It’s taken five years to figure it out, but apparently climate change is even worse than the last time we thought it was worse. Who knew? Once upon a time, glaciers were at a constant perfect position. Life was paradise on Earth and all the animals were happy. But then mankind built that first planet-destroying coal powered station in 1880 and now mountains are being moved, the Earth is changing.
Or at least, that’s sort of what the press release implies. What this tale is really about is the way the media hyperbole is just another excuse to repeat The Climate Mantra even if has nothing much to do with what the paper. What were those observations again?
If Nature, the formerly esteemed journal, was half what it used to be, it would have helped young Michele Koppes keep a longer term perspective, and not lace the press release with baseless speculation. Probably she’s seen a few too many Greenpeace-BBC specials and thinks Antarctica is warming (when the satellites show it isn’t). And curiously, the part that is warming happens to be right over the edges of the tectonic plates where the volcanoes are. She might think climate models work too.
The paper itself might reveal some new insight about the world, but the press release is just untested assumptions extrapolated ad absurdio.
Global warming can alter shape of the planet, as melting glaciers erode the land
Climate change is causing more than just warmer oceans and erratic weather. According to scientists, it also has the capacity to alter the shape of the planet.
In a five-year study published today in Nature, lead author Michele Koppes, assistant professor in the Department of Geography at the University of British Columbia, compared glaciers in Patagonia and in the Antarctic Peninsula. She and her team found that glaciers in warmer Patagonia moved faster and caused more erosion than those in Antarctica, as warmer temperatures and melting ice helped lubricate the bed of the glaciers.
“We found that glaciers erode 100 to 1,000 times faster in Patagonia than they do in Antarctica,” said Koppes. “Antarctica is warming up, and as it moves to temperatures above 0 degrees Celsius, the glaciers are all going to start moving faster. We are already seeing that the ice sheets are starting to move faster and should become more erosive, digging deeper valleys and shedding more sediment into the oceans.”
The repercussions of this erosion add to the already complex effects of climate change in the polar regions. Faster moving glaciers deposit more sediment in downstream basins and on the continental shelves, potentially impacting fisheries, dams and access to clean freshwater in mountain communities. “The polar continental margins in particular are hotspots of biodiversity,” notes Koppes. “If you’re pumping out that much more sediment into the water, you’re changing the aquatic habitat.”
The Canadian Arctic, one of the most rapidly warming regions of the world, will feel these effects acutely. With more than four degrees Celsius of warming over the last 50 years, the glaciers are on the brink of a major shift that will see them flowing up to 100 times faster if the climate shifts above zero degrees Celsius.
The findings by Koppes and coauthors also settle a scientific debate about when glaciers have the greatest impact on shaping landscapes and creating relief, suggesting that they do the most erosive work near the end of each cycle of glaciation, rather than at the peak of ice cover. The last major glacial cycles in the Vancouver region ended approximately 12,500 years ago.
The study, Observed latitudinal variations in erosion as a function of glacier dynamics, appears in Nature.
And so what? Glaciers haven’t been constant in the past as proved by the Great Lakes of North America, if by nothing else. So why is it a problem that a natural process is going on right under our noses?
Ho hum!
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The first lesson that studying geology should teach anyone who pays attention is that solid ground isn’t.
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I’ll never forget the complaint I read from a guy who had built his dream house on a ridge in the Santa Monica Mountains only to have it collapse and fall down the mountain after a big rainstorm. “My geologist told me that was solid bedrock,” he complained.
Unfortunately his solid bedrock was sandstone and shale, both of which are only solid when dry. Add water and they’re suddenly lubricated and under any stress at all, the layers start to shift… …oops, down goes the house.
The history of building in those mountains is littered with such examples that stood only until the rain came. It doesn’t help that people pour water on their landscaping, which just adds to the eventual problem.
If the tectonic plates move we have no choice but to cope with it.
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I remember my Geology prof telling is that people who build their houses in the river deserve what they get and a river flood plain is part of the river.
This lesson was brought home as I watch a house float down the river and OVER the bridge in West Virgina. (We had driven over that bridge to get to high ground about a half hour before.)
Of course Michele Koppes is in the Department of Geography not Geology so she thinks every thing is cast in stone…. She should be in a cave during an earthquake some time and watch the limestone bedding planes sliding in relation to each other.
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Yes, another excellent example of solid not being so solid.
I posted a comment about how things move in an earthquake a year or two ago, the Tehachapi California quake of 1952, same thing, solid suddenly isn’t solid anymore. There are a lot more references you can find with that exact search text. A huge area was raised up as much as four feet in a matter of a split second reaching clear to the coastline northwest of the epicenter. The railroad runs right through the city of Tehachapi and it suffered severe damage to tunnels and a huge water tank came down, flooding some of the city and doing even more damage. There is now a monument commemorating the quake where that water tank stood. The city is at the top of a steep grade in both directions and steam engines needed a lot of water to replenish what was used climbing that grade and the tank was one of the largest anywhere. It it must have weighed many tons and it came down right on the main street through town. Fortunately it was 3 or 4 AM in the morning so no traffic in the way of it.
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Much like ABC and Faux Facts journalism.
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My geology prof told me that glaciers grow and shrink a lot over long periods of time.
But, he was a REAL prof, not a global warming alarmist.
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Koppes et al are well known here for their collective nonsense. they are victims of the “publish or perish” desease with PC complications brought on by socialist/greenie infections at UBC.
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South Africa used to be where Antarctica is now a while back. How’s that for planet changing? Must have been all the dinosaur farts.
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The North American plate is moving to the west-southwest at about 2.3 cm (~1 inch) per year.
The Juan De Fuca Plate, moving east-northeast at 4 cm (~1.6 inches) per year.
And the race horse of the bunch:
The Pacific Plate is moving to the northwest at a speed of between 7 and 11 cetimeters (cm) or ~3-4 inches a year.
REFERENCE:
http://pnsn.org/outreach/about-earthquakes/plate-tectonics
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What does it mean when my dinner plate starts moving across the tabletop? Oops! Sorry, I forgot, wrong kind of plate — unless there’s an earthquake. 😉
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Sounds like some sort of forcing has been applied.
(Unless you live on a boat, or just have a wonky table…)
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Since the table is an antique, wonky may apply too. 😉
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Sounds like you need to chase your dog off the table. 🙂
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No dog since my son moved out of the house years ago. Do you suppose the tortoise in the backyard could be responsible? 😉
She is quite strong.
