted naratives, and practical skills and knowledge are only found in history books, most of which are F451 material.
Nope, not for me.
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As with any information source you are able to find out if it is correct or not by checking other sources. The fact that people misuse or abuse it is not an argument against it.
As for DM, he immediately accepted the word of a culture war site that shares his outrage and as a result didn’t do any checking. He is not a skeptic.
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Authoritarian governments; see Australia during COVID.
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The obvious problem with that is, as we saw with Covid, the western media all parrot the same script, word for word in a lot of cases as posted back then.
I prefer real experts with track records to match, that say it as it is, not how ze blobs want it said.
Such sources are few and far between.
Just like the Iran war now. Iran’s totally screwed screams the western msm. Problem is, they’re all wrong, just another psy-op for the masses.
Of course the “USA, rah, rah, rah” squad redthumbers will froth at the mouth but we’ll all see soon enough.
I could post names and sources but I’m not going to.
My secret stash. Get your own. 😁
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3 separate problems
VERIFICATION REPORT: Chinese Naval Task Force Deployment – Gulf of Oman
21 April 2026 | 12:14 BST
The report stating that the 48th Chinese Naval Escort Task Force has redeployed to the Gulf of Oman is assessed to be largely accurate based on a review of open-source tracking data and official statements available as of midday on Tuesday, 21 April 2026.
Plus:
And:
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/china-nonnuclear-hydrogen-warhead-gamechanger
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when interest rates go up, people work more to pay their mortgages, especially when they don’t have kids.
providing more government childcare support means even those with kids work more
https://www.imf.org/en/publications/wp/issues/2026/04/09/labor-supply-effects-of-monetary-policy-evidence-from-australian-mortgage-holders-575322
Just in case you thought the ‘leisure age’ really was supposed to be the end result of all this new technology and ‘convenience’.
One of those, wonder how much this report cost?
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-20/plans-emerge-gigawatt-scale-ai-data-centre-kimberley/106567332
Of course, it won’t be powered by wind and solar if it needs 240MW, that’s just the virtue signaling component, it will really be powered by natural gas. If it wasn’t, disconnect the gas supply and see how long it lasts.
Also they claim:
I doubt if sub-microsecond time-of-flight considerations are a concern for AI users although they are an issue for real-time stock traders seeking arbitrage opportunities.
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Should be an ideal location, I’m sure the 50c summer temperatures won’t be much problem.
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So, can existing “AI” do a quick evaluation on the “spillage” on this “proposals’?
Or is that already “not the remit of “AI”?
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and the occasional , although infrequent, cyclones.
We make fun of the weather but the real issue with this development is the inevitable location of a sacred site wherever they build it
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Putting it under a wind turbine might get them over that hurdle.
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Looks like the proposed location is close to where Talgarno was built in 1959-1960 for the Blue Streak missile project.
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“powered by wind and solar”
Nope!
“powered by natural gas”
A little..
It will really be powered by taxpayers and future taxpayers via Govt borrowing, or it just won’t get built!
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You would think if powering by wind and solar was important they would be near Darwin to piggyback on Suncable and be near international optic fibre landing point.
An AI Data Center powered via SunCables infrastructure. Its the stuff dreams are made of.
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Short video clip.
Bill Maher (US) responds to a woke reporter.
He himself is a traditional “progressive” although an extremely rare example of a rational one.
He describes himself as a “practical” or as “liberal-but-not-stupid-woke”.
Conservatives and other rational thinkers generally tolerate his sensible viewpoints on many matters.
https://youtube.com/shorts/LM56wdglslY
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WUWT ran my “Data centers no threat to grid” article and got a lot of very interesting comments, about 160 so far. We even got some center developers chopping on the numbers. I learned a lot.
See https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/04/18/the-data-center-energy-threat-is-way-overblown/ by David Wojick
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The Australian Government imported 100,000 new Labor voters in February 2026 alone.
You can be certain that a vast majority of them will never work or subscribe to Australian or Western values.
No wonder there’s a housing crisis and the country’s going bankrupt.
Continued.
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It’s all going according to plan.
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Can that be correct? Soif that continued that would mean 1million plus in a year.
Where are most coming from if you look at the bigger picture?
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Judging by the advertising on free to air, India.( 45 second survey yesterday)
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And of course we taxpayers have been consulted (NOT) about national matters of immigration, like how many incoming per year should be permitted; what each of them can contribute to a future in Australia (apart from a socialist vote); whether each primary immigrant carries a large, unproductive family; whether the migrant is fluent in English; is independently wealthy already; knows our National Anthem; has valuable rare skills; and so on.
