by Jo Nova
Australia is too poor to use air-conditioning and dishwashers on a warm day
Welcome to Bananaustralia.
The Premier of NSW issued death threats about electricity bills to get attention:
“If you use electricity this afternoon, you’re going to get killed in terms of how much you pay, the amount of money (to run appliances) this afternoon will be through the roof,” he said.
The NSW Minister, Penny Sharpe told eight million people to avoid using the dishwashers and pool pumps between 3 and 8pm, close the doors and blinds, and turn the air conditioner up to a higher temperature. “Stay hydrated and avoid going outside in the hotter parts of the day where possible” she said, like she was talking to four year olds.
All around New South Wales and in Canberra people spent the day wandering around turning off lights and appliances, and rearranging their plans. Public servants were asked to pull the blinds and turn off appliances at work. The four water utilities, the dams, and water management, were also asked to help. And the Reliability and Emergency Reserve Trader (RERT) condition was instigated, which means some businesses were paid to stop using as much electricity. Presumably, Tomago smelter had to go on an electron-diet — since it uses 10% of the entire state’s electricity. But who needs aluminium right?
So most of the state tried to do something useful in the dim light, so they could pay the rest of the state to do nothing.
But it’s OK, because you could do whatever you wanted up until 3pm:
Energy should be used as normal prior to 3pm when rooftop solar panels are powering much of the state. During the peak from 3pm to 8pm, every small step to reduce demand makes a difference.
You can take your productivity and stir-fry it.
The human brain is the most complex known thing in the universe, and this week millions of those biological powerhouses were distracted from whatever they do best by the complexity of living in a world of Green witchcraft trying to make the weather perfect next century. The productivity loss might have been modest this time, but the long term trend is a slow motion trainwreck. The more weather dependent generators we have, the more time we waste thinking about electricity. Should we cook dinner for 10pm? The kids will be hungry.
Killer electricity prices came anyway — $17,500 a MWh for a whole hour
All the effort stopped the blackouts, but they didn’t stop the bank raid. Wholesale electricity prices hit the price cap Tuesday and Wednesday.
Despite all the solar power Australians are swimming in, the bonfire started at 2.30pm and lasted a full sizzling hour. Even though many prices in the wholesale market are hedged, that square wave on an 11 gigawatt grid is a $200 million dollar price signal. The people writing those futures contracts for next year got the message they will have to raise their forward contracts. The price spikes we see today turn up in our electricity bills sometime down the track.
Say what? You were surprised by 38 degrees in Sydney in November?
Summer came early, say all the people looking for something to blame. On Wednesday the temperature reached 38°C at Sydney airport. Barely five years ago in 2019 there were nine days that November above 30°C. Thirty percent of the whole month was above 30.
It hit 40°C at Sydney airport on November in 2006. There were six days that month over 30C. Somehow, with barely any renewables and no batteries at all, the lights stayed on thanks to coal power. Paul McArdle noted at the time that during the 40°C heat, the whole national grid used 29GW of electricity but there was 6GW of surplus power in reserve and ready to go. When electricity was cheap, and no one had to hide behind the blinds or cook dinner after 9pm, the coal fired grid had a 21% reserve plant margin.
If renewables fail we should do more renewables:
Experts divided on state’s energy woes following blackout fears
By Alex Dimitriadi and Robert White, The Australian
Mr Bowen blamed volatility in the electricity grid on coal-fired power stations, saying on Thursday that they were its “biggest threat”, spruiking a second-term Labor government’s plan to prioritise renewables and underpinned by gas.
“The least reliable part of our energy grid is coal-fired power,” he said. “There hasn’t been a day in the last 18 months when we haven’t had a breakdown in a coal-fired power station.
Someone needs to tell our Minister of Energy that there hasn’t been a day in the last 18 months when solar didn’t fail.
There was not a single day we could make the wind blow at 6pm on command like we do every day for gas.
There was not a single day when retail electricity prices were cheap.
“What the Australian Energy Market Operator told me was that batteries were essential for getting NSW through yesterday.”
What the AEMO should have shown you was this graph done by one man (why can’t the AEMO draw graphs as useful as Andrew Miskelly?).
Where are the batteries? Not visible. What kept the lights on: black coal, brown coal, and when solar failed as the clouds came over, natural gas arrived to save the day.
Seems people at the AEMO were sweating bullets this week, because they are rushing to sign new reserve contracts.
Energy operator expected to seal long-term reserves in bid to prevent more blackout warnings
The Australian Energy Market Operator is expected to imminently agree to new reserve contracts that once agreed will allow the agency extra capacity ahead of a critical summer period.
The contracts, which could be signed within days, come as authorities brace for a summer when demand for electricity will spike, and the industry remains anxious after a precarious day in NSW on Wednesday when the grid struggled to meet demand.
— Colin Packham, The Australian
Why didn’t they see this coming?
Everything you need to know about politics and economics:
– Prosperity and individual independence bad.
– Dependent impoverishment good.
The rest is obscurantism.
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It’s not even summer yet. Talk about how to overcomplicate a once simple, extremely reliable system. Can’t wait for Victoria’s turn at the great electricity roulette wheel because the whole electric grid appears to be now a gamble.
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Every time I’ve looked at the AEMO dashboard it has been obvious that NSW rarely generates as much power as it consumes , relying on the extension cords into QLD and Victoriastan for the shortfall . Liddell might be handy about now .
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That was highlighted at the time Liddell closed but the never listened
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Blame Matt Kean.
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Yes , I’ve noticed that too . Not only that but the price is usually higher in NSW as well . I can never see a logical reason for that . Quite often we do actually have the capacity to fully meet our own load but someone makes the decision to turn down the wick on the coal generators and not use the gas or hydro that is sitting there available in NSW . At the same time coal generators in the other states are churning out the goods even though they have a surplus ? Seems we are usually importing power from Qld and Vic and exporting money to Qld and Vic . Maybe a coincidence that both Qld and Vic are bankrupt , someone is gaming the system to transfer wealth from NSW to Vic and Qld ? Or am I just a conspiracy theorist ?
To see what is running :
http://nemlog.com.au/gen/region/nsw/
Go down the page to the table to see what is on line .
Type 3 is coal , type 11 is gas , type 8 is hydro .
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They can get stuffed. I’m not turning off s***.
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If you want reliable;e, controlled cost electricity then make your own.
Blackout Bowen’s energy strategy is rapidly creating a South African style electricity grid to Australia.
https://theconversation.com/south-africas-power-crisis-going-off-the-grid-works-for-the-wealthy-but-could-deepen-injustice-for-the-poor-200288
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One has to wonder just how far down – temp up – the air conditioners in the NSW & Australian parliaments were adjusted.
