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Robert Bryce has been speaking in Australia for a week, and will continue at least through Wednesday. His recent piece, Deluded Down Under, is a must read.
“Now, let’s look at Australia’s share of global emissions. Between 2000 and 2023, its share of global CO2 emissions has declined from 1.5% to 1.1% of the global total. Over that same period, the combined emissions from China and India soared from 18% of the global total to 40%. And there’s no doubt that their share of global emissions will continue rising as their economies grow. Thus, Australians can push for net zero all they like, but their contribution to global emissions matters less and less with each passing year.”
https://robertbryce.substack.com/p/deluded-down-under
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That’s just the rational , logical argument.
It is easily outweighed by (insert naggy, whiney hand wringing voice here)
– the need to look good and virtuous, by nebulous measures normal people don’t care about
– the need to “do something” (doesn’t matter how pointless and costly)
– the need to “do our part” (doesnt matter what others dont do, relates to virtue)
– the need not “fall behind” (who or how never needs to be explained)
– the need to assert moral and intellectual superiority by dictating how others should live
– the need to fulfill your fantasies with other peoples money
– and so on
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Hi Don
If we use the figures as presented –
2020 China & India 18% Australia 1.5% Other countries 80.5% = 100%
2023 China & India 40% Australia 1.1% Other countries 58.9% = 100%
Then the proportions for Australia compared to the other countries is-
2020 1.5 / 80.5 = 1.86%
2023 1.1 / 58.9 = 1.86%
So no change for Australia vs other countries (excl China & India)?
If this logic is correct, then the Bowen/Albo plan is not working?
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Interestingly, in 2024, Australia’s LNG exports to China were approximately 31.1 million tonnes. This represented 40% of Australia’s total LNG exports. Also, in 2024, Australia’s coal exports to China were 84.8 million tonnes, a significant increase of 51.4% compared to the 56.0 million tonnes exported in 2023, according to Hellenic Shipping News. So,we can virtue-signal and feel morally superior all we want, but we are in reality hypocrites of the highest order.
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The comments above and the statistics illustrate that Australia’s energy policies are equal parts hypocrisy and lunacy. Hypocritical because we willingly profit from exporting fossil fuels to countries who are all too willing to use them and lunatically we deprive ourselves of the opportunity to use them for reliable/affordable energy.
Regarding the latter point, the most glaring example is that the Victorian Premier Jacinta Allan is aiming to build a facility to receive imported gas near Geelong. Potentially, received gas may have originated in Australia- Boomerang Gas.
https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/major-milestone-gas-import-project
If this doesn’t qualify as lunacy, l don’t know what does.
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About Air India crash; We now know the RAT was deployed.
The RAT or Ram Air Turbine is is small wind turbine which supplies emergency power if there are:
Loss of electrical/computer systems
Loss of hydralics
Dual engines failure
The RAT deploys automatically.
Loss of power would explain the flaps being up as the slip stream would push them to neutral position with loss of power to the actuators. And would explain not being able to retract the gear.
Loss of thrust was reported by the pilots in their mayday call, so dual engine failure is the most likely cause at this point. Fuel contamination being a possible cause among many.
787’s have landed safely using the RAT. But in this case it happened on take off having barely obtained flying speed.
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You have a busy plane, lots of luggage, high temperatures and a full fuel load ready for a long journey. You don’t need too many things to go wrong for there to be a disaster.
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The surviving passenger says he heard a loud bang on the takeoff climb, this was possibly the RAT deploying, the RAT is a spring loaded wind turbine that when tripped, deploys rapidly into the airstream just behind and below the starboard wing trailing edge, it provides some emergency electrical and hydraulic power.
This indicates a major power failure on board, but a power failure will not cause the engines to stop, there is a gear driven generator on each engine which provides the engines electrical needs, what will stop the engine is an oil pressure failure, loss of fuel pressure, ingesting a flock of geese and more importantly, a command to stop or roll back to flight idle, which could be the cause of loss of thrust.
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There might also be some other hints from the sole serving passenger statement:
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Dave, photos of the crash scene show both flaps and slats still set in the take off position, so the short takeoff run and no flap takeoff theories are void, what caused the engines to roll back, that is the question, electrical power failure should not cause then to stop.
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Wondering why you think loss of (or lack of control of) electrical power wouldn’t potentially cause engine issues in a primarily electrically controlled aircraft. Seems a possibility
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Jet engines, once started, are self sustaining except that fuel must be supplied under pressure by pumps. I imagine that each engine has a mechanical pump but engine management may require electrical power.
The ram air turbine should supply sufficient electrical power for that.
Fuel contamination also seems unlikely since each engine is supplied from its own fuel tank and the engines were operating normally until about 10 seconds after take off.
Something caused both engines to be throttled back at the same moment. What that was is still unknown but as I mentioned yesterday I suspect either the mind of the pilot or his substitute,ie onboard computer systems.
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Yes but they also have controls like throttles, revetsers and shut down components.
Its probably just me but ruling out the impact of electrical failure , which can take many modes in a predominantly electrically controlled aircraft, seems a tad premature.
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Both engines are fed from their own wing tank, the electric pumps in the tanks don’t need to run to sustain the engine at low altitude, the engine driven pump will suffice so a complete electrical failure in a mostly electric plane won’t kill the engines
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We’ll see I guess.
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The QANTAS A380 which had a harrowing experience out of Singapore made a safe return but evacuation was delayed until one engine could be shut down.
The No. 1 engine on Qantas Flight 32 could not be shut down after the emergency landing in Singapore due to wiring damage that prevented the low pressure (LP) and high pressure (HP) valves from closing.
The engine was finally shut down by pumping firefighting foam directly into the engine.
AI-generated answer. Please verify critical facts.
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“photos of the crash scene show both flaps and slats still set in the take off position, ”
Do you see the flaps down in the video?
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There is a pic of a wing that shows slats at least partially deployed.
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The video resolution isn’t good enough to determine.
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The wheels were still down, which suggests the bang might have been more sinister than human error.
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A moment of silent reflection repose and compassion for the families of the lost souls.
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“Loss of thrust was reported by the pilots in their mayday call, so dual engine failure is the most likely cause at this point. Fuel contamination being a possible cause among many.”
One of those many possible causes is activation of a BHUAP.
Conspiracy theory , needless to say.
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U.S. war on Iran ?
Unsubstantiated rumour at best …..
The real news :-
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trump-no-more-bullshit-windmills
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It’s great that TRUMP put an end to windmills but unfortunately that means the fanatically woke countries with the most extreme anti-energy policies like Australia will intensify their efforts to procure them.
