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Now they tell us? Labor says new aggressive Net Zero policy they hid from voters “is popular”

Chris Bowen, Crawford Forum, 2016

By Jo Nova

Deception and lies — the only way the government can get more renewables

The Labor Party  was supposed to tell the whole world their 2035 renewables target in February, but they knew the voters would hate it, so they hid it until after the election. If Chris Bowen thought the voters wanted more renewables spending, obviously, he would have said so to win more votes.

As a part of the sacred Paris Agreement Australia was supposed to announce new Nationally Determined Commitment every five years. That deadline was late February. The world is bursting into flames around us, but the UN didn’t mind if the Labor Party were late, and hid their intentions, and nor did the Greens, or the “Climate Change Authority”. They all sat silent because they all know the voters don’t want it. Ipso Fabricato, all of them serve “The Blob”, not the voters.

Climate Change was virtually invisible during the election, yet the dishonorable Chris ‘Blackout’ Bowen now suddenly says the ‘silent majority’ support him.

Chris Bowen feels ‘silent’ wind at his back on green agenda

by Geoff Chambers. The Australian

Emboldened Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen has doubled down on Labor’s rollout of offshore wind farms, ­renewables and the phase-out of coal-fired power plants in a post-election attack on critics of his green power agenda, who he declares were rejected by Australia’s “silent majority”.

He wasn’t turbocharging anything two weeks ago:

After being sworn in on Tuesday for a second term, Mr Bowen will turbocharge Labor’s clean-energy revolution to achieve the government’s ambitious goal of 82 per cent of renewables in the electricity grid by 2030.

It’s such bad luck: The Climate Change Authority (CCA) just happened to need a few extra weeks of work after the election, before it could reveal the horror show to the hapless Australians who pay their salaries:

The Australian understands the Climate Change Authority is weeks from finalizing its advice on an upgraded 2035 emissions-­reduction target, which will be more aggressive than Labor’s current 2030 pledge to slash emissions by 43 per cent.

Close down these fake agencies of industrial lobbyists like the CCA who serve themselves and not the people. Be gone, o’ parasites of the people, and slime-moulds of bureaucracy!

If Bowen cared about what the people think, he could just, you know,  poll them…

As it happens Essential polling out yesterday shows one issue dominated the election, and it was “cost of living”. More than half of Australian voters ranked it their number one issue, and 87% put it in their top three concerns. And if cost-of-living matters, “renewables” are the opposite. Every time the people are asked “how much do you want to spend on climate change” the answer is next to nothing. An IPA poll in 2022 showed 70% of Australians don’t even want to spend $1 a week to reach Net Zero. (If they knew the real cost they already pay, they would riot in the streets).

Essential poll May 13, 2025. Most important Election issue:

Most important issues for the new government to act on

The voters are crystal clear, and 100% consistent — when asked what they want the government to do, they said they want the government to reduce the cost of living, solve the housing crisis, fix medicare, crime and immigration more than they want Labor to fix “the climate”. 80% of Australians didn’t even put climate in their top three issues.  Essential poll

Poll Most important issues for the new government to act on

Nearly 6 out ten voters think Labour shouldn’t do anything it didn’t already spell out in the election:

Labor Mandate. Poll Australia. 2025.

How’s that for a mandate for you Chris? If you didn’t talk about turbocharging the targets before the election, you are either stupid, or a liar? Or both. The voters do not approve.

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97 comments to Now they tell us? Labor says new aggressive Net Zero policy they hid from voters “is popular”

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    Skepticynic

    Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
    Confirms my expectations.

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      Geoff

      The higher penetration of solar is forcing more solar and batteries to get off the grid.

      Just who is going to pay for the grid?

      Its not industry. They are closing. As they close the load will fall. It will fall to the point when government has to add load.

      Its not going to be housing. They are being forced onto solar panels then batteries. They will start disconnecting.

      Anyone leasing, renting or locked into use via contracts are going to get the grid bill.

      The grid can only exist if its paid more and more by the tax payer. Who owns the grid, the poles and wires?

      Government will make the grid bigger while it makes it unaffordable, more complicated and unworkable. They have created a new tax.

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        RickWill

        Blackout has set about socialising the grid. The high cost of intermittent generation will be funded by taxpayers and money creation. Both will fuel inflation and lower the standard of living.

        It is not yet economic for households to go off grid. The leeches with solar and battery use the grid as an insurance policy; only drawing power from the grid when the sun does not shine for a couple of days.

        The collapse of the grid was inevitable once intermittent generation was permitted access on far more favourable terms than dispatchable generation.

        Texas has made it law that all generators must be dispatchable. That law will kill any new grid scale wind and solar generators.

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    Sean

    Chris Bowen feels ‘silent’ wind at his back on green agenda

    We’ve known about it for decades; that’s why it’s called an ‘SBD’ (“Silent but Deadly”)… Just blowing gas.