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Surely all that hand-waving by Lydia the Ejected would’ve cooled things down? Except her efforts would be nett zero once she started yelling and foot-stomping, raising the level of carbon pollution to never-before-seen toxic levels.
Doesn’t your parliament have a day care centre for unruly ill-tempered children?
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Nah. Mate, it was just her culturally appropriated interpretation of your Haka.
The the nanny state creche managers just love it. Throat slitter.
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I remember the article here about why Liddell Power Station was worth more to AGL Limited if they shut it down and today I read in The Australian newspaper
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Vales Point. The electricity generator is located on the NSW Central Coast, with installed capacity of around 1,320 megawatts.Part of Vales Point’s coal supply is co-fired with biomass to replace a proportion of coal with a renewable fuel.
If Vales Point goes then we would really be in the poo.
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It will go. It will all go. These people are insane. And there’s no shortage of them
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Lets do STRESS testing on the grid.Open the switches on the QLD–NSW interconnector and see how NSW and others get by on RENEWABLES.
QLD HAS ANNOUNCED $1 BILLION to keep our gas and coal fired stations in good operating condition.
Maybe we will see QLD telling australian business ” come to QLD we have the cheapest electricity in Australia.
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I would like to see how long Sarf’ Australia would go without the electrical cord from Sictoria being in place.
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And how Victoria would fare without the Bass Strait link to the Tassie hydro power? Didn’t that cause a bit of an issue a few years ago when the cable had trouble? Or when there was a drought in Tassie?
The entire thing is such a mess.
Is it really possible to create such a mess by accident or through ignorance?
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Dutton Plan
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Didn’t mention any plan though. There is none. Nuclear in 25 years time.
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If ablutions don’t appear to work, more blood lettings are called for. Welcome to the Dark Ages.
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Coal has been an absolute disaster. 12 coal fired power stations have failed completely in the last decade or so and have failed to re-start. There was a major design fault common to all of them – they had no protection from explosives. When our governments blew them up, they failed. Yes, coal really has let us down.
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Great comment, just the right ammount of sarcasm
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King Coal helped to kick off the Industrial Revolution and we are all the better for it.
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Expect no changes until we get blackouts. And boy will we get the politicians attention then!
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There’s only one good thing coming from this: the general public is finally seeing all the lies exposed.
It is becoming crystal clear that Bowen’s mantras are based on his faith in Joseph Goebbels’ principle:
The BIG LIE by Joseph Goebbels
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
http://proctors.com.au/mrhomepage.nsf/0d6f50f1d7b71ca7482582240033242e/4d1359098409497748258337002d599d!OpenDocument
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I think it will take some time, People are dopey and apathetic and will believe the nonsense of dirty unreliable coal. Everyone thinks they will save the planet with solar and wind. I hear this all the time.
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Yep. It’s going to get really bad. The stupidity I see and hear is astounding.
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The younger members of my extended family. Still beleive that SOMEHOW, wind and solar will become more efficent, and that will solve the problem.
They are just starting to get married and setup their own homes, so reality is barreling down on them.
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I find it hard to contemplate how far this country has fallen since the late 70’s.
Unfortunately Dutton refuses to take that last step on many issues such as energy and climate. If you truly believe in your policies you don’t need to “read the script” as he does in Parliament.
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I believe Australia improve up to the end of last century.
The economic situation is really reflected in the cost of electricity.
https://www.energymatters.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/electricity-price-rises.png
It was Hawk/Keating era changes that improved industrial productivity and then the premiers, notably Kennett, privatised the state run electricity monopolies. It was all going well until Howard introduced the RET (renewable energy theft) scheme.
Since the early 00s, productivity in Australia has been sliding but the impact has been dulled by China’s dramatic improvement in productivity. Australia has fared better than most through supplying basic commodities in large volume to China in return for their manufactured goods.
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Having been through this already in Victoria (January 2019), this is the Labor governments playbook. Whatsherface Sharpe has probably already rung the Victorian Energy nincompoop (Lily d Ambrosio) for some guidelines. Lily would have advised her to totally demonise coal. Portray coal as being evil, totally unreliable and old fashioned. Ridicule it until the cows come home. The media and the people dont know otherwise. They’ve never heard of High Efficiency Coal or the fact the most Asian nations are using the latest tech in their coal burners. Plus, of course , coal is the great demon climate change baddie. There’s that. The NSW government will trot out all the usual talking points based on BS and give the perception they’re the truth tellers, it will be like COVID all over again.
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Go long on candles, firewood and non-perishable foodstuffs. (See also: water purification / storage. and “long-life pharmaceuticals / medical supplies.))
How to best keep such thing out of the hands of officials (and “freelancers” hunting down “hoarders is up to your conscience.
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Happy Friday to you all………………….The Real Cost of Net Zero………….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
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Thanks, Johnny. Watched Ulhmanns documentary and I have to say several things – he obviously did not illuminate the lives of anybody on this particular blog on this particular subject. I think he is a lukewarmer, along with almost all of the interviewees. They all BELIEVE.
He missed a golden opportunity to expose the scam by pointing out several important aspects; Running two grids can never be cheaper or more efficient than running one, that is, if we allow nuclear power, there is no longer any requirement for ‘firming’, ‘backup’, from any other source, especially unreliable wind and solar.
Secondly, he failed to mention that compared to nuclear power plants, which in the doco were described as a perhaps 100 year lifetime solution, ALL the unreliable grid will need to be rebuilt over and over, every 25 years at best.
Thirdly, the obvious, to those here, point is that there is NO point in attempting a carbon dioxide reduction – as it is not a problem in the first place.
Although these vitally important points were not addressed, there was a lot of useful information for those deprived of such by their addiction to mainstream media. Unfortunately, those poor souls will never watch this program as it is too painful for them to admit their gullibility.
Just my thoughts – mind ‘ow ye go.
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Presumably these electricity shortages have happened after the few remaining industrial users have been load shed and paid a lot of taxpayer money to turn off their loads (e.g. aluminium smelters).
I think it’s good news. It might cause the Sheeple to wake up.
Unfortunately the alternative NSW State and Federal government, the fake conservative Liberal Party are still true believers in the anthropogenic global warming fraud and are also responsible for most of the “renewables” madness we now have.
Australia would suffer regular blackouts if it were not for the fact that large industrial users are forced to turn off at great expense to the taxpayer when the wind and sun stop shining.
We get regular load shedding, just like here in Nepal, but it is invisible to most users, therefore people don’t think Australia has many characteristics of a Third World country.
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How are you writing so much on 300bps? Or is Nepal using Elon Musk’s satellites?