Especially now that the US won’t be purchasing them, there will be a huge excess of windmills in the marketplace and these defective products will be sold to countries like Australia who will eagerly keep purchasing them, with generous taxpayer subsidies, until the lights go out permanently.
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In this short video clip, TRUMP essentially declares an end to windmills (by declaring how horrible they are).
Its not hard to do if you have a leader, not globalist UN/WEF puppets as Australia has.
https://youtube.com/shorts/5uyc3He5VVM
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Dein Führer nicht mein.
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[translation:
Your leader not mine.
– Raquel]
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Who is your leader?
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Dein Deutsch ist fehlerhaft. (Your German is faulty.)
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Defective? Not fit for purpose in the first place. Imagine if the Sydney Opera House fell down after 20 years? Or the Sydney Harbour Bridge, coming up on its centenerary. The West Gate Bridge in Melbourne had a design lifespan of 40 years, which expired a decade ago. The Brooklyn Bridge with its amazing steel cable suspension.
But we are spending, not investing, hundreds of billions Nationally in an energy system based on windmills and solar panels which will be useless before we have finished. It’s criminal.
In California Ivanpah is being closed. “The project, developed by Bechtel, had an initial cost projected at $2.2 billion ($A4bn), creating the largest solar farm in the world when it was built. The project, 40 miles southwest of Las Vegas, uses 170,000 mirrors, or “heliostats.””
The Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System was completed and opened in February 2014. So $A4Bn for something which has lasted 11 years. Typical.
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Can POTUS actually demand no one buys them? Those 50 states are like cats.
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All he has to do is remove the tax credit.
As Warren Buffet said:
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And even with original building and operating subsidies consideration for the removal and replacement costs deters shareholders from repowering their business location no longer working assets.
What is the Bowen-Albanese Plan B?
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Lie their way through the next election. The Ley Liberals seem to be on board the Idiot Express although the Nats are calling it quits. Besides the average voter is stupid which means the 50% who vote ALP/Green/Teal are more stupid than that and believe the climate claptrap.
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Okay. I’ll guess it was refueled with gasoline rather than jet fuel.
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Jet engines aren’t that fussy about fuels, if it will burn, it will run, unlike a piston engine if misfuelled with jet fuel, will most likely fail very quickly.
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But dirty fuel in India? Loss of power in both engines on takeoff.
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..to much nano-aluminium for chemtrails in the fuel, I read it on the internet!
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If the fuel was contaminated, the airport would have been closed, or so logic says, but it wasn’t.
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There was a plane before and a plane after that one, why didn’t they have trouble.
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See for example US Abram Tank
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Our ADF found out after they had bought the Abrams that most bridges around the place were load rated at far less than the 73 tons, so it was going to difficult to move or use them, wouldn’t you think some brainiac would have thought of that before they blew megabucks on them.
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Also they are too wide for most railway tunnels so would not be able to be moved by rail down the East coast. They are a very fine tank however. I noted a statement by an Ukranuan commander recently along the lines of ” far better to have many less sophistigated equipments than a few very sophistigated equipments. Hence Russia building 5000 drones per month.
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The Neptune P2V7 had two 3,700 hp piston engines but had two jets fitted because their GTO weight was massive, they wanted some safety margin. The aircraft operated at very low altitude when on a sub hunt so they liked some standby power then too if one of the big engines pooped itself. These jets ran on the same avgas as the piston engines, but it was unleaded while the standard 100/130 at the time used lead octane improvers.
Today avgas is unleaded so can be burnt in jets, except that it is even more volatile and expensive.
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Same, or similar engine to the Constellation? And the B29? (Have one of the engines at the local aviation museum – very impressive.)
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Prolly right on the Connie, they were the pinnacle of piston engine development. “Compound” was in the name, that referred to Power Recovery Turbines that spun at speed in the exhaust manifold with the shaft mechanically coupled to the gearbox.
When Connies ruled there were replacement engines scattered around the world ‘though I don’t recall too many engine replacements on a Neptune. But I was a queer trades, not a sumpy.
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Video about why chickens make the best “dinosaur” pets:
https://youtu.be/aBrFtlyAcR0
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Video about the Neanderthal extinction and the possible contribution from the Laschamp event (earth magnetic field weakening and reversal) 41,000 years ago.
https://youtu.be/XFHduHvxU2M
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Nah natural selection, would you want to kiss that?
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It seems odd that most reconstructions of Neanderthals seem to look ugly, at least from an H. sapiens sapiens point of view.
There must have been some that looked OK because modern humans interbred with them.
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David,
Careful what you write. Some sad people might say this is evidence for male exploitation of females by violence and rape being part of forever history.
Geoff S
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Hang on- there might have been queues of Cro Magnon women lining up for Neanderthal men because of some attributes, like African men are very popular for a fling these days.
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Rape is a successful (if unethical, immoral) strategy to spread genes. Obviously this applies to both males of neanderthal and sapiens species.
The reason rapists did not take over the world is that good men guarded their women. Rapists got punished in the most final kind of way. Thus the “net benefits” of rape as a fertility strategy were limited.
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So there was no exploitation of males by females?
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Sure, women can lie, deceive, cuckold, and cheat. They can manipulate groups to isolate and ostracize.
But there is no five-minute option to force their genes into the next generation.
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If you leave out rape, the role women play in partner selection is usually ignored in genetics but perhaps more important.
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Humans are almost unique in the emphasis of attractiveness is mainly applied to women, not men. In many species it is the male who is the peacock, not peahen. Or the nest builder, home maker, provider who tries to attract the female.
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I would even suggest that many societies are actually matriachies. I remember the first reading of Frank Herbert’s Dune, now a film series. It was all matriachy with strong echoes of Jewish society. There is a great concern about the patriachy and toxic masculinity, as if matriachies did not exist. Violence is a different matter. It is a question of who is directing it.
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Those guys are now called incels.
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I just found it really hard to find a video of this ‘T-shirt experiment’ that shows how we prefer people who have a different immune system, but that the oral contraceptive pill changes women’s attraction on a smell level https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-drpViV5LSw
I guess this is incel-ly to discuss.
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Being an avid reader, in the mid 80s, I wanted to task myself to read a more informed cross section of novels, and I branched right away from what I was comfortable with, and actually found what I was missing, diversity, in the real meaning of that word.
It led me to authors I would not have even thought of earlier.
The three most surprising among those (many many) were Diana Gabaldon, Jean M Auel, and Edward Rutherfurd. (umm, and there’s 24 one and a half to two inch thick novels right there)
Aeul’s ‘Earth’s Children’ series of novels were surprising, not just for the (pre)historic fiction, but for the meticulous research she did before and during the writing of the novels, and that carried across to the Rutherfurd novels, and the historical nature of the Gabaldon novels as well.
