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It’s just a fashion: Even the Climate Worriers don’t want to fly less, drive less or eat less meat either

Rarely do we see how meaningless the fear and worry is. One UK polling group asked people about phasing out coal boilers, adding vegan foods on menus and taxing frequent flyers. But the team followed up to find out whether people were willing to make the sacrifices themselves and support suddenly fell off a cliff. Fifty to seventy percent of so-called supporters were suddenly skeptical.

Most polls are only measuring the size of a cheer squad. 83% of Brits say they’re worried about climate change. But they’re so worried, yeah, they couldn’t even bring themselves to say “yes” to poll question. People know we need to fly less to “Save the World”, but they have no intention of riding the e-bike to the tofu factory instead of holidaying in Majorca.

Somehow 45% of people are dreadfully worried about climate change but if it means catching a bus, the Planet can wait, eh?

How worried is this?

Climate change: UK public more worried than ever about global warming, but still doesn’t want to pay to fix it

The survey also finds that while people are in favour of drastic measures to help the country become net zero by 2050 in theory – when they realise the cost and potential inconvenience it could give them personally support drops off rapidly.

Wow. Watch those numbers fall…

In principle, frequent flier levies receive the highest levels of support at 68 per cent – but this falls to just 32 per cent once the personal implications of such a move have been contemplated. Meanwhile, 62 per cent support phasing out the sale of gas and coal boilers, in principle – falling to just 17 per cent when the personal implications are factored in.

Increased vegetarian and vegan options on menus is supported by 56 per cent – falling to 26 per cent, on the prospect of less meat and dairy choice – while creating low traffic neighbourhoods fell from 53 to 18 per cent, when costs and inconvenience are factored in.

The survey was done by Ipsos MORI and the Centre for Climate Change and Social Transformations (CAST). Though, after searching, I can’t find the questions, the answers, or what kind of “personal implications” were on offer for a survey of 5,665 people. If readers find them, please post the links. I’d love to see those details.

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144 comments to It’s just a fashion: Even the Climate Worriers don’t want to fly less, drive less or eat less meat either

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    The real climate hasn’t been very cooperative with our mainstream media’s and politicians decades of propaganda. Billions of dollars wasted pushing this narrative in every school and venue that wants government funding and grants.
    Mind you, our politicians are extremely good at their psychological warfare on it’s citizens.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/its-2022-and-pandemic-over

    Some people will never be convinced that they’ve ever been deceived or lied to.

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      dinn, bob

      check oout #38 below please! squalene

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      Jojodogfacedboy

      Politicians take over of DEMOCRACY and creation of Death by 1,000 cuts on imposing laws, restrictions and regulations on its citizens.
      Our political system is full of corrupted people of yes men who know better than real engineers and consultants in their area of expertise as specific corporations, companies or individual entities are given special privileges over the rest of it’s citizens by Bribes or Mainstream Media’s Propaganda machine of psychologists or other created experts who are bought for their propaganda expertise.
      Buying and creating projects that were never properly engineered or have actual experienced experts to consult the viability of these projects. Our politicians and governments know better and create their own media experts as these projects fail or will fail spectacularly.

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    Global Cooling

    This is just basics of image marketing. You connect your product to something than everyone agrees on like saving the planet, being modern, healthy, sustainable, successful… . Your message on repeated over and over again so that people start you buy your product, service or policy.

    Connecting smoking to modern, successful adult lifestyle was a great success. Drug dealers use the same idea. Drugs are connected to partying lifestyle. Competitors sell snake oil, horse de-wormers.

    Polls are part of marketing. They just ask whether you agree on the signal omitting reality behind the marketing message. Let’s teach consumers to understand the trick.

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      James Reid

      Maybe something like; it’s cool and fashionable to help others improve their mental health by switching off twitter, Facebook and Google.
      But it needs to be a more catchy presentation than that?

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        Global Cooling

        Sure. We move on avoiding the need to admit being wrong. Do you remember adding alcohol to fuel tanks or digging down rain forests to produce bio fuel? They are not fashionable any more.

        Next thing may be small modular power plants. Notice that this meme does not contain word nuclear. If someone asks, we may tell that they use waste from old facilities.

        FB is for old people like Joe and Nancy. Are you still there?

        People in Soviet Union knew that Pravda does not tell the truth. Its reporters knew that they knew but continued anyhow. Up to the tipping point 1991.

        People can learn evidence-based decision making for example by realizing how medial community uses randomized double-blind tests. We can’t test with the Earth but we have a large variety of locations where yearly average temperature is different.

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    Erasmus

    Climate and Covid, the two most successful cases of mass hysteria in the service of civilisational destruction – with the destruction being not by either climate or covid but by political actors, elected and otherwise.

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      Mantaray Yunupingu

      There’s no actual “mass hysteria”. As you note, we have a class of self-interested and self-serving miscreants (pollies, bureaucrats, media etc) shouting very loudly, and thereby frightening the feeble-minded ONLY….and the huge majority wanting these buffoons to F Off.

      This latter is shown by how difficult it’s been to get the masses to willingly acquiesce to either CO2 “reduction” measures (Gotta pay them to put panels on the roof FFS), or to get vaxed (Gotta take their jobs away: gotta ban them from meeting family and friends: gotta kick them out of cafes and pubs etc etc).

      I suppose what I’m saying is that being able to convince only your sycophant mates of something is not a SUCCESS at all. The great unwashed know it’s all BS, and are not afraid!

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        OriginalSteve

        I find it interesting that just like covid, if you shut off the media, most of the problem vanishes.

        Something in that….

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          Wet Mountains

          That was a thumbs up, cell phone small

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          And China wasn’t working on bioweapon research. Turn off the TV, the problem vanishes…

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            “And China wasn’t working on bioweapon research.”

            well that is what has been promoted on the TV Jo 😉

            but it is a bit more complicated and should teach us all to be a sceptic and do your own research

            l myself have not watched ABC, 9, 7, or 10 news for years now, although l have watched other news programs who have shown how the MSM is editing story’s to suit their narrative or comedy act eg… Koshy and crew on covid or climate LOL

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            MP

            Don’t remember seeing anything about that on the MSM, apparently Sky did a bit but it was a couple of internet sites that ran it.

