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80% of Republicans think the election was stolen and the media is the enemy

Donald Trump’s message of election fraud has reached millions of people even though Twitter, Facebook, and the media have said it was baseless every ten minutes since election day. Word is spreading so fast that even 12% of Democrats think the election was stolen.

Breitbart:

…Politico conducted its 2020 Voter Priorities Survey and results show that a vast majority of Trump voters believe the election results are not valid and that illegal voting and fraud took place during the election. Twenty-one percent of Trump voters believe the results are valid and 79 percent believe the election was stolen.

This is a crisis for any democratic nation. The way to solve it is with a full and fair investigation which either cleans up the count or puts people in jail. Possibly nothing short of a new election (with paper ballots) will work.

Issues