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I have been writing when I stop walking and have morning and afternoon tea breaks, lunch or stay overnight at a guest house. About half the guest houses have Intermittent workable WiFi that often works slowly but is OK for text. For those that have internet-connected WiFi, the connection stops operating at about 9pm when the owners either turn it off to save electricity or the solar power goes flat or there is load shedding (if grid electricity is available) or the solar-powered cell phone towers go flat.
I am now back in Kathmandu and staying in a good hotel in Thamel, Kathmandu. It appears to have 24/7 electricity and hot water which is highly unusual. It either has its own generator or batteries or the Government makes sure the tourists have electricity 24/7 in tourist hotspots like the Thamel area.
Elon is trying to establish Starlink and it’s subject to talks. Things happen slowly, if at all, here. It has been unavailable because the Government requires any foreign venture to have 20% local equity.
On the trail, electricity and internet are so unreliable that you have to use them when and if they become available so you make sure to charge your devices and use the internet the moment they work (if they do).
There is no low cost roaming arrangement between any Australian carrier and any Nepali carrier so no $5 or $10 per day roaming for calls and data. I didn’t buy a local SIM card but I might next time.
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By the time you get back from Nepal, Australia will be the same.
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I give you a turkey who should be roasted immediately before Christmas. Bonehead Blackout Bowen.
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I find it hilarious that overnight there are so many buildings with the lights on in the Sydney CBD and there is no one in them.
The NSW State Parliament Building has the lights on as well. And it still has a tin roof with no insulation from the daytime heat. Do they turn down the Air Conditioning when all those ‘Pollies’ are all letting out hot air and the heat comes down through the roof?
NO. And I will not until they build HELE Coal Fired Power Stations and to once more provide affordable, reliable electricity.
All that Bonehead Blackout Bowen is doing is giving us ELECTRICKERY…………………
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JR. Sub critical coal fired power plants is what we need as there is no climate problem and therefore no need to reduce CO2 emissions!
John
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We are in a new world where the extreme left politicians simply deny reality. They openly lie. With a smile and sincerely, even passionately.
According to the US democrats, the border is fine. Harris/Biden/Walz all say so.
According to Starmer, the riots against uncontrolled mass migration was hate speech. And needs disinformation/misinformation laws and police prosecution to stop dangerou free speech.
And in Australia, there is no problem at all. Labor is fixing everything. The Voice is going ahead as fast as possible, despite overwhelming rejection by the entire country.
“Anthony Albanese spruiked Labor’s success in ‘delivering our agenda’ and said his government was on track to make a difference on
a) cost of living,
b) housing,
and
c) productivity.”
from what I can see, that is the exact reverse of the truth.
And it’s entirely their fault and explicit intention, to wreck the joint. On orders of China who believe and ‘free and fair’ trade, as long as we stop making things and do not defend ourselves and ask no questions about the Wuhan Flu. You just have to love the happy faces on Xi, Albanese and Starmer. Happy. Happy. Communists.
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Guv’ment Misinformation and Disinformation is alive and well.
Now, are you better off now than you were in May 2022? Upgrade Albo and all the other Marxists are. But you, the humble voter. Are You?
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And the CO2 tax has just begun to bite and manufacturing companies are closing, like Australia’s largest plastics manufacturer with 800 jobs last year. And that is just the first 5% of the 35%. All borderline companies will close. Or pass on the costs to consumers, a massive government ordered cost buried in your rocketing consumer prices. Government ordered theft and inflation!
Can you imagine the full effect of the new 35% tax on fuel for aviation? All airlines.
Or the 35% ripoff cost for fuel on all transport? Trucks for food, buses, the Trans Tasman Ferry is an explicit victim being among the ‘biggest polluters’.
Even sewage and burial are subject to this appalling money grab. So eat less and don’t die. You can’t afford it.
And the papers say nothing. Plus likely the money goes to China and their friends. To grow trees? Australian Carbon Certificates.
The rape of Australia by President Xi’s Labor is in full swing.
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Of course everyone knows about the insidious 2011 Australian Carbon Credits scheme
COP and the Bankers are budgeting world wide for hundreds of billions of dollars. To save the planet of course.
You must know all about this. It’s all law in Australia.
Meanwhile all governments since Howard in 2001 are saying “there will be no Carbon Tax in a government I lead”. Except this isn’t a tax, which governments can raise and for which they are accountable, it’s legislated and illegal mandated and enforce Government theft! For which government is NOT accountable.
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Labor is making a difference.
Cost of living is up.
Housing is unavailable.
Productivity is down.
Expecting improvements in these areas is unfair to our sleazebag politicians.
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But it’s all so calculated, deliberate and even hidden. Sleazebag means they are getting something back, not us.
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The only promise that Upgrade Albo has kept is the one about transparency,
LOL. We can all see right through him………………..
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No difference … as compared with every other Labor government.
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They did see it coming. But they spent all the time between seeing it and it happening, drawing up a list of people to blame.
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It’s intentional. And as with former Federal Treasurer Wayne Swann and his own scandal, he is ‘truly sorry’. They’re all very sorry as they count your millions flowing into their bank accounts.
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Of course they saw it coming, they implemented it per WEF instructions.
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Will the last one leaving the building please switch off the lights.
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No need to. The lights are already out!
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Over this! This is ENRON all over again. Create scarcity and ream the market. Quickest way to reliability is to force all renewables to bid 30 minutes into the future and guarantee that supply. I can guarantee the ENTIRE renewable network will meltdown and then shut down for good until THEY pay for their own “firming”. Works in the NT so why not through the east coast grid. Its not too late to go back to a stable hydrocarbon fueled baseload. Plan now for replacement by Nuclear Power.
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Australia has been a Third World country masquerading as First world for some time now. Just look at the state of our roads, medical and education systems along with the electricity grid.
Third World services, First World taxes.
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Have a look at our supermarkets – they are third world. One travels the world and finds supply and availability of consumer items far superior to Australia’s. Our major supermarkets have empty shelves, a lack of variety and fresh produce in poor state. I’ve given up on returning fruit and vegetables at the end of their shelf life. I went to visit friends in Rostov, Russia Two years ago and was astounded at the availability on offer from retailers. Australia, I’m sad to say is in the doldrums.
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Unfortunately, we are all far too enamoured with the US to truly be Third World (using the meaning in the traditional sense, meaning non-aligned with either the US or USSR during the Cold War). The Third World would be a great place to be right now. But we would rather become a US military base / missile test site before we would give up on that alliance.
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At 1pm Wednesday the 28th, NSW demand was 11549 mw, but undispatchable unreliables only provided 5547 mw, in spite of all the urging and cajoling.
Third world, here we come.