            Blame China, started with DARPA Fort Detrick, moved to Uni of North Carolina Chapel Hill. These are USA. They are all in this together.

            Blame China and the cause vanishes.

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        bobby b

        “The great unwashed know it’s all BS, and are not afraid!”

        And yet these same great unwashed keep voting for the yutzes that want them afraid. Neither Covid nor global worming would be an issue if voters voted as if they weren’t an issue.

        People are, for the most part, generally, sheep.

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    Phil O'Sophical

    It s no surprise they are ‘more worried than ever’; we are being regaled every minute of every day with climate fear porn, all of which are outright lies and misrepresentation. Just like Covid in fact.

    Read today that polar bears are fleeing the increasing shrinking arctic ice, but when I checked it has risen back above 2013 levels. It seems most people are still blissfuly unaware how corrupt, and agenda-driven, their media are. But when it hits their pockets they might begin to look beyond the veil. I also read today reading that we are to cover endless hectares of land with sterile solar farms, and take even more productive land out of commission by paying farmers to rewild. We’ve already kissed goodbye to energy self-sufficiency and security ‘to save the planet’, now we are doing the same with food, which was supposed to recover after we left the EU. Anyone would think someone actually wanted to covertly crash the economy, but that’s just silly isn’t it!

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      Mantaray Yunupingu

      Phil. Please don’t fall into the trap the scammers have set….

      The masses are not true believers who change their minds when confronted with having to pay etc. They are (have been) merely paying lip service all along. The masses know there’s no Climate Crisis, just as they know there’s no Covid crisis either. Which is why every home has three or four gas-guzzling cars, and why the various govts have been cajoling, coercing, threatening, for two years to somehow FORCE the masses into vax compliance.

      When people believe in something they do it WILLINGLY and with speed.; no bullying necessary.

      FFS. Give the masses credit…it’s only the manipulators and the “educated fools” who accept ANY of this nonsense as real!

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        Dave in the States

        I agree. How willing they are to pay/sacrifice is proportional to the real level of concern.

        However, the first recourse if there is usually to get somebody else to pay. If people think that Fossil Fuel is paying off the alarmists then that’s okay. but it is they themselves that pay. Many don’t realize this. The left love to spend other people’s money. Part of it is the left believe that all property is public. Elites will try to get the government spending the money of the commoners, so they will ultimately pay less too.

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        Antoine D’Arche

        I think this is the crucial truth. If people truly believed in climate change they would change their own behaviour. But they see the scam. Like you said, they have to be bribed to install rooftop solar. There’s hope yet.

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          OriginalSteve

          Rpoftop solar helps heat your outdoor swimming pool….

          Pass the G&T please…..

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            Bruce

            And the best way to use solar energy to heat the pool is to install a proper solar water-heating system.

            Plonking a lot of inefficient energy converters in the middle of that setup is just plain stupid.

            About thirty-five years ago, I was doing electronic control circuits controlled the pump that pushed water through the roof-mounted heater, thus maintaining the selected temperature)in the pool.

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              bobn

              Back in the 1970s we had solar water heating for our pool. The shed next to the pool had a corrugated iron roof that we painted dark brown. Ran a pipe with holes drilled in it from the pool filter up along the shed ridge. Water then cascades down hot tin roof and collected in gutter at bottom and gravity feeds back to the pool. Worked a treat and cost zero to build. Who needs unreliable electronics.

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          ozfred

          If basic arithmetic was taught realistically, most people would realize that the payback time on roof top solar in Australia is generously short (even on the southern coast). Extortion maybe but not bribery.

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        Deano

        I could ask most of the regulars here: “Does the worldwide response to climate change, and the likely consequences from that response worry you?” – taking that question as read I’d predict most (suppose it was 83%) would answer “Yes”. If I then announced –
        “83% of Joanne Nova regulars are worried by climate change.” I’d be grossly misrepresenting the results.

        Nine out of ten dentists recommend toothpaste.

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      GlenM

      Apparently the Herbert River Possum can’t be found in the rainforests of QLD by sleuths from JCU and National Parks. They’ve scarpered! Due to Global warming they have ascended – not to possum heaven, but to higher altitudes. This of course is been foretold by the experts, these same experts that told us that meat ants are digging deeper! Jeez, give me a break. I reckon that I can find some of those possums no worries.

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        Sambar

        Cue Leadbetters possum of Victoria ,so close to extinction that it can only be found near any proposed logging coup.

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    Penguinite

    This is from CAST web page “CAST is funded by the Economic and Social Research Council (ESRC).” Six benefactors All Universities and the point of Contact: CAST, Cardiff University, 70 Park Place, Cardiff, CF103AT, UK.
    Economic Research Council is just another meaningless qango! All mouth and no trousers as me old mum used to say!

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    I think this survey is a few months old and these were the questions asked

    https://cast.ac.uk/ipsos-earthday21/

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      Geoffrey+Williams

      ‘Centre for climate change and social whatever?’
      Load of utter brainwash. The site has opening illustration of a man carrying a bike.
      He had everything, young, fit, and a good tan to match . . Enough said

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        Thanks Tony. You might be right, but I still can’t see the same percentages as written here?

        In principle, frequent flier levies receive the highest levels of support at 68 per cent – but this falls to just 32 per cent once the personal implications of such a move have been contemplated. Meanwhile, 62 per cent support phasing out the sale of gas and coal boilers, in principle – falling to just 17 per cent when the personal implications are factored in.

        Increased vegetarian and vegan options on menus is supported by 56 per cent – falling to 26 per cent, on the prospect of less meat and dairy choice – while creating low traffic neighbourhoods fell from 53 to 18 per cent, when costs and inconvenience are factored in.

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          Mantaray Yunupingu

          Hey Jo (one of my fav Jimi H screeeeches, BTW), a nice way to unsettle the vegan do-gooders when they are busy perusing the exhorbitantly priced “plant-based protein…imitation meat” in the supermarket fridges is to say “I’m onboard with this plant-based-food too. Only eat lamb and beef these days!”

          https://youtu.be/rXwMrBb2x1Q Jimi H!

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    Bruce

    Activism is a way for useless people to feel important, even if the consequences of their activism are counterproductive for those they claim to be helping and damaging to the fabric of society as a whole.- Thomas Sowell.