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      Lawrie

      He mistakes his own gas for approval. The old saying of a ‘rat smells himself first’ is holding true. Chris is the most dangerous man in Albo’s government, more so than even Grim Jim with his taxes.

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        Ted1

        2There are two aspects for climate change/global warming. 1. The actual climate, and w. The money that has been invested in it.

        The climate should be undertood from te research that has developed the science. The money doesn’t have much to do with the science at all. The money was invested with the expectation of a return on investment, whatever the source.

        Many of our investors, including pension funds, are foreigners.

        What might they say or do if their investments were to, instead of giving a return as promised, collapse?

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      OldOzzie

      Even More Frightening – he has his own Article in The Australian Commentray Section which I did NOT Open

      The reality is suburbia and the bush love renewables

      Conservative commentators – who don’t actually spend much time in our regional heartlands – don’t understand just how popular solar panels, batteries and EVs are out there in voter land.

      CHRIS BOWEN

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      William

      You beat me to it John – I was going to warn people standing behind him, and downwind!

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    Just a thought

    Bezos is pushing his Helios, nuclear fusion product. Does it have a future or is it just another “Turnbull” type project.
    Alternatively is the concept of piping water from FNQ to the Hume Weir still a possibility.
    It could be funded by installing inline electricity generators to cover 40-50 towns on the journey, and eliminate the wind/solar boondoggle

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      Skepticynic

      I checked the map, it’s downhill all the way!

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      David Maddison

      Does it have a future or is it just another “Turnbull” type project.

      If it was a Turnbull project he would be throwing away taxpayer money on certain failure. He would not risk one cent of his own.

      At least Bezos is using his own money.

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    David Maddison

    Gosh, how much more aggressive can the destruction of our energy supply become?

    Most of our industry is already shut down and much of what remains is heavily subsidised.

    Domestic consumers have some of the world’s most expensive electricity when it used to be among the cheapest.

    And Jo has previously reported here that our grid would already be suffering regular failures were it not for large amounts of taxpayer money paid to the aluminium smelters for the ability to shed their loads at will, apart from the fact that they wouldn’t be here at all but for other taxpayer subsidies.

    Again, this deception of not revealing this insane fast-tracked Net Zero policy before the election just proves what psychopathic pathological liars Labor and the Left are. Not that these lies were any surprise. That’s what they do every time they open their mouths.

    Net Zero is not science, it’s a LEFTIST RELIGIOUS CULT.

    You can have an industrial economy or Net Zero but not both.

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    David Maddison

    If Dutton and the Liberals actually believed in something they could have won the election and saved us from this.

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      TdeF

      Susan Ley is completely at sea with ‘Carbon Emissions’. Likely knows no chemistry at all.

      Born in Nigeria, a very qualified financial person, pilot’s licence, mother and even camp cook in the outback. Well grounded and can add and clearly a hard determined no nonsense person. Very logical and can fly. And done the very toughest jobs including as a mother, so she can relate.

      What is needed is to make her aware firstly of the pointlessness and secondly of the incredible cost of reducing “carbon emissions’ by theft and why Donald Trump and Nigel Farage are spot on. 95% of the world do not pay for Carbon Credits. And no country has a 35% Carbon tax on all industry as in Australia. Nothing humans can do changes Carbon Dioxide. This gas is controlled by the vast oceans on the scale, not human activity.

      Carbon taxes are illegal, benefit China and not Australia, pointless and the most massive tax on breathing and working and even farting since governments invented taxes. They are destroying Australian. And the dismantling of Climate Change would unite all workers, farmers, sensible people behind a resurgence of the Liberal Party like no other issue.

      We need to get her attention. in terms of leading the Liberal party to victory, it is the most important issue. And a quick examination of the carbon scams is the fastest way to show how Australia is being destroyed, silently. The appalling Safeguard Mechanism is almost never mentioned. But a qualified accountant would pull it to pieces.

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        TdeF

        “the Liberals actually believed in something”

        They could believe Climate Change is a hoax. As the President of America has declared. He is spot on.

        And then realise how crippling and deep and hidden the Chinese Communist plot against Australia is.

        Wuhan Flu, steel, crippling power supplies, coal extortion, tariffs, naval show of strength. Australia is being destroyed by a very compliant Green/Labor coalition, as with Canada and the UK. Balance of trade, jobs, massive debt and debt as a ratio with GDP. Massive unsuited migration. Refusing proven farmers from South Africa and accepting 3,000 trained insurgents from Gaza even the Arab countries would not accept. Australia is becoming a third world country by the actions of the Federal government. And the cost is massive. From the desalination plants still being paid off to Snowy II.