Ostensibly all of them fiction, that researched history gave background and context.
Now, where this relates to the comment I’m replying to, is with respect to the Jean M Auel novels, the first of which was ‘Clan Of The Cave Bear’, where the author explains the ‘interactions’ between the Neanderthals and (in this case) Cro Magnon man. (early H. sapiens)
These Auel novels were set in the time period around 30,000 years ago, when the ‘Arctic’ ice was as far South as The Mediterranean.
In much the same vein, Rutherfurd also explained that also during this same period there was a ‘land bridge’ between what is now France and what is now England. The Ice retreated and sea levels rose dramatically.
Now, while it is all fiction, I learned so much from the researched background of these authors, and also others as well.
In fact, it was another of the things that added to my original $kept1c1$m of what was originally referred to as Global Warming, before the many stages of morphing of that phrase came into being. An even basic knowledge of that prehistory gave me some insight into what the global warming crowd were claiming.
Tony.
Umm, beware, read one and you’re ‘hooked’.
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Yes Tony,
The Jean M Auel novels were an excellent intro into the prehistoric world
though the third novel stretched the imagination quite a lot.
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I was expecting her to invent radio or computers by then!
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The Dogger Bank still exists as a sand bank where it was farming land and a land bridge to Europe. It was known as Doggerland. A lot of that land in that area is still technically below sea level, like much of the Neder(lower) lands including Belgium. Much of Holland is up to 7 metres below sea level.
Belgium also was intentionally flooded in WW1 to stop the Germans in at least a meter of sea water and the land was really unusuable for farming for twenty years. Just in time for WWII.
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Who looks at the mantlepiece while they’re stoking the fire.
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I’m a big fan of the theory, it killed off Australia’s mega fauna and impacted humans too. Climate change would have been a major contributor.
‘Mungo Lady and Mungo Man lived in the region now known as the Willandra Lakes, western New South Wales, around 42,000 years ago during the late Pleistocene …’
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Back in the day before fossil fuel lighting people carried portable lighting systems with them when travelling, in the form of portable fold-up candles holders.
Video: https://youtu.be/h3B19xuuuRw
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Note that oil once again saved ordinary people. Inexoensive paraffin candles became available in the mid 19th century as a product of oil but before that the best candles were made from beeswax or whale oil which only the rich Elites could afford. Ordinary people had to make do with candles made from tallow which were smelly and smoky or just use what little light came from the fireplace, if they could afford wood.
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Coal helped save the British oak trees and oil saved the whales.
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And green salads saved the olive oil business.
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I thought it was all the “new era nutritionists” that said seed based oils were “bad”.
After 25 years of (only) olive oil my arteries are apparently still “clear”.
Alas the “28s” like getting to the olives before they reach the picking stage.
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I am wary of strategic ‘medical’ news, like the popular 1990s story about how olive oil was so good for your heart, the mediteranean diet. I suspect it was the olive oil marketing board. Agricultural workers in Italy lived on olive oil and had remarkably low levels of heart disease. But researchers took a control group of workers to the city, away from the very hard labour jobs and the effect of a high olive oil diet was disastrous. Fat is fat. In moderation. They are finding similar things with animal vs vegetable fat. And the push for transfats was a disaster, something which became law in America before they found transfats from vegetable oil were highly carcinogenic.
One son recently told me that there was more caffeine in tea than in coffee. That’s technically true, per kilo. Except you only dunk light tea leaves momentarily. You don’t eat them. Try Turkish coffee. Again the coffee marketing board has done a great job.
We get the same fake facts in Climate Change propaganda. Take brown coal, the ‘filthiest’ form of energy according to nearly everyone. The energy yield per ton is terrible, so they are banned. Literally. In Victoria the government banned a $400Million export order from India. But Victorian brown coal is 66% water. Dried it has almost the same calorific content per ton as black coal.
Fake facts. No shortage of them. Especially that 1/3 of CO2 is from fossil fuel, with no explanation as to why it sticks in the air for ‘thousands of years’ when all other CO2 is in rapid circulation with the oceans. Despite the fact that fossil fuel CO2 is identical to other CO2. So man made Climate Change is just absurd. Humans cannot change CO2 levels by burning fossil fuel or growing trees or even burying CO2 in the ground.
But the governments don’t care. Now you have to pay for your CO2. And the government could care less about actually reducing CO2 output. That’s the insane Safeguard Mechanism, 35% cash on all CO2 output for our ‘biggest polluters’. Pollution is fine, if you hand over the cash.
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Some wag said that one day the govt would charge us for fresh air, we just laughed.
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My neighbour asked me to teach his young kids, 5, 6, 7 about electricity so I have purchased them a hand cranked generator kit and batteries and light globes etc..
After a couple of lessons they will know more about electricity than a typical Aussie politician and indeed any “scientist” or “engineer” complicit in the climate change scam.
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Well done David, they will also learn how much effort it takes to generate even a tiny amount of electricity.
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Fleming’s hand rules – still too complicated to remember!
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Flemings Right hand rule, still remember that from mech college.
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My Grandfather Bill Thompson worked at Perth power station as an engineer. I remember his model of a motor/generator he built for us to demonstrate electricity when we were boys. I even have a picture, taken later, of us soldering together a Tandy multimeter kit.
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My grandfather was a senior electrical engineer for the Rural Bank and his son, my uncle, was also an electrical engineer and when I was pre-school they used to explain very simple things to me in their small home workshop.
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Explaining electrical power generation to the ‘average’ person is almost an impossibility really. To distill it down to the briefest of brief precis, or the concentration span of that average person, is, in fact, impossible. Here, I’m reminded of Maxwell Smart, after The Chief has just explained what needs to be done. Maxwell says, Chief, I missed a bit. What part did you miss Max….. Umm, that bit right after now listen closely.
When I started doing all that I’ve done since March of 2008, the owner of my home site asked me to explain how electrical power is generated, and from that point on, my task then became to ….. try and make something so complex a little easier for that average person to understand, and therein was the source of so much agony for me.
In 2010, Concentrating Solar Power (Solar Thermal Power) was the ‘coming thing’, the saviour, the way of the future, the answer, the replacement for coal fired power.
In an effort to try and explain just why this was not the case, I laboured long and hard to try and find a way to explain just why.
The end result was the Post at this link, where I explained (well, attempted to anyway) why this was not the answer, and to do that I needed to explain the basics of electrical power generation, something I tried to explain at the very start of this long Post.
The Major Physical Impossibility Of Solar Thermal Power
Just that took 2,600 words.
Failed miserably.
See how it’s just not so easy to even begin to explain electrical power generation.