    For example:

    “Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had”. Michael Crichton

    “Kevin and I will keep (skeptic papers) out (of IPCC) somehow – even if we have to redefine what peer-review literature is” -Phil Jones; Climatefate emails.

    “But one must say clearly that we redistribute de-facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole”. –, IPCC co-chair of Working Group 3, November 13, 2010.

    “The data doesn’t matter. We’re not basing our recommendations on the data. We’re basing them on the climate models.” – Prof. Chris Folland, Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research

    “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution.”
    Quote attributed to Christiana Figueres, Executive Secretary of United Nation’s Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), from 2010 to 2016.

    In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill….All these dangers are caused by human intervention . . . and thus the “real enemy, then, is humanity itself . . . humanity requires a common motivation, namely a common adversary in order to realize world government. It does not matter if this common enemy is a real one or . . . one invented for the purpose.
    Alexander King & Bertrand Schneider, The First Global Revolution, The Club of Rome, p70, 1993

    We will continue to create and tell new stories about climate change and mobilize them in support of our projects.
    Michael Hulme, the founding director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research and a co-ordinating lead author for the chapter on Climate Scenario Development (3rd IPCC Report).

    Government in the future will be based upon . . . a supreme office of the biosphere. The office will comprise specially trained philosopher/ecologists. These guardians will either rule themselves or advise an authoritarian government of policies based on their ecological training and philosophical sensitivities. These guardians will be specially trained for the task.
    David Shearman & Joseph Wayne Smith, The Climate Change Challenge and the Failure of Democracy, p134, Praeger, Westport, Connecticut, USA, 2007. David Shearman was an IPCC Assessor for the third and fourth climate change reports.

    Our intellectual betters…a nasty, psychotic lot.

    ”My three goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with its full complement of species, returning throughout the world.” David Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!

    ”A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.” Ted Turner, Founder of CNN and major UN donor

    ”Unless we announce disasters no one will listen.” Sir John Houghton, First chairman of the IPCC

    ”It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.” Paul Watson, Co-founder of Greenpeace

    ”We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.” Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation

    ”No matter if the science of global warming is all phony… climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.” Christine Stewart, former Canadian Minister of the Environment

    ”The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe.” Emeritus Professor Daniel Botkin

    ”Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” Maurice Strong, Founder of the UN Environmental Program

    ”Global Sustainability requires the deliberate quest of poverty, reduced resource consumption and set levels of mortality control.” Professor Maurice King.

    ”I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. it played an important part in balancing ecosystems.” John Davis, Editor of Earth First! Journal

    Getting the picture, yet?

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      John+R+Smith

      ”I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. it played an important part in balancing ecosystems.” John Davis, Editor of Earth First! Journal

      I suspect they are in process of fixing that one.

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      RexAlan

      Thanks for putting that list together.

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      TdeF

      Very good stuff. Frightening. The comments confirm what is obvious, that the people pushing man made CO2 driven Global Warming do not believe a word of it. I could not believe anyone believed it, especially after all this time.

      Every single prediction over 35 years has proven wrong. Those terrible futures predicted in the 1980s, 1990s, 2000’s, 2010’s have proven baseless. And the satellite measured world temperature in 2021 was identical to that in 1980.

      And still governments, company boards bend to the will of the few. Supported by an army of Twitter activists.

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        TdeF

        And I wonder about major business figures like billionaire Australian Twiggy Forrest who has made his fortune from iron ore? Does he really believe in man made Global Warming (Climate change is meaningless anyway) Or is he just trying to get on board the Next Big Thing, Hydrogen. One clue is that he is calling for governments to tax mining companies and give the money to him. Now that he no longer has a mining company.

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          TdeF
          January 3, 2022 at 8:51 am · Reply
          And I wonder about major business figures like billionaire Australian Twiggy Forrest …
          …… is calling for governments to tax mining companies and give the money to him. Now that he no longer has a mining company.

          Whilst he is no longer CEO of FMG, he is still a major share holder,…to the extent that he recieved $2.1 bn last year alone from the company profits .!

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            Alan

            beat me too it

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            TdeF

            So he has a 30% exposure to an increased operating cost but someone else’s loss in diesel taxes becomes his direct income. Nett gain, up to 70% on other people’s money in his own company but even more from companies he does not own. As with windmills, Climate Change is a chance to get everyone’s money without risk by using backdoor taxation. As with the RET scheme, billions in Government controlled carbon certificates hidden in your electricity bills. The world’s biggest Carbon tax in a country which voted for no Carbon taxes.

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              Kalm Keith

              The Libls in our state, NSW, were the ones to privatise the sale of electricity to household consumers; and didn’t they hit us hard.

              Every aspect of electricity production and distribution was Piratized to maximize profits for the new enterprises.

              High electricity costs and associated fees has caused many businesses to go under.

              I have no good thoughts about Laba or Libl or their little brother/sister the Greeeens.

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          Alan

          Twiggy still holds about 30% of FMG (through Minderoo), is chairman and has several other smaller mining companies

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          Clem Cadiddlehopper

          “Does he really believe in man made Global Warming”. I think that there is always the distinct possibility that he could be sucking up the Greenies ( I have actually heard some of them praising him) to keep them off his back. There are quite a lot more of the rich elite doing the same thing.

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          MP

          Dr Forrest’s commercial business, Tattarang, is backing new renewable green energy projects including WindLab wind power and SunCable solar power, and expanding sustainable and carbon-neutral practices within agri-food business Harvest Road.

          Dr Forrest has a PhD in Marine Ecology from the University of Western Australia, and serves as an IUCN Patron of Nature, a World Economic Forum Friend of Ocean Action, and a member of the United Nations Environment Program’s Scientific Advisory Committee on the Assessment on Marine Litter and Microplastics.

          Dr. Forrest is Co-Chair of the Australia-China Senior Business Leaders’ Forum, Global Patron of the Centre for Humanitarian Dialogue, and served as a Councillor of the Global Citizen Commission charged by the United Nations in 2016 to modernise the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

          https://www.npc.org.au/speaker/2021/915-dr-andrew-forrest-ao

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            Kalm Keith

            Obviously he can tell which way the wind’s blowing.

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            Macha

            Am thinking thats the wrong Forest. Twiggy i know snd worked for wasn’t a PHD.