        There is plenty of proof that Climate Change is a hoax. That CO2 is good for the world and nothing to do with ’emissions’. Even NASA agrees. And has proven natural CO2 increases the food supply and is pushing back the deserts, growing trees. A farmer would know that.

        And the endless bans on dams and mining exploration. Even a gold mine with the absurd blue banded bee. Made up aboriginal names for cities. Unbelievable stupidity and control by a cadre of inner city greedy Greens. Destroying manufacturing and farming and water. QUENOS. Capel Prince windmills. Cars. Aircraft. So many companies going under or just closed by carbon taxes. So many opportunities not being exploited, oil, gas, fracking, shale.

        My first impression of Susan Ley was that she was completely ignorant of the scam. But she is perfectly qualified to lead the charge against the Greens by using raw facts and exposing the massive illegal theft through invisible carbon credits. Repealing all the Laws and shutting down the endless Clean Energy departments blossoming in Canberra and everywhere while Australians are losing their jobs and mining and farming are being crippled. Even taxing going to the toilet. Farmers are having to turning to mad carbon credits to try and make a living by growing trees and not growing food. It has to stop.

        With our small population and massive often untapped resources, Australia should be one of the the richest countries in the world, like Saudi Arabia.

        But like Argentina, Canada, even the UK, we are being shut down by Climate Change and the UN and China. It’s just so obvious. And fully supported by power hungry opportunists and China fans Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard, Bill Shorten, Anthony Albanese, Daniel Andrews, Malcolm Turnbull, Scott Morrison, Paul Keating and Chris Bowen. Make Australia Last is the universal chant of these Greedy Malcontents and fifth columnists.

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          TdeF

          Susan Ley has not worked her way through the Labor Party machine. Or the Liberal party machine. She could be a real force for change. Right now she needs help. And there is so much to do. Woke, massive debt, a collapsing economy and a public service determined to destroy the place. Out of control NDIS. But start with Climate Change. The savings here alone could kick start the economy and pay down the debt and build the dams and explore for and exploit gas and coal and shale. I cannot believe the cost of desalination or Snowy II or the Big Build in Victoria or distribution lines for windmills and solar. Just stop it all. Make Australia Great Again.

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        David Maddison

        She might be educable, or might not be.

        It depends if the Liberals decide to move even further to the Left, in which case they might as well merge with Labor and we become a one party state, which we more less are already.

        I have little to no confidence of her changing her position.

        We need a conservative party, probably from the merger of existing minor conservative parties.

        Surely enough people can see sense to vote for a real conservative party?

        If Australians can’t see any sense in abandoning Net Zero do they even deserve to have a wealthy country anymore?

        How could they have voted for Labor, as bad as the Liberals were?

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          Mooka

          I spoke with Sussan 18 months ago at the Henty Machinery Field Days and she assured me that the Liberals would never win another election anywhere unless they had a net zero policy.
          Our discussion of the stupidity and gutlessness of this stance got a little heated.
          I also spoke to a littleproud and he said that we all know that it’s bullshit but we have to go along with it or the money lenders will have threatened to charge us an extra 3% for the money we have borrowed.

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            David Maddison

            the money lenders will have threatened to charge us an extra 3% for the money we have borrowed.

            This is an often repeated claim but is there any proof of that? International finance is competitive. We go to the one offering the lowest interest rate.

            And I’d be willing to bet they aren’t charging the United States or China an extra three percent.

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              David Maddison

              I have done a bit of a search and can find no evidence of an extra three percent charge on interest if a country doesn’t implement Net Zero.

              Grok says, using the search term “Do banks charge an extra three percent on interest if a country doesn’t implement Net Zero?”:

              Do banks charge an extra three percent on interest if a country doesn’t implement Net Zero?

              There’s no evidence or policy in place from banks globally that imposes a blanket extra 3% interest charge on loans specifically because a country doesn’t implement Net Zero policies. Interest rates are typically set based on a variety of factors, including central bank policies, market conditions, credit risk, and loan terms, rather than a direct penalty for a country’s climate policies.

              However, some context from available information suggests banks are increasingly factoring climate-related risks into their lending decisions. For instance, banks that are part of the Net-Zero Banking Alliance (NZBA) have committed to aligning their lending portfolios with net-zero emissions by 2050, which could influence how they assess risk for clients in high-emission sectors or countries with weaker climate policies. Some studies indicate that banks might charge higher interest rates to firms with high carbon emissions due to perceived long-term risks, but this is not standardized at a 3% premium and varies by institution and region. For example, a 2023 study noted that some lenders charge relatively higher rates to polluting firms, but there’s no universal rule tying this to a country’s Net Zero status.

              On the flip side, the idea of a specific 3% surcharge seems unlikely without clear regulatory or industry-wide mandates, as banks operate competitively and such a policy would need coordination or public disclosure. Developing countries, for instance, face higher borrowing costs due to perceived risk, but this is more tied to economic factors than climate policy alone. If this 3% figure comes from a specific claim or source, it might be worth checking for misinterpretation or isolated cases, as no broad data supports this exact penalty.