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It is really easy to blame coal for blackouts. Being a true baseload power source it is not quick to power up the generators – so there is that intervening period when they are either ticking over or cold. Then if you own and operate coal fired power stations you would be mad to spend money on maintenance as you are going to be forcibly switched off or blown up (AKA Hazelwood). So they break down due to lack of maintenance – there you are – I told you coal was unable to be reliable – then of course they are the source of the “trains of death” spewing deadly “carbon” everywhere as you transport it to the coast for export to where China will continue to burn it without hindrance until 2060! Meanwhile all our industry dies and eventually China will invade and there is nothing we will be able to do to stop it as we have no subs, no tanks, no drones, and no army to speak of. And who would be the modern day Quislings that would welcome them in? try Albo, Dan, Bowen etc
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That, umm, ‘information’ that coal fired power cannot just ramp up and down in short time frames is pretty much untrue.
True, it may take time to ramp up to maximum after being completely turned off, say, after a period of maintenance, but coal fired power, either individual Units, Plants, or all coal fired power in its totality ramps up and down twice on a daily basis, and here I’m not saying small amounts, but by anything up to thousands of MegaWatts at a time.
Take a look at the image at this link. Now here, for the whole year of 2021, I collected data for every source of power, as well as all the totals for the daily minimum, the Peak Load, and also a number of other things all related to power generation as well.
Now having done that, what I then had to do was to find ….. just ONE DAY during that whole year, where every one of those indicators I collected was closest to the actual figures on that day, and that day was the indicated day across the top of this image, 7th September2021.
So the image was taken from Andrew Miskelly’s Aneroid site, and I wrote a huge long Post with images showing what Australian Average power looked like, especially at that minimum (4AM) and Peak Power (6PM) times of day.
Okay, part of that data collection and then showing the images included coal fired power and that is the image I linked to above, and below is the text I used for that day to explainthe ramping up and down of coal fired power.
There are only 16 coal fired power plants here in Australia, spread across the three largest States, and at those 16 Plants, there are (currently) 46 separate Units, and they have a total Nameplate of 23,000MW, and on this day, of those 46 Units in total, 8 of them were off line, and that reduced the available total power that could be generated from coal fired power down to 19500MW. As I mentioned coal fired power is and has always been far and away the largest contributor to the grid, and as you can see from the time indicator those operational Units were delivering 17,000MW, and at that Peak time, that was 63% of all the generated power from every source, and they were delivering that power at an (operational) Capacity Factor of 87.2%. However, the specific reason I have shown this image of coal fired power is this. See how coal fired power also exactly follows the Load, in other words, it ramps up and down accordingly across the day. How many times have you heard that coal fired power is pretty much useless because it cannot ramp up and down. Well, this proves that myth totally wrong. You can see that it slowly ramps down to the low point for the day at 4AM, then ramps up for the morning Peak, then back down for the mid afternoon low, and then back up again to is highest for the day at that evening Peak, and then back down again. You can see that the low point is around 10.30AM, and the high point is at 6.35PM. In that time, coal fired power has ramped up by almost 7,000MW. Coal fired power does not need to ramp up any faster than this, and this proves once and for all that coal fired power is quite capable of ramping on the needs basis that is required.
Coal fired power can and does ramp up and down every single day.
Tony.
PostScript – I only wrote that long Post to show just two images, but to do that I had to very carefully explain how I did just that. Those two images were for the Base Load time of day at 4AM, and for the Peak Power consumption time at 6.35PM. And at those two most important times of day, note specifically how tiny the amount is being delivered by those four renewables. What’s the point of having huge solar power in the middle of the day when real power is required at that Peak Power time at 6.35PM, and that has been the same time forever, and will remain the same for every day forever as well.
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So, the true and proper measure is to have ALL generators of ANY stripe, BID into the 6.35 PM load.
“If you can’t meet the Peak, then you’re not worth having”.
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Just a point on power ramping, it takes time to ramp up when renewables shut down without warning and that is if they are already online and running.
Gas is fast but coal takes more time and what do consumers do during the time delay?
The solution is as Germany has to do is run the coal fired power 24/7.
Yes, at low level but they are still burning coal (which is not used to produce power) so they can switch over as fast as possible.
Note:
Operating a coal fired power station on standby costs money and produces carbon and this dirty power which is NOT used is not counted when calculating the true cost of renewables.
Another point is Ireland which has potentially 100% capability using wind power generation, but it is not always available when they need it and as a result has problem with Grid stability which is a very serious issue so needs continuity of power supply from other sources.
😱🔥💰
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What is the ramp rate of solar after 1800 hrs? What is the ramp rate of wind when the wind speed is zero?
The ramping rate of coal plants is on the order of 1% capacity per minute. See https://powerline.net.in/2019/07/01/reality-check/
OCGT and CCGT can backstop coal or nuclear ramp rates. Wind and solar cannot backstop coal, gas, or nuclear hot-idle or spinning reserve.
Essentially, wind and solar are parasitic generators that require all other generators to deprecate their capacity in political preference to wind and solar. No sane person would agree to that.
Wind and solar generators are SOLELY a political construct at grid scale. They have Zero relationship to grid stability. Because they are, by definition, intermittent/non-dispatchable/unreliable generators.
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Wind should only be allowed to sell power if it is needed. Not the other way around.
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Graham mentions this: (and my bolding here)
Over many years now, I have watched this and detailed it often at my home site. When there is a largish failure of any sort on the grid, the ‘first responders’ are always the hydro plants, and here that is, in nine cases out of ten, always the Units at (the Pumped Hydro) Tumut Three and the large Murray hydro Units. They ramp up from zero to maximum power delivery while the ‘panicked’ AEMO Engineer is still on the phone asking for help. They come on line delivering full power in a minute or so.
This then gives time for the next phone call to the OCGT gas fired plants, the next speediest responders, usually at full power in around ten minutes. Then other plants also kick in as well, and more often than not, that large scale ‘failure’ is ‘covered’ so quickly, the public NEVER EVEN KNOWS what happened in the first place, that failure.
Here’s one I prepared earlier, back in August 2022, and this in fact shows a large scale failure of both wind and solar only. You can see the failure, the hydro Units coming on line, the gas plants coming in, and hey, what a surprise, coal fired power ramped up quickly to deliver an extra 600MW in ten minutes as well. Huh! Who would have thought, eh!
At the same time, Engineers are also ‘flicking the switches’ on all the Interconnectors, so while these Hydro Units are all around ‘The Snowy’, then interstate power sharing also helps cover any failures.
That’s what happens in the interim. Once all the traditional units are covering the failure, those first responders the Hydro Units just shut back down, sometimes not even on line for an hour.
All this comes from sixteen years of watching it all now.
The general public don’t even know what’s going on, it all happens so smoothly.
Tony.
PostScript – Well said Lance, well said.