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            Dr Forrest has a PhD in Marine Ecology from the University of Western Australia,

            . Apparently he studdied “Marine Science” for a “hellish” 4 years After he quit FMG !
            …..his PHD consisted of developing a plan to levy plastics manufacturers a few hundred dollars per ton to fund ocean clean ups !
            …..a fund which his organisation will administer !…….neat huh !
            ( Twiggy also studied Finance in his youth !!)

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        TdeF

        And “Activism is a way for useless people to feel important” is not the whole story. A lot of idealistic young people want a romantic adventure, a way to make the world a better place. And destroying the evil black carbon industry seems like a worthy cause.

        I was amazed when a student lamented that he was not priviliged to be around to protest the Vietnam war, that people who went through that time were so lucky with the opportunity to make a difference, feel strong emotions, make bold statements which mattered.

        One of the prime targets of all manipulators is children. Adolph knew it well and his Hitler youth were his army in waiting, indoctrinated in his belief that everyone else was inferior and that mass murder was acceptable for untermenschen, inferiors.

        Global Warming does not have to be true to excite young people. In fact that it is obviously false is of no consequence. It’s a cause. Revolution. Such an army would overthrow even the most benevolent caring society. Consider the James Dean movie “Rebel without a Cause” “a 1955 American coming-of-age drama film about emotionally confused suburban, middle-class teenagers.

        “plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose”, “the more things change, the more they stay the same”. But the trillions in raw cash and power politics (UN/EU/China) behind Global Warming means the press is on board. And in an internet world, the ‘jounalists’ are often teenagers too.

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          TdeF

          Never a day passes without some weather somewhere being branded on the front page as man made Climate Change? 35 years of this has an effect and now at least two generations of students have been told it is all true. So the evidence of their own eyes means nothing. That’s indoctrination. How do you deprogram a whole population?

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    another ian

    More fashion

    “Sunday Talks, Fauci Says CDC Quarantine Guidance Will Change Tomorrow After Feedback from Media, Not Science
    January 2, 2022 | Sundance | 49 Comments”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/01/02/sunday-talks-fauci-says-cdc-quarantine-guidance-will-change-tomorrow-after-feedback-from-media-not-science/

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    This article a couple weeks ago was fun.

    Shifting conferences online cuts carbon footprint 94% (Phys.org, 16 Dec)

    Somehow I doubt it will be popular among Greens, Davos attendees, pollies and all their staffers. They seem to like zooming around in private jets a lot more than Zooming in front of a laptop.

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    PeterS

    Again it’s just another form of mass formation psychosis, which is a group think physiological problem. It comes down to how and why people interpret the facts and information differently. People are bombarded with so much information these days thanks to modern technology, and it is done rapidly and continuously. Never before in history did we have such a wide and deep sources of information at our finger tips. The problem is it’s impossible to sift through all of it in order to make an “fully informed” decision. Instead many go the other extreme and and just listen to the MSM to be fed with the news, often fake as we know. Therein lies our problem. Most are being fed with fake news much of the time and they believe it. Even whistle-blowers have a hard time to convince those people to change their minds. The only way is to DYOR using an objective mind as best you can recognising the fact it’s impossible to sift through all the information. The more information one digests and studies the better. However, in order for that to work one must also be unbiased at all times. Therein lies the second problem. Most people are biased, one way or the other, left/right, up/down, whatever. It’s hard to be truly objective. I struggled with it myself until I found Christ and the Holy Spirit came to my assistance. Then it started to became clearer and clearer. I’m not saying one has to find Christ to become truly objective. I’m just saying that’s what happened to me. It will happen in other ways for other people. To be truly objective one must be humble, not arrogant. That in itself is hard for so many people. It doesn’t take a rocket scientists to know that. Simple observation is proof of that everywhere. In the end it’s up to the individual. We can try to lead a horse to water but to make the horse drink it is a totally different matter. The solution for any issue really is to DYOR. It’s the best way to come to a proper understanding and appreciation of the truth. It’s hard and it takes time, which is why so many people won’t do it.

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    Graeme No.3

    I cannot blame them for a reluctance to ride an e-bike to the tofu shop.

    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2022/01/02/hundreds-of-e-scooters-damaged-after-blaze-breaks-out-in-warehouse/

    And the comments also mention other fires.

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      Klem

      I wouldn’t be caught dead with an e-car in my garage due to that annoying spontaneous combustion thing. It’s only a matter of time before an entire apartment building burns to the ground because an e-car blew up in the basement.

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        TdeF

        There was a major house fire near me a few weeks ago. Flames into the night sky. Lots of sirens and fire trucks. The cause? A battery stick vacuum cleaner. The problems with fires are worse than the same amount of energy in a self igniting petrol container stored in the house as you cannot put out the fire.

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    Robber

    Australian Energy Council warns on electricity market intervention
    So predictable – “increasing need for intervention to safeguard the power grid”
    “AEMO has been forced into increasingly frequent and expensive market interventions, such as leasing diesel back-up generators and ordering expensive gas-fired plants into the market.”
    “The reduction in the strength of the electricity network – most pronounced in South ­Australia – has also spread to southwest NSW, northwest Victoria and north Queensland, adding to wholesale costs incurred by users.”
    The problem: increasing amounts of intermittent solar and wind generators that do no respond to changes in demand.
    The solution: require all intermittent generators to also invest in backup generators and network investments so that they immediately respond to changes in demand.
    And if that makes them uneconomic, then stop incentivising unreliable supplies through “renewable certificates”.

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      Philip

      Id say that’s what they’ll end up doing. Reality will demand it. There will be costs born for generators in the system of energy production somewhere. The consumer will pay for the costs.

      This is why Shell etc are going green mad now. They know people still have to buy energy, doesnt matter how terrible it is, so they gave up on continuing to push for fossil fuels, they just want to be selling bad energy and making a lot of money.

      This is what Alex Epstein has overlooked. I think Alex thought he was going to save the fossil fuel industry for a while with some presentation of rational thinking. But the industry doesnt really want saving, it wants to sell stuff and make money, that’s all.

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    Ian1946

    The fake media certainly is the problem. I speak to people who tell me what they heard on Sunrise OR Today (both lightweight “news” show) on Brisbane FTA TV.