              If you have a particular country, bank, or source in mind, I can dig deeper or analyze related content for you.

              So it looks like this oft-repeated claim is a lie told by weasel politicians to justify the destruction of our economy and energy supply.

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                TdeF

                Yes, the big lenders have been trying to determine public policy. But their threat doesn’t scare Donald Trump one little bit. The very idea of banks/superannuation funds using their power to control government policy is real but becoming history, rejected by State Treasuries across the US.

                Ultimately the borrower has choices and can penalize the banks and financiers as well. Governments are not without power or financial weapons.

                Specifically a large group of the US State Treasurers simply refuse to use funds from groups who set political conditions on lending. This is changing the game. State Governments also control vast superannuation funds apart from recurrent expenditure. And now that they have a financially conservative Federal government, its a different story. Blackrock, Accel-KKR, .. are backing down fast.

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            TdeF

            Well the weak wet wilful Liberals under Turnbull, Morrison, Dutton ignored their supporters utterly and had a net zero policy and were wiped out. “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results“.

            If Susan wants to succeed and lead the Liberals out of the wilderness, she needs to start from scratch, be different, align with the US and the vast waste of public and private money is a very good place for a degreed economist to start, perhaps the best. Besides, what choice does she have? The Liberals are indistinguishable from Labor/Greens/Teals.

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              TdeF

              Have the Liberals ever considered it is not up to them to set policy? But their supporters? Otherwise the sheeple vote for someone else, anyone else. And in a preferential world where no one has more than 34%, those lost votes cost a lot of seats.

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            TdeF

            Or maybe she is just a true believer? The UN would not lie to us. Even with the Wuhan Flu. It came on an American army frozen chicken to the Wuhan games in November 2019. The Wuhan Military Virus Laboratory experiments on bat flu were just coincidental. And Climate Change is all our fault too, despite China producing nearly half of all CO2 emissions.

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            Ronin

            “we have to go along with it or the money lenders will have threatened to charge us an extra 3% for the money we have borrowed.”

            Can’t help thinking that is an empty threat.

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            el+gordo

            Tim Wilson would be a good shadow energy minister, but we’ll have to wait and see whether the Coalition gets divorced.

            ‘Liberals and Nationals have questioned the future of that alliance, pointing to the possibility that the parties could sit separately in opposition.

            ‘The question needs to be resolved before Ms Ley can settle a frontbench, since it will determine whether there are any Nationals involved, and if so, how many.’ (ABC)

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          Ronin

          “How could they have voted for Labor, as bad as the Liberals were?”

          Simple, free stuff.

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      OldOzzie

      Nuclear is the long game and should be brought into Australia’s Forward Planning (Is there such a thing?)

      Reality, is planning for the building of HELE Coal Fired Power Plants on the Site of previous phased out, or scheduled to be phased out, existing sites where Transmission Lines are already in place

      High-efficiency low-emissions (HELE) coal power plants are being installed in various countries around the world in 2025

      As of July 2024, China had the highest installed capacity of coal power plants, with 1,147.23 gigawatts, more than five times the operational capacity of coal plants in the United States, which ranked third.

      The cost of building new HELE plants in Australia was estimated at $2.2 million per MW or $2.2 billion for 1000 MW capacity, based on savings from utilizing a brownfield site and sourcing specialized equipment from Asia.

      China: Has the highest installed capacity of coal power plants, with 1,147.23 gigawatts as of July 2024.

      United States: Ranks third in installed capacity of coal power plants.

      India: Has more than 200 coal power plants as of 2023.

      The cost of construction for a modern HELE or ultra-supercritical (USC) black coal plant is estimated at $2.2 million per MW or $2.2 billion for 1000 MW capacity.

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        OldOzzie

        Interesting – Given Spain & Portugal re Inertia

        The King Island Renewable Energy Integration Project (KIREIP) provides a glimpse of what’s achievable in renewable energy.

        Currently 60% Diesel was 98% Diesel at 0700 yesterday but at least they understand Inertia

        You’re seeing in real time the dashboard for our King Island renewable energy solution.

        It is based on contributions from wind and solar and the enabling technologies that improve system security and reliability, such as battery, dynamic resister, flywheel and demand side management.

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          TdeF

          Amazing. 40 South, latitude of Madrid. Sunny. Very windy in the Roaring Forties and still 93% diesel!

          Can you imagine this setup in winter in Glasgow or Copenhagen or Moscow at 56 North?

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          RicDre

          European Blackout Update (yes, it was solar)

          From MasterResource

          By Robert Bradley Jr.