Tony.
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Thanks Tony a Superb Explanation – copied to Notes – exported as pdf and printed for 13 year old and emailed to 19 year old Grandsons
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No signed card from Greta, and a plate of insects?
In the good old days, education would be a knife and being pointed to a wall outlet. 😆
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A new informed generation.
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FWIW
“The Left Not So Happy With The Monster They Created”
” You complain that Trump is acting like a “dictator,” but what is actually happening is that you created a monster that you thought you could control, and now you find out that you can’t control it. ”
https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2025-6-12-the-left-not-so-happy-with-the-monster-they-created
Via https://hotair.com/headlines/2025/06/15/the-left-not-so-happy-with-the-monster-they-created-n3803815
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“When a Democrat was President, he could exercise all executive functions because the commissions and bureaucracy would support him as part of their team; but when a Republican got elected, he would be boxed in by the commissions and bureaucrats who would assure continuance of the policies of the progressive groupthink, with maybe a handful of tweaks around the edges. ”
That is the model used throughout the West. Fill the bureaus with new commissions made up of Left-wing public serpents and give them control of Govt functions, then make it impossible for a political party to over-ride them.
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Hi KP, what you say is absolutely true. All US Presidents could be viewed as dictators to some extent, albeit Dementia Joe’s regime had behind-the-scenes dictators. So, for the media etc to only focus on Trump is completely biased and misleading.
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Donnie craves media coverage, he is self obsessed.
The US Constitution was framed at a particular time in history and may have reached its used by date.
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you mean that media interaction is self obsession? I see it as communicating with the public via the media. How else do you advise what decisions you are making and why you make them.
I estimate that Trump is the most accessible POTUS ever. So far ahead of Biden who when he did talk no one could understand what he was saying.
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Biden had dementia and his inner circle held him up, like they did for Ronald Regan, its really dodgy politics.
Trump is a different kettle of fish, a wanna be autocrat with ill conceived ideas. I admire the way he has created a new world order within months of taking office.
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QLD is a great example, 30 years of labor appointees.
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FWIW – a new word
” How Mark Twain Got His Start.”
“To Absquatulate”
https://americanmind.org/salvo/to-absquatulate/
Via https://instapundit.com/726168/#disqus_thread
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I hate to say it Ian, but I already mentioned that word…
https://www.joannenova.com.au/2025/05/thursday-104/#comment-2845832
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Illustrating two things (IMO) –
Repetition = reinforcement
Posts can be missed
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Agreed.
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I’m reminded of a word I first heard in the RAAF, one of many in fact.
When I was posted back to the RAAF School Of Technical Training in 1986 to teach the electrical trade to new people, in the Instructors room (and there were 26 to 30 of us) there was a white board, and at the top of that white board was the text ….. Word Of The Day.
Each day, one of any of us instructors could put a word alongside the text, for all of us to debate during time between ‘standing in front of students’, and in fact absquatulate was one of those words.
One of many others was defenestrate ….. to, umm, leave a room via an open window!
One of the first words I wrote in that space was ….. Wendy, causing the scratching of some heads and consternation as to if it was indeed the correct placement for an actual person’s name.
However, it served the purpose, as prior to 1904, that word was not even in the language, let alone a person’s name! And only one other Instructor actually knew that, and it generated quite some debate on the word.
The point here is that virtually each day, we all learned something new.
A further point is that when people were posted from RAAF Units, they usually got a present from the Social Club for that trade, and more often than not, it was an engraved Pewter beer stein, and I have four of them, somewhere or other. When I was posted from the School in 1991, our Electrical Trade Social Club asked what I might prefer as a gift, if it wasn’t that ubiquitous beer stein. I asked for a Macquarie Encyclopedic Dictionary, and now, it stands alongside my (inherited from my Father In Law) beautiful 1300+ page 1941 Merriam Webster Illustrated Collegiate Dictionary, and the surprising thing is how many words have actually fallen out of use in the English language.
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It won’t happen but let’s do a thought experiment.
Suppose Australia elected a rational government in say 3, 6, 9 or 12 years, assuming we have elections ever again.
By that time more coal power plants will have been destroyed and not mothballed
Suppose this hypothetical rational government decided to build coal, gas or nuclear power stations.
Firstly, there is an issue that any large non-geeen project has huge regulatory hurdles and lawfare to jump through. It could take five or ten years to get approval before any building starts happening.
Secondly, with the US abandonment of anti-energy policies, plus pro-energy policies in other non-woke countries, there will be a huge demand for building power stations.
There may not be enough worldwide capacity to build these power stations and in any case, Australia might be broke by then anyway. Australia might have to wait a very long time to build even one power station, let alone the many we will need by then. We might be able to make do by doing life-extension work on what power stations we have left.
Thoughts?
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Have you tried the thought experiment where a skeptic is required to provide evidence rather than mindlessly repeat lies ?
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Miasma
Have you tried the thought experiment where a believer in AGW is required to provide evidence rather than mindlessly repeat lies ?
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Having thoughts requires a brain.
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Such as proof that SLR is not accelerating? Or that all the climatic events that are claimed to be worse are in actual fact reducing?
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Go to the NASA site and READ.
But, of course, you will dismiss it as just lefty, woke, misinformation.
Meanwhile, can you provide some evidence please?.
Good luck in the circle wank.
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The NASA website primarily provides evidence of warming and makes the claim that AGW/CO2 is the cause.
Evidence of warming is not evidence of the cause of warming. They don’t actually provide proof to support the claim that CO2 is the driver. They do suggest correlation between increasing CO2 and increasing temperature is evidence of the cause. But they don’t explain all the contradictory occasions when temperature variation didn’t correlate to CO2 variations.
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“Go to the NASA site”… NASA< that vast bureaucracy that completely failed to advance America's space exploration from the last century? The typical Govt Dept being shown to be a pack of clowns by one private entrepreneur? I'd rather see Burt Rutan in charge of NASA, the man who single-handedly got carbon fibre aircraft off the ground and then was crushed by Govt bureaurats. In 2011 he wrote an interesting paper on how global warming was a scam. Its from an engineering point of view and he takes no prisoners with scientists, 'who are assumed to be wrong most times'.
https://rps3.com/Pages/Burt_Rutan_on_Climate_Change.htm
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What few scientific institutions do you follow ?.
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“What few scientific institutions do you follow ?.”
None, Miasma. I will take their research paper by paper, but Ive worked in a couple and have no respect for their abilities, one over another. I’ve found they are run by bureaucrats, which means they will never find out anything extraordinary and will censor anything too disruptive. Sadly they use taxpayer money to make research so expensive that individual enquirers cannot match the budgets needed to compete, yet it’s the individuals like the Musks and the Rutans that have the biggest impacts on our lives.