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So the plates are moving more than the sea is rising…
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I think one of the problems with our Warmist friends, is that they are unable to distinguish between local (relative) sea-level changes, and global (eustatic) changes.
Mind you, I am not sure why I chose this particular knowledge gap (be it intentional, or as a result of our increasingly anti-science education systems) to complain about when there are so many others that it puts Swiss cheese to shame…
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Her argument is self-contradictory. She says that warming temperature and melting ice help lubricate the bed of the glacier. ( How do rising air temperatures warm the bottom of the glacier?) If the base of the glacier is lubricated, it should cause LESS erosion, not more.
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True unless massive warming caused by some underground source of massive amounts of heat (ie, geothermal) causes large rivers of water to flow under the glacier that is kept cold by the extreme low surface temperatures. Such rivers can form subglacial lakes, which can burst to cause massive and quick erosion.
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I’m pretty sure that’s not actually a contradiction.
I’ve often had the bottom of an esky become wet from melted ice. Unless the Glacier is perfect, with no cracks or fissures, and with no loose soil or gravel along the side, that water will indeed get to its base. My big response to this is “So what?”
“This proposed change makes no practical difference to anybody. It’s only Greens think of change is bad in itself.”
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Her argument is self-contradictory. She says that warming temperature and melting ice help lubricate the bed of the glacier. ( How do rising air temperatures warm the bottom of the glacier?) If the base of the glacier is lubricated, it should cause LESS erosion, not more.
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This study has been issued just when South American Glaciers (amongst others) are growing.
http://iceagenow.info/2015/10/largest-glacier-in-argentina-advancing/
As for this ” said Koppes. “Antarctica is warming up, and as it moves to temperatures above 0 degrees Celsius, the glaciers are all going to start moving faster. ”
What planet is this man living on, it is certainly not Earth.
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The Norway glaciers have also re-established and are growing at the greatest rate in the last 8,000 years. From 8,000 – 4,000 years ago there was little to no glacial activity. The highest period of the glacier growth has been in the past 600 years.
The people have zero sense of the earth’s history.
REFERENCE:
2011 A new approach for reconstructing glacier variability based on lake sediments recording input from more than one glacier
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I hope this isn’t a precursor to another Storrega Slide event. Those are nasty things.
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It’s nice to have a name to go along with the empty head. After a time they all start, like any herd, to appear alike. These names belong on a Wall of Stupid lest we forget their most laughable scrawls.
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I learned at my father’s knee that our (old) S Wales hills were once higher than today’s alps.
The climate changed, the glaciers came and eroded them down.
The climate changed again, the glaciers melted again to reveal the present more modest hills.
“Climate change … has the capacity to alter the shape of the planet.”
Well derrr, no sh*t Sherlock!
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I see that the Dept. of Geography at the University of British Columbia is still using the old theory that glaciers move because the ice at the bottom melts and lubricates the sliding.
Presumably the Geography Dept. doesn’t speak to the Geology Dept.
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There might be a bit of subliminal projection from the warmists, many car models with names like the Sierra, Outback Forester, Aura, Aspen, Nimbus gives the link to environment, then names like Voyager, Navigator, Skylark, Journey, Traverse suggests cars are absolutely everywhere, then factoring in the Firebird, Amarok, Prowler, Thunder, Viper names gives the link to cars having mythical abilities of power over the world.
Perhaps in thousands of years future humans will find cave paintings of people driving cars and wonder how such a primitive people could imagine this advanced technology, the intervention of alien life will be suggested but ultimately our demise will be blamed on CO2….again. 🙁
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Surely you are not suggesting that there is history earlier than history.
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I’ve often thought many car names are very silly. For example, whatever did the Avenger have to avenge?!
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What did the Challenger have to challenge?
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Not to mention the Pajero (wanker)!
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Did Mrs Peel Have an Avenger car?
I would very much like to go for a Sunday drive with Mrs Peel.
Make and Model of no particular concern actually as long as the delectable Mrs P was driving.
Mr Steed not invited but we shall all meetup later at The Chessman Hotel for Irish Coffee and Whisky Soda. Room 621 of course.
Should we invite a few Climate Scientists over. Would they Dare?
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This study along with many other studies confirm that liberals are miserable people who want everyone else to live in their misery. What a waste of time to publish such drivel.
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American “liberals” means socialists. Hang on, are Austrlain Liberals now socialists?
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yes
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We are all doomed.
Send money.
Quickly.
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I’ll just give you my credit card details, it is probably better if you decide how much you want to take.
On second thoughts, to do this like a proper climate evangelist, I should give you someone elses credit card details, and demand a modest cut for myself – call it a ‘electronic transfer surcharge’, or, by pure coincidence, an ‘ETS’).
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Don Easterbrook studied the extent history of some glaciers of Mt Baker.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/09/13/mt-baker-glaciers-disappearing-a-response-to-the-seattle-times/
You will have to look at the graphs yourself, but they display very well why the alarmista always want to start everything around 1979. 😉
Then of course there are the trees found under glaciers that retreated somewhat due to the grand solar maximum of the latter half of last century and the general beneficial warming since the LIA.
http://www.livescience.com/39819-ancient-forest-thaws.html
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The media feigns great emotion,
If a glacier alters its motion,
Or advance and erode,
Then shedding its load,
Of sediments into the ocean.
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Without erosion how are vital nutrients supposed to cycle through the oceans other than perhaps Vulcan ism.
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Perfectly rational. Live long and prosper.
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My favourite glacier discovery:
Archaeologists uncover 1300-year-old ski in Norway
NRK reports that the wooden ski, which measures 172 centimeters long and 14.5 centimeters wide, was discovered in a glacier in what’s now Reinheimen National Park in the mountains of Lesja in Oppland.
. . .
Of course, there is no truth to the rumour that Otzi was found grasping a memory chip from a VW onboard emission computer.
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Handjive,
You never know about those onboard computers, they may have been protecting the planet for longer than we think. Imagine all the ski pollution saved. 😉
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Jo
FYI – a likely pairing!
http://realclimatescience.com/2015/10/epa-and-csiro-taking-sea-level-fraud-to-spectacular-new-heights/
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Four degrees over 50 years — I don’t believe it.
The Canadian Arctic glaciers consist of the a few on the fringes of Baffin and Ellesmere islands.