          Jonas Kristiansen Nøland, associate professor at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology, has a verdict on the Iberian Peninsula blackout. His take follows:

          Recent evidence indicates that Europe’s worst blackout, occurring in the Iberian Peninsula, originated from an unstable power grid. This instability likely triggered the cascading chain of events that followed.

          The likely root cause of these undamped “inter-area oscillations” was the inherently low inertia of the Spanish power grid at midday, with approximately 70% of generation provided by inverter-based solar and wind. Such renewable sources lack the spinning reserve needed to effectively resist frequency oscillations.

          Could the reliability of the Iberian Peninsula grid be ensured by introducing new technical solutions? Technically, yes—but economically, the feasibility is more challenging.

          https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/05/13/european-blackout-update-yes-it-was-solar/

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          Jon Rattin

          RenewEconomy are celebrating KI running on 100% renewables for 33 hours straight. Out of how many hours over the years exactly? Is there a graph showing how much diesel they’ve used long-term?
          https://reneweconomy.com.au/king-island-achieves-100-renewables-for-33-hours-straight-29812/

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    Eric Worrall

    So ridiculous – doubling down on failure .

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      Brenda Spence

      And all for nothing!

      I did some rough calculations using AI.

      CO2 is currently 420 parts per million
      95% caused by nature, 5% by man
      Of man’s 5%, 4.5% is Australia’s contribution

      5% of 420ppm = 21ppm

      4.5% (Aust portion) of 21ppm = 0.0945ppm

      We are destroying the economy for contributing LESS THAN 1 PART PER MIĹLION!

      PS can anyone see where these calcs are wrong?

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        Graeme4

        Sounds about right, although I would say 4%, not 5%. Also I would claim that even that 4% figure is too high. I believe that the percentage of claimed man-made CO2 in the atmosphere works out at one molecule out of 79,000 CO2 atmospheric gas molecules. Perhaps an analogy would be one spectator at a grand final footy match claiming that they can control the crowd.

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    David Maddison

    What do most of the simpletons and wokesters promoting this nonsense have in common?

    They are usually public serpents, politicians or fake anti-intellectual, anti-science “academics” or CSIRO “scientists”. All Leftists. All funded by the taxpayer and all on generous fully indexed salaries and generous pension plans. None of them suffer from the high cost of living brought about by expensive “green” energy. They can fulfil their Leftist ideological fantasies at the expense of the taxes of hard working people plus vast amounts of money the government is borrowing (which sooner or later will run out but nevertheless has to be repaid by working people).

    Or they are profiting directly from subsidy-harvesting using wind, solar and Big Battery plantations.

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    TIP

    Im old enough to remember the 2019 Federal Election – “the election on climate change”

    Australians rejected the climate change agenda, we were done with it, we put it to bed – ever since, the only “advancement” of this garbage is via corrupted, sleight of hand politics

    KING of which, was the then newly victorious “conservative” governments adoption of left climate policy AFTER the election !!??!!?

    Then there was their covid behavior………….

    NOT a conservative bone in the Liberal Partys body.

    I cannot see a future where the Liberal Party play a role in saving Australia from this leftist dystopia we rocket toward.

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      Bruce

      “NOT a conservative bone in the Liberal Partys body.”

      The “Liberal party”, went aquishy with Billy McMahonm then Corporate-Statist, with Malcomm Fraser. Sliding further into the abyss with each electoral cycls.

      I doubt that there is a single member of that rock-show who has a scintilla of a clue about ACTUAL “liberalism”, as opposed to the determinedly fascistic / corporate-statist US “liberal” model. The word “conservative” is pretty much a joke, too. Look at the sovist mpodel. There was only ONE path up the mountain; NO “deviation” was tolerated. REAL “conservatism”. Socialist-Realist “arts”, Stalinist-Gothic architcture

      Sound familiar?

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    Neville

    Just about everything yapped by B O Bowen, Albo and Labor is a delusional fantasy. Here’s what the 3 Universities + Nous report really tells us……

    “Australia will need nearly three terrawatts, or 3,000 gigawatts, of wind and solar if it is to meet its goal of a net zero economy by 2030, a plan that could cost up to $9 trillion, according to a new study”.

    “The astonishing numbers are revealed in a new report – Net Zero Australia – put together by Melbourne University, the University of Queensland, and the Nous Group, and released on Wednesday”.

    “To put the 3,000 gigawatts of wind and solar in some context, Australia currently only has about 30GW of large scale wind and solar across the country. So it has a lot to do”.

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    no name man

    I hate to be fatalistic but Australia is cooked. We need someone like DJT to step up to the plate instead of pathetic excuses for politicians and little blokes with huge ego’s.

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      Vicki

      That man is Matt Canavan.

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        el+gordo

        A honest politician with integrity. few and far between.

        “I will not serve in a ministry that supports a policy of net zero emissions, because I want to keep taking up the fight and the battle against that. I’ve been doing that ever since we adopted this ridiculous proposal a few years ago,” Matt Canavan said.

