Germany: You will own a car and a heater but you can’t use them

Fantasy, floating, home, house, sky, mountain, surreal, dystopia.

By Jo Nova

Oh the irony — Green heat pumps and EV’s will need to be curtailed on a Green Grid

We’re watching the real time collapse of parts of the “Climate Industry” in on itself. The left eats its own. The EV’s and heat pumps the German government was coercing people to use are so incompatible with unreliable expensive energy, they will be among the first appliances to be restricted in the new clean green economy.

The truth is — Solar and wind power can’t power EV’s. In Germany the network regulator is working on ways to limit electricity to hungry EV’s and heat pumps so they don’t crash the grid.

The federal grid agency will throttle the charging power so EV’s will get just enough charge for a 50 kilometer trip from two hours of charging. Home owners will be offered a discount if they give control of their chargers to the government. Effectively the rich will charge their car or turn on their heater whenever they want. The poor will “save” €110 to €190 they never needed to spend with their old car or their old heater, and go withou electricity at peak times.

EV chargers, heat pumps may be curtailed in Germany as of 2024

By Nikolaus J. Kurmayer | Euractiv.com

Germany’s residential grid operators will be empowered to restrict the flow of power to heat pumps and electric vehicle (EV) chargers from 2024 in order to preserve the stability of the grid, which is suffering from chronic underinvestment.

Did you see what they did there? Renewable energy requires a massive new infrastructure and network build to connect up low density energy collectors. Saying that the grid is suffering “chronic underinvestment” implies this new and unnecessary cost was somehow meant to have been built and paid for already. They blame the grid for not already solving the failures of wind and solar power.

This also applies to EV’s and heat pumps. It was obvious they would need more electricity, so this is a belated ploy to blame “investors” effectively for not building the coal and nuclear plants, they weren’t allowed to build, in order to keep the EV’s and heat pumps running…

Across Europe, investments into grids are lagging behind what’s needed as the continent embraces heat pumps and electric vehicles.

“Waiting time for permits for grid reinforcements are between 4-10 years, and 8-10 years for high voltages,” the European Commission said on Tuesday (28 November) as it unveiled a new Action Plan to accelerate the deployment of electricity grids.

“Grids need to be an enabler, not a bottleneck in the clean energy transition,” said Kadri Simson, the EU’s energy commissioner.

Blaming the grid is code for “blaming the taxpayer” for not already giving the Green industry all the things it needs so it can make a profit.

You will own nothing and feel grateful to get any electricity at all…

Car stick in snow

Australia, this is our future if we keep following Germany.

h/t NetZeroWatch

Floating rock house image by Reto Scheiwiller  |  

Frozen Jeep by (Joenomias) Menno de Jong

 

 

 

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100 comments to Germany: You will own a car and a heater but you can’t use them

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    Raving

    Solar is taking over the renewable energy market. Really inexpensive electrons! Australia feels the brunt of this with a heavy investment in rooftop solar. Australia knows what is going to happen … Increasing dependence on solar with an increasing volatility in power supply.

    Germany will go solar and have an increasingly unreliable power supply. Heat and EV charging during the day Brass monkey weather at night.

    Gets even more fun when solar provides greather than 100% during the day. Full power on cloudy days so even less need for base load.

    And wind just throws haphazard supply into the market.

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      James Murphy

      Not “really inexpensive electrons” when one has to go from paying a supply charge and some amount for the electricity used, to spending thousands to install and maintain hardware, while probably still having to pay a supply charge, and in a lot of cases, usage charges for something more expensive and less reliable.

      There’s a reason why the media spruiks cases where people pay nothing or even get paid for electricity – it’s a novel and extremely rare occurrence…

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        Lawrie

        I have 6.6kW of solar. I pay $1.86 per day access charge. In 2006 I was paying one cent per day access charge. Thank you John Howard for caving in to the Green Blob and introducing the RET. The only benefit of Bowen’s power system and the increasing cost is that I effectively make or save more in dollar terms if not in kWh.

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          Konrad

          Sorry Laurie, but if your rooftop solar is connected to the grid, you are part of the problem.