According to HadCRUT4 70 – 90 N data, the Arctic temperature has risen ~1.5 — ~2C in the past 50 years which is a repeat of a similar trend peaking around 1945.
There are more so-called scientists (or natural philosophers) nowadays, than in human history.
Climate Change™ science seems to be the repository for all the third-raters.
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One day they’ll discover water.
They make themselves sound like fools.
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Snake oil salesmen tend to do that.
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Of course warming at Greenland was higher in the earlier 20th century.
The Church et al SL study is supported by the Leclercq et al 2014 glacier study. They found that the strongest glacier retreat around the world occurred in the first half of the 20th century.
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/new-paper-finds-worldwide-glacier.html Once again the post 1950 retreat has slowed, so where is the so called increased co2 effect?
In fact observations prove that it is exactly the opposite. So how does that work????
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This is a big worry. The shape of Earth has changed, so its angular momentum has changed, so the length of a day has changed. How much foreward or back should I reset my clock each day? Will the fractions of seconds accumulate, to add or remove a day from the calendar? And what about gravity – do we need to recalculate the gravitational constant?
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Whatever, just remit the money.
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My usual question answered by the comments is, “did any of you read the paper or just the commentary”?
Jo’s last paragraph summarises the paper’s raisen d’etre and where it will get its future citations. The rest is mostly speculation and, yes, alarmism. But don’t believe me, read the paper.
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“Although this broad region has a relatively uniform tectonic and geologic history, the thermal regimes of its glaciers range from temperate to polar.
We find that basin-averaged erosion rates vary by three orders of magnitude over this latitudinal transect.
Our findings imply that climate and the glacier thermal regime control erosion rates more than do extent of ice cover, ice flux or sliding speeds.”
. . .
I believe you, Gee Aye, but, find no reason to panic after reading that, therefore, I will continue to make fun of the Doomsday Believers
(sung to the tune of Daydream believer by the Monkees)
V1.
Oh, I could hide from the winds
and the rain and all things
The Doomsday alarm clock predicts, but never brings
But it rings and I rise
Wipe the delusion from my eyes
The summer snow is cold and it stings
Chorus:
Cheer up, sheepy Jean
Oh, what can it mean
To a Doomsday Believer
and a climate drama queen
V2.
You still think of me
As a denier of your doomsday
Now you know how happy that makes me
oh, and our good times start and end
with my dollar you want to spend
But how much, (HOW MUCH) do you really need?
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thanks.. I sang along and added the slight eastend accent they applied
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If it wasn’t for that invented band, The Monkees, we wouldn’t have MTV.
(Hint – It was, umm invented by Mike Nesmith, and detailed at this Post of mine.)
Tony.
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Most excellent post, Tony.
I am a Monkees fan, and a Nesmith fan in particular.
Living on the GC, I became aware a few years ago that Louie Shelton was now living here.
Well, this year, at the Broadbeach Jazz festival, it was announced that Louie Shelton would play. For Free!
It was everything a fan could hope, as he played stuff from all over decades that he played on, including a quick rendition of Last Train to Clarksville.
One tick for the bucket list.
It was an excellent show. He played that Gibson 339 sunburst fwiw.
Also, may I add this clip of Nesmith playing Tapioca Tundra, one of so many faves …
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Look, I know it’s hopelessly off topic (say Tony, what’s new?) but during his time with The Monkees, Mike Nesmith was the one most frustrated that the band members themselves were not even considered when it came to writing songs.
It’s not like he couldn’t write good music.
If you like Linda Ronstadt, (and hey, who doesn’t) you know that she started out with a one hit wonder band The Stone Poneys. Their one big hit was the truly wonderful Different Drum, a huge hit virtually everywhere.
It was written by Mike Nesmith, while he was still a member of The Monkees.
Tony.
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Tony, could you send me an Email to [email protected] so I can send a copy of that report I mentioned to look at about renewable energy. Thanks
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The March 11, 2011 earthquake moved Japan coast 8 feet, shifted the Earth’s axis by about 6.5 inches, it accelerated Earth’s spin shortening the day by just over one-millionth of a second (1.8 microseconds to be exact) and even altering the local pull of Earth’s gravity field. Other earthquakes were set off with tremors detected as far away as Cuba.
I really think that quake did a tad more than the glacier in a heck of a lot shorter time frame.
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As they say up North (of England) Not round ‘ere it ain’t. Nor in Scandinavia, Denmark, Germany, Siberia, most of Canada, Scotland or Ireland. How do I know? Because the ice sheets which that were once at least a kilometer thick retreated many thousands of years ago. Many of the traces have since been eroded. But they are still there. For instance near Spurn Head the debris left by the ice sheets of mud and stone now forms cliffs of 5-10 metres high that are rapidly being eroded by the sea.
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From the Department of Missing the Forest for the Trees, the most obvious traces of previous glaciations are the fjords of Scandinavia (and subsequent sea level rise that currently makes them attractions for tourists on cruise ships), and other minor, easily missed erosional features such as the great lakes, the finger lakes in New York state, etc. If I’m not mistaken (and if I am it wouldn’t be the first time), these erosional features were all formed during the advance of the glaciers, not the retreat.
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well Spurn Head has eroded away and been reformed, replaced by humans, eroded, etc. A very exposed place. The wind there can easily hold my weight.
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“The wind there can easily hold my weight.”
What ! ???? .. you are a LEAF, ffs !!!
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have you leant against a gale and not fallen down? No? You haven’t lived.
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Maurice Newman, today’s Australian:
“In no time, Turnbull has signalled his soft liberal credentials.
Climate change policies are receiving fresh attention.
The Bureau of Meteorology has been freed of accountability and can now peddle its dubious data without scrutiny.”
~ ~ ~
“In no time” indeed.
The Bureau of Meteorology, today, in the SMH:
Nine hottest days
The following lists Sydney’s nine warmest days on or before October 10, with Monday’s top ranking as the second warmest so early in the month in more than 160 years of records, according to the Bureau of Meteorology.
. . .
Wait …
160 years of records? BoM records start at 1910, as the BoM discounted any prior records 1910 because they were shoddy, inaccurate, unreliable.
What?
If it was hotter in 1942, when carbon(sic) levels were lower, and 1942 wasn’t an El Niño ( to be fair, 1940/41 WAS El Niño), what caused the hottest October Day Evah in 1942?