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    Uber

    Follow the money. Bowen is no idealist.

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    David Maddison

    I observed and experienced a Net Zero lifestyle in the Himalayan mountains of Nepal remote from grid connections.

    If people have electricity at all, they will have a small solar panel to charge a battery to provide some low wattage LED lighting and perhaps a bit of power to charge a phone. But only until the battery goes flat.

    I carried my own electricity for my devices in the form of lithium ion battery packs.

    Heating is non-existent except the paying adventurers like me might have the luxury of a wood burning stove in the common area for 2 to 3 hours at night.

    Cooking is over a wood or dung fire. The guest house proprietors wash dishes and cooking utensils in cold water with no detergent as detergent doesn’t work in cold water and most people (tourists) have constant diarrhoea due to the inability to clean utensils from contamination.

    Very rarely there might be solar hot water for a shower but that runs out after one or two showers and that’s only in the lower altitude areas anyway, and luke warm, gravity fed low pressure.

    No hot water for washing. No hot showers. No refrigeration. No TV. No heated rooms. No electrical labour saving devices like pumps to convey water. That was either brought by bucket or gravity fed from higher up.

    Not an aspirational lifestyle for a Westerner except for Himalayan adventures. Not the lifestyle I want to live in suburban Melbournistan.

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      David Maddison

      Incidentally at those high altitudes there are no trees so wood is carried up the mountains on the backs of men or donkeys. Indeed everything is carried up, there are no roads.

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        TdeF

        And it’s very hard to heat the water, as I found in Colorado at a mere 6,000′ (2,000 metres) I wanted tea, but no one sold a kettle. And the coffee was always tepid but at least was made with a boiler and high pressure. You cannot get a hot coffee.

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        David Maddison

        Also, the solar powered cell phone service which delivered internet services typically finished at about 9pm when the cell tower batteries went flat.

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      John Connor II

      Not an aspirational lifestyle for a Westerner

      Oh, I don’t know.
      Off the grid, independent power, away from people, a cosy fire (dog optional but desirable), starry nights, down to Earth people, open fire cooking, a solar shower.
      Heat water for cooking/washing etc from the fire. All sitting around a giant open fire talking to each other not playing with phones.
      Paradise for a lot of people.

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    Ross

    What’s the bet Ley and Littleproud (new leaders of Australia’s opposition political parties) either provide no comment or actually support new emissions targets?

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    David Maddison

    The Australian Government hates the ordinary people (non-Elites).

    The favoured ones are politicians, public serpents, fake government “scientists”, fake university “academics”, union thugs, professional parasites, and subsidy harvesters.

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    Neville

    Interesting that Richard Bolt is also with the Nous Group of Consultants and is a younger brother of Andrew Bolt and he has previously headed 3 state govt departments and obviously believes in Labor’s BS and fantasies about net zero etc.
    Here’s his profile from the Victorian Chamber of Commerce.

    https://www.victorianchamber.com.au/profile/richard-bolt#:~:text=Richard%20Bolt%20is%20a%20Principal%20of%20Nous%20Group%2C,most%20granular%20analysis%20of%20pathways%20to%20net%20zero.

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    Penguinite

    Thanks Albo-Tross and BO Bowen! Households are spending billions in upgrading to more, supposedly, sustainable and energy-efficient products, but it is an attempt to lower their electricity bills over environmental concerns.

    By virtue of the fact you kept BO Bowen under-wraps for the duration of the election cycle We should have known you were lying

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    geo832

    What the WEF wants the WEF gets, They own both parties and the election was a sham. Any illusion of ‘We the People” is dead in Australia. Political laziness and complacency has it’s consequences.

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    Neville

    Another very important fact we all forget is that toxic, unreliable W & S will not last longer than 15 to 20 years and must be replaced many times while reliable BASELOAD, Nuclear power stns will last until 2100.
    Therefore Nuclear’s full cost of 0.15 trillion $ is tiny and very cheap compared to up to 9 TRILLION $ from the 3 Uni’s study.
    Of course many more TRILLIONS of $ for W & S replacement costs. And what is the full cost after destroying 28,000 klms of our land and sea environments?

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      David Maddison

      Yes.

      Renewables are not a one-time investment. They require constant replacement which makes their cost even higher than their already ridiculously high cost.

      A coal, gas, nuclear or real hydro (not SH2) plant will last a minimum of 50 years at least and usually much more.

      The Nine Mile Point Unit 1, Turkey Point 3&4 and Surry 1&2 nuclear plants in the US have license approvals to extend their life to 80 years, for example. That’s the life of about 5 windmill replacements.

      And unlike wind and solar they will be producing environmentally friendly, inexpensive reliable power at constant output levels with no expensive battery storage for the entire time with only occasional downtime for maintenance.