    The talk is on how well solar and wind are working, how bad coal is and how COVID is going to get us all.

    They also show idiots like Comrade Hazzard banging on about the “unvaxxed” and how they threaten anyone who goes near them.

    Is it any wonder most people are confused and scared.

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    a+happy+little+debunker

    The philosophy of climate change is simple really – ‘other people must pay’.

    As usual, the only buggers that will ‘pay the piper’ will be the poor…

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    David Maddison

    If it were not for the double standards of the Left, they would have no standards whatsoever.

    And every picture of Greta Thunberg I’ve ever seen features her wearing an extensive wardrobe of synthetic oil-derived clothing and crossing the Atlantic in high-tech energy-intensive-to-manufacture carbon fibre yachts or driving in Tesla cars. If she must travel at all (which Leftists claim is selfish and planet-destroying) she should at least use a vehicle true to her heritage such as crossing the Atlantic in a Viking long boat or ride around on a horse.

    I have never met a Leftist who wasn’t a hypocrite.

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      clarence.t

      “I have never met a Leftist who wasn’t a hypocrite.”

      That deserves repeating, in bold !!

      “I have never met a Leftist who wasn’t a hypocrite.”

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    David Maddison

    Insect eating is certainly on the agenda of the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation.

    At least for the serfs. The Leftist Elites will continue to enjoy their filet mignon.

    https://www.fao.org/3/i3253e/i3253e00.htm

    “Edible insects- Future prospects for food and feed security”

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    David Maddison

    It is also not true that meat production is bad for the environment. This has been extensively documented and even the UN Marxists admitted their mistake. Although, that doesn’t stop the Left promoting the lie.

    https://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=2539

    The United Nations (UN) has admitted a report linking livestock to global warming exaggerated the impact of eating meat on climate change. A 2006 study, Livestock’s Long Shadow, claimed meat production was responsible for 18 percent of greenhouse gas emissions – more than the transport sector.

    SEE LINK FOR REST

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    Neville

    AGAIN the only data that matters……
    Up to 1800 all Humans were poor and sick and life exp was under 40 years and population just 1 billion.
    By 1970 life exp 56.5 yrs and pop 3.7 billion.
    By 2021 another 4.1 billion people added = 7.8 bn people and life exp now 73 years.
    And yet the Malthusian loonies told us in 1970 that Humans would be starving to death by the 1980s + and even the wealthy countries would be impacted and those idiotic forecasts are still available and I’ve linked to them here.
    So it has taken an incredible 200,000 years for Humans to reach 1 bn and 3.7 bn by 1970, YET in just 50 years we’ve more than doubled the 1970 pop and everyone is healthier and wealthier.
    YET we’ve just endured the delusional Glasgow clown show and none of this is mentioned at all as on and on we go.
    And according to the donkey leader of the free world (????) Humans are facing an imminent EXISTENTIAL THREAT?
    Are we barking mad or not? Beats me.
    OH and our world has been GREENING for at lest 30 years and in part because of the increase of co2 in our atmosphere.See NASA and CSIRO etc.

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    StephenP

    I think I found it on
    http://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/ipsos-mori-issues-index-november-2021
    In the full report section the questions asked seem to be low down in the report, although there is a statement at the bottom that it cannot be reproduced

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    NuThink

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59850093

    The European Commission has proposed plans to label some gas and nuclear power as green, prompting criticism from Germany.

    The reason given for the change in classification is that they can then attract Green Investment!

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      Hanrahan

      As I’ve heard it France wants nuclear, but not gas, declared green. Germany wants the reverse and both for the reason you give.

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    Ruairi

    A recent MORI survey,
    Shows that warmists don’t mean what they say,
    While at skeptics they scoff,
    They love to jet-off,
    And for ‘saving the planet’ won’t pay.

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    David Maddison

    The war against meat and fat consumption to be replaced by carbohydrates and polyunsaturated trans fat “vegetable” oils has and is having a devastating effect on human health, ever since the new dietary recommendations were introduced in the late 1970’s.

    Of course, those of us on keto or low carb diets already know this.

    And so do Big Pharma, for whom the new diets create an endless variety of diseases requiring patented medicines to “cure”.

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    Neville

    So can any of the Malthusian loonies tell us how or why we face their EXISTENTIAL THREAT and please provide us with the real world data and NOT more climate PORN.
    Here AGAIN is the Biden donkey yapping EXISTENTIAL threat a number of times in just 1.5 minutes.
    And apparently we can feel his EXISTENTIAL threat in our bones?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wXe-GanTh0

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    Serge Wright

    The real agenda of the progressive elites is to enforce the travel, vegan, energy usage, house size and other ‘green’ restrictions on everyone else, whilst they get the “free pass” for being morally righteous. This agenda is straight out of the Orwellian playbook.

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      Klem

      When they smile at you and soothingly whisper “you’ll own nothing and youll be happy”, I’m pretty sure the objective is the ‘you’ll own nothing’ part.

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    Simon Thompson

    Gives legs to the theory that is was only ever a delusion of the 15% minority of “Caf Sitters” tertiary twits.

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    another ian

    A relic of a different fashion – humour. Recommended on Chiefio

    https://youtu.be/1vE8ExuuNZQ

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    Kalm Keith

    Fashion has also driven the CV19 drama as well.

    While looking up the new term “mass formation” I came across this;

    “NY Times Editor, Carlos Tejeda died of a heart attack on December 17, less than 24 hours after getting the Moderna booster. He was 49.

    The NY Times story makes no mention of the coincidental timing of the booster”.

    The accepted fashion statement of our times is that we trust the media.

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      Sambar

      But these serious side effects resulting in death are just rare occurrences, don’t be concerned.
      Completely co-incidently my nephews 38 year old very fit wife collapsed 2 hours after her first vaccination and spent 2 days in hospital with undefined heart “issues” that subsided so she was sent home. Wifes best mate, admittedly already the recipient of a pace maker, feels very unwell 4 days after vaccination and rushed to hospital, when the cardiologist asked when she was vaccinated the subject rapidly changed to the need for a pacemaker “update”. As those with pacemakers well know these devices are constantly monitored via nightly downloads to a control centre and any concerns are immediately flagged, the lady is still waiting to be told what was wrong with her pacemaker. Seventy-nine year old mate of mine, very fit, not on any medication, no blood pressure issues, non smoker light drinker, 10 days after second shot has a stroke. His medico said that he couldn’t understand it and of all people he would not of picked my mate as a likely stroke victim.
      All just mere co-incidences I am certain

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        Kalm Keith

        Horrible experiences; what sort of a world are we living in now when there’s obvious pressure on doctors to behave like that.