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‘…more than 160 years of records, according to the Bureau of Meteorology.’
Nice one, if they can go back to the dark ages then I reckon 1878 would have been hotter.
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But let’s also check the SLR data. The PMSL site now shows Sydney SLR at just 0.65mm a year.
About 5.5cm by 2100 or 2.2 inches, big deal. These people are barking mad.
http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_global_station.htm?stnid=680-140
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“Climate change is causing more than just warmer oceans and erratic weather.”
Except it hasn’t warmed >>> https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/clip_image002_thumb1.jpg?w=597&h=279
Neither have the oceans >>>> https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/clip_image024_thumb.jpg?w=603&h=427
And as for more erratic weather , such as more and or stronger hurricanes >>>>
http://www.biokurs.de/treibhaus/180CO2/bayreuth/hurri-e.gif
Just more rubbish propaganda from the prophets of doom in search of taxpayer funding , and in great anticipation of the upcoming Climate Rajj in Paris …..the great Marxist Fiasco !!!
From 6 years ago , but even more accurate for today ….. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=82&v=snYggNfazKI
https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/clip_image034_thumb.jpg?w=601&h=464
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“Climate Change is altering the shape of the Planet”
Oh gosh. It just gets better and better.
I tell you what though, it certainly is changing the shape of some people’s brains it woul seem.
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ABC allows Fullilove to make this claim:
***This century has seen FOURTEEN OF THE FIFTEEN HOTTEST YEARS EVER.
27 Sept: ABC: Present at the destruction
Part of 2015 Boyer Lectures
Dr Michael Fullilove, the executive director of the Lowy Institute
Take the most wicked problem in the UN’s care. You do not have to believe we are present at the destruction of the planet to worry about climate change. The World Meteorological Organization reports that 2014 was the hottest year on record.
***This century has seen fourteen of the fifteen hottest years ever.
We know that the implications of global warming, including for Australia, are likely to be severe. Yet successive UN conferences have failed to agree on binding limits on greenhouse gas emissions…
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/boyerlectures/2015-09-27/6669044
Fran Kelly voices the promo for Fullilove/CAGW/Boyer, which is currently being aired regularly on ABC, yet the above silliness is all I’ve found on the subject from the Beijing lecture transcript.
meanwhile, over on ABC Books and Arts:
AUDIO: 12.30 in: 5 Oct: ABC Books and Arts: Kim Stanley Robinson’s novel Aurora
Guest: Author, Kim Stanley Robinson
Interviewer: Matthew Crawford
ROBINSON (paraphrasing): sea level rise is extremely likely to happen. West Antarctic ice sheet and Greenland are are two really large ice masses that are unstable. so i’m doing a “DROWN MANHATTAN” novel & it would be a “DROWN MELBOURNE” novel too, because i’m postulating a 50-foot sea level rise…
ABC’S CRAWFORD: well, there goes all our coastal cities basically.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/booksandarts/ksr-aurora/6810960
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On the subject of glaciers, here is a very interesting time lapse view of the motion of a glacier, taken from underneath the glacier. https://youtu.be/njTjfJcAsBg
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Nature used to be an elite journal. How did it come to publish anti-scientific nonsense? It seems they’ll publish anything as long as it claims global warming…
It would be interesting to write an entirely nonsense paper and see if they’ll publish it. (That has been done before with other reputable journals and the papers were published.)
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at about 11 mins in on Books & Arts audio, author Robinson throws in the “there is no planet B” line, which is now associated with Ban Ki-Moon (2014).
Robinson in July:
AUDIO: 17 July: Science Friday: A Sci-Fi Writer Keeps His Eye on ‘Spaceship Earth’
In his new novel, Aurora, sci-fi author Kim Stanley Robinson shines the microscope on interstellar colonization and concludes that Earth may be the only place where humans will ever be happy and healthy. As he tells Ira, “There is no Planet B.”
FIRST COMMENT:
Kurt Spath: Gee what a shocker! Ira moved the conversation to global warming. Again.
http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/07/17/2015/a-sci-fi-writer-keeps-his-eye-on-spaceship-earth.html
funny thing is, it was Christiana Figueres’s somewhat controversial brother, Jose Maria Figueres, who started the “Planet B” meme:
May 2012: Business Green: Jose-Maria Figueres: Climate Change is the biggest ***economic opportunity of our generation
Former Costa Rican President and the new chief at the (Richard Branson) Carbon War Room outlines how harnessing the power of entrepreneurs will have to solve the climate crisis – because there is no planet B…
Recently, I took on a new challenge. In March, I became the President of Sir Richard Branson’s Carbon War Room – after serving as Board Chairman for two years…
***He (Branson) saw the challenge of tackling climate change as bigger than both World Wars put together…
Another great example is aviation: the renewable jet fuels market can achieve significant scale by 2020…
To solve the information barrier, we teamed up with Elsevier (a Dutch Fortune 500 company and world’s largest scientific publisher) to build an online database of companies. In December last year, the War Room created RenewableJetFuels.org, which evaluates and ranks companies using criteria based upon companies’ economic viability, scalability, and sustainability…
http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/opinion/2173706/jose-maria-figueres-climate-change-biggest-economic-opportunity-generation
a further taste of Kim Stanley Robinson:
from Wikipedia: Kim Stanley Robinson
Sheldon Brown described Robinson’s novels as ways to explore how nature and our culture continuously reformulate one another:… Washington DC undergoing the impact of climate change in the Science in the Capitol series…Virtually all of Robinson’s novels have an ecological component; sustainability is one of his primary themes…Forty Signs of Rain has an entirely ecological thrust, taking global warming for its principal subject…Robinson’s work often explores alternatives to modern capitalism…
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Kee…hrist. Kim Stanley Robinson. I’ve enjoyed a couple of his novels but seriously the Red/Green/Blue mars trilogy was far too long. Read the first, most of the second(had to skim to avoid being bored to death) and couldn’t get up the enthusiasm to even start the last one. Can’t be bothered even looking at any subsequent stuff of his. Bleeding heart, left wing, dystopian politics. Get the same effect by sticking two fingers down your throat.
As for colonising other planets… we don’t need to. Make our own habitats. I can’t figure why Elon Musk is hung up on Mars. Nasty place. Why crawl down into a hole when you just got out of one? If he put his mind to it, Elon just might be able to pull off the Earth – Moon- solar power sats thing as Gerry O’Neill proposed 40 years ago.