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Mmmm, Go to the NASA site and read. Done. https://climatekids.nasa.gov/greenhouse-effect/. “During the day, the Sun shines through the atmosphere. Earth’s surface warms up in the sunlight. At night, Earth’s surface cools, releasing heat back into the air. But some of the heat is trapped by the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. That’s what keeps our Earth a warm and cozy 58 degrees Fahrenheit (14 degrees Celsius), on average.” https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/faq/what-is-the-greenhouse-effect/ “Part of what makes Earth so amenable is its NATURAL greenhouse effect, which maintains an average temperature of 15 °C (59 °F).” So, what is it NASA, 14°C or 15°C? Good start. 1°C is a big difference if a 1.5°C increase is the tipping point. NASA then has a link to UCAR science education. https://scied.ucar.edu/interactive/albedo-brightness. “The atmosphere warms Earth an average of 33-35 Kelvin (33-35°C). This warming from the atmosphere is the difference between a freezing planet and a habitable one.” So according to UCAR the average global surface temperature should be between 15°C and 17°C. The general consensus of the powers that be is that Earth should be between 14°C and 17°C. 3°C is a huge range, when 1.5°C change is going to kill us all. So with an average in 2024 of 15.1°C, where is the issue? These clowns that you happily reference as the purveyors of real science can’t even get an agreement on the basics.
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NASA is not your fathers NASA, woke to the core, in tandem with NOAA and all the other strokers.
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Miasma, what lies?
And in case you hadn’t noticed, we are (mostly) sceptics on this site.
Perhaps you can explain to us how you run an industrial civilisation on wind and solar?
The Left keep telling us that wind and solar is the “cheapest and most reliable” form of electricity production.
So why is China building two coal power stations per week and not much cheaper and more reliable (according to the Left) wind and solar?
And why is China, the world’s largest CO2 emitter by far, and a major power, exempt from the anti-energy policies Australia and other woke, stupid countries have imposed upon themselves?
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Global conspiracy
No evidence for agw
Scientists know nothing
Skeptics somehow know everything
The more CO2 the better ,
All lies
Try harder
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nice attempted deflection, the solar/wind question?
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Thanks for acknowledging the lies.
Show me the costings where nuclear/ fossils are cheapest.
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and deflecting again
nuclear/fossil the cheapest? oh , you know, only the last 70 years of delivered global energy
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Taken over each lifetime to give the correct figure.
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Renewables weren’t around then !, an excellent deflection
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I repeat my reply from yesterday in case you didn’t understand it.
“According to NASA Since 1850, global surface temperatures have risen roughly 0.11°F (0.06°C) per decade from 1850 to 1982.. Since 1982, they have risen 0.36°F (0.20°C) per decade.
So temperatures rose 0.79°C with CO2 rising from 280 to 341 p.p.m. (1850 to 1982) whereas temperatures rose by 0.80°C (1982 to 2022) due to 77 p.p.m. rise in emissions. Yet global emissions have almost doubled (1.93 times or 19,926,203,050 to 38,521,997,860 (CO2 emissions tons) yet there is no acceleration showing (except in alarmist claims).
So the enormous increase in human emissions in those last 40 years MIGHT have caused a total of 0.01°C increase in warming (assuming their figures are correct).
I see no reason to panic.
And why since 1850? There is some belief that there was warming from roughly 1717. (no ice fairs on The Thames even thro’ the old bridge was still there) (animal esp. cattle & sheep farming further North etc). And the HADCRUT database you will have heard from showing temperatures since 1855 was based on a single thermometer in Indonesia for the entire southern hemisphere for 3 years, after which it also had figures from Sydney and Melbourne until Adelaide early in 1862).
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Once you publish your kraken evidence G, you’ll be World famous.
See, science is so straightforward.
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That evidence was published already by NASA – the evidence you claim you accept.
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So NASA already knows this?, that means you’re not telling the whole truth, there’s obviously more evidence that counters your views——-so dishonest.
That’s why we have scientists.
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Greenpeace co-founder Dr. Patrick Moore: “There is no definitive scientific proof… that carbon dioxide is responsible for any of the slight warming of the global climate that has occurred during the last 300 years.”
“But there is certainty beyond a reasonable doubt that CO₂ is the building block for all life on Earth, and that without its presence in the global atmosphere… this would be a dead planet.”
“Yet today, our children… are taught that CO₂ is a toxic pollutant that will destroy life and bring civilisation to its knees.”
see video at https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1934196906369908826
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Appeal to irrelevant authority fallacy.
Moore has ZERO scientific qualifications.
You may as well follow someone with a biology degree !.
I can why skeptics follow any bigmouth.
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You wouldn’t happen to know any bigmouths by chance?
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With the Nats supporting coal fired power stations, its game on.
CO2 is a harmless trace gas and has no influence over climate change.
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Yes Wal,
Moore and Jo for a start.
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Miasma:
>Moore has ZERO scientific qualifications.
B.Sc. in Forest Biology in 1969, and a Ph.D. in 1974
How can we believe your other claims?
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just here to stir , not contribute , why bother
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Skepto,
A biology degree !, he can join Jo on the list of irrelevant authorities.
Try Tony Abbott next.
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If Labor can get through the next 3 years without a massive blackout, then they might get reelected (but I doubt that the economy would be in a state that made reelection unlikely.
The likely ‘solution’ will be building gas-fired CCGT plants. Unfortunately this isn’t possible at the present because they would be expected to (like in the UK) run only when the wind doesn’t blow or the sun doesn’t shine, but by that time the economy will not be able to pay “renewables” to keep going.
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Whilst CCGT would be the fastest to build, building the gas supply infrastructure for them would be NIMBY-ed into oblivion.
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That has 2 interpretations but let’s go with the nice one.
Oh, the new flat Earth troll is back.
Miasma, noun
A noxious atmosphere or influence.
A poisonous atmosphere formerly thought to rise from swamps and putrid matter and cause disease.
A thick vaporous atmosphere or emanation.
Can’t argue with the choice of names.
Can’t argue with Miasma’s facts either as I have yet to see one.
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If there is a genuine hell on earth, apart from CECOT in El Salvador, it might be this prison in Madagascar, the subject of the following video.
And Madagascar is no tropical paradise either, it is one of the few countries to still have bubonic plague.
https://youtu.be/PAXDFzpLzcE
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I’m finding this years “warmest winter ever” a bit cool.
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Ive just walked to the post office at 9.30am in a cloudless sunny morning… breaking the ice in puddles and crunching across the white frozen grass in parks.
Last week’s snow was two months early too.’