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Well Tony – I wasnt trying to analyse the totality of our power supplies like you have just done – It was simply about the difficulty of ramping up to full output from coal fired powerstations. I watched the guys taking orders at Hazelwood just before it was sold by Kennet, and it is a tricky balancing operation. In those days – they were running 24/7 but varied the output to balance with the orders that came in. I agree the more units available – the easier it becomes – but we will certainly notice when they are all gone as the modern day Luddites want to do.
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Thanks Tony for clearing up that little Murphy . .
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I listened to Leith Van Onselen saying Australia should be the richest country in the world, if we charged for our resources like Quatar and Norway instead of almost giving them away, we have everything the world needs apart from crude oil.
The LNG deal is a shining example that our leaders don’t have a clue what they are doing.
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Hopefully Australia’s transition to third world status will be halted early 2025 by the fall of the Socialist Albanese government. Assuming the Coalition wins comfortably in the 2025 Federal election what are they going to do with the already installed and partly installed wind towers, parallel power grid, solar farms and battery farms? Nuclear will be able to use the original grid fed by existing coal and gas-fired generator sites which means that the Socialist Albanese government’s boondoggle renewables plant and existing infrastructure will be a useless money gobbling eyesore on sea and land. Some of this waste will be recyclable but much of it will gobble up yet more money in disposing of this intractable waste.
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Do you believe that Dutton will actually do anything meaningful about nuclear? Looking at his smug satisfaction with the Under 16 Ban passing yesterday, I find it impossible to believe he will kick net zero into touch and will instead continue with the LNP mistakes of past years.
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Surely some legal action can be taken against those politicians and public serpents who promote the obvious lie that wind and solar are the cheapest possible form of electricity production?
It’s obviously untrue because the more wind and solar we get the more expensive electricity becomes. Australia used to have among the world’s cheapest electricity, now it’s among the most expensive.
No wonder they exempted themselves from the censorship/misinformation bill.
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The question could surely be argued.
They all know it’s a scam. So if I was the judge nobody is entitled to compensation.
However some might go to war over it.
Standing as proof of the scam is the fact that negotiations have been engaged for ensuring that coal fired stations once closed will never reopen.
Anybody who invested without knowing that did not undertake “due diligence”.
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I get angry when Bowen blames the unreliable coal plants. Reality is that there has been no incentive to invest in either new coal fired generators or even in maintaining what we have for the last 20 years. Remove the subsidies for wind and solar and coal would be able to be reliable.
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Coal is ALWAYS reliable generators, if normal maintenance is done and their capacity isn’t limited by preferential treatment of wind and solar.
Wind and Solar are NEVER reliable generators even IF all normal maintenance is done. Because they are not Dispatchable.
AU needs education on what Actually powers a grid (Dispatchable generators) and what encumbers the grid ( non dispatchable generators).
The turning point is when AU realizes that imagination is no substitute for reality.
Why would anyone pay more for something that is not reliable, instead of paying less for something that is reliable, based solely upon political fantasies?
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I would have thought there would be performance requirements in the electricity supply contracts for operators. Especially the coal plants given they are base load and dependable. Which should be an incentive to maintain them. The operators would know that although the govt has set net zero targets, the targets are unrealistic and the coal plants will be needed for some time. But maybe our governments are no good at doing contracts or overseeing a supply grid. This hasn’t just snuck up on govt and regulators in the last 5 mins.
Aiden Morrison (Centre of Independent Studies) was a guest on Credlin last night and said “it’s a bit of myth” that the coal plants are “clunkers” and unreliable.
That particular comment starts at 3:15 into the video. The whole segment is 6 mins.
https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/peta-credlin/expert-warns-australias-worsening-energy-crisis-leading-to-living-standards-falling/video/ea79a053d4e661906bcb42b3efea003d
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I can see no obvious low-harm exit strategy from Australia’s wind and solar madness.
Few other countries are so fanatically committed to it.
If we exit:
1) huge compensation will be payable to the subsidy harvesters.
2) the government told retirement (superannuation) funds that wind and solar was “the future” and encouraged them to invest in them. Obviously the funds didn’t do due diligence to discover that the only purpose of wind and solar is to harvest subsidies and they had no long-term viability. If we exit retirees will suffer.
3) If we don’t exit the economy will become totally destroyed. Australia will still do nothing even as the United States under TRUMP starts to become prosperous again under TRUMP’s pro-energy policies
4) No politician or senior public serpents will admit to their lies and errors, like with covid they will say “we will following best available advice”. But that itself is a lie. All the information about the uselessness of wind and solar have been available for decades and on this blog.
The Government, the senior public serpents and the selfish subsidy harvesters have destroyed the country. We have no TRUMP. The damage done to Australia is so severe that there is no way out and Australia will be relegated to Second World status, kept afloat only by sales of minerals (including coal, gas and uranium which we are not allowed to use ourselves).
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Suggest that “All Government Salaries, Pensions, and Benefits, are inversely bound to the cost of consumer electricity, on the range of 1 to Zero , divided by (1 + Inflation rate pct)”.
That ought to do it.
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Excellent idea Lance.
Next time a politician or senior public serpent says how “cheap” wind and solar is, tell them that.
They will have to either go along with the lie and lose money, or tell the truth and abandon W&S.
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David, see #28.1
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#29.1
The posts seem to be moving around.
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If you got rid of Super (made it voluntary) at the same time, this would solve the future pension problems.
Government should not be making energy policy decisions based on where the Super funds have invested – it should work the other way around. This situation illustrates the farce that is Super.
The pensioners are going to suffer if they can’t afford their electric bills.
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I am starting to think state and federal politicians are on the take from the renewable grifters and carpetbaggers.
That, or they have a stake in renewables themselves.
These could be the only reasons, surely, that governments are making themselves deeply unpopular with their energy policies.
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The lies and BS are even more extreme than you think.
Even McKinsey tells us wealthy OECD countries must waste 9.2 trillion $ every year, but of course have zero change because the developing NON OECD countries will continue to increase co2 emissions for decades.
That means that Aussies must waste about 98 billion $ every YEAR until 2050 and again for SFA change.
Here’s the link to the Mc Kinsey report and the global cost of about 275.0 trillion $ by 2050 and definitely NOT NET ZERO.
Why don’t people understand these very simple sums?
https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/sustainable-inclusive-growth/charts/the-cost-will-not-be-net-zero
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Because the Left deliberately dumbed-down the education system.
Very few people under about 50 or so would possess the requisite critical thinking skills to understand even basic concepts nor would they have much general knowledge.
Children today can’t do basic arithmetic but they will tell you that the planet is dying and also how there are 72 (or whatever) “genders”.
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Imagine you wanted to change Australia to a third world country, like Venezuela or Argentina. Which used to be first world countries, wrecked by socialism.