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read the first comment at this link:
2012: Virgin: Richard Branson:Jose Maria Figueres new Carbon War Room President
Jose Maria was president of Costa Rica between 94-98 (one term constitution)…
***He is famous for coining the phrase there is no planet B.
His father was also President of Costa Rica and abolished the army. It is therefore perhaps ironic that his son is now running something called the War Room!
http://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/jose-maria-figueres-new-carbon-war-room-president
then check the various controversies, International leadership entries, etc at this link:
Wikipedia: Jose Maria Figueres
On March 27, 2012, Sir Richard Branson announced that he was appointed as the new President of the Carbon War Room…
Figueres has three younger siblings, Christiana Figueres, Mariano, and Kirsten. Christiana Figueres is currently the Executive Director of the UNFCCC…
???First recipient of the Global Prize from the World Bank’s Global Environmental Fund for leadership and efforts for the environment, 1998…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mar%C3%ADa_Figueres
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Joanne mentions something in the title of the Thread itself which a lot of people are not really aware of, the text in brackets ….. (blame your car).
The concentration of emissions reduction is in the electrical power generation sector which makes up around 40% of all emissions, but the Transportation Sector is almost as large with 32% of emissions, so almost a third of all emissions.
So, realistically, if there is to be any substantial commitment to emissions reduction, then that will need to be implemented across the board.
A 28% reduction, or whatever gets decided, will mean that there will need to be reductions found in all sectors, so they will either need to find efficiencies, and they really haven’t found them by anything really substantial across the years, or else remove transport.
Now, while you think of the family car, look at the makeup here, and I’m using data here that is around average across the Developed World.
The largest sources of transportation greenhouse gases in 2013 were passenger cars (44.7 percent), freight trucks (22.1 percent), light duty trucks, which include sport utility vehicles, pickup trucks, and minivans (18.0 percent), commercial aircraft (6.7 percent), rail (3.1 percent), pipelines (2.6 percent), and ships and boats (2.2 percent).
Any reduction in emissions would equate to removing virtually one in every three or four of all of those from the overall mix.
Emissions reduction is more than winding back on power generation.
Tony.
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The Left have never been comfortable with the personal mobility provided by private cars. This will give them the excuse they always wanted to force everyone off the road.
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That is why there is a big push for public transportation and bikes in the USA. They already have Grope-n-Fly in place and I keep hearing mutters about extending it to buses and trains. HMMMMmmmm Maybe that is why the number of Middle East immigrants allowed per year was DOUBLED after 9/11.
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More delusion and extremism from their ABC.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/cold_winter_ignored_but_one_hot_day_and_alarmist_jon_faine_cuts_loose/
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If its summer……its Global Warming
if its winter ……its Global Cooling
If its autumn or spring…….its Climate Change
Soon it will be Global Anything !
What it really is , is Global Marxism !
The stealing of our rights , freedoms and wealth , whilst we are being lectured to , “how this will be good for us ”
And so many believe this rubbish …..a kind of global mass anxiety attack >>>> the birth of the Eco – Loon !….. aka ‘True B’lver’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB2Ft3t7ceg
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I have two questions. One, is there any adverse effect anywhere in the universe that AGW doesn’t exacerbate? Two, is there any beneficial effect anywhere in the universe that AGW contributes to?
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behind paywall:
5 Oct: UK Times: Robin Pagnamenta: Britain may have to ‘go Dutch’ to avoid blackouts
Supplies of electricity this winter are likely to be so tight that Britain could be reliant on imports via an undersea power cable from the Netherlands, industry experts fear.
This month, National Grid is expected to set out its forecasts for power supplies in its annual winter outlook report. It is set to predict that the UK’s electricity supply margin could be as slender as 1.9 percent or less at times of peak demand during December and January…
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/business/industries/naturalresources/article4576051.ece
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A Factor of Safety (FoS) of less than 2% ? If true, madness follows …
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read all:
5 Oct: ClimateChangeNews: Megan Darby: UN releases 20-page negotiating text for climate deal
Shortened document makes clear which elements will be legally binding and sets out decisions to be made before Paris summit
At 20 pages, the document (LINK) is less than a quarter the length of the last version, published in July…
Pulled together by the two co-chairs to the process, Ahmed Djoghlaf and Dan Reifsnyder, the document has no official status. Decisions can only be made by negotiators from the 195 countries involved.
But it will form the basis of interim talks in Bonn 19-23 October, the last negotiating session before Paris.
In a separate “scenario note”, the co-chairs said they would put the text up on a screen for negotiators to go through line by line…
The International Emissions Trading Association was dismayed to see little provision for carbon markets…
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2015/10/05/un-releases-20-page-negotiating-text-for-climate-deal/
UNFCCC: 20 page document
http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2015/adp2/eng/8infnot.pdf
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5 Oct: Reuters Carbon Pulse: Work on carbon markets held back as diplomats slash UN climate text
By Stian Reklev and Ben Garside
Mention of carbon markets was largely left out of the main draft Paris agreement released Monday, though references to building an international carbon market regime made it into a draft decision for negotiators to craft detailed rules on later…
But it did say countries may “cooperate in the implementation of mitigation activities”, potentially paving the way for international carbon trade…
In the draft decision portion, it said countries should agree by next year’s UN climate conference rules and guidance for accounting of emission reductions, including allowing use of “internationally transferred mitigation outcomes” to meet national goals “supplemental to domestic action”, a basic principle for international carbon trade…
Of the nearly 150 INDCs submitted so far, at least 70 countries have said they intend to use or explore the use of market-based mechanisms…
Such plans may face years of uncertainty if there is no language or provisions for international carbon trading in the Paris agreement, but with the growing number of national and sub-national governments turning to CO2 markets, observers are confident emissions trading will remain a key approach to reducing GHG emissions…
The text also included provisions that would scale up annual climate finance after 2020, although it was left in brackets whether the Paris deal should contain a reference to the $100 billion by 2020 in finance that parties pledged in Copenhagen…
http://carbon-pulse.com/carbon-market-details-drop-out-as-diplomats-slash-un-climate-text/
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Glaciers and ice sheets don’t need any help from people to change the landscape. Where I live in Washington State there is abundant evidence.
http://hugefloods.com/Scablands.html
Use Google Earth to fly low over the Palouse region of our state to get an idea of the incredible power of ice and glacial lakes. Learn how huge boulders and a massive iron/nickle meteorite rafted from Canada to the Williamette Valley of Oregon where they remain today.