Still, if there’s money to be made in proving warming, people will find some way to prove it!
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Jeez, you must be in Ballarat. My first winter in the south was there.
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Victoria’s Renewable Grid Buckles Under a Brutal Cold Snap
Essay by Eric Worrall
In 2021 the Australian State of Victoria enshrined a fracking ban into the state constitution. Now they are paying the price.
Victoria uses 13pc of entire year’s gas budget in just three days
…
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/06/15/victorias-renewable-grid-buckles-under-brutal-cold-snap/
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Well the Labor Government will have a cunning plan! Ban people using gas to cook and keep warm by using electricity from the shut down coal plant.
Fortunately they don’t have any (creditable) opposition.
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Plan D gets under way on July 1. Get through evening peaks using household batteries charged from rooftop solar. Will work most days. On the days it doesn’t, Aldi has annual sales on ski gear to keep you warm. Aldi also has good value tinned fish – no heating required.
On the other side of the world, Texas kills a few people when the grid collapses so they legislate to ban intermittent generators from connecting to the grid. The US Energy Secretary accurately labels wind and solar “grid parasites”. Trump accurately labels windmills environmental vandalism.
Meanwhile in Australia, Blackout forges ahead with his 23GW of new wind despite AEMO telling him there will be no transmission lines to connect them to the grid – hence Plan D.
The Federal Government is also planning a “Productivity Summit” because all the clowns in Canberra cannot work out why Auystralia’s labour productivity has fallen off a cliff.
Here’s a thought, last week, a tiny fraction of China’s skilled work force planned, designed, constructed and commissioned a 2GW coal fired power station. In Australia, a significant proportion of Australia’s skilled work force installed rooftop solar panels on thousands of Australia homes, installed hundreds of batteries in Australian homes, erected a 5.4MW wind turbine, 10MW of solar panels in the bush and argued with farmers where the power line for said wind turbine and solar panels will run.
I am wondering if the eventual grid collapse in Australia will shift the direction needle off REALLY, REALLY STUPID to just REALLY STUPID.
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SA had a big failure a few years ago. Anyone remember it? The crow eaters quickly forgot and no one changed a vote.
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And some are still pretending that it nothing to do with renewables, only loss of transmission towers. Trouble is, the towers that went down weren’t on the main line, with subsidiary lines able to take the load. But there wasn’t any power to deliver, with all the wind turbines suddenly out of action. A strikingly similar scenario to Spain’s blackout.
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? The government changed at the next election despite Weathrdill spending half a billion on gas turbines and batteries leading into a summer election.
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Was there a government change? My apologies if true. There wasn’t a policy change though.
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Unfortunately I think the Government and the Left will use the breakdown at a coal plant as “evidence” of the supposed unreliability of coal hence they will argue they need even more windmills, solar panels and Unicorn f@rts.
It’s funny that breakdowns were rare and of little or no consequence before the Government and the Left told power companies that coal power stations were “stranded assets” and they’d be out of business soon, hence they minimised standard maintenance knowing the Government was in the process of running them out of business.
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It was the most bizarre thing that a particular drilling technology, hydraulic fracturing (fracking) would be banned in the state constitution
What’s even worse, the fake conservative Liberals voted with the Andrews regime to do it
The lack of foresight and profound technical ignorance of the politicians and the senior public serpents who tell them what to think, is beyond comprehension.
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Remember the Longford Gas Plant explosion years ago which shut down most of the gas supply? Householders were ordered to shut off their gas so that essential users like hospitals could get by. Luckily we had plenty of reliable electrical power to help us through the weeks of no gas. I suspect we would be in dire straights now if something similar happened.
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In that event, Victoria would need Sleezy to step in and tell the exporters in QLD to send more gas south. I think there is enough line capacity to supply Victoria if there is gas available. And Australia exports way more gas than it consumes.
It would make economic sense for Victoria to shift entirely to lignite for its energy supply and export gas as well. But that is not the plan. That is a few generations away.
Victoria would only need to borrow China’s power station construction team for a month to build 10GW of new lignite fired capacity to meet most of the energy requirements in the State for the next 50 years. Another month to convert transport to lignite fired electric power rather than liquid fuels.
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“Victoria would only need to borrow China’s power station construction team for a month to build 10GW of new lignite fired capacity to meet most of the energy requirements in the State for the next 50 years. ”
…and the Russians for the cheap nuclear power stations they are building abroad! But politician’s egos come first, not the needs of the people. Imagine the unions if the Govt announced a turnkey power station built by a foreign company using their own labour and materials! You can see who really runs the country!
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I would have preferred Japanese engineers to build us some HELE coal plants. Like the ones featured in the Australian Mining Industry ads years ago. Plus at the same time ordered those Japanese submarines. Even advised us on some high speed rail. But what am I saying- we have idiots in government, it was never going to happen.
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In other news you can make a baby in one month if you get nine women pregnant. Its Project Management 101.
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That’s Worth looking at.
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FWIW – another go
“And…Nope: Lab Grown Salmon Approved for Consumption in U.S. by FDA”
https://hotair.com/headlines/2025/06/15/andnope-lab-grown-salmon-approved-for-consumption-in-us-by-fda-n3803822
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…which is why you should never eat food from America or China, both will poison themselves to death, one from a planned scientific method, the other from a ‘make money at all costs and to hell with safety’ attitude.
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Recent John Anderson conversation with Chris Uhlmann on the true cost of renewables is well worth listening to.
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Just being curious:
I found a site displaying average electrical price in various AU States.
To the nearest cent, here are three:
New South Wales . . 35c/kWh
Queensland .. . . . . . 33c/kWh
Victoria . . . . . . . . . 25c/kWh
In central Washington State here are three counties (not included is the monthly fee for non-energy items:
Douglas County . . 2.33¢/kWh Hydro
Grant County . . . . 5.9¢/kWh Hydro
Kittitas County . . 10.21¢/kWh [← me, mixed sources ]
The exchange rate is about 10 US cents to 15 AU cents
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? was there a question you were curious about?
its well known energy is needlessly expensive here
the State to benchmark is South Australia, they are our “renewables” leader!
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A university of Minnesota spin-off, Niron Magnetics, has a developed a powerful battery that combines nitrogen and iron. Two of the most abundant elements on the planet.
Niron has gained a grant of USD52M to set up a pilot factory.
The lab magnets are achieving an energy product in the ballpark of neodymium based batteries so are a promising development to largely replace rare earth magnets.
A linked paper giving some detail:
https://downloads.regulations.gov/NIST-2023-0005-0062/attachment_2.pdf
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That’s a pretty big deal if they can make it commercial.