The last 20 years of migration to Australia has been done with very little scope for concerned Aussies to learn what is going on and whether that path is a good way to go or not.
Personally, my view of Australian immigration policy is that it is secretive and is growing our population rapidly each year toward us being the poor white trash of Asia. Me, I cherish our British heritage. Let us work to keep it.
Geoff S
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I bet Tony Burkha will fast track their “citizenship” as he did last time, just in time for the Federal Election.
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Notice that the “Brides” have disappeared from the news, and also the 3,000 quick response tourist visa recipients from Gaza.
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FWIW
https://accordingtohoyt.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/hf8agoxwyaakrep.png
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Australia population is expected to reach 28 million in 2026.
Imagine if the 96,000 imports in february was repeated each month for 12 months.
That figure would be 1,152,000 in one year!
A staggering 4.1% increase in one year!
Australias housing problems…created and nurtured by Australian politicians.
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Housing problems are only going to get worse, my family building industry contacts are saying that many younger qualified trades people are seeking new careers, they have had enough of the very long working hours and with the builders going broke as labour and material costs spiral upwards and fixed contract prices become debt traps for builders. Clients expect to be quoted for a completed project but that has become impossible to arrange, so many potential customers are no longer interested.
It’s the old dog chasing tail situation going around in circles going nowhere
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That’s incredible, that’s 3571.4 PER DAY, and you can’t get a plumber or a brickie.
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Meanwhile, up country the population simmers and waits with clubs in hand. Never has the dichotomy between bush and major cities been so pronounced.
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Why do petrol stations (US = gas stations) often lock their bathroom doors?
Are they afraid someone will go and clean them?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
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David, our local (23km away!) servo on a regional highway says that customers often leave an awful mess in toilets.
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Because junkies like to use them as shooting galleries and sex shacks.
Also certain subcultures of gay men, who for some reason have fetishized having sex in public bathrooms. What was necessary for their predecessors in the early/mid 20th century when sodomy laws were still on the books and being enforced, has become a kink in the 21st century.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FkK8ZFE7Y0
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Because pigs use them, pee on the floor, and don’t flush afterward.
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On a trip, we visited a big Asian public bathroom for males and females after an experience of sun bathing on a tropical hot sand beach heated by a nearby active volcano. So, we needed a rinse of face and arms at one of the many hand basins. Several of the male Asian sightseers openly used them as urinals. Not the best of actions. Geoff S
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A relative of mine used to run a servo.
About once a month some charming individual would do #2 in the wash basin.
They never found out who the culprit was.
I’m really glad I never worked in an industry dealing directly with the public.
Some people are worse than feral.
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South Park had an episode explaining how that #2 in the wash basin situation could arise through highly unusual circumstances affecting the culprit.
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Seeing the treatment of our Victoria Cross recipient & hero by the AFP, it would appear that they are another “ government “ institution which cannot be trusted. How many more institutions will disappoint the Australian nation with their crude behaviour & “bent” agenda!!
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Go back and read about the establishment of the AFP (previously Commonwealth Police”.
Who, when and why.
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Supplementary, from the late Clive James:
“The problem with Australians is not that so many of them are descended from convicts, but that so many of them are descended from prison officers.”
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Someone threw an egg at a PM.
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Threw an egg? Not important!! What is important is, did they hit him & get a loud clear message across?
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Oil
https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts
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Petrol and diesel prices in Victoria are trending down, day by day.
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Happy to see that the oil tanker, Yuan Ju Wan is currently unloading its cargo at the CP1 jetty, Westernport.
Also a tanker at Corio, Geelong
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Looks cool, but try to by a tanker-full f oil for those prices.
Last physical delivery price I heard was over $150/bl
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>try to by a tanker-full
I almost never buy it by the tanker-full. I’m just not driving the distances I used to as a young hoon.
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Here’s a few more oil info trackers:
https://www.aussieoilwatch.com/
https://oilintel.com.au/prices
https://www.wheresthebloodyfuel.com/
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Interesting stuff there. The third would indicate that we are low but should muddle through although Tas looks bad for petrol.
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TACO Trump strikes again.
For those not familiar with the acronym TACO, it stands for “Trump Always Chickens Out”.
Yesterday he was ready to go back to bombing Iran, today he’s extending the ceasefire. Not because there was any progress in discussions… in fact, discussions have effectively ended. Iran isn’t even interested in talking to him anymore.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/trump-extends-ceasefire-with-iran-to-encourage-negotiations-says-us-military-is-raring-to-go/ufko58tq4
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Pakistan PM Shehbaz Sharif:
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If ‘TACO’ were true, Trump would not have gone into Iran, or Venezuela.