Like Russia/Ukraine, you would not harm the people but in war you would blow up their power stations because it cripples the country. Even better if you can get them to do it themselves. And make sure they could never be used again. Our politicians are waging war on Australians over a fantasy, driven by China as Trump says.
Manufacturing is a problem, as they might produce guns or shells or nuclear submarines or cars. But the key to all manufacturing is cheap energy. Manufacturing is metal + energy = goods. Make energy unaffordable. No metals, no plastics, no refining. And the car industry has been demolished by Labor and the Unions. Great start.
Maybe the slave population can assemble, not make, Chinese solar panels, as Albanese is proposing for the Hunter valley with all those coal and power generating people out of work, like the Yallourn valley. Or erecting Chinese made power lines which fall over in a storm.
This week Australia’s largest windmill manufacturer closed. No government support. Energy too expensive. Not competitive against Chinese imports. Which of these is a surprise? And yet Albanese is talking of improving ‘productivity’ which allowing our biggest and best manufacturing to close. Keppel Prince and Quenos.
And the way you make electricity unaffordable is force people to go replaceables. In Victoria, make even fixing gas appliances illegal. Then bury huge ripoffs for nothing at all in the cost of coal and gas, carbon credits which have to surrendered for $0 to owners of Chinese solar panels and Chinese Windmills.
Make electricity unaffordable and you will bring a country to its knees. And keep the coal/gas/shale in the ground. China may run out.
It’s all too obvious.
I have trouble finding a difference between what Daniel Andrews did and Anthony Albanese is doing to Australia and what someone tasked with destroying Australia would do. I would like to think it was just sheer incompetence, like most Labor parties, but I fear it is directed by China.
Tourism is another. Victoria just banned climbing at Mt Arapiles. It is a beacon world wide for rock climbing and drives an industry. Who cares? Tell them they are on sacred sites but do not reveal where. Ban the lot. Ban everything. Tourists are not welcome. Like Ayers rock. Tourists are nothing but trouble and bring cash into the community. That has to be stopped. Only poor migrants are welcome, not rich tourists. In Victoria the cost of per person was tripled last year. The piers were packed with people spending hundreds of millions a year in Melbourne, so the Victoria Government chased them away. The piers are now empty.
Some one might tell me why you would triple the cost of berthing only to find no one arrives? Where’s the point in that except destruction of the tourist industry. Why?
If Dutton wanted to revitalize Australia, MAGA, then he only needs to repeal all the Carbon laws which are illegal anyway. And shut down the Clean Energy/Finance/Ripoff corporation in Canberra which ‘administers’ all these ultra Green theft based laws. To which no Australians agreed and of which most Australians are totally unaware.
And instead of giving an incredible $1Bn for shares in an ultra high risk, no return Quantum Computing venture in the US, give the same money to real existing manufacturing businesses in Australia which means we do not have to import manufactured goods, like plastics and windmills and solar panels.
Tell the Kappel Prince people to stay open. The government will subsidize Australian manufacturing, just like China.
Then we have the hard road of rebuilding our power stations and our manufacturing. Make Australia Great Again.
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Time to drain the swamp in Australia! This scam has gone on long enough to provide mountains of comparison data from before and after the Great Con. We are drowning in sanctimonious activists in the Marxist Government enabled by sycophant bureaucrats who ‘will provide that information to the Senate enquiry’ even though they were furnished with questions a week ago.
The top two tiers of bureaucracy in this country must go the same way as the US and Argentina. We have destroyed our autonomy, are destroying our energy and food security and swamping our cities with extra bodies we can’t house, all while elected and unelected taxpayer thieves alternate between talking to us like we’re children or berating us for living in a 21st Century country!
Google, Apple, Microsoft lead major tech companies quickly tying up dedicated nuclear power to give them uninterrupted supply for the AI ‘which will power the next century of technology’, while our lunatic Marxist activists decide we, the AI USER, must have black outs like it is 1824!
For the love of RA, Peter Dutton, MAKE IT STOP!
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BTW Nick Cater showed us the new Finnish Nuclear stn this year and the cost was about 9.6 billion Aussie $ and of course this reliable BASE-LOAD stn will last to 2100.
So toxic, unreliable W & S would cost us trillions of $ and be torn down in 15 to 20 years and thousands Klms of our environment destroyed. When will we think and wake up.
Yet we could build 10 of these Finnish reactors for just 96 billion $. See Nick’s honest costings at about 3 minutes 15 secs at the link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbeKtcTfMbY
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Nick Cater’s Nuclear comparison with the Qld wind farm is a joke and yet that unreliable, 20 year toxic W disaster is just all pain and NO gain.
Of course if a Sth Korean Nuclear team were asked to build 10 Nuclear plants you would easily get 10% off the price, or another free plant.
When will we wake up?
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You’re right Neville, but Bobowen has sanctimoniously ‘debunked’ nuclear with the well reasoned, fully researched answer of; ‘No, we will be world leaders in wind and solar, because we have both’.
The only answer is an election ASAP to stem the haemorrhage of funds worse than Whitlam in the ’70’s, while creating living standards of the 1950’s!
Logic, facts, truth and critical thinking are anathema to ideologues. The only answer is vote them out and show the difference between bankrupt ideologues and prosperous inventors, and even then some swing voting renewables investors will still back red, green, teal!
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Victoria has massive debt. Queensland is catching up.
But Victoria is NOT ALLOWED EXPORT COAL!
We could make a lot of money, but it is forbidden by our government? Why?
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Briquettes would be perfect. Same as black coal for thermal. We had a deal for compressed coal around 2007, $400million. Cost to Victoria? Nothing.
The technology was developed by a Bacchus Marsh company and Monash University.
And the Labor Brumby government banned it, forbade it. Why? The Age newspaper ran an editorial that this evil process made coal ‘blacker’. Are we run by idiots? Brown coal is 66% water! That’s why it’s brown!
So we have sat on our hands and 300 years of coal for 17 years.
Of course we are broke. Chinese steel and not allowed to export our own coal.
And the Safeguard Mechanism means our raw steel making will stop completely soon, just like the idiots in Britain.
Why not pass a law banning Saudi Arabia from exporting? Or Venezuela? Or Iran? Or Indonesia?
I cannot understand apart from orders from China, why Victorians are not allowed use their own coal or gas or export either?
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And as Tony from Oz points out, on and after the evening peak at 6.30pm, there is almost NO wind and No solar and No household solar. So much for the power of replaceables. They DON’T WORK NIGHTS when the demand is as high as it is in the day time.
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If only Victoria had an alternative political option to vote for. The LibNats went to the last election with an energy policy further left than the Marxists. Then backed a treaty to tie up resources in decades of red, green and black tape to make investment and development impossible!