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        Mantaray Yunupingu

        Anyone not yet convinced that the vaxes are A) Dangerous, and B)intentionally so, has only to see the following…https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/node/55963?context=55953

        This is the Commonwealth Govt “Deceased COVID-19 vaccine recipient payments and funeral costs” payment.

        The OZ govt accepts liability for Covid19 vax-caused deaths etc (rather than the manufacturers being held accountable), and urges everyone to go get vaxed and boosted, boosted, boosted. Anything less is just not right.

        What next? Oz govt covers asbestos producers for damages and simultaneously urges everyone to build exclusively with asbestos?

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    SimonB

    Those surveys aren’t actually designed for public consumption Jo, hence the difficulty actually getting verifiable reference points. Just like bought and paid for global warming ‘surveys’ the answers are cherry picked and disseminated to politicians and bureaucrats by self interested quangos to ensure the gravy train of public funds continues to stop at their stations. It’s very easy in 2022 for the trashmedia to character assassinate the holders of the keys to the Mint, by telling them they must accede to the ‘will of the people’ as seen in this study we’ve made for you! It’s all pervasive now. All hail Pfizer!

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    Neville

    In this 6 minute video Craig Idso shows us the link between co2 increase and global GDP growth and
    the graph clearly shows that we become wealthier and healthier through the use of fossil fuels.
    Big surprise NOT.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyPmvbVO3mM

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      Kalm Keith

      Haven’t watched the video, but the amount of CO2 produced by humans would not be measurable.

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        Kalm Keith

        Sorry, I was interpreting that on the basis of increase in atmospheric CO2 levels.
        He was talking about actual production of CO2, not atmospheric levels.

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    Hanrahan

    Can you still buy offsets when you buy an airline ticket? That was a roaring success, as I recall.

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      another ian

      H

      Are they still waiting for someone to buy some? (/s)

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      Klem

      At virtually every Olympics over the past decade the teams would hang their carbon offset certificates on the wall in the locker room, you’d see it when when reporters interviewed the athletes. Almost like it was hung there as a talisman to scare away eveil spirits.

      Seeing them always makes me laugh.

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    William Astley

    The problem is the survey question is not honest and the main stream news stations are not honest. Basic reality checks of the green plan have not been done. A survey of informed people is different than a survey of people who have been scammed and have been taught the scam in their schools and universities.

    What is different now. Is as the last thread noted the US, EU, UK, and so on are all facing inflation. The EU’s problems are of their own design. There are now plants in Europe who have shutdown because of the EU created natural gas problem. What has been gained from the EU created problems?

    The green plans do not work regardless of the amount of money spent. And implementing the green plans that do not work will make no difference in climate change. The green plans are scams. That can never work.

    People should not be ‘surveyed’ to see if they support a scam. The scam should if our system was honest at an engineering and accounting standpoint have failed. It should have failed at the university level because it is a fantasy plan. Not a real plan.

    Obviously (see Germany) the green plans just make electricity very expensive and kill jobs. Hydrogen production and storage is a white elephant project that can never work because of a multitude of engineering problems with liquifying and storing liquified hydrogen/physics of hydrogen/steel problems and so on.

    And all of the money spent will not change significantly human CO2 emission because China has promised sometime after, the time in which we destroy our economies with the madness. And there is a risk of war with China. Which is a problem as key metals and soon semiconductors will be controlled by China.

    Green Jobs Collapse in Germany and Go to China Instead. What a Surprise!

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/02/09/delingpole-green-jobs-collapse-in-germany-and-go-to-china-instead-what-a-surprise/

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/01/business/germany-inflation-eurozone/index.html

    German inflation hits 29-year high as energy costs spike across Europe

    China generated over half world’s coal-fired power in 2020: study
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-china-coal/china-generated-over-half-worlds-coal-fired-power-in-2020-study-idUSKBN2BK0PZ

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      Graeme No.3

      William;
      the problem as I see it is the bureaucratic desire to “not rock the boat” lest it damage their career prospects.
      It isn’t new; I was (re)reading recently about the R101 airship in the UK. It crashed in France Oct.1930 on her way to India.
      It was built along with the R100 which was known as the private enterprise airship whilst the R101 was under Air Ministry control.
      The R100 was completed first, passed all air safety checks and flew to Canada and back and put into storage. (It had Barnes Wallis and Neville Shute on the design team).
      The problems for the R101 started when someone decided that petrol was flammable and they would use diesel engines. Obviously someone with no idea about aircraft design nor about hydrogen. They didn’t use German aero diesels but heavier marine ones (and had to add a fifth one later). The result was a much heavier airship and reduced lift (even after adding another bay to the frame at considerable expense) and the modified airship didn’t pass any airworthiness trials but was issued with a Certificate hours before leaving (who? it was covered up afterwards).
      There was political pressure for this “prestige” flight. Some not associated with the ship e.g. Neville Shute, had grave doubts pointing out that the lift was only less than half that of the smaller R100. The R101 crashed and burst into flame with most killed a few hours into the flight.

      The craziness in the Air Ministry continues. They issued a spec. for a bomber but prefered the slower biplane with lesser speed and bomb load to the alternative monoplane. Look up the Handley Page Heyford images if you want a laugh.
      Then they ‘stuffed’ the Stirling bomber by arbitrarily reducing the wing span because it had to fit inside existing hangers.
      Then the Manchester(heavy bomber) was supposed to be launched by catapult because the thought of lengthening the runways never came to them. Its service record was abysmal, carrying less than a quarter of the planned bomb load and killing almost as many British airmen as the contemporary Botha. Avro wanted to add 2 more engines and was told NO! but got around that and the Lancaster was acclaimed as “a triumph for British KnowHow”.
      Sorry about the length, but the parallel with Covid treatment is obvious. Keep on doing what was first decided, don’t express any doubts about stupidity and don’t allow alternative ideas (e.g. Ivermectin etc,). No doubt other examplescome to mind.