Visit the Okanogan to see up close the immense and beautiful landscape changes made by these great ice sheets. Then recall the end of that era was the last significant climate change. What has happened since is climate variation.
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Very interesting website, dp.
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Here is found another example of “settled science”.
http://hugefloods.com/Mystery.html
The science can only have been settled by ignoring observed data. That seems to be a recurring problem in science.
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If Antarctica is warming, then why more sea ice?
Any rate, the rate of material moving along a glacier is exactly determined by the amount of snow falling further up. It must be when you think about it.
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‘If Antarctica is warming, then why more sea ice?’
Antarctic sea ice has returned to average.
‘…a glacier is exactly determined by the amount of snow falling further up.’
True, but its a desert and snow is light on the ground, so I’m not entirely sure of the mechanism.
To solve the riddle we may have to go back to the middle of the 19th century, when large icebergs littered the Southern Ocean.
Clearly there must have been an increase in mass balance in Antarctica to have created those icebergs.
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At Antarctica the temperature can rise 10’s of degrees before melting is a problem. How much warming do your sources claim?
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The mechanism might be simpler than we thought.
A rapidly increasing Length of Day (LOD) may have been a major factor in the production of icebergs.
Something to do with the preservation of the planet’s angular momentum, which would force high latitude ice mass to move towards the equator and become liquid water.
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This is getting out of control. Certain states in the US want to install a GPS “Mileage Tracking Device” in cars to extract more tax to help them fight climate change. The more distance one travels the more tax one pays. They are serious about this. Obviously this is a scam. If it happens here I will seriously consider selling my car.
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Don’t laugh, the fanatics are seriously deluded and they want to punish sceptics.
I noticed that Tom Foolery has a new climate change book on the book shop shelves, in Hobart at least. Or is it Green Land.
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‘I will seriously consider selling my car.’
That’s the desired effect.
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Incorrect. The true purpose is to raise more money. It has nothing to do with altering the climate. We know that and they know that, unless they are really stupid, which is a distinct possibility. By selling my car they miss out on collecting any more taxes from me.
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‘The true purpose is to raise more money.’
Yeah the warmists can’t lose, in their mind its a win/win situation.
‘It has nothing to do with altering the climate.’
Apparently the models have failed miserably.
‘We know that and they know that, unless they are really stupid, which is a distinct possibility.’
Cunning and greed is part of the problem, but ignorant groupthink takes the cake for utter stupidity.
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Can we attach a mileage GPS to every green sycophant attending Paris ?
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Global Warming has the capacity to change the shape of the planet!
More like it has capacity to change the shape of some peoples’ brains (and make them smaller!)
I hope that this is not being too rude-but some of this rubbish does make one angry.
Regards
Geoff W Sydney
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while some are blaming the floods in South Carolina on CAGW, it’s interesting to read the following re the French Riviera flooding:
5 Oct: Local, France: Who’s to blame for the Riviera flood deaths?
While the president of the Alpes-Maritimes department Eric Ciotti said we have to admit a “form of powerlessness against nature”, others are pointing the finger of blame at the country’s weather agency Météo France, making it the prime target.
Although weather warnings were in place, the ferocity of the storms took everyone by surprise and some are now blaming the country’s meteorological service Meteo France.
On Saturday afternoon Meteo France had issued Orange alerts for storm and flood warnings for six departments including Alpes Maritimes, where most of the devastation took place…
But some local politicians claim the Orange warnings are issued so often that they have become “trivialized” and Saturday’s storm clearly merited the issuing of a red warning.
“We have about 20 Orange alerts each year. They’ve become so trivialized that no one takes the precautions seriously,” said Mayor of Nice Christian Estrosi…
But Meteo France have issued a staunch defence of their actions, simply saying that with the technology they have available it would have been impossible to predict the fact the storms would intensify to such a deadly degree…
others said the roots of the tragedy lay in the amount of intense construction the Riviera has seen in recent years, which has changed the nature of the area.
Several of those who died were trapped in underground car parks that have become necessary due to the sheer numbers of people living on the Riviera and the need to maximize space.
Michelle Salucki, the mayor of the town of Vallauris-Golfe Juan, where three people died after becoming trapped in a flooded tunnel, said “the concreting of town centres” was a factor in the disaster…
Cecile Duflot from France’s Greens group also denounced the fact that many buildings on the Riviera are made “waterproof”, which prevents flood water from being able to run away freely…
http://www.thelocal.fr/20151005/france-could-french-riviera-flood-deaths-have-been-prevented
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call me cynical – what could there be in this for Germany/EU?
5 Oct: Climate Change News: Ed King: Germany offers India €2 billion in solar, clean energy funds
Leaders Modi and Merkel agree renewables finance package and to cooperate on plans for global climate deal in Paris
According to a joint statement, €1 billion has been offered over five years to help India meet a goal of deploying 100 gigawatts of solar by 2022…
He added both leaders had discussed plans for a global climate deal to limit warming to below a 2C danger zone, set to be signed off in Paris this December…
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2015/10/05/germany-offers-india-e2-billion-in-solar-clean-energy-funds/
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Mike Jowsey on WUWT’s Tips&Notes:
It was bound to happen. Bill McKibben just tweeted this link:http://mashable.com/2015/10/05/south-carolina-floods-global-warming/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link#xj1J.J5RjPqs
“South Carolina flooding is the type of event climate scientists have warned about for years”
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oh dear, caught flat-footed on the dance floor!