The largest employer in Victoria is the State government. Add the Federal and Local bureaucrats living and working in Victoria and we have a perpetual Marxist government rapidly moving to Cuban economic standards of unsustainable costs with zero productivity. Then the rocket scientists decide we’ll remove more arable land for solar and wind to create blackouts they’ve seen be so successful in other totalitarian regimes.
I never thought I’d see the day that a hard working inventive nation would voluntarily vote for its own implosion as an economy, still with such depth of natural resources, breadth of agricultural possibility and a world in awe of our inventiveness.
The propaganda that we are a far better educated society than before Keatings University revolution is a delusion. An ability to recite answers for a degree, doesn’t signify intelligence and is being demonstrated to be the polar opposite of common sense.
We have a taxpayer funded propaganda machine churning out junk degrees devaluing the legacy subjects, populated by entitled ideologues who have zero critical thinking skills and access to middle class wealth to burn on theories long ago proven to be impractical to the point of starving their population.
Time to wake up Australia, while you still have the option to vote!
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Australia has massive debt and all caused by the Wally Pollies.
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Rocketing electricity prices are reality entirely becasue of government. And all the hidden electricity built in carbon certificates/ripoffs hit the poor much more than the rich. People earning below $20K a year are immune from income tax, but they cannot afford rocketing electricity. Rocketing food prices. Rocketing transport prices.
Sure the politicians call this ‘inflation’ but the big secret is that it is all due to the Australian government, not some alleged bad behaviour by supermarkets. If you keep printing money to pay for debts and you put massive hidden taxes in electricity costs and keep stealing from cash from consumer goods and services to ‘save the planet’, of course you are going to crucify the poor. And the country.
The Labor party was built on the poor. As were the Democrats in the US. But now the victims of Labor and the Democrats are the poor. And they are importing more poor people, not qualified, necessary, skilled people, but anyone. Even people who hate the place, the religion, the culture, Christians and Jews and democracy. Liberals stopped the boats but Labor/Democrats just flew them in anyway.
Australia is being wrecked deliberately, like America. We need someone like Trump to Make Australia Great Again. Close the borders. And dig, baby,dig for coal. Pay off our debts and stop wrecking our National parks, coastlines, farms and vistas. And attacking the Tourist trade, as in Victoria where rock climbers are banned. Ship visits are taxed out of existence. And coal, gas, wood have been banned from even domestic use.
We need Trump here. Or Peter Dutton to step up and stop playing with Woke. Bury it. And surround himself with the best people. We could list them.
What’s wrong with populism. It’s a democracy. We don’t need Post Modernmism. We need food and jobs and cheap power and to get politicians our of our accounts as they expand their greed way past taxes. And banning exports, free speech, even free speech overseas!
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How to survive a week without power:
https://youtu.be/XBrUI3PRTeo?si=8vxebtgT1vupqI-R
65kw generator for your McMansions that have dishwashers and pools…
Dave strikes again.😎
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that would cost a fortune. Im going to get a smaller one to keep the fridge running
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There were planned and unplanned outages, coal is clearly the backbone of the system.
“Here we’ve just been through a few days in which there has been good solar generation, good wind generation, not extreme demand,” professor Martin said.
“Yet coal generation capacity at around two thirds of its maximum has led to these very tight conditions.”
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There is a lack of understanding about how serious loss of electricity can be for more than a few hours at a time.
Concentrating on personal health, it is well demonstrated that human health consequences are mainly freom times of power loss in hot or cold weather.
These consequences include deaths attributable to loss of heating or cooling equipment.
Normally, when a person causes the death of an other, it is mostly named manslaughter or murder.
Murder and manslaughter are two crimes that are normally investigated in some detail, to reduce doubt as to the main or only cause of death.
Do we need a public campaign to firm up the link between bad power planning and murder?
Geoff S
(note: when I was aged 34 I was asked to manage a pilot plant making synthetic rutile from the beach sand ilmenite. The process involved a fluid bed reactor with several tonnes of ilmenite in continuous flow, injected with chlorine gas at 1050 deg C and a pressure a little above ambient. The whole hot part of the plant was cooled by flowing water, because it was iron and iron can catch fire and burn in hot chlorine gas.
The process was studied at Mt Morgan, whose population then was about 1,500. They were downhill from the plant. If there had been a serious leak of chlorine, we were aware that our consumption of chlorine at 10 tonnes per day was of the same magnitude as was used in the trenches in WWI. My wife and two children were among those who could be exposed. It was quite a tough assignment to properly know of the danger and its likely causes. I was ultimately responsible for safety and avoidance of murder myself. There was no agreement, writtem or implied, absolving me of any responsibility. Had an accident happened, when people started to die I had no recourse beyond suicide.)
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From the extraordinary Senator Jacinta Price.
“Our energy grid is a national scandal.
That’s a fact.
And we saw evidence of it this week with the New South Wales grid being overwhelmed by what was a pretty mild Spring heatwave.
It’s perfect timing, then, for the release of the Net Zero documentary by former Nine News political editor and journalist Chris Uhlmann.
You can watch the documentary on YouTube right now here.
Uhlmann told Sky News that Australia is “creating an electricity system which will not serve the needs of the country and I genuinely don’t believe that people fully understand what’s happening”.
He says the path we are on is a pathway to poverty.
And his conclusions are borne out by the research the Coalition has done on Labor’s disastrous energy policies.
Labor claimed their policy for Net Zero carbon emissions by 2050 would cost $122 billion.
It turns out it’s actually a $642 billion disaster in the making, with costs that are five times higher than what they have claimed.
And that comes after Anthony Albanese’s infamous promise of $275 savings on annual energy bills, which hasn’t just been broken but shattered, with Aussies paying over $1000 more than Labor predicted.
Again, it’s a scandal.
In a cost of living crisis, with Australians facing higher bills, growing debt, and an energy system at risk of instability, Albanese and Labor are making life worse for all of us.
They’re pursuing Net Zero for ideological reasons, knowing full well it will cost the earth and simply won’t work.
The Labor plan conceals significant costs, including transmission costs, and large projects they treat as “sunk costs”, even though they still need to be paid for.
Labor’s plan relies on a carbon price to justify their renewables-only approach.
This is currently around twice the Gillard-era carbon tax and will continue to grow.
Australians deserve to have a clear picture of these costs in order to be able to engage in this critical debate about our nation’s energy future.
Because as it stands, as Uhlmann says, we’re on a pathway to poverty if we don’t reverse course soon.
The Coalition’s plan for nuclear power is the only way we can deal with the energy challenges of the future while staying on the path of prosperity.
It’s REAL solutions we need, not expensive pie-in-the-sky plans that will destroy our nation’s future.
Yours for REAL solutions,
Jacinta Nampijinpa Price
Senator for the Northern Territory
Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians”
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And what Chris Ulman questions is whether nett zero is achievable and makes any sense.