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    Ian1946

    Slightly O/T but this has been kept very quiet. What is worse is that the States bear no responsibility, the Commonwealth are picking up the tab. Idiots like Health Hazzard can mandate a tenth booster without any ramifications to State coffers.

    https://richardsonpost.com/thomas-lifson/25038/aussie-govt-to-compensate-vaccine-injured-with-taxpayer-funds-of-course/

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      KP

      Well, at least we know that THEY know what to expect from taking the vaccines.

      anaphylactic reaction
      thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome
      myocarditis
      pericarditis
      capillary leak syndrome
      demyelinating disorders including Guillain Barre Syndrome (GBS)
      Thrombocytopenia, including immune Thrombocytopenia, identified as a final diagnosis.

      Harm not covered by the scheme includes:

      COVID-19
      psychological and psychiatric conditions (e.g. shock)
      secondary injuries (e.g. injury suffered when fainting, or a haematoma at the injection site that becomes infected)
      the following other injuries unless they form part of the symptom complex of a clinical condition listed above:
      headache;
      fatigue;
      injection site reaction;
      muscle or joint pain;
      dizziness; diarrhoea;
      pain in extremity;
      fever;
      insomnia;
      nausea;
      vomiting;
      lethargy;
      hyperhidrosis;
      chills;
      decreased appetite;
      malaise;
      lymphadenopathy;
      somnolence;
      abdominal pain;
      puritus;
      urticaria or rash;
      influenza-like illness;
      angioedema;
      anxiety-related reactions such as hyperventilation and fainting.

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        John+R+Smith

        There are only effects…
        ‘side effect’ is a marketing term.
        Viagra is sold for the ‘side effect’ from a drug originally intended to treat angina pectoris.
        A fun, if occasionally hazardous, side effect.
        Call your doctor if the side effect last more than fours hour and your friend is finished.

        I noticed in the list ‘decreased appetite’.
        Why not market vax as a diet drug to reduce ‘hesitancy’, since obesity is a risk factor?
        I am available for consult.
        I also have increased availability due the government’s attempt to save me, which at the moment feels more like killing me.
        Financial ruin just being an unfortunate ‘side effect’ of good governance.
        From ruin we can build back better.
        When does the side effect of happiness from owning nothing kick in?

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      now all you need is to be able to find a doctor who will say you have had an adverse reaction LOL
      good luck with that
      especially when people who are going to the emergency department are being sent home to see their GP about their heart problems after being Jabbed, no observation, treatment or records
      l heard a local ambo on the radio a while back asking the public not to call an ambulance or go to emergency if you have problems after the Jab because in his opinion it was a waste of the ambo’s time and the patients were just clogging up the emergency that should be used for others reasons
      just another scam IMHO, big brother will not look after you

      and some still say it is better to have the Jab and the booster’s than risk covid

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      clarence.t

      Indiana life insurance company notes 40% increase in death rate in 18-64 year olds as well as an “uptick” in disability claims.

      https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html

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    el+gordo

    Its the NH winter, in a La Nina year, why aren’t temperatures falling below the line?

    https://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_December_2021_v6.jpg

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    another ian

    Horse past indeed?

    “I think what this confirms is that it is — and always was — crazy to try to hide from a virus. It’s also pretty crazy to think these vaccines do anything at all. These particular ” vaccines” are right up there with leeches as a medical treatment. People are victims of mass hypnosis. They are so fearful, they can no longer distinguish between truth and fiction.”

    (My bold)

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2022/01/02/wuhan-flu-its-just-trolling-us-now/#comment-1557187

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      PeterS

      The mass hysteria is such that when they are informed of the facts, instead of them engaging with a discussion to realise they have it wrong they go full on defensive and sprout lots if false statements thus making it clear they are not interested in being told the truth. For example, when I stated to one guy that Omicron is not anywhere near as bad as previous variants and it could even be a good thing to promote natural immunity, he went off his rocker and stated that Omicron is responsible for killing many thousands in the US and so COVID-19 vaccination is now more necessary than ever. One can’t even have a normal discussion with such people. They are so deluded it’s not funny but very sad.

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        Vicki

        I think that even the governments & complicit epidemiologists now realise that have unleashed uncontrollable panic. They are back peddling like crazy on testing and isolating.

        Ha! Reap the whirlwind you idiots. The only problem is that those who have insisted on understanding and critiquing the evidence are more despised than ever.

        So be it. “The moving hand writes, and having written, moves on……..and all your tears will not wash out a word of it….”

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    el+gordo

    Clive Best says 2021 was cooler.

    http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=10141

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    Philip

    They most certainly don’t want to fly less. The UK is completely addicted to flying.

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    Les Johnson

    This is the poll here. The questions asked are not clear, but clearer than in that news report.

    https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-11/net-zero-policies-ipsos-mori-cep-october-2021.pdf

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    John Watt

    The current bunch of Oz politicians base their policies on the “opinion” content of this post but ignore the implications of the response to the call to back up the opinion with some consistent action. Confusion reigns…joys of representing the woke.

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    John+R+Smith

    Fashion?
    I suppose Puritanism was a fashion.
    Maybe in the future there will be another holiday like Thanksgiving.
    Instead of big black hats, white collars and big buckles, it would be genderless characters wearing Birkenstocks with purple hair roasting bugs.
    It could be called Net Zero Day.
    Followed by Georgemas.

    I just took a nice walk in snow that children born in the 21st century can’t see.
    The bounty of nature is temptation.

    (Ugh, I searched Birkenstocks for spelling and just realized I will now be deluged with ads for Birkenstocks.)

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    TdeF

    As we start 2022, I wonder what exactly motivates the Climate Change fear? Does anyone really fear rapid sea rises? Are councils still reclassifying sea side real estate as high flood risk and refusing development?

    Does anyone really think bushfires are caused by a tiny alleged 1.5C warming over 150 years, especially when the accurate satellite measured whole of planet temperature is the same in 2021 as in 1980? And why plant trees when Green cover is now 30% more than when satellites first measured Green cover? And the Maldives now has eleven airports for tourists?

    And the real numbers for the polar bear population show growth. So why are people still dressing up as Polar bears? Or dead koala bears?