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        jelly34

        Well,there’s at least one wind farm down Port Fairy in Western Victoria that is nearing its use by date and the owners aren’t going to rebuild it because it’s TOO EXPENSIVE to rebuild and compliance it.So we can expect a lot more of them to fall over.

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          Strop

          Interesting. Do you have the info that shows a decision has been made not to rebuild/renovate and why?
          Also whether it means dismantling and if the operators are paying for the cleanup or its being left to the landowners/farmers?

          Thanks.

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          Graeme4

          What I believe were Australia’s first wind systems, at Esperance WA, were shut down after only 15 year’s operation. No statement from Synergy as to why they weren’t replaced, as Esperance is a windy location. Not sure what happened to the towers, one of the turbines went to a TAFE college, and I believe that the blades were just dumped in the Sandhills. The sites were offered to the local council as hilltop car parks.

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    Penguinite

    We discover the miserable truth behind The Liberal Party that, firstly, failed to fire in the election cycle and now give the boot to their two best Liberalists for a low down Ley down. As accomplished as SS Sussan is she and her deputy, Ted O’Brien, are more Labor lite than that we need right now! TOB comes with qualifications from The University of Queensland, National Taiwan Normal University (WTHIT}, London School of Economics and wait for it University of Melbourne. None of which inspire. If this is the best they can do it’s going to be a long three years

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    Neville

    GROK AI tells us that the new Nuclear power stns recently built around the world are well within the Coalition’s range.
    And the more you build the cheaper the costs of the individual power stations.

    https://grok.com/?ref=aiartweekly

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    Penguinite

    It looks like nuclear power is once again becoming popular not just in the U.S., but globally.

    Even Taiwan is easing restrictions on Nuclear!
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/taiwans-legislature-passes-bill-easing-restrictions-nuclear-power
    But blinkers and earmuffs on for Albo-Tross and BO Bowen not to mention the Labor Lite Liberals

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    Rowjay

    Thanks to the Miskelly Anero.id site, we can all see just how much of a renewables fossil-fueled superpower SA is this morning – 1.2 GW dispatchable of 1.5 GW total from the life-saving ff technology.

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    Paulie

    Sometimes, you just have to let stupid people do the stupid thing you tried very hard to stop them doing!

    For Chris Bowen, the only way forward is to let him waste trillions of dollars and have him fall flat on his face when the grid collapses, despite all the obsequious pandering by AEMO and the bureaucrats in all those climate change agencies.

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    David Maddison

    When Australia inevitably suffers a major grid collapse, I bet the politicians’ spinmeisters and Lamestream Media already have their excuses worked out and will blame some external agency like TRUMP, the Liberal Party or Russians.

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      John Connor II

      1. It was a rare atmospheric event.
      2. The russkies did it.
      3. The Chinese did it.
      4. Teething troubles; there were bound to be some.

      No going back now. Lifestyle changes looming.
      But if we tax you more, we can fix it!

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    Neville

    I suppose we should tease out that “up to 9 TRILLION $” cost of W & S?
    The Coalition’s cost could range from 0.115 trillion $ up to 0.150 trillion $.
    So toxic W & S could be about 78 times higher than the Coalition’s BASELOAD Nuclear cost of 0.115 trillion $ or up to 60 times higher if the Nuclear cost was 0.150 trillion $.
    Anyone still believe that toxic, unreliable W & S is a great idea?

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    Here we are grousing about Chris Bowen again. Voters had their chance to get rid of Albanese’s Trotskyite Labour government with three years of Chris Bowen wrecking our energy system as a taster. Now we’re back for the full course. Evidently most voters are so dumbed down that they’ve volunteered for another three years hard Labour. People keep blaming Dutton and the lacklustre Liberals. Dumbed down voters failed to reason that even a so-called Labour-lite Dutton government would have been far better than another three years of heavy Socialist Labour.

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    TdeF

    Sorry, I just checked Sussan Ley’s time in opposition. Only the last two appointments.

    Minister for the Environment from 29.5.2019 to 23.5.2022.
    Cabinet Minister from 29.5.2019 to 23.5.2022.

    She looks incorrigible on Climate Change and Net zero. In total agreement even as Cabinet Minister and now Leader of the opposition. It wasn’t Peter Dutton. It was Susan Ley all along. Blow up those power stations. According to Sussan, it’s the only way to get elected.

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    Lance

    Let’s see how “popular” NetZero is when the grid fails.

    Reality has the final vote.

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      Bozotheclown

      I’d say reality has the veto.

      All I know is I don’t like being cold. Price me out of warm and I’m likely to be unpredictable maybe even dangerous.