If there are any presidents who chickened out, methinks they would be previous ones who caved and failed to deal with Iran, as well as leaders of other western countries.
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Usually seems to be followed by “TAW”
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Winning is what it is all about.
The Strait of Hormuz is closed to Iran traffic and will stay closed until Iran comes back to the negotiating table.
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“Iran isn’t even interested in talking to him anymore.”
An indication they need some more bombing then.
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Who represents ‘Iran’?
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Not true
Iran has basically devolved into a cold civil war between Iran’s political leadership and the IRGC. The political side is very interested in negotiating a peace and getting the economy running again, in the hopes of remaining in power like what happened in Venezuela. But the IRGC knows that the Americans will insist they be disarmed and disbanded, and they would rather be martyred and get their 72 virgins rather than lay down their arms. And the political side has no control over the IRGC. They reported directly to the Ayatollah, but now he is dead and his supposed successor is in a coma, so they are operating without anyone at the top to control them and are ignoring the political leadership.
https://pjmedia.com/eric-florack/2026/04/21/are-we-seeing-the-makings-of-an-iranian-civil-war-n4952006
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FWIW – for Linux fans
“Thought this was interesting. I don’t know if systemd can be “removed” on every Linux OS — here is on Debian. https://thecybersecguru.com/tutorials/switch-systemd-to-openrc/ “
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This is not a good look.
‘Armed drones, grenades used in lethal attacks on Papuan civilians.
‘Rights groups demand independent probe into a string of deadly attacks on Papuan villages amid mounting clashes between military and rebels.’ (Oz)
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Which Papua is this East or West.
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‘The Free Papua Movement or Free Papua Organization (Indonesian: Organisasi Papua Merdeka, OPM) is a name given to a separatist movement that aims to separate West Papua from Indonesia and establish an independent state in the region.’ (wiki)
Not sure where the Indonesians are getting the drone technology, probably Russia.
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‘Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, 27 March 2021. Russia is a major arms supplier to Indonesia. Russian arms exports to Indonesia include the Sukhoi Su-30, Sukhoi Su-27, Mil Mi-35, BMP-3, and Mil Mi-17.’ (wiki)
From a political science perspective it looks ominous.
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Are you suggesting that the purchase of Russian military equipment poses a threat. Export variants of Su-30 and 27 are not 5th generation. Choppers and APC’s hardly amount to much. Better bang for your buck buying Russian anyway.
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Indonesia isn’t a threat to Australia and I expect the Russian Federation to collapse this year, which suggests that Indonesia will have military hardware that is out of date – stranded assets.
Drone warfare is the pointy end, the Indonesians should be reminded that drone warfare used against civilians is a war crime.
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FWIW
“The Guardian’s most idiotic article ever? “Are OnlyFans models the best way to explain the climate crisis?” ”
“Coming soon is an episode called Spank Banks …”
Are OnlyFans models the best way to explain the climate crisis?
Stuart Heritage Thu 9 Apr 2026 00.35 AEST
Actor Megan Prescott has joined with Adam McKay in the hope that showing bite-size web videos of women undressing will persuade us to save the world. Will it work?
The world, as we know, is in trouble. … it feels as if we need a genuine miracle to stop us from sleepwalking into catastrophe. Could that miracle be an environmental warning from a woman in her pants?”
More at
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/04/21/guardian-are-onlyfans-models-the-best-way-to-explain-the-climate-crisis/
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I once stumbled upon a cluster of ‘News of the World’. The paper specialised in the most improbable headlines and stories. I enjoyed imagining the hilarity of the editorial meetings as they dreamed up this edition’s crazy stories.
News of the World, meet The Guardian.
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The climate crisis continues but be sure to send more money if you want integrity and truth in a world where nasties propagate mis/disinformation. The Guardian at its finest.
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“Reliably unreliable”
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FWIW
“The ‘Most Secure Election in History’ Was a Lie, and Now We Have Proof”
“Before a single ballot was cast in the 2020 presidential election, America’s top intelligence analysts had already concluded that foreign adversaries could compromise U.S. election systems — and officials buried that warning rather than let voters see it.”
More at
https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2026/04/21/the-most-secure-election-in-history-was-a-lie-and-now-we-have-proof-n4952028
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FWIW – “Oh Canada”
“Chevron has now fully divested from Alberta’s oilsands.
It believes investing in Venezuela is less risky than investing in Mark Carney’s Canada.”
https://x.com/ezralevant/status/2045493935628222623
Via https://instapundit.com/791199/#disqus_thread
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FWIW
“CHANGE: The End of EPA’s Endangerment Finding Is a Bigger Deal Than the Iran War.”
More and
“This has made a lot of the right people unhappy.”
“https://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2026/04/20/the_end_of_epas_endangerment_finding_is_a_bigger_deal_than_the_iran_war_1177858.html
Via This has made a lot of the right people unhappy.
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That was
Via https://instapundit.com/791581/#disqus_thread
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FWIW
“Australia’s shameful hounding of their most decorated soldier – a war hero”
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/australias-shameful-hounding-of-a-soldier/
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Many comments there and not one mentions “taqiyya”.
IMO would be a suitable addition if anyone can comment there.
Nor any mention of this from Rudyard Kipling’s “The Young British Soldier” –
When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An’ go to your Gawd like a soldier.”
https://www.poetry.com/poem/33613/the-young-british-soldier
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The Conservative woman item via
https://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2026/04/21/tuesday-on-turtle-island-190/
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I was compelled to hear the detailed account of Mossadegh Coup, and how he nearly defeated both Churchill and Dulles, and had he won there would never be an OPEC nor Ayatollah…
By the way, to my surprise – Mohammed Reza Pahlavi was elected by parliament…, and it might have been Mossadegh, who was a real “character”.
For me the issue is more interesting – was AIOC (BP / UK) offered a fair compensation for leaving the country? I say “is” rather than “was” because even important today the 75 years ago, after success of de-colonisation process.
The African examples are on the surface, but why not go further.., say to Australia ?
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Not to mention SAVAK – the Pahlavist’s thugs who were thoroughly supported by Western military and intelligent services during the post-war up to 1979. Know thy enemy.
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FWIW
Another change
“The next project vault should protect America’s power grid”
“The United States is running short on the equipment that keeps its lights on. The components supporting our grid are difficult to procure, increasingly costly, and, for certain equipment, largely imported. That strain will only grow as electricity demand surges from AI data centers, electrification, and domestic manufacturing.
Luckily, a template to solve the problem already exists.”
More at
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/04/20/the-next-project-vault-should-protect-americas-power-grid/
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FWIW
“Women Can’t Build Civilization”
“But they sure can wreck it. By Janice Fiamengo
The case of Matt Taylor and #Shirtstorm was the last straw for me.”
More at
https://www.newenglishreview.org/women-cant-build-civilization/
Via https://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2026/04/21/tuesday-on-turtle-island-190/
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Some good thoughts there.
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I think the wreck has already happened.
And there are fatalities.
Canadian Universities & Stage 5 Suicidal Empathy – No Straight White Men! (THE SAAD TRUTH_2020)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwXsYRHbK-E
It astonishes me that liberal progressives across the soon to be formerly Free World, have on mass decided that the very people that established the Free World, allowing them to openly turn their cockamamy notions into actual government policy, even when in most cases these policies violate law established by the very people they now hold in open contempt … has only freed them to turn it all on its’ head.
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Lesbians can have a female-only event again. https://changeflow.com/govping/courts-legal/sex-discrimination-exemption-for-lesbians-appeal-allowed-2026-04-15
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FWIW –
“Eh? Gawd!”
“Australia inks $7 billion Mogami frigate deal”
https://www.asianmilitaryreview.com/2026/04/australia-inks-7-billion-mogami-frigate-deal-foc/
Via https://instapundit.com/791664/#disqus_thread
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Remember the Trump and Morrison fuel supply deal entered into 2019 and the ministerial statements 2020 from PM Morrison and Energy Minister Taylor, links I have posted here?
Prime Minister Albanese today on the news with a group of his people and in the background a blue ship moored at a fuel delivery terminal here.
Full of US oil refinery produced diesel fuel for Australia.
The first of a number of ships carrying US fuel for our use, as the “deal” arranged, fuel when needed, US is now a major exporter and exports more oil than Saudi Arabia thanks to POTUS Trump Term 1.0 initiatives, including fracking to expand oil supplies in the USA.
Look harder when Coalition is lumped in as same as.
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The least hospitable interpretation one could apply is that liberals are “the lesser of two evils”. Sometimes I use that as my crutch, the current iteration lets us down so often.
I have goaded our lib haters here to, at least, concede that they eventually preference lib above lab but no one has ever made it clear that they do so.
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You’ve not been euthenased by the injection? Ahhh, famine.
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