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Robert Bryce is touring, sponsored by the IPA as noted previously, check the website for tickets to the function in Sydney this week.
I posted this comment on his great substack item (in the cuttings) explaining why net zero wont work.
Bryce, while you are down under you might like to think about recognising the contribution of Paul Miskelly, Anton Lang, Jo Nova and the Energy Rationalists of Australia who attempted to warn the world about wind droughts which make the transition to intermittent energy impossible.
The elephant in the net zero room is the wind droughts or dunkelflautes that Australian investigators documented over a decade ago.
https://rafechampion.substack.com/p/the-late-discovery-of-wind-droughts
Dirt farmers are alert to the threat of rain droughts, but the wind farmers never checked the reliability of the wind supply to become aware of wind droughts, wind lulls, known as Dunkelflautes in Europe.
https://rafechampion.substack.com/p/we-have-to-talk-about-wind-droughts
THE BRIEFING NOTES CIRCULATED BY THE ENERGY REALISTS
https://www.flickerpower.com/index.php/search/categories/general/list-of-briefing-notes
We are unfunded and we don’t have institutional support like the employees in the IPA and other organizations with common interests. It is disappointing that we have not yet been able to work in partnership with the IPA, the Centre for Independent Studies, the Page Institute and the Menzies Research Unit to optimise our efforts.
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I don’t know where Albo-Tross finds his advisors but…..
The potential total cost of net zero as high as $9 trillion to meet Australia’s target of Net Zero by 2050.
That’s $9,000,000,000,000 !
Prime Minister Albanese recently bragged that his government has allocated just $10 billion ($10,000,000,000) in additional defence expenditure.
Is the futile attempt to achieve Net Zero really more important than defending our country.
At least the National Party have declared they will drop the Net Zero target by, wait for it, 2050
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Albanese Labor often use a misleading accounting of figures by quoting an amount allocated but not saying that it consists of Budget Current Account spending plan and Forward Estimate years of might be budgeted for in future years.
On the subject of health Labor once and still do use the deception that the Coalition cut health spending during the Howard years, the 2006/07 Budget indicated $47.6 billion compared to Labor 1995/96 $20 billion, health as a percentage of budget expenditure 15% Labor and 22% Coalition. Labor cut was Forward Estimate by Coalition and was cut because Forward Estimate of GST revenue fully distributed to the states and territories well exceeded Forward Estimates and the GST Agreement replaced annual negotiated grants to the states. Health spending increased but not in line with Forward Estimates.
And another thing, the surpluses Labor bragged about now ended with deficit for 2025/26 and decades ahead forecast. Creative accounting included windfall tax revenue received, but also defence spending cuts including order deferrals, reduced supply or cancelled. RAAF outstanding delivery for 30 F-35 stealth fighters cancelled ($3 billion) and even funding for RAAF Ghost Bat (Loyal Wingman project) full size jet fighter drones or force multipliers to increase firepower and undertake risky assignments to avoid pilots being killed.
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Scientists detect mysterious radio waves coming from beneath Antarctica’s ice
According to the results published in the Physical Review Letters, the mysterious radio waves were discovered by the Antarctic Impulsive Transient Antenna (ANITA).
Using balloons to send the instruments up high into the atmosphere, the goal was to gain new understandings of cosmic events throughout the universe.
According to Wissel, the balloon is sent up 40 kilometers or 29 miles above the ice to catch emissions signals.
However, the researchers cross-referenced their findings with two other experiments and found that their results did not match up.
This means that what they found were not neutrinos but something else entirely.
Wissel said that there have been some theories that this could be dark matter, but it can’t be confirmed and remains a mystery.
https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/scientists-detect-mysterious-radio-waves-coming-from-beneath-antarcticas-ice
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It could be Jules Verne’s typewriter…
Or Giant Lizard People lounging by Vostok Lake sunbaking in the glorious underworld sun: there’s an archipelago of mysteries down there doncha know!
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Its coming from Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd’s Crystal Cities.
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Why AI experts say humans have 2 years left
https://youtu.be/uMwjKyAPR34?si=AQrBXS2ifnj-PH1H
I’m in the “2 years to AGI” camp.
ChatGPT is tired old news, LLM’s have morphed into LRM’s, and real AI exists in a spectrum.
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“real AI exists in a spectrum…”
So, they’re arguing about AI sex already?
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Heh…
It means consciousness may exist in a broad spectrum, and just because it doesn’t mirror ours, doesn’t invalidate it.
But thank you KP for an interesting concept, that of sex and gender for artificial life.
I shall ponder that one.
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FWIW
“My TCW week in review – fighting the lies”
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/week-in-review-fighting-the-lies/
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Has anyone else but me watch the North Shore on Netflix?
The quality of this production is mind-boggling, but “politically” …
Actually Netflix direction does not surprise me anymore, just that it all happened so quickly.
At this point I just have to tell you a joke, very popular in my town last Century.
As a background – in 1961, CPSU adopted new 20-year Party Program and N. Khrushchev proclaimed: “The current generation of Soviet people will live under communism”, meaning – abundance for free of anything a person may want, plus everything else…
So, as those 20 years were coming to conclusion, one old man asks another:
– Chaim, will we survive to live under communism?
– No, the other replied, but pity about the children.
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Vlad, normally the Netflix programs are really well produced and high quality. Then you will get the occasional shocker. But what grates me the most is the use of the token black person or gay person , which very often has little to do with the plot. Was tempted to watch North Shore but now, maybe not? Finished “Survivors” last night on Netflix and found that to be very good without the usual tokenism.
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Thanks, Ross we will try Survivors.
I do not think you will last more 2 episodes of North Shore.
And you are right, their inclusiveness will not deceive blacks or browns or gays…
It is offensive to me as a minority (in this country) myself, but anyway I know for sure I was given my first job not out of pity.
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There was once an “old boys” network that helped young lads and lasses get their first jobs. They quickly passed their use-by though if you didn’t measure up.
It was The Reference, written by your local priest, father’s friend of standing or any other notable who vaguely knew you or your uncle. It started: To whom it may concern..
You “new Australians” probably didn’t bring a reference from your town mayor. Such thoughtlessness. 🙂
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The whole idea of a state-recognised document, based on my own words (OK, in the presence of respected professional) was so foreign to me at that time that I dismissed it as decadent nonsense.
I wonder if it is specifically English, maybe Italian or French culture are like my own former country – it is either coming from state/police office or it does not exist.
By the way, actually I did not need it much, my boss asked for a copy of diploma a year or two later, maybe “the air” has started to change.
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We’re not going to make it are we.
https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_sxubdrtuvR1z23obp.mp4
🤭
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There is a reason why God entrusted most important tasks to a female half of humanity.