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    exsteelwork

    SUCKED IN AUSTRALIANS. Now enjoy ever increasing energy costs because everyone knows..EXPENSIVE ENERGY EXPENSIVE EVERYTHING. 🤣🤣🤣 Oh, and CCP made ruinables as far as the eye can SEA..😂😂😂

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    Look at the CO2 data freely available on the Internet. It shows that the CO2 concentration changes with the Seasons, the phases of the Moon, the El Nino cycle and more. All changes where temperature determines the CO2 concentration due to its affect on life forms. As the temperature rises life proliferates and CO2 decreases. As temperature falls, life forms decay and die and CO2 increases. The exact opposite to the lies promoted by the UN IPCC in order to claim that the World needs a ‘One World Government’ ie Communism.

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    Ross

    Jo is right, the ALP and Bowen will hit the road running and make all sorts of radical policy announcements in double quick time. I’m fairly convinced Daniel Andrews had some part in the federal ALP election campaign. His Victorian state campaigns consisted of ad hominem attacks on the LNP, outright lies and lots of free stuff. That sums up Albanese’s campaign to me. DA’s first steps after election/ re-election was to hit hard and fast. So, don’t be surprised if Bowen pushes ahead with off-shore wind, more solar panels and possibly even crazier schemes. Will the ALP take note of the reverse winds out of the US and Europe? I doubt it, they will claim they were voted in with a mandate to fulfill their policies. We Aussies are in for a rough ride.

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    Geoffrey Williams

    It’s all very well to blame China again. But the reality is that it is our fellow Australians at the Clean Energy Regulator (ACCU) who are ripping us all off. Indeed I have met some of these people who work for the Clean Energy Regulator and they are living The ‘Life of Riley’ travelling around Australia and the world, all on their frequent flyer points and may I add with their spouses accompanying them. And same goes for our politicians who are too busy building their careers to care. They know nothing about chemistry, physics nor CO2 for that matter (it’s all too hard for them). They are onto a good thing so why change?
    Nor would I put any hope in Susan Ley, sorry to say. So the next 3 years will be all downhill as Albo and his sidekick Chris Bowen lead Australia down the gurgler.
    China may be our only hope . .

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    Ronin

    Just think, the rats are going to be with us for at least another six years, unless the really foul up which is on the cards, time for a competent opposition.

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    Neville

    I’ll try labor’s lies and BS about the Coalition’s BASELOAD Nuclear cost of 600 billion $, against Labor’s lunacy of up to 9 TRILLION $ for TOXIC, UNRELIABLE W & S.
    Just divide 0.6 trillion into 9 trillion and it still shows W & S costs 15 times more than BASELOAD Nuclear energy.
    Of course Nuclear has a CF of 93% and generates 24/7/365 for at least 3 times longer than UNRELIABLE,TOXIC W & S and we don’t have to DESTROY the environment FOREVER, unlike the W & S disasters.
    Does anyone not understand these very simple sums?

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    David Maddison

    Here is a very good video by Topher Field about Sussan Ley.

    I’ve been following Sussan Ley’s career for 14 years and I can tell you she is not the solution for the Liberal Party, she is the embodiment of the problem.

    If the next elections is to decide between an Prime Minister Albanese or a Prime Minister Ley, then the people of Australia have already lost.

    https://youtu.be/l1ipSyu_HTk

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    ianl

    Most people who comment here seem not to understand, or at least admit, the very clear pattern that has developed in Aus over the last 30+ years.

    This last election, a sufficient majority voted for the Spanish experience (which occurred some days before the actual vote). So how did 34% primary achieve 90+ seats but 33% primary struggle to make maybe 50 ?

    The preferences, of course. A whole tranche of “independents” (of which the Teals are only one part) were spread across many electorates with the express purpose of harvesting as many preferences as possible for the ALP, with Climate Change as the driving factor. And this worked well enough. Any anti Climate Change candidates got short shrift preferences. Sufficient numbers believe, irrespective of any science or hard fact refutations, or the money source backing these independents. Fait accompli.

    But there’s worse. Not only is there absolutely no evidence that a significant proportion of the Aus middle class are inclined to revolt against this global bureaucracy, but the hard evidence is that increasing numbers are actually aiming towards becoming one of these myriad bureaucrats. That’s why the “independents” harvested such large preference numbers – they appealed explicitly to the middle class urge for safety.

    Doubtless a counter argument will be that the cost of living, job closures, energy bills etc will cause disgruntled revolt. Not with never-ending subsidies funded by printing money, combined with an increasing proportion of the electorate scrambling to become one of the bureaucracies.

    Sure, China is aware of these trends and watching their progress like a hawk. Foreclosing on Aus debt is at least a real possibility.

    Here is a challenge for those inclined to robust but delusional optimism. First read through a header article here then the typical comments. Follow this immediately with a jaunt through the AFR (Fin Review). The change in galaxy is astounding to rational analysis; it simply cannot be the same galaxy.

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