But he does not even examine whether man made CO2 driven Global Warming is reality. It’s not. It’s a lie.
Nor whether Australia achieving nett zero is of any consequence to CO2 at all. It cannot. Firstly Australia is only 1% to 2% of world emissions.
More importantly, 500,000 windmills and billions of solar panels, ‘renewables’ world wide have had zero effect on CO2 .
And NASA says satellites show growing billions of trees makes no difference to CO2.
Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds – NASA
So the only alternatives are that our political leaders are idiots or that they are evil.
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He accepts co2 doctrine. They all do, a few exceptions, Bolt and …. ?
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Many years managing businesses in SE Asia taught me one very important lesson:
When obviously intelligent people are making absolutely ridiculous decisions, and are meeting carefuly articulated criticisms and advice on the matter with complete stubborn indifference and blank faces, then they, or someone above them, is personally being greatly enriched by that decision, either in cash or kind, or both.
I now easily recognise the same issue in the western world.
It was always there of course, we just didn’t expect it to be the case in so-called ‘developed’ economies.
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I find the government nanny state advice of how to operate your aircon intriguing.
I’ve never lived with air conditioning until the last 6 years or so. I used to live 100 metres behind the beach, and you just didn’t need it ever, and as a kid I lived in the subtropics and no one had aircon in the 70s and 80s.
Now that electricity is very expensive I finally have air con, back in the sub tropics. and Im getting older so I live in comfort now.
I find I only need the aircon during the really hot part of the day, 12 – 4, generally cools off after that. Sometimes at night to get to sleep because my bedroom is a Japanese torture tin pen.
I run it pretty high. At first I cool it down to 22 and then put it back up to 26 then back to 25/24 when it gets a bit warm.
And that’s without any green motivation, just the way I like it. I don’t like the cold 22. I find the air con takes the humidity out and that’s the main thing. I also like to go outside and feel how hot it is and go back in to keep a grip on things.
Guess it might be different in a city, I’m certainly not there.
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If it’s any consolation, it is the same in the UK, but it is winter where we expect blackouts, not summer.
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Most of Australia does not need airconditioning either. It’s a luxury. And being able to dehumidify the air in the tropics just once a day makes the place livable long term. Winters are not savage either. No snow in most Australian cities. My beachside suburb even in cold Melbourne has never been under 0C/32F unless you put your ear on the ground. I have seen the black ice symbol on my car only twice, 0-4C and that’s 2km inland.
But cheap reliable electricity powers so much more now. But the government is making use of plentiful gas, coal and wood illegal. Major exports in fact. Or expressing an opinion on the internet. Or being unkind to people, now known as hate speech.
The politicians have grabbed more and more power by simply passing laws where they have no right to pass them. And a backlash is long overdue, as in the US. Australian, the UK and US are NOT packed with ‘far right skinheads’. The people being victimised are those who are asking if lockdown is really necessary, if immunization should be given to babies, if medicines are safe and where someone in government should decide what we watch, what we can say and which pronouns we should use and who is a boy or a girl.
Those people who think the governments in the US, UK and Australia stink have had about enough. And the doctor’s wives voting Teal(upper class Greens) are starting to wonder why they are supposed to hate Jewish people. Plus the workers wonder why they are losing their jobs wholesale with wall to wall Labor parties who do not give a tinkers about jobs for Australians.
There is a reckoning coming at the next election, if only the Liberal party can get some actual conservatives more than a mm to the right of the Labor party hacks. Donald Trump, Nigel Farage and so many throughout Europe are rising. And the workers are starting to realise they want the old world back, which makes them Conservatives. Because the Maxist/Leninists and friends of Xi are killing them. As RFKennedy said. “I did not leave the Democratic party. It left me”.
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And in the Telegraph on a less serious note on woke idiocy “The University of Reading faced backlash this month for putting a trigger warning on the human body to avoid upsetting biology students.”
It’s part of this process where people who work for the government are all knowing and all wise and there to protect others from harm, bad thoughts or falling down stairs while texting. And Global Warming, which sounds like a great idea in most of the Northern Hemisphere.
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Bottom line is that CO2 is not a driver of climate variations. However none of our politicians is prepared to make the effort to follow up the conclusions of Dr John Nicol. Business sees govt. handouts as a profit suckers dream and does not dare question the Gore/Thunberg/Bowen myth. Is anyone game to broadcast Nicol’s conclusions. Coal Australia advocates for the workers in our coal industry. Perhaps they have a loud enough voice to alert Albo/Dutton to the pitfalls of our current energy policies.
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It’s hard to see government structures in the West (the ones that tell us that they represent the interest of the ‘people’), are little more than carnival hucksters.
Constant constructing and hard selling narratives designed almost entirely to coerce every last penny from the tax base.
Now working diligently to silence us if we dare stop believing their BS.
A requirement now that the BS is so obvious.
IMHO, CAGW and Pandemic were political constructions designed for exactly this purpose.
The great scientific enlightenment culture was corrupted by the these same carnival hucksters.
Trump historically, may be more comparable to Martin Luther.
He came down the escalator and nailed his complaints to the foreheads of the elitist media sycophants.
“Fake News!”
(Some future Monty Pythons may one day produce a parody … “no one expects The New York Times”.)
And they lost their minds.
Dissembling to parodies of themselves.
Their ‘we are the legitimate information source’ (though it lasted about sixty years) has collapsed.
The power behind them has not.
The citizens of Australia, along with the rest of us, will likely pay dearly for decades, even if the great promise of 19th and 20th century enlightenment can be saved.
In the UK they are actually openly considering resurrecting (see what I did there) blasphemy laws.
Except this the time, the only thing you’ll be allowed to blaspheme is Resurrection.
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Bowens comments are partly right .Renewables are extremely reliable.They can be relied upon to be useless when you need them the most, days of high demand due to extremely hot or extremely cold weather. In fact as shown not that extreme. The reality is that this transition is never fully going to happen and the question will be how much damage will be done in the mean time. If the Libs are not in power after the next election id suggest that I’ll have to look for an overseas destination i can move to. What happened to Argentinas economy over decades will be nothing in comparison to the economic carnage here.
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Excellent response Jo to the shocking state of our electricity supply grid here in Australia.
You and indeed many other like minded have been shouting this message for well over a decade now and it has all fallen on deaf years. Talk about chickens coming home to rooste!!
Successive governments over the years have destroyed our cheap and reliable coal fired Power stations and have forced and brainwashed the nation to accept the totally unrelable wind and solar powered energy. And in tha process have doubled the costs of electricity to the people and destroyed our manufacturing industries.
Summer has only just started, and the situation will only get worse.
When will people wake up to the truth ?!..
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