    Investors and engineers are still rapidly reclaiming land from the ocean across the planet, from the Maldives to Yokahama to Gibraltar and Dubai. So what exactly is the scare of Climate Change previously known as rapid man made Global Warming? Does anyone have a clue what the current scare is?

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    TdeF

    And as I point out, Australia is in the bottom 1/3rd of the planet below the Tropic of Capricorn and shares half the world’s ocean surface with a tiny 2% of the world’s population.

    So Australia should be the manufacturing and agricultural centre for the world if anyone cared about CO2 levels as 98% of all CO2 comes from the other 2/3 of the planet. Whatever is wrong, it’s not our fault. It’s their fault.

    Why are we being crippled with bans on fracking, gas exploration and massive hidden carbon taxes, blowing up power plants and being forced to pay for windmills and solar panels and giant batteries which obviously don’t work when we have plenty of coal? Our electricity prices are still soaring.

    Logically we should be levying carbon taxes on the EU, America and China to pay for the 98% of ‘carbon pollution’ in our part of the world. Except that’s a joke.

    Why are our virtue signalling Australian Federal, State and local governments and big companies and banks trying to shut down or defund coal, mining and manufacturing, coal power generation and now agriculture? We are in the one third part of the planet where they should be subsidized, not taxed.

    The fact is no one actually cares about steadily rising CO2 because no one thinks it matters and besides, there is no evidence that CO2 is man made or that anything we have done has any effect, even shutting all international travel. After 35 years, what was a terrible future of flooding, crop failures, mass extinctions predicted by James Hansen in the US Congress in 1988 is now the nothing burger past. Nothing happened. James, you were completely wrong.

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      Kalm Keith

      It’s been an extraordinary journey into the realm of fantasy.

      Many decades ago there were books that were used to develop “fantasy” because we were living in overwhelming reality and needed a break.

      Now we are completely engulfed in Fantasy and so many people have never been in touch with the physical reality that’s just around the corner when the electricity supply hits reality, and stops their life for a month, or two.

      When this happens, people will be defenceless.

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    TdeF

    How can Joe Biden claim Climate Change is the greatest existential threat to mankind when no one can point to any problem? Joe Biden was only 45 when this world changing disaster was announced. And most of the people on planet Earth were not born. Where is the problem? And why did he immediately shut down the XL pipeline and make the United States dependent on Middle East oil? There must be a reason.

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    another ian

    New fashion coming

    “Bored With The Current China Virus? New One Coming!”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2022/01/03/bored-with-the-current-china-virus-new-one-coming/#comments

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    another ian

    “Viral, A Review”

    “Alina Chan is a molecular biologist specializing in gene therapy and cell engineering at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard. She partnered with the famous science writer, Matt Ridley, to write Viral, the Search for the Origin of COVID-19. The book was published November 16, 2021, and the combination of Dr. Chan’s expertise and Dr. Ridley’s impeccable writing skills make the book read like an Agatha Christie whodunnit. It is fascinating, educational, and an entertaining read. Well worth your time. This review is based on the Kindle version.”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/01/03/viral-a-review/

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    Neville

    What a pity that we didn’t have a Prof Julian Simon to challenge Hansen’s + OTHERs crazy claims AFTER 1990.

    Here’s the WIKI story about the Simon challenge to Ehrlich in 1980. Of course Simon won the bet and STILL Ehrlich made all sorts of excuses about why he lost. And any number of his loony followers still BELIEVE him to this day. Unbelievable but true. Here’s the link and a short transcript summary.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon%E2%80%93Ehrlich_wager
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    “The Simon–Ehrlich wager was a 1980 scientific wager between business professor Julian L. Simon and biologist Paul Ehrlich, betting on a mutually agreed-upon measure of resource scarcity over the decade leading up to 1990. The widely-followed contest originated in the pages of Social Science Quarterly, where Simon challenged Ehrlich to put his money where his mouth was. In response to Ehrlich’s published claim that “If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000” Simon offered to take that bet, or, more realistically, “to stake US$10,000 … on my belief that the cost of non-government-controlled raw materials (including grain and oil) will not rise in the long run.”

    }Simon challenged Ehrlich to choose any raw material he wanted and a date more than a year away, and he would wager on the inflation-adjusted prices decreasing as opposed to increasing. Ehrlich chose copper, chromium, nickel, tin, and tungsten. The bet was formalized on September 29, 1980, with September 29, 1990, as the payoff date. Ehrlich lost the bet, as all five commodities that were bet on declined in price from 1980 through 1990, the wager period”[1]

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    Neville

    Above is the win to Prof Simon over dopey Ehrlich, but just imagine if another person did challenge Ehrlich then Hansen, Gore etc after 1980 or 1990?
    And what if that person insisted that the 2021 Human life expectancy would increase by 16.5 years, GDP would soar and our global population would’ve more than doubled as well?
    This person would’ve been ridiculed and locked up in the nearest loony bin, but they would’ve been correct.
    Of course they would’ve also been hated with a vengeance by the mad lefty religious fanatics because this is about their delusional cult and NOT about DATA or EVIDENCE.

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    another ian

    Tripping the “light sarcastic”

    “Good News, Joe Biden Announced He Just Discovered Grocery Inflation Might Be a Problem
    January 3, 2022 | Sundance | 67 Comments

    Comrades, the White House occupant announced today that someone told his wife’s sister about grocery store inflation. The surprising incident happened when a guest made the comment while visiting over the holidays.”

    More at

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/01/03/good-news-joe-biden-announced-he-just-discovered-grocery-inflation-might-be-a-problem/

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    another ian

    “Megyn Kelly on the COVID Truth That’s Starting to Come Out Now | The Megyn Kelly Show – YouTube”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C62-RdooPc

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    another ian

    And evolving fashion

    “New York Science Teacher Vaccinates Son’s Friend, Without Parents’ Consent, During Visit to Her House
    January 4, 2022 | Sundance | 43 Comments”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/01/04/new-york-science-teacher-vaccinates-sons-friend-without-parents-consent-during-visit-to-her-house/

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    another ian

    More reading

    “Did banned mRNA vax inventor Robert W. Malone M.D. just break the Google algorithm?”

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/01/did_banned_mrna_vax_inventor_robert_w_malone_md_just_break_the_google_algorithm.html

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