6 Oct: SMH: Peter Hannam with Reuters: Paris 2015: Draft flags five-year climate reviews, leaves Australia ‘flat-footed’
“It gets everyone on the same dance floor, and ensures the music they dance to can be made faster in the future,” (deputy chief executive of the Climate Institute) Mr Jackson said…
“The core details still need to be resolved, but this [draft] again just highlights that Australia’s lack of stable, scalable and credible domestic policy to modernise our economy is leaving us flat-footed in a world turning to clean energy,” Mr Jackson said…
The working draft also includes an option to negotiate for a temperature increase of 1.5 degrees rather than 2 degrees…
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/un-climate-conference/paris-2015-draft-flags-fiveyear-climate-reviews-leaves-australia-flatfooted-20151006-gk241k.html
2 Oct: Carbon Brief: Simon Evans: IEA scales back UK renewables forecast, citing policy uncertainty
The amount of renewable capacity added in the UK will fall by half between 2015 and 2016, says the IEA’s Medium-Term Renewable Energy Market Report 2015, in part because of uncertainty over government policy following the election in May…
http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2015/10/iea-scales-back-uk-renewables-forecast/
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Peter Hannam – here’s a dose of reality for you:
6 Oct: Reuters: India leads Asia’s dash for coal as emissions blow east
By Krishna N. Das and Tommy Wilkes
India is opening a mine a month as it races to double coal output by 2020, putting the world’s third-largest polluter at the forefront of a pan-Asian dash to burn more of the dirty fossil fuel that environmentalists fear will upend international efforts to contain global warming…
China, India and Indonesia now burn 71 percent of the world’s newly mined coal according to the World Coal Association…
Other Asian nations are increasingly looking to coal to power their economies too, with Pakistan, the Philippines and Vietnam opening new plants, pushing the Asia/Pacific region to 80 percent of new coal plants.
“Coal is still the most cost competitive power generation fuel, and in the end that’s what matters most for emerging markets,” said Frederic Neumann, Co-Head Of Asian Economic Research at HSBC in Hong Kong…
Japan’s use has reached a record after shrinking its nuclear industry and it plans to build another 41 new coal-fired units over the next decade…
Australia’s exports of thermal coal rose 5 percent to 205 million tonnes in the last financial year and are to increase by a further 1 million tonnes this year, driven by increased demand from Japan, South Korea and Taiwan…
Magadh mine is the biggest of the many New Delhi will open to hit an annual coal target of 1.5 billion tonnes by 2020, raising its production above the United States but less than half the amount China currently burns…
If India burns as much coal by 2020 as planned, its emissions could as much as double to 5.2 billion tonnes per annum – about a sixth of all the carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere last year – Peters said…
He said India could replace the United States as the world’s second largest emitter by 2025. “This is something no one would have expected.”
http://news.yahoo.com/india-leads-asias-dash-coal-emissions-blow-east-023156993.html
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So what shape is the world going to be? Tetrahedron? Icosahedron? Ellipsoid? Disc? Slightly squashed iced finger bun? Whatever it turns out to be, It’s Worse Than We Thought.
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Strangely, I thought the explanation for lubrication increase under the Antarctic glaciers was due to MORE ice in the glaciers. My understanding is that it is a pressure effect – more pressure, more melt at the bottom.
Maybe the piece is meant to be reassuring? It does state, “and as it moves to temperatures above 0 degrees Celsius…” which we know is NOT happening. 😀
Maybe it’s just they haven’t read David Evans’ posts yet and don’t realise the models they are predicting from are fatally flawed? 😀
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As an aside, we’ve had 2 days over 30º in Victoria and strong winds today and suddenly the programming is back in action – ‘worst start to bushfire season ever’ and on The Project, ‘are we facing the hottest summer in decades.
le sigh…
Seems everyone has forgotten the cold winter we just had? After a summer that might as well not have happened?
I swear we’d be hearing this crap even if the glaciers were moving down Bourke St.
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Let me understand you. The media reports are wrong about the weather now being hot and a bad start to the fire season because they forgot that winter was cold?
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You understand correctly. The media reports are invariably wrong. There is reality (whatever we mean by that), then there is the reportage of reality, by the journalist, based on the relative differnece between one indistinct state, and another indistinct state, which is reviewed and reworked by a sub-editor, to remove any conflict and ambiguity with previous reportage, and to fit the available column space, or news-slot available, and finally it is sanctioned by the duty editor, based upon the overall editorial position previously adopted by the news outlet.
In such an environment, “Hot” and “Cold” are indistinct relative terms, and as such, they are meaningless.
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Honest journalism would have said Spring is renown for being turbulent, temperature wise, but importantly conditions will become cooler and wetter over the coming week.
This El Nino feels like a dud.
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Where is the standard El Nino spike for the alarmista to wet their diapers about?
Poor alarmista must be feeling very hard done by! 😉
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GeeANGRY – Media reports on ‘weather events’ are totally exaggerated and in particular by the ABC! Get it!
People who believe otherwise must a patch over one eye and a plug in the other earhole! It’s all climate alarmism!
As for a bad start to the fire season; well the stuff can only burn once!! Lets get it over with I say!!
Geoff W Sydney
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GeeANGRY – Media reports on ‘weather events’ are totally exaggerated and in particular by the ABC! Get it!
People who believe otherwise must have a patch over one eye and a plug in the other earhole! It’s all climate alarmism!
As for a bad start to the fire season; well the stuff can only burn once!! Lets get it over with I say!!
Geoff W Sydney
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Interesting. We certainly can no longer say we haven’t been warned when it all goes pearshaped. 🙂
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what game is Greg Hunt playing?
6 Oct: Reuters: Sonali Paul: Adani faces further delays over Australian coal mine permit
Australia had yet to receive assurances that endangered species would be protected if Adani is reissued with an environmental permit to construct its Carmichael coal mine, the minister, Greg Hunt, said.
“The government is now waiting on the company, and I’ll make a final assessment on its merits when that comes,” Hunt told reporters on the sidelines of a climate investment conference…
An Adani source close to the matter said the company remained commited to the project and was counting on the permit being reissued by late November.
“We always had plans for the ornamental snakes and lizards found there,” the source told Reuters…
Proponents argue the Carmichael mine is needed if Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is to keep a promise to bring electricity to hundreds of millions of people living off the grid…
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/10/06/adani-australia-coal-idUKL3N1261QS20151006
Shell still trying to kill coal:
6 Oct: Reuters: Ron Bousso: Renewables to struggle to replace fossil fuels – Shell CEO
Clean renewable energy will struggle to replace fossil fuels as heavy industries will only gradually wean themselves off coal, oil and gas, Royal Dutch Shell Chief Executive Officer Ben van Beurden is set to say on Tuesday.
In a speech he will make to the annual Oil and Money conference in London, van Beurden will again urge governments to place a price on carbon emissions in order to reduce coal consumption in favour of the less polluting natural gas…
Heavy industry, heavy duty transport and chemical manufacturers will continue to require hydrocarbons to operate, he added…
https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/29729840/renewables-to-struggle-to-replace-fossil-fuels-shell-ceo/
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6 Oct: Saudi Gazette: AFP: India agrees to fast-track German business deals
Narendra Modi on Monday hailed Germany as a “natural partner” of India after signing deals with Angela Merkel on clean energy and speeding up the European powerhouse’s investment in Asia’s third largest economy…
Briefly leaving behind a refugee crisis in Europe, Merkel and her ministers signed 18 deals with India’s government, including on renewable energy and fast-tracking approvals for German companies to operate in India.