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The McRib you mean? 😆
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I heard that God was a woman until she changed her mind.
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Hey- Those are the people who are about to be called up to defend you!
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George Carlin, the early years, AI edition: The divine plan
https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=1209502793736339&vanity=61576304940118
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FWIW
“How Israel Built a Secret Drone Army Inside Iran That Humiliated the Mullahs and Crippled Their Nuclear Program”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/how-israel-built-secret-drone-army-inside-iran/
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FWIW – one cheeky bugger!
“Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump • 8h
A HUGE THANK YOU to all the
“No Kings” protesters yesterday!
I was very concerned a king was
trying to take my place, but
thanks to your tireless efforts, I
am STILL YOUR PRESIDENT!
Great job all!!!”
“https://x.com/laralogan/status/1934400425303912571
Via https://instapundit.com/726354/#disqus_thread
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Plane spotters have counted 27 USAF aerial tankers crossing the Atlantic and the USS Nimitz is making haste to the Med to join the existing fleet.
Is this a real hardening of attitude and is that because Iran is being exposed as friendless? Let’s face it they are the most hated regime in the world.
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Maybe our PM could send the RAAF Airbus air to air refuelling tanker combination passenger aircraft he is using.
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Not exactly, H.
They have a friend – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg52yflmKtM&pp=ygUNbmViZW56eWEgaXJhbtIHCQneCQGHKiGM7w%3D%3D
Did you know that he is an ethnic Ukrainian ?
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1 am aware that, officially, Russia is an Iranian ally, as it is Syria.
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Is that a post by “Hanrahan the 1st”?
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No, he’s long gone. I’m sometimes Loaded Dog though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvZH1ul4ZrE
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The term ally can mean many different things.
They have no military agreement nor have any obligations to each other in that sense.
They certainly talk to each other, trade with each other and seek to build on that
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In a recent report the Kremlin said they can’t help Iran and began to withdraw their personal.
Beijing is now thinking of leaving the Axis of Evil, which will leave Russia isolated and doomed.
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China’s only interest is to have USA fighting on as many fronts as possible. I doubt it is humanity but simple self interest that China doesn’t want to have anything to do with anyone about to press the red button. They are doin’ OK eating the US from within.
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Xi is history and the new politburo is going to reform China, so any stories you might hear of ‘reds under the bed’ is definitely out of date.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-rapidly-scaling-nuclear-energy-us-faces-sputnik-moment
Oh No’s !!! we are falling behind
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” “win the AI race against China”…One consensus these and other estimates confirm is that there are five to 10 times as many functioning data centers in the United States as in any other country, including China, which has fewer than 500. ”
So, they have more AI computers, but that number doesn’t mean you will win! One better AI is still better than 10 mediocre ones. Personally, I can’t see the value in them, apart from making Govt spying on subjects and controlling them much easier.
“The only new reactor to come online in the United States since 2016 is Vogtle’s fourth reactor in Georgia, $16 billion over budget and six years behind schedule…(China is) on pace to build reactors in about 52 months, so just over four years.”
We is definitely falling behind!
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Not even at the start line 🙂
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So, umm, ….. Happy ‘Billie Joe Mcallister Day’ to y’all!
I didn’t even know there was such a thing, but evidently it’s an important day in the Country Music Scene.
Stems from the opening line from the song.
Tony.
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It’s a haunting mystery. What was the tragic secret between Bobby and Billy? What were they talking about behind the church? And what were they throwing off the bridge and why? Was it a stillborn baby? The deep secrets behind suicide and the unconscious cruelty of callous indifference in family and community.
And a hauntingly beautiful songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv33eaygVDQ.
But…
>TonyfromOz
June 16, 2025 at 3:56 pm
So, umm, ….. Happy ‘Billie Joe Mcallister Day’ to y’all!
>the opening line from the song.
Was the third of June
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Airline passengers over Saudi Arabia capture missiles launched from Iran
https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1934497687036133600
Silly apes fighting over dirt. Here – you get half, and you get half.
Be happy, before there’s no-one left to claim anything.
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Airline passengers over Saudi Arabia capture missiles launched from Iran
With a butterfly net?
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FWIW
“Trump’s EPA Ending Obama-Biden War on the American Energy Industry”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/06/15/trumps-epa-ending-obama-biden-war-on-the-american-energy-industry/
“ElBowen” might eventually realise that they are playing in the little boy’s sandpit.
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FWIW
“Starlink For Iran”
“Standby to copy:
IRANIAN FAQ: HOW TO CONNECT TO STARLINK FROM IRAN RIGHT NOW FROM YOUR PHONE WITHOUT A DISH”
https://www.laughingwolf.net/2025/06/15/starlink-for-iran/
Via https://instapundit.com/726387/#disqus_thread
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FWIW
“Trump Derangement Syndrome seizes the Speccie”
“If Trump truly seeks to be king, he is remarkably ineffective at it. And it would be nice if The Spectator’s literary and artistic contributors could avoid silly derangement about things Trumpian.”
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/trump-derangement-syndrome-seizes-the-speccie/
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This would make Israel’s move against Iran a very bad decision indeed- Does religion trump nationalism?
“Pakistani Defense Minister Khawaja Asif has called on all Muslim nations to unite against Israel following its strikes on Iranian military and nuclear sites. He warned that failing to act collectively would only encourage further attacks across the Middle East. Speaking in the National Assembly on Saturday, Asif argued that Israel “did not act alone” and had received “intelligence, cover, and support.” He said the Muslim world remained “militarily vulnerable” and urged a joint response.”
When Sunni and Shia join together the Middle East will become quite different, between them they could kick the West out completely. In fact if the USA enters the war on Israel’s side there will be very few oil-producing countries that don’t hate America. Where will they buy oil from?
https://www.rt.com/news/619404-pakistan-calls-muslim-fightback-israel/
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Here’s a funny one..
“US President Donald Trump has warned Tehran of retaliation “at levels never seen before” if it decides to attack America..” Sure, makes sense, teh USA will fight back if Iran attacks it, but after all, its half a world away and Iran has no reason to try invade California.
But wait, there’s more-
“..the Iranian response to the IDF’s strikes on the country “will spread to all areas occupied by this [Israeli] regime and related US bases in the region ”
US bases?? Half a world away from the USA… What are they doing there anyway? Not stealing the oil from the various Arab nations they have invaded over the last few decades?? Surely not? ..and they think they shouldn’t be driven out just because they invaded and took over those lands? That attitude is getting a lot of bad press when related to Russia and Ukraine, but seems fine when America adopts it!
https://www.rt.com/news/619347-trump-us-iran-israel/
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