          Your rooftop solar is pumping intermittent energy into the grid and causing frequency and voltage instability. If your panels are connected to the grid, you are not just driving up electricity prices, you are actually damaging your neighbour’s electrical appliances.

          Now, I use solar. I have a solar powered kayak and an independent secondary home power system with a deep cycle battery and pure sine wave inverter good for 1500 Watts. I know what solar is good for.

          Please be a responsible, engineering literate citizen, and disconnect your roof from the grid.

          Be a responsible citizen, and do as I do: only connect solar to batteries and never ever to the grid.

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      Mike Jonas

      Unexpensive electrons? Maybe, but like cheap tools they don’t work.

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    Zigmaster

    This realty is already here. My energy provider is already trying to encourage me to not use electricity for one hour a week with something they call Origin Spike. Trying to make it some sort of contest they are going to take control of your usage if you don’t volunteer to do so and whilst efficient use of power is a worthwhile exercise this rationing ( voluntarily or otherwise) is to try to maintain the integrity of the grid. Once they control your usage they will reduce usage to consumers when demand is greatest to avoid crashing the system. As this will be on days of extreme heat or extreme cold so their incompetence will mean that this distopian future they are creating will cause people to die.
    Australia is fortunate that it has Germany as a precedent of what not to do if only we would take notice. Even the oppositions stance of nuclear as the base load back up is not the right response.
    Renewables should be the back up to coal,gas , or nuclear. They actually need to ban more renewables.
    If they can bring down an industrial giant such as Germany , Australia will succumb even quicker.
    Only a total Neanderthal such as Chris Bowen cannot see this future. I just hope the damage that is inflicted by him in the current term of government is not irreversible.
    I must say that nuclear is as always my compromise solution. I always would prefer to reprogram the population from the climate indoctrination through reeducation and base our future around coal.

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      James Murphy

      Pretty insulting to Neanderthals, but I guess they aren’t around to complain… climate change I guess…

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      David Maddison

      I would rather have Neanderthals in charge than Bowen and his comrades!

      Neanderthals had bigger brains as well (although not necessarily superior cognitive abilities, however they would be much smarter than anyone in Government).

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        John Connor II

        With dysfunctionally large governments full of weeds only there for themselves and serving no useful purpose, the potential brain power is there, but the combined cognitive power is on par with a cabbage. A modern day cabbage, starved of nutrients, unlike the cabbages 100 years ago, which were much more beneficial to the people.

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      Robert Swan

      Zigmeister,

      … Chris Bowen cannot see this future. I just hope the damage that is inflicted by him in the current term of government is not irreversible.

      The underlying question is why is Bowen involved at all?. Electricity should never have been handed over to the Feds, but little by little, that’s exactly what has happened. We don’t need to get a less stupid Energy Minister, we need to abandon AEMO and the ridiculous pretend market it operates. Let’s go back to having each state answer to its own people.

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      John Michelmore

      Meanwhile in little old Adelaide a couple of self funded pensioners keen to reduce their energy costs in an all electric home have done the following:-
      1. Installed solar panels to reduce their bill.
      2. Installed more solar panels to reduce their bill.
      3. Installed a battery to use when the sun wasn’t shining.
      4. Installed another battery because they were still using too much grid power overnight.

      What is the energy provider now charging and paying them after all that expenditure:-
      1. They get a whopping 6 c/kWh putting the excess solar power back into the grid now.
      2. They get charged 600 c/kWh if they use grid power.
      3. They also generously charge about a dollar a day for supply.

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        Philc

        Sounds like they have spent around 40thousand + – for a system that is still not totally off the grid. How long till they actually get a return on their investment in savings as they still get a bill and then you have the replacement costs on top for panels and batteries when they fail.

        Honestly I don’t think people really think when they go into this crap

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          PeterPetrum

          Depending on how old this little old Adelaide couple is, I wonder if they will ever cover their costs on this installation. Either it’s life will end first or theirs will.

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        Sceptical+Sam

        They get charged 600 c/kWh if they use grid power.

        Surely that can’t be correct?
        $6.00 per kWh?
        Where’s the ACCC?

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      Geoff Sherrington

      Zig,
      What are the legal mechanisms to ensure that those who cause deaths when the dangers are known to them, will face a charge like premeditated murder?
      I would be directing effort to publicise this, if I was younger.
      An analogy: Speed humps on the road cause pain for many with medical conditions like a crook back or post-herpetic neuralgia or chronic pancreatitis. It can cause some people to scream with pain. The authorities who install speed humps do not have, to my knowledge, any authority to act to knowingly cause pain. Ask them to remove speed humps from places like approaches to hospitals and you might get an answer, but it will likely be a boilerplate of excuses that mean “I have power and I don’t need to talk to you.”

      So, what do we think? Should there be a protest about laws and regulations that can murder and cause pain?
      Geoff S

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        Ted1.

        And just how dopey can they be? A couple of points.

        42 years ago when we had a little bloke dying of cancer the two speed bumps in the driveway at the Childrens’ Hospital hurt him. Surely there must have been a better solution.

        And I was gunna but never did cut down the “Nuclear Free Zone sign on the street corner about 40 metres from the oncology clinic and move it up to the next block.

        And Murder?

        Dr Russell Blaylock called the prohibition on early treatment for CV19 the cold blooded murder of 80% of the 800,000 who had died in the US at his time of writing. There is evidence to support that call. It has yet to be answered.

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      Smart meters were installed to bring in several usage and payment tiers during the 24-hr period.

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    Zigmaster

    Renewables are the perfect way to build a grid. The most important days to have reliable electricity is on extreme weather days but because they are also the days of greatest demand that’s when they are most likely to fail. On most other days who cares you don’t need to have your heating or air conditioning working.
    If you also add the feature of exorbitant cost the Australian grid is the perfect solution. In this future utopian world the process of reducing the number of Homo sapiens on the planet will be enabled through the Bowen Electric Grid . All our problems are solved.

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    another ian

    This goes with that –

    “Some More Energy Reality In New York City”

    “So the energy transition has been ordered up via statutes filled with mandates and deadlines and penalties, with no attention paid to feasibility or cost. We now all get to sit back and watch as this crashes and burns.”

    https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2023-11-28-some-more-energy-reality-in-new-york-city

    That Irish travel directory comes to mind again

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      Lawrie

      And to think this cluster..ck was imposed by fraudulent politicians advised by fraudulent scientists who lied and connived to say CO2 was causing warming. Just imagine where we could have been if we had ignored the liars and stuck with what was working fabulously well.

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        Kalm Keith

        Yes, sometimes I think that even the lukewarmers are part of the plot.

        From many scientific aspects it can be accurately shown that CO2 and human origin CO2 cannot influence atmospheric temperature in the manner claimed.

        This is real science: undeniable.

        Lukewarmers may be decent well intentioned people but their contributions are giving the UNIPCCC and the Kon Jerrys of the world the complexification of the issue that helps keep truth at bay.

        The truth is out there but the massive entrainment of opinion needs to be broken.

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    Neville

    And now we also have the BS and FRAUD of COP 28 to endure, but I’m sure our delusional blog donkeys etc will still BELIEVE.
    The Western countries have provided us with all the benefits of the modern world and the developing world are currently building many more hundreds of coal and gas plants.
    Yet now our OECD countries are turning our backs on RELIABLE BASE-LOAD power and are planning to WASTE TRILLIONS of $ on TOXIC UNRELIABLE W & S and all for a guaranteed ZERO change to our climate.
    But I’m sure the Bowen idiot will be warmly welcomed to COP 28 as he announces his intention to betray his country and wreck our electricity grids and our environments at the cost of TRILLIONS $ and all for a ZERO return on the “investment”.

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      Geoff Sherrington

      Neville,
      Should we concerned citizens be pressing for a plebiscite to measure the will of the people about compulsory renewables?
      Or even more generally, about the ways that current policy makers are well into telling us voters to do things we do not want to do, or suffer penalties?
      Geoff S

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        Neville

        Geoff I would be delighted if we could vote on their TOXIC W & S lunacy, even if we are too stupid to vote NO.
        Amazing that some of the so called tertiary educated fools I’ve talked to about their Nutty zero, have little understanding about the data and evidence.
        Like the clueless Tania Plibersek who froze and couldn’t tell Alan Jones the level of co2 in the atmosphere.
        And she wouldn’t even attempt a guesstimate. Unbelievable but true.

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    John Hultquist

    Things go from bad to worse
    You think it can’t get worse than that
    And then they do

    Rodney Atkins: “If You’re Going Through Hell”

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    Neville

    It looks like COP 28 will be another chance for the Sultan to flog even more oil and gas to the loony attendees like Gore, Bowen, Kerry etc.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/11/28/daily-mail-cop28-will-be-an-oil-and-gas-contract-bazaar/

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    Neville

    Gore must be one of the greatest con artists in history and he now enjoys the spoils of one of the largest, personal carbon footprints on the planet.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/11/29/al-gore-ghosts-dubai-2023-with-1989-alarm-whats-new-pussycat/

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    Penguinite

    Like obedient automatons, we accepted the “smart Meter” in order to facilitate roadside automatic reading of meters ostensibly to save manpower costs but little did we know it was really a way of managing the supply of electricity. In the (g)olden days that was achieved with coin-in-the-slot supply. Eventually, it was curtailed with centralised control by state-owned power companies. Subsequently, these entities were sold off to the many and varied commercial operators on the promise of lower power prices that never eventuated. Similarly solar panels! Just 25-30 years ago State Governments were installing and connecting for free. They even paid for any excess energy generated. Today most of those “free” benefits have evaporated and the solar panels require replacement!

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    Greg in NZ

    A brief scoot-around the interwebs this morning shows Zugspitze in Germany -16C and snowing, Glencoe in Scotland -4C and snowing, Lake Louise in Alberta, Canada -11C and sunny, Mauna Kea in Hawai’i -4C windchill and snowing… and yet children demand ‘climate justice’ for all… be careful what you wish for, brrrrrr!

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    Neville

    Here’s so much of the co2 data etc over the last 30+ years and the ongoing WASTE of TRILLIONS of $ on this lunacy.
    IOW COP 28 is just more BS and FRAUD and WASTE.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/11/29/get-ready-for-another-pointless-united-nations-climate-conference/

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    Simon

    The alternative is Russian gas imports. Is that a strategically safe thing to do? Surely energy independence is a worthy goal, regardless of your levels of concern for increasing greenhouse gas emissions?

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    David Maddison

    Most Leftists think the world population is too great, despite trying to import much of the world’s population into Western countries, so the deaths of non-Elites from cold will be an added bonus for them.

    Then “you vill eat ze bugs” as Herr Kommandant Klaus Schwab would say…. (non-Elites only).

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      another ian

      I wonder if “the elites” have realised that there will be a cull of “the elites” too?

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        Kalm Keith

        And perhaps they might be taken fairly early in the drama: always look up for dangers lurking overhead.

        There’s only so much wealth to be “shared”.

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      Sceptical+Sam

      Perhaps Herr Kommandant Klaus Schwab doesn’t accept that the Rule of Law still holds some sway in Germany?

      A German Museum Removes Damien Hirst’s Dead-Fly Installation, Saying It Wasn’t Aware Insects Were Covered by State’s Animal Welfare Act

      https://news.artnet.com/news/damien-hirst-peta-2143867

      Back to the drawing-board Herr Kommandant.

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    David Maddison

    Remember when President Trump warned the Germans at the UN and the German delegation smirked and laughed at him?

    Maybe the Germans aren’t so smart. They did, after all, elect the National Socialists and cause the departure of Einstein and other scientists…

    https://youtu.be/FfJv9QYrlwg

    (31 sec)

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    David Maddison

    Socialism didn’t die with the National Socialists or the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, along with all the massive human rights abuses and poverty those entailed.

    It was just rebranded as (fake) “environmentalism”.

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    Neville

    Of course Lomborg tells us that COP 28 will be more lies and have no measurable impact by 2100.
    But in this 6 minute interview with the WSJ he responds to Biden’s latest lunacy about fires etc and explains how we could actually help the poorer countries by spending a lot less and yet having a much greater impact on their lives, education, health etc.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/net-zero-fails-the-cost-benefit-test-paris-climate-accord-cop28-748ae52d

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    Penguinite

    Never mind Germany BOB (blackout Bowen) wants the same or worse for Australia and he’s only got 18 months to do it!

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    OldOzzie

    EVs less reliable than conventional cars: Consumer Reports

    Electric vehicles are significantly less reliable than cars powered by gas or hybrid vehicles, according to a new survey from Consumer Reports.

    The annual car reliability survey by Consumer Reports found EVs are 79 percent more likely to have problems than conventional cars. Consumers reported electric drive motors, charging and EV batteries had the most common issues associated with EVs, according to the survey.

    Jake Fisher, senior director of auto testing at Consumer Reports, noted that there may be “growing pains” among EVs because they are based on new technology or are being manufactured by new upstart companies, such as Rivian. He said companies “need some time to work out the bugs,” according to the magazine.

    While the survey found that electric vehicles are still less reliable than gas-powered vehicles, Consumer Reports recommended Tesla’s Model 3 and Model Y for those interested in purchasing an electric car. Steven Elek, who heads the auto data analytics program at Consumer Reports, said Tesla’s components are “generally reliable,” according to the magazine.

    However, Elek added that Tesla still struggles with the build quality of its electric cars.

    Consumer Reports said hybrid vehicles are the most reliable when compared to electric vehicles, gas-powered vehicles and plug-in hybrids. Hybrid vehicles have 26 percent fewer problems than gas-powered cars, which Consumer Reports said is likely because hybrids have been on the market longer than EVs and are manufactured by companies that produce “reliable vehicles overall,” such as Toyota, Hyundai and Kia.

    Plug-in hybrids are more likely to have more issues than gas-powered cars, EVs and hybrid vehicles. The survey said that plug-in hybrids have 146 percent more problems than gas-powered cars.

    The Biden administration and Democratic-led states are pushing to have more EVs on the road over the next 10 years. Under new Environmental Protection Agency regulations, 67 percent of new light-duty passenger cars sold in the U.S. could be electric by 2032.

    The survey was based on owner responses on more than 330,000 vehicles.

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      Ross

      Years ago I bought one of those Roomba cordless automatic vacuum cleaners. (I’m a bit of a sucker for gadgets). Programmable, so every second day it would leave its charging station and zoom around the house vacuuming the floors. Fantastic acceleration !! Worked really well for couple of months, but would very often get “stuck”. Usually under a couch or sometimes on the base of a chair. Which meant the floors weren’t vacuumed. Then the battery crapped out, which needed replacement. Sent it away to the maintenance facility for the replacement, but later learned I could just purchase the batteries locally myself. It then found new places to get stuck. Since new I’ve replaced the batteries 3 times. About a year ago it decided it didn’t want to go back to its charging station and would often get fouled in its electric cord. So, now I have to manually recharge and if I remember, also just turn it on myself, maybe once per week. In a way its performance is probably how most people’s experience with EV’s will occur. Really cool to look at, will work well for a short period, but require constant maintenance and will very often get stuck. I have a similar experience with “smart” locks, but I wont bore you now.

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    Jon Rattin

    Did anyone else get this text message from Ausnet this week?
    “Hi, this is Ausnet, your electricity distributor. Are you power prepared for summer? High temperatures and severe weather can cause power outages. We’re getting our network ready for summer, find out how you can prepare at…”
    I’m thinking my “power preparation” may involve dealing with rolling blackouts because there ain’t enough electricity in the grid during a heatwave

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    OldOzzie

    ‘Global Warming’ Alert: German Authorities Urge Citizens To Stay at Home Amid Brutal Winter Weather and ‘Unseasonable Cold’

    The problem, it seems, is not so much ‘global warming’ as it is ‘local freezing.’

    Northern Europe was surprised by the ‘sudden onset’ of Winter, causing disruption and dangerous conditions in several countries.

    Liberal Europeans had barely finished complaining that 2023 was ‘the hottest year on record’ when – wouldn’t you know it – temperatures were freezing cold at the very start of winter.

    Authorities in western Germany, for one, urged residents to stay home, warning of ‘life-threatening danger’ after a ‘burst of winter weather’ led to hazardous roads, leading to accidents that left two people dead.

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      John Connor II

      Yes, it’s now “boiling cold” in Germany…

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      David of Cooyal in Oz

      I wondered how those clever people were able to declare a “hottest average temperature” for 2023 before hear end???

      Or have they redefined “average”?

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    MH

    When the population decide that they don’t need to learn basic maths and think its “ok” to hand over their curiosity and critical thinking to the authorities. Then a valuable learning experience will be waiting just for them.

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      Bushkid

      The learning experience may be theirs, but we will all have to deal with the consequences.

      We can be prepared, having given sensible forethought to and prepared for the likely outcomes of these mad policies, but the resulting conditions and situation will confront us all.

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    Ross

    The headlong rush towards Net Zero seems to be epitomised by the current ENGIE video ad running on TV and subscription services. It’s the one with the female teenager who is riding an electric speed bike into the Zero emissions future. The fact that ENGIE appear to be spending an incredible amount on advertising at the moment is probably the first red flag. Let’s call this chick Greta for convenience sake. For starters I’m not sure the bike is actually hers, she may have stolen it. Which is sort of symbolic of taxpayer funds being stolen to support renewable energy. It’s only a bike, so only transport for 1 person. Which is impractical – a bit like solar/wind. I don’t think the bike is registered, so Greta has an aversion for rules and laws which again is symptomatic of the whole renewable energy con – the laws of physics are totally ignored. She then rides at a seriously dangerous speed and at one point past a worksite without slowing down. Again, no observance of rules. There’s a lovely scene of her passing a recharging station, which for some reason is on the side of hill on a windy road. Probably powered by a diesel generator. Oh, and most of the recharge points are already in use. Greta then blasts off into the bush, no doubt to wreck some beautiful pristine bushland – so similar to knocking down bushland to erect wind turbines. The ad stops there, but I suspect she crashes at the next bend. So, possibly how all this Net Zero fantasy will end- a huge crash with people getting killed.

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      Jon Rattin

      A fitting end to the advert, symbolically speaking, could be the bike launching Thelma & Louise style off a cliff

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    OldOzzie

    Car Dealers to Biden: EVs Aren’t Selling

    Some 3,900 sellers ask for a reprieve from his onerous sales mandate.

    You can subsidize a buyer into the auto showroom, but you can’t make him buy. That’s the word from some 3,900 car dealers across the country who on Tuesday wrote President Biden that electric vehicles are piling up unsold on their lots. They want relief from his onerous and unrealistic EV sales mandate.

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    Steve

    COP 28: apparently is some BS club where rich people tell poor people how to live to save the planet.
    You can tell they’re serious.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/sunak-cameron-king-cop28-private-jets-b2455630.html

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    Saighdear

    It’s so sad but you only have to laugh ( unfortunately ) as my friends & acquaintances over there are NOT amused. Yes they like to rub our noses in it ( Brexit) but when the hens come home to roost, there’ll be a lot of Sheight at the back door. And smell travels well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBm3Nym-We0 and enjoy.

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    I was thinking that going back to horses as a means of transport would be green but then the Green zealots would get triggered about the methane in horse farts. What a dilemma! We can’t go back to the good old days and we can’t go forward to EV nirvana. We’re stuck in a Green Slough of Despond.

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      Philip

      My father grew up with a draught horse ploughing the fields. He then used to ride it to school. They also had no electricity. He would laugh at all these homesteader return to earth type people. As soon as gas heaters came in he got one, any technology that would reduce labour, he got. He knew genuine hard work. He tried to deter my sister from getting a horse because he’d say they eat twice as much grass as a cow. But he got her two, because he was a big softie at heart.

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      another ian

      “but then the Green zealots would get triggered about the methane in horse farts. ”

      Don’t forget the “horse manure crisis of about 1900” – and the other one that they are swallowing

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    Rupert Ashford

    And I see on the news this morning there’s outrage “because African countries are opting to build Nuclear Power Plants and of course “Russia-Russia-Russia”. Give the Africans credit for seeing through the renewables BS, and as if any Western country would build the damn Nukes for them. I guess in the long term countries will pay the price of selling their gold mines etc to the Russians and Chinese in exchange for this technology, but where is the West in supporting these countries? They’ve already been bought and paid for by Big Renewables – old Larry Fink and co are laughing all the way to the bank.

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    Neville

    It’s interesting that in 1988 and Hansen’s speech in Washington DC co2 levels were about 352 ppm and today about 420 ppm.
    That’s an increase of about 20% over the last 35 years.
    But since 1988 co2 EMISSIONs have increased from 22.11 billion tonnes to 37.12 billion tonnes in 2021 or an increase of about 68% over the last 33 years.
    So little wonder that the earth has GREENED so much over that period of time.
    Here’s the world’s co2 emissions and made up of OECD + NON OECD + about 1 billion tonnes of airlines and shipping etc.

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-country?country=OWID_WRL~Non-OECD+%28GCP%29~OECD+%28GCP%29

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    Dave in the States

    Most of the populations affected are as yet ambivalent and/or unaware of how NutzZero will affect them. We are seeing the first signs of a population beginning to say: “Hey wait a minute this not what they told us, and I didn’t vote for this.” As the Cold, hard, realities begin to hit home will there be anger and pushback, or will surfdom be accepted with a whimper?

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    Up to Friday southern Germany may see the heaviest snowfall, icerain and rain since years, thanks to low pressure system Robin:
    https://i0.wp.com/anti-matrix.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/titel-wetdet.jpg

    Happy wind and solar

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    Raving

    Sooner or later there will be excess electricity when the sun is shining and the wind is blowing.

    Both wind and solar will get devalued but wind more so because it is unpredictable

    The future of wind power is bleak

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      Neville

      Raving you’re correct, TOXIC Solar is very predictable or for perhaps 15% of the time in the NH.
      The trouble is it isn’t available at all for the night time and not much before 10am and AFTER 4 pm in the winter in the NH.
      But I’ll stand correction if anyone thinks I’m exaggerating?
      But I agree that TOXIC wind is a certifiable, TOXIC disaster for our electricity grids and land and ocean environments.

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      Ross

      Actually, Raving I have to pull you up there. Wind is extremely predictable, almost to the hour. More so than rainfall. I work in a wind affected industry and I can predict at least 7 days ahead what the wind conditions will be. Presently windy in western Victoria, but will calm down Friday afternoon and be similarly calm up until about midday Tuesday, when it will be windy for 1 day. Then relatively calm again until early Friday morning, when it’s going to blow a gale.

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        Raving

        Unfortunate choice of words. Haphazard would be better. Unpredictable insofar as hourly contribution to the network over years of performance.

        Also agree that in some places wind can be reliable for most of the time. The UK wind power meter does not show this. I thought it would be much steadier. Also the UK is not the best place for reliable 365 day solar power. Too many clouds. Too dark in winter. Sun tracks too close tk the horizon.

        https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

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          Ross

          No worries. Wind prediction is almost more accurate than cloudiness on a short- term basis, which affects solar, IMO. Either way, it’s a terrible way to try to run an energy grid being dependent on unpredictable ( long term ) “thin” energy. Especially in the UK, which is not exactly noted for its sunny conditions 🙂

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      Dave in the States

      Right now in the NH the days are short and the nights are long. Around here, the sun doesn’t shine until about 7:30 AM. It’s dark by 5:30 PM. During twilight plus or minus an hour or two on both ends the sun is low in the sky presenting a glancing grazing angle.

      Germany is at a farther North latitude than the lower 48 States so I suspect they are dealing with even shorter days. The far North Scandinavian countries are already in the polar night which will extend to Jan 28th.

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    Rod Corby

    Jo, love your work but those apostrophes keep sneaking in. eg. “Solar and wind power can’t power EV’s” does not have a possessive apostrophe after EV. Thanks for your stella work.

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      John Connor II

      There, their, they’re – don’t fret over it.
      Grammuh aynt wut it used ter bee.

      /but technically correct, although ev’s usage is widespread

      Stella says hi.
      Or was that stellar…

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        Greg in NZ

        Air, ear, ‘ere –

        Our millionaire ex-CEO of Air New Zealand, when taking the oath this week on becoming Prime Minister of ENZED Inc., swore allegiance to King Charlie III’s “hairs”, or it may have been his “hares”, or maybe he really meant “here’s”…

        ‘ow’s yer father, ‘arry – heir heir heir!

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    Neville

    Dr Roger Pielke Jnr has a look at the BS and FRAUD of COP 28 and also shows how safe our world is today.
    We’ve increased by over 4 billion people and deaths have dropped all around the globe.
    Stupid Biden + his advisers don’t understand these very simple sums, but the rest of us shouldn’t descend to his level of ignorance and understanding.

    https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/start-the-week-with-thb-ca8

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      Raving

      It is wonderful that they are holding COP 28 in Dubai. Demonstrates how humans can adapt to searing heat.

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        Greg in NZ

        If they’d held it in Copenhagen again, they would’ve been snowed under again – at least they’ve learned how to adapt.

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        Annie

        Dubai is often very pleasant at this time of the year. Maybe COP28 should have been scheduled between April and October, preferably July or August.

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    Old Goat

    The people who run “Climate Change” are weapons grade hypocrites . They think that the crash won’t hurt them . Hungry and desperate people have nothing to lose and will take them down . You can’t eat money (and it doesn’t last long in a fireplace ).

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    Graham Palmer

    Fun Fact: 🤣🤣

    Looks like we can all look forward to the very first application of Labor’s planned Dis-information Laws,
    against themselves. 😱🤡🤡

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    Raving

    From the NYT …

    Could Biden’s Clean Energy Push Be a Victim of Its Success?

    Solar panels will continue to fall in price.

    Wind provides haphazard power when the sun doesn’t shine. With wind and solar competing for market share when the sun does shine …. ?x%# ???

    My prediction is that wind will eventually lose out and in the interim, the grid will become even more unstable due to the superabundance of electricity when it shine and blows

    This may be okay for air conditioners and industry during the day but a/c is used more at night and people like to charge their EVs at night and heat pumps work harder in the cold of the night.

    Sooooo … Further instability

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    Mr.Nobody

    We should be learning from the consequences of failed green policies in Europe, but no, blackout bowen is in full idealogical steam and won’t stop until we go off the cliff and hit the bottom.

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    Dennis

    Volvo is importing their EV heavy transport vehicles into Australia, theoretical range 450 km but don’t expect better than 300 km so less before recharging and many hours of recharging.

    I cannot see food supplies being transported into country areas using these trucks in Australia, and they are expensive.

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      Ross

      An EV truck caught fire near West Gate Bridge in Melbourne yesterday. Prime mover almost totally melted. Towing a cement containing trailer. Fire burned for a very long time due to the batteries. Many EV fans saying no big deal, trucks catch fire all the time. Except that with diesel trucks their fuel doesn’t spontaneously ignite, which appears to be the case here. A rather important difference, I would think.

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      another ian

      “I cannot see food supplies being transported into country areas using these trucks in Australia, and they are expensive.”

      More interestingly think –

      “food supplies being transported out of country areas using these trucks in Australia, and they are expensive.”

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    Neville

    Lomborg’s talk in London a few weeks ago is probably one of his best and shortest and I defy anyone to watch this talk and not learn something.
    It only takes about 17 minutes but he covers a lot of ground and his rounding off at the end is very professional.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klcsgp3wrh4

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    Philip

    Send Bowen over with his A1 cardboard poster project. He can make it work. No return ticket.

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    Gerry, England

    Having to spend money to fix a faulty idea that is undermining the grid is hardly ‘investment’.

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