“We see Germany as a natural partner in achieving our vision of India’s economic transformation. German strengths and India’s priorities are aligned,” Modi said after meetings lasting three hours with Merkel, who arrived in the capital on Sunday…
The two countries signed agreements worth two billion euros ($2.25 billion) on German investment in developing India’s clean energy corridors and solar energy industry…
But India has rejected calls to curb its heavy reliance on coal for power, instead calling on industrialized country to bear the burden of curbing emissions.
Germany is already India’s most important trading partner in Europe and both Modi and Merkel have said they are keen to increase trade…READ ALL
http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20151006258813
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what a loaded piece this is:
6 Oct: Courier Mail: AAP: Renewables could benefit from Turnbull rhetoric
It’s been just over a week since the now prime minister toppled the rival that ousted him in 2009, Tony Abbott, and while the official line is existing climate policies will stay, the public are hearing other words along with it.
Confidence, growth and opportunity.
The main target of those words is Australia’s renewable energy mix, which includes the same wind turbines that were heavily mocked by key Abbott government members.
Environment Minister Greg Hunt, who kept his job in the reshuffle and has always dodged questions on negative aspects of wind turbines, has been out signalling hope for the clean energy industry.
“The opportunity for flexibility and innovation and for support and growth in the renewable sector … is real and tangible right now,” he told Sky News this week.
“Obviously, under Malcolm Turnbull there’s a deep, long history of support for renewable energy.”
It’s a significant transformation in rhetoric from the “utterly offensive” comments on wind turbines by then-treasurer Joe Hockey and the “visually awful” declaration from Mr Abbott…
The change in rhetoric is viewed by the industry’s peak body, the Clean Energy Council, as “the first green shoots after a long winter.”…
Large scale wind and solar projects require long-term investment, rendering the sector’s survival contingent on bipartisanship – which the sector is cautiously optimistic has returned.
“It feels like Minister Hunt has his back covered now,” Mr Twidell (Clean Energy Council deputy chairman) said…
http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/breaking-news/renewables-could-benefit-from-turnbull-rhetoric/story-fnn9c0gx-1227558257733
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5 Oct: Oil Price: Gaurav Agnihotri: Goldman Sachs, And 35 Other Companies, Target 100% Renewables
So, in an effort to combat climate change, some of the most influential companies in the world have become a part of a green alliance called RE100. RE100 is a conglomerate consisting of around 36 companies (to date) that has been formed with a target of utilizing 100 percent renewable power in their operations. This green alliance is spearheaded by The Climate Group and CDP, and was launched last year in New York with 12 members initially. However, the group is gaining momentum, with companies such as Goldman Sachs, Starbucks, Nike, P&G and Walmart joining the campaign…
Or take Goldman Sachs, the world’s leading investment banking, securities and investment management firm, which aims to go 100 percent renewable by the year 2020. This is a commendable goal, but when we look at the specifics, we find that the firm’s goal may not be quite as impressive as it sounds.
100 percent renewables sounds nice, but what does this actually mean?
When we look at the technical criteria for the RE100 green alliance, we find that the group has its focus on ‘renewable electricity market’ which varies from one country to another…
Taking a closer look at Goldman Sachs, we see that the firm would be pursuing its target by sourcing renewable energy through long-term power purchase agreements. “Because we operate across 178 offices globally, inevitably one of the challenges we expect to face is that in certain locations, renewable energy is not available or economical. In locations where this is not feasible, we will source high-quality, credible renewable energy certificates that enable the development of more renewable energy projects,” said Goldman Sachs Head of Environmental Markets Group, Kyung- Ah Park.
He further went on to say that his company had mobilized close to $33 billion since 2012 in renewable technologies along with setting up a ‘Clean Technology and Renewables Investment Banking’ team…READ ON
http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Goldman-Sachs-And-35-Other-Companies-Target-100-Renewables.html
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“Climate Change is altering the shape of the Planet (blame your car)”
Is that the right way round? I thought climate change was altering the shape of my car.
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Now that I know that my automobile is giving the world a bad case of Cooper’s droop, I’ll have to rethink this driving business altogether.
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Maybe signs of progress?
”
TonyL
October 6, 2015 at 10:54 am
Finally, I see a climate paper which is absolutely correct. And from the notorious PIK, no less.
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Our calculations show that this relatively small part of the Antarctic ice sheet within just 200 years of unabated climate change could contribute up to 40 centimeters to global sea-level rise,” says Mengel.
Historic sea level rise for the last 4 thousand to 6 thousand years is typically given as 8 inches/century or 20 cm/century. So two centuries rise gives 40 cm. Very good.
This is proof that the PIC researchers were able to successfully calculate:
20 * 2 = 40.
News Flash Scientists from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research have demonstrated an ability to do simple multiplication. This is a characteristic which has previously been absent in the Climate Alarmist community.
Future Directions Can partial differential calculus be far behind?”
From comments at
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/06/another-climate-model-predicts-unstoppable-sea-level-rise-from-antarctica-melt/
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I’d just seen that too. Very funny.
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I went out to the garage and gave my car a damned good talking to and it promised to never ever again change the shape of the planet. Problem fixed.
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I often watch an British show on Foxtel called Escape to the Country and they often show the Lake District, the hills and dales of northern England and the Highlands of Scotland and as I see the rounded valleys I always remember my primary school lessons about rounded valleys being caused by glaciers and how the north of England and up was once covered in glaciers.
I wonder what happened to them? Maybe it was the Stone Age revolution caused them to melt. But whatever happened to them they reshaped the earth and we can still that today.
Maybe had these scientists attended the same primary school as I did they wouldn’t be just discovering this now.
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She is from the Department of Geography? During my undergrad years the Department of Geography in the School of Earth Sciences had no one who understood the scientific method or glaciology. Times might have changed since then but accelerating glacial movement is the result of accelerated ice deposition at the source area. Whether this process is linked to warming or not remains moot, but glaciers do not accelerate with warming but actually slowdown and stop flowing, and hence eroding.
But then geographers never really understood the physical sciences.
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