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Fires, floods, and climate whiplash are new normal say climate astrologers

By Jo Nova

Almost none of their sacred 30 year trends panned out, so they’re now inventing spooky new forecasts (right after they happen). Any old weather permutation, any random coincidence is fair game. So somewhere on a continent 5,000 kilometers across, there were floods and fires on the same day, and somewhere else, the weather changed from hot to cold. Yeah, verily, as Scorpio crosses through the House of ARC Grants, you will definitely get some weather… 

Like unfalsifiable prophets of voodoo, we don’t know whether this exact same “whiplash weather” occurred 1,000 times before in the last 10,000 years, because there are no proxies for daily hot-n-cold flips or simultaneous fires and floods. There are no diatoms, or pollens or Beryllium isotopes that capture the flip. And there are no daily weather records from neolithic Australia.

Ergo — the smug curmudgeons of science can say whatever they feel like — knowing that no one can prove them wrong, and no journalist at the Sydney Morning Herald will ever ask them a hard question:

Fires, floods, swimsuits and jumpers in one day: ‘Climate whiplash’ is our new normal

By Samantha Selinger-Morris, The Sydney Morning Herald

Bowman: We’re seeing this extraordinarily unstable climate … [what] we’re learning as we’re going is that the Earth system and the climate system is really very complicated.

When you start putting more energy into the atmosphere … the energy expresses itself in extraordinary ways. So we have, as we know, these extraordinary downpours and flooding events, we have these periods of just amazing rain.

We’re seeing this as well in California. So you get these very wet periods, you get flooding. You can get an interaction of the flooding with burnt areas. And then before you know it, you can switch back to drought … and then, to add insult to injury, we’ve been getting these incredible windstorms, and windstorms go with wind-driven fires, and wind-driven fires are just the worst because they move so quickly.

Rather than ask “how do you know this didn’t happen in 5,000 BC”, Ms Selinger-Morris asked the most leading and obvious question she could:

“How is climate change causing or driving this? You know, fires in one part of the country, floods in another. What’s happening here?”

Which was the cue for Mr Bowman to tell her how complex it all is again. (Like a sacred guild.) And to seed an excuse for when they screw up the next forecast. Astrologers always have a fallback plan:

Bowman: What’s happening is basically that the old weather patterns are breaking down … one of the reasons it’s going to become increasingly difficult to forecast weather is because we’re getting all of these complex interactions between sea surface temperatures.

…what we’re really describing is what’s being called in fire science “hydroclimatic whiplash”, this climate whiplash where we’re … going from wet to dry, wet to dry. So we’ve got this flickering between these states.

Melbourne was always supposed to have “four seasons in one day” — which is why Crowded House wrote a song about it 30 years ago before humankind emitted half our emissions. That sounds like pretty flickery weather.

Image by Gordon Johnson from Pixabay

Then, within our fire seasons, we’re seeing extreme heat waves, extreme wind events, and then you get the conjunction of an extreme heat wave and extreme wind event. We’ve just seen what happens. It’s just absolutely horrendous.

Horrendous indeed, but also handy — if they are wrong about the weather, remember,  it’s because they were right about “climate change”. Excuses, excuses…

And that is a really important point … it’s not a criticism that this terrible fire season wasn’t adequately forecast … what we know from the past isn’t necessarily scaling well into the future.

So even though they sort of predicted this, and were right except when they were wrong, now the climate has changed, and they have to learn how to predict it again? So fossil fuels cause bad forecasts too?

Climate astrology might be the new normal, but climate science died a long time ago.

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84 comments to Fires, floods, and climate whiplash are new normal say climate astrologers

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    Tony Dique

    Climate change. The grift that keeps on grifting.

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    Steve

    If you predict every possible outcome, sooner or later one of your predictions will be right. Who cares if the other 35,487 predictions are wrong. You just sweep those under the rug and focus on the one that is right.

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      ando

      I still cannot fathom how otherwise intelligent people can still go along with this insanity. It’s like they exclusively watch their ABC and refuse to look at any other sources of information. How many failed predictions will it take before these people question what they are being told? No more polar bears, Himalayas ice free, etc, etc is all forgotten….Hell they couldn’t even get the temperature rise part right, hence why globull warming slogan was dropped in favour of the nonsense ‘climate change’!!!

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    Rowjay

    we’re learning as we’re going is that the Earth system and the climate system is really very complicated.

    Must have been a real face-palm moment when the journalist realised this – a D’oh moment.

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    Sambar

    Argh Climate change. While talking to an old acquaintance, he is in his nineties so just a few years older than me, we talked about major fires in our district that we could recall and how they had impacted life. Now this chap is highly intelligent, holds a university degree in one of the medical sciences and is quite a deliberate thinker so, you know, one would assume he had looked at the evidence. As we parted ways he said anyone who doesn’t believe climate change is making things worse is delusional. This, after discussing the regularity of big fires over many decades. I didn’t bother asking how “climate Change” made things worse.
    There are countless reasons why any one year is better or worse for bushfires but the link below lists all the big ones back to 1850. There is a very obvious pattern of big fires occurring in the state every 5 to seven years and where I live the pattern is a little longer say 7 to 12 years.
    Why is this, well from a layman’s perspective, it’s the fuel load. Big fires reduce the fuel loads to zero so that area is incapable of having huge fires until the load rebuilds then it happens again.
    Royal commissions over the last 100 years have all recommended fuel load reductions, governments of both persuasions have promised to implement these recommendations then don’t. Oh well.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.ffm.vic.gov.au/history-and-incidents/past-bushfires&ved=2ahUKEwiejPbmtYmSAxW8UWcHHUgiEEoQFnoECC0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw00HMYYtDiqyVPCRmAKhiuh

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      Robert Swan

      Sambar,

      … he said anyone who doesn’t believe climate change is making things worse is delusional.

      I think I can agree with him. Climate change has been an excuse to put electricity prices through the roof, to deindustrialise the country, and to fill the world with nonsense non-science.

      Delusional is too strong a word though. I’d reserve it for people who think we (a) understand the weather and, even more, (b) control the weather.

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      Neville

      Sambar here’s the global link for deaths from fires and burns and see Australia at 0.2 death rates per 100,000 is about the lowest in the world and much lower since 1980.
      When will the liars and con merchants wake up to themselves?

      https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/fire-death-rates?tab=line&country=OWID_WRL~OWID_LIC~OWID_HIC~OWID_UMC~OWID_LMC~AUS~African+Region+%28WHO%29

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      Jon Rattin

      I had a similar conversation with a colleague recently. On an intellectual level he recognised the history of glacial and interglacial oscillations but when l asked him about recent climate changes he said “this is different”. I asked him how pre-industrial climate change differed to modern climate change but he didn’t have an answer. A lot of people seem to share this cognitive dissonance.

      As a child, I sat through a candlelit vigil during Ash Wednesday as the fires burnt perilously close to the family home east of Melbourne. 47 people lost their lives during those fires according to Sambar’s link. It puts these recent fires into perspective, fortunately there hasn’t been many deaths this time round.

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      Graham Richards

      After every serious fire season the “fuel” is the flavour of the week! Then it’s all forgotten, before it’s swept under the rug. Not a mention, after all, who wants the green “ machine “ cursing you for daring to destroy our precious environment, which, by the way went up in smoke with human lives animals, & billions of $$$ in property & financial losses 6 months previous!

      Funny too how these many fires start shortly after some moron is arrested for arson. We never hear of a court appearance, trial or sentence for the miscreant. ( sorry the evidence was burned ).

      Until some brave politician ensures control of the fuel problem fires will continue to menace & threaten us. Maybe the fires are a prerequisite for continuing the climate change hoax!!

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      Chad

      anyone who doesn’t believe climate change is making things worse is delusional…

      Thats not an unreasonable comment …IF..
      If you are certain the climate is actually changing. ( it is hard to find conclusive evidence )
      And if you do not try to argue that CO2 is the cause,…..
      …because that would be much more delusional !
      The climate is always changing at varying rates .

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      Ross

      The fact that your 90yo acquaintance has a medical degree in no way means he is a “thinker”. Very few of the medicos were/ are. They go to medical school and all their inquisition is belted out of them because protocols have to be adhered to. Medicare rebates need to be harvested, so don’t buck the system. Treat the symptoms etc, not the underlying cause. Hence, it’s more likely the highly educated that get corralled into climate ideology.

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      Bob Close

      You are right about the perennial fire issue in Australia, the buildup of fuel is the key component in all these fires, and the culprit is:- local and state bureaucracy that has been infiltrated by environment and climate alarmists. They do not want any fires, because they are cause of more CO2 in the atmosphere- the deadly poison that is ruining our climate! So, by refusing to do proper burn backs and properly manage rural vegetation including forests, they prime vulnerable areas for catastrophic bushfires that kill everything including trees and wildlife like in 2020. These people refuse to learn any lessons from their repeated mistakes and just blame it on climate change; their moral compasses are thus set to zero when they think they are being virtuous- what calamitous stupidity.
      Of course, the media generally are equally to blame for fanning the alarmist fires, because of the great headlines, but even they must be having ethical twinges about their culpable role in steering the public away from the truth about environmental issues, and the lack of evidence for CO2 or human driven climate change. At least the Fox News channels has bucked the trend and is setting an example, all praise to them.
      When all the BoM model predictions are giving a false result, isn’t it time they questioned the input parameters for the IPCC AGW scare campaign, that is failing globally, now the US has pulled the plug on it.
      Why does Australia always have to be followers, not initiators on these global issues?

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    Neville

    Again this is just more BS and nonsense and OWI Data proves that we live in the safest period in Human history.
    They’ve listed all the extreme weather events’ death rates since 1900 and today death rates have dropped by 98% and population today is 8.2 billion compared to 1.6 billion in 1900, 2.5 bn by 1950 , 3 bn by 1960 etc.
    So why do they continue to lie and why don’t they use the proper data and evidence that only takes 5 minutes to look up online?

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    david

    Who’s “putting more energy into the atmosphere” exactly?

    Oops, it’s our CO2. How could I possibly forget that!

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      John Connor II

      Who’s “putting more energy into the atmosphere” exactly?

      HAARP. 😁

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        ozfred

        The High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program, or HAARP, is a scientific endeavor aimed at studying the properties and behavior of the ionosphere. “The ionosphere stretches roughly 50 to 400 miles above Earth’s surface, right at the edge of space. Along with the neutral upper atmosphere, the ionosphere forms the boundary between Earth’s lower atmosphere — where we live and breathe — and the vacuum of space.”

        https://haarp.gi.alaska.edu/

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    Don’t they ever tire of being foolish pushing utter baloney week in and week out.

    How many times does it take for dullards to realize they are being misled and lied to since climate isn’t changing anywhere based on the Koppen Climate Classification Index,

    LINK

    The continued absence of the predicted Lower Tropospheric Hot spot needs to be acknowledged, the same with the Positive Feedback Loop too which was supposed to be cornerstone of the AGW fantasy after all it has been what around 35 years for it to show up by now….. yet not never seen thus looks like a big failure of the AGW fantasy to me.

    Wake up people!

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    czechlist

    So much of the cosmology I learned in my 70+ years was brought into question by The Hubble telescope and is now being blown to hades by The James Webb Telescope. The same can be said about recent findings in archeology and paleontology. We are a smug and proud species who don’t like to be proven wrong and it gets worse when reputation and money are involved. I reckon Meteorologists, Climatologists, politicians and grifters in any
    discipline are no different.

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    Forrest Gardener

    More energy in the atmosphere? Why that would be summer!

    Oh, and who is this Bowman? And with a double barrel surname the writer never really had a chance of growing up rational.

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    Simon

    Bollocks. Climate science is based upon physical laws determined 150 years ago. The equations are non-linear and require parameterisation but that is now well understood. The whiplash effect is real and we are seeing the consequences of that.

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      John Connor II

      Do you believe in a god?

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      Neville

      Simon we know you prefer your fantasy world and your silly made up numbers, but we prefer proper data and evidence from our OWI Data, Dr Pielke jr, co2 Coalition Scientists stc.
      The data is available for everyone to check, so why not give it a try?

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      Graeme No.3

      Simon:
      I must have missed you referencing this whiplash effect a few years ago. Even before this cr*p was publish was published in the SMH.

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      Forrest Gardener

      Be a better bot.

      As a start you should be aware that good propaganda always has an element of truth. Yours is not good propaganda.

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      Simon

      Talk to any Australian, European, and Canadian fire researcher and they will tell you the same thing; fire behaviour is changing because fire weather indices are staying higher for longer.

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        Forrest Gardener

        The only people I am interested in hearing from are the people who put their lives on the line to PUT THE FIRES OUT.

        But thanks for playing. Now be a better bot.

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        Actually Simon there is an actual DECLINE in wildfires over the last 25 years according to the NASA MODIS satellite, CNFDB, Our World in Data, and more showing wildfire problem are in slow decline.

        With the reintroduction of Beavers in several American states have reduced the effects of fires greatly in the region with the expanded wetlands and higher water table.

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          Simon

          We are talking about intensity not extent.

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            The data in the sources I mentioned covers both but you wouldn’t know that because you never seen the data.

            DECLINE in wildfires over the last 25 years according to the NASA MODIS satellite, CNFDB, Our World in Data, and more showing wildfire problem are in slow decline.

            This statement remains unchallenged.

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      Simon

      Prof David Bowman is a very highly respected in the fire industry. He is probably the most cited author in the field. He knows a lot more about the subject than you, I, or Jo.

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        I have met people who should know a lot more about some topics than me yet I have been able to make fools of them because they are wedded to pseudoscience nonsense that blinds them while I continue to respect the evidence presented.

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        el+gordo

        Prof Bowman has one foot on the gravy train and is a highly respected UTAS man.

        The Tasmanian fires last year were similar to the present Victorian bushfires.

        ‘The recent rapid-fire growth in Tasmania was caused by the unusual combination of regional drying (including dry soils), an extreme lightning storm and subsequent strong winds.

        ‘But the sequence of events that caused this fire to take off could not have been predicted more than a week ahead. That’s because it is impossible to predict lightning and windstorms outside the seven-day window of weather forecasts.’ (Bowman 2025)

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      el+gordo

      ‘The whiplash effect is real …’

      Thanks for dropping in, but I think the whiplash theory is seriously flawed.

      North America is experiencing the effect of a weak La Nina and possibly a cold air outbreak from a SSW event.

      ‘La Niña event supports below-normal temperatures over Canada and the northern half of the United States and above-normal temperatures in the south during the February-April period.’ (Severe Weather.Europe)

      El Nino is about to make a return visit, which will change everything.

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      David Maddison

      Simon, please don’t use the term “climate science”. It gives real scientists a bad name.

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        Simon

        And you know this how?
        Please consider the possibility that you may be sitting on the high point of the Dunning-Kruger curve….

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          Simon,

          You have yet to comment on the article at hand maybe because it is beyond you which is why your comments here always empty of anything to drive debate/discussion.

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      Paulie

      Do you mean the Clausius-Clapeyron Equation?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clausius%E2%80%93Clapeyron_relation#:~:text=the%20molar%20ones.-,Clausius%E2%80%93Clapeyron%20equation,for%20moderate%20temperatures%20and%20pressures.

      Only one small problem that you neglected to mention: it is not used in climate models. Or more expansively, climate models are incapable of correctly modelling the behaviour of the most significant greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. Hence, things like evaporation rates, relative and specific humidity, cloud formation, the development of storms, and precipitation, are not modeled at all in general circulation models.

      That’s why climate modellers rely on parameterisation. Except that, back in the real world, that parameterisation is not working out at all well:
      https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10769846/

      According to climate model results, as temperature increases, evaporation should increase, leading to increases to specific humidity. Or, as per the Clausius–Clapeyron equation, there should be an increase in the amount of water vapour in the atmosphere as temperatures increase. Conversely, relative humidity should stay constant as temperatures increase.

      Except that is not what is happening, as Figure 5 at the above link shows. Specific humidity has remained constant, while relative humidity has decreased. In other words, observations do not match model output.

      So perhaps your phrase that “parameterisation … is now well understood” is rather far from the truth. And your statement ignores the well recognised fact that today’s climate models are running far too hot:
      https://www.carbonbrief.org/cmip6-the-next-generation-of-climate-models-explained/

      Zeke Hausfather is a well recognised consensus supporting climate scientist. His article showed that 14 of 40 climate models were producing climate sensitivity results that exceeded the top end of what the IPCC believed was the likely range for climate sensitivity. In other words, more than one third of the climate models were running too hot!

      Just another example of how poorly understood climate science is today!

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      Lance

      Simon, Reality has a vote. Nothing predicted by your “Science” has happened. The “Real World” is Reality, not “models”.

      120 years of failed climate predictions,

      https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark-simone/content/2019-10-08-the-list-of-120-years-of-climate-scares-by-scientists/

      50 Yrs of failed climate predictions

      https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

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      Esra Taf

      Yes Simon, science from 150 years ago: “I have already placed before the Royal Society an account of some experiments which brought to light the remarkable fact that the body of our atmosphere, that is to say the mixture of oxygen and nitrogen of which it is composed, is a comparative vacuum to the calorific rays[Infrared Radiation], its main absorbent constituent being the aqueous vapor [Water Vapor] which it contains. It is very important that the minds of meteorologists should be set at rest on this subject—that they should be able to apply, without misgiving, this newly revealed physical property of aqueous vapor; for it is certain to have numerous and important applications.”— John Tyndall, Dec 31, 1863. Carbon dioxide? Doesn’t rate a mention.

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      Simon your comment was dead on arrival because you didn’t challenge anything in the article.

      Cheers.

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      More empty drivel is all you have Simon, why can’t you do better than word salad, are you a vegetarian is it why you never get to the meat of the article?

      There have been many prediction failures in the last 35 years, how come you continue to ignore them…….

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    Neville

    Dr Pielke jnr recently told us about how weather deaths were exceptionally high in the 1870s and about 3% of the global population died from very bad droughts in that decade. Population about 1.5 bn in the 1870s and co2 levels about 290 ppm compared to 425 ppm today.
    Strange that Africa’s population in 2025 is about 1.5 billion and yet they have a much higher life expectancy and calories intake etc than the global pop in the 1870s.
    In fact today Africa’s 64 year life expectancy is at least 34 years more than the global average in the 1870s.
    When will they learn to follow the data and start to THINK?

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      Neville

      BTW Dr Pielke, Dr Koonin, Dr Goklany, Shellenberger, Dr Christy etc all use 32 years for global life expectancy by 1900 in their debates.

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    Stanley

    Ms Selinger-Morris might be onto something…..I left Perth last weekend and it was very hot, and arrived in Melbourne where it was cooler, only to find there were bushfires the day before. And it gets worse….we are experiencing summer like conditions in Australia just as the Northern hemisphere is experiencing winter. How can it be? Oh, the humanity!
    And to top it off we have cooler temperatures at night and then it’s warmer during the day. I wish we had Goldilocks weather just like when I was a toddler.

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    TdeF

    I thought the BOM informed the country that drought was the new normal, twenty years ago. Followed as always by floods.

    Since when was variation in the weather always someone’s fault? But I suppose that is just the new druidic science. It’s back to goat entrails then. And witch burning.

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      TdeF

      Or as Victoria learned from primary school swimming teacher, former Labor Premier Steve Bracks, “dams do not make water”. Which is apparently why Australians in a land of regular droughts and flooding rains are not allowed build dams. With intelligence and science of this calibre, it is not surprising that Australian productivity and output is collapsing. We fear both droughts and floods simultaneously while refusing to do anything about either except turn off the energy, tax carbon dioxide and stop Climate Change. And prevent Islamaphobia, which appears to be the major concern of the current Australian Prime Minister Albo Akbar.

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        TdeF

        And I would have thought the mass murder of men, women and little children at a Christmas party on Bondi beach fully justified Islamaphobia. But Climate Change is the danger apparently.

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          Boambee John

          A phobia is an irrational fear. There is, based on recent performance, nothing irrational about fearing Islam.

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            TdeF

            Recent performance? It’s hardly the first time in Australia.

            An Afghan and a Pakistani shot people going on a picnic train in Broken Hill in 1915. 14 shot. Three dead.

            They were faithfully obeying a world fatwa issued by the Ottomans.

            Whatever the alleged problems are with the climate, the use of lethal violence as part of Islam goes back 1400 years. And it is nuts to say it has nothing to do with religion. It is everything to do with religion and the authority of the Mullahs. To not address the lethal potential of Islam it is to deny reality, like everything else going on with our communist governments. Climate Change is just another disruptive attack on Australia, by our politicians, not muslims. It’s like pretending the IRA did not exist. Or the mafia.

            As a note left by one of the murderers said “I must kill you and give my life for my faith, Allāhu Akbar.”

            h/t Prof Ian Plimer in the Spectator.

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        Sambar

        “dams do not make water”.

        But apparently batteries are power generators

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          David Maddison

          Indeed.

          You can even sign up your home battery as a supposed “virtual power station”.

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          TdeF

          My other point is that the selection process for leaders of the Labor party has nothing to do with ability. Albanese has chips on both shoulders and like all devout Marxists, hates religions, democracy and his own people. Marxism is a system which allows the incompetent and unqualified to rise to the top where they can extract vengeance on everyone else. Pol Pot, Mao, Lenin, Stalin. Albanese is openly a fan of Trotsky. And Adam Bandt of Lenin. No one’s pretending any more that the Labor or Green parties are not communist. They just go into denial, back by the Marxists in power in Universities and the public service. And the useful idiots in the Teals.

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    David Maddison

    In marketing terms what we are seeing with the whole climate change scam is called brand fatigue or product weariness.

    This occurs when a product (climate change) reaches its maturity or saturation stage of the product life cycle (introduction, growth, maturity, saturation, decline) and eventually enters the decline stage.

    The usual approach to this saturated market by marketing departments is for life cycle extension by conducting a campaign of brand rejuvenation or revitalisation to breath new life into a tired old product.

    In this case they have rebranded and rejuvenated the tired old “climate change” product as “hydroclimatic whiplash” just to keep the narrative comfortably moving along providing more grift for the climate parasites.

    I assume the name of the new product will be shortened to “climate whiplash” because the other term is too complicated for the dumbed-down masses, especially Green, Teal and Labor types and politicians.

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      Jon Rattin

      I did a web search on “hydroclimate whiplash”, most search results are dated January last year and the last couple of days. It’s almost like there is a reattempt to make the term fashionable and part of the climate chaaange vocabulary.

      The physics of whiplash (think about all those TAC adverts showing crash test dummies violently recoiling on impact during a car accident) don’t really match up with the weather fluctuations being presented as “whiplash”.

      I think hydroclimate whiplash may in fact be melodramatic mishmash.

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      Geoff Sherrington

      DM,
      For years I have used a rule of thumb that an industry in trouble often turns to heavy advertising.
      Today, in the media I watch most, two sectors advertising a lot are life insurance and funeral services.
      Insurance has always been based on a questionable proposition, that one can limit dollar damage from unexpected events by sharing the risk, but in reality the risk sharers are paying out a big dribble of their money for those lovely buildings that house insurance people on comfortable incomes, doing nothing productive.
      The funeral salespeople are really obnoxious after you pass 80 years. It is not polite of them to keep reminding their audience, many times a day, of their impending exits. It is pointless because the nearly-deceased will not be there in mind to appreciate how nice the funeral was. Greed for more money takes some strange forms. Geoff Sa

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    Geoff Sherrington

    About 40% of the land area of Victoria is “public land”, most of this being parks and reserves. Total land is about 23 million hectares, public land about 10 million hectares.
    The start point for analysis assumes that there is a difference of care for public versus private land. It is easy to imagine that farmers with skin in the game spend more on fire minimising than do the parks authorities. It is not possible to pull up $$$ figures to compare anti-fire spending. The money spent on parks is already huge enough to forecast public anger if total $$$ spent on all public land was aggregated into one big annual total. It follows that officials are reticent to ask for larger budgets for fire management.
    There has to be a review about the current financial management of Victoria’s public lands. They are essentially non-productive compared to private land. Again, $$$ numbers are hard to find.
    What is the main purpose of parks on public lands? It is to prevent disturbance. Question: is preventing disturbance to 40% of the landscape reasonable, or a huge overkill? One can be excused for thinking that it is a major wet dream of the leftist green crowd. They try to frame policy for parks management as untouchable, for those who want different management are on the level of brutal thugs without sensitivity of emotions.
    Sadly, the frequent bad news of severe fires in parks indicates that change is needed. Parks tend not to have access roads and firefighting vehicles as often as farm land has. Public access can be less constrained, leading to a higher probability of arson. The main current park fire management seems to be to let the fires burn themselves out, so that the same area will then have a few more years of lower fire risk.
    Much of this topic is emotional discussion that tries to avoid actual costs of damage and its future reduction. The current management is a cost avoidance and blame avoidance shambles.
    Victoria needs a review of the need for these large public lands – we should be satisfied with 4%, not 40%, of our land as parks. We need to create and test better ways to minimise the frequency and cost of fires on all land. Laissez faire has failed. Geoff S

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      Neville

      Geoff OWI Data now lists Aussie death rates at 0.2 deaths per 100,000 and globally deaths have also seen a big drop since 1980. Aussie death rates are about the lowest in the world today, see my earlier link above.

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    David Paulson

    Sorry to hear about the death of Scott Adams he was one of the first to teach me of the value of logic reason and critical thinking

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      Gee Aye

      Really? How old are you?

      .
      [I think we can let David comment on the passing of Scott Adams without being ridiculed for crediting Scott Adams with teaching him a life lesson. Regardless of at what age he learned that lesson. It seems you could learn a lesson too. But I appreciate people here don’t show you similar kindness. Cheers. – Raquel]

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        Ponzi

        Such a pity he made those racist comments.

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        Gee Aye

        Thanks for the platform Raquel. I hope that David and other “critical” thinkers don’t self medicate with ivermectin and fenbendazole before starting treatments shown by science to prolong life.

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        [I left your previous comment in moderating and my comment was just intended as private feedback to you. Seems another mod thought it was worth approving. How generous of them.
        BTW – Ivermectin is a treatment proven by science to prolong life. I hadn’t heard of fenbendazole. But, upon googling, I see it could clean up the ACT. 😉 – Raquel]

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          Gee Aye

          Ivermectin is a treatment proven by science to prolong life.

          what cancer study shows this?

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          [Probably none. Never occurred to me that Ivermectin would be used as a cancer treatment. More relevant though, it never occurred to me that you would think people only die from cancer and that would be the only way Ivermectin could prolong life. – Raquel.]

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            Gee Aye

            don’t self medicate with ivermectin and fenbendazole before starting treatments shown by science to prolong life.

            This is what Scott Adams did for his cancer treatment. He had even “prepared for physician-assisted suicide through the California End of Life Option Act”, when he opted for medical intervention by mainstream cancer doctors who gave him drugs that eased the pain and symptoms and gave him 6 more months of life.

            He was too far gone at that point for any sort of recovery, like what was possible if he had sought treatment earlier.

            Please don’t self prescribe drugs.

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            [Ah. Thought your references were a little left field. You’re obviously more familiar with his situation than me.

            Given the politics around Ivermectin, and the politics around Adams, unless Adams personally shared details of his journey and decisions; I’d be sceptical of any stories around his situation. Not doubting he tried Ivermectin. Just whether it’s black and white that he refused conventional cancer treatment as a first option if a cure or “recovery” was possible. I would speculate that the prostate cancer was not contained and there was therefore no cure for his cancer. No “recovery” as such. Just ways and means of prolonging life. At that point, people may choose a shot at a left field “cure” rather than a conventional prolonging. Ivermectin may have been suggested as a try. Or he thought of it himself. Nothing to lose except the predicted period of extra prolonging.
            But, I speculate. – Raquel]

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    David Maddison

    What “model” predicted “whiplash”?

    They claim to have accurate working models so good they can predict the temperature at any given location in 50 years but none predicted this.

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    Kalm Keith

    As Jo says above: “Any old weather permutation, any random coincidence is fair game”

    Yes, it’s a trick to help maintain the focus on a completely misrepresented situation and pretend that there is a basis for it in ‘the science’.

    Sadly, it works and the public are led around like scared donkeys.

    Many other areas of science are used inappropriately to hold the meme, for example:

    a. CO2 is an active/relevant factor in the heating of the planet. The real atmospheric physics would be that it is an irrelevance.

    b. Modelling as used in the CO2 drama to give the impression of science. Proper analysis of their ‘models’ shows that they have not created a model and are just using the idea of models as an advertising gimic.

    Additionally there is a complete absence of any evidence that the entire system under analysis has been considered: ie no process analysis or quantitative analysis.

    The whole thing yells ‘trust us’, look over there, we are real scientists ‘. It smells like Advertising.

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    Dave in the States

    Okay, so the new normal is the same as the old normal. Got it.

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    Ross

    So acidic, oceans boiling. Catastrophic climate change, hotspots, tipping points and now we have “whiplash”. Is there no end to the hyperbole? But I suppose if you’re Prof Bowman saying its natural climate change and there isn’t a damn thing mankind can do about it, will not get you funding to setup a new transdisciplinary field of pyrogeography.

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    Ed Zuiderwijk

    It’s a truth universally acknowledged that Samantha needs a bloke.

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    Scoitt Snell

    The dream dies hard, it seems. And we were soooo close to achieving rainbow eco-topia!

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    Pete of Perth

    Not only does Prof Bowman know about pyrogeography and fire science, he is also a time lord:
    BSc (Hons.) University of Tasmania, 2109368420, Australia, 1 Jan 2024 – 1 Dec 1980

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    John F. Hultquist

    The Great Flood of 1862 was the largest flood in recorded history for California, Oregon, and Nevada, occurring from December 1861 to January 1862.”
    Donald Trump’s Great Grandfather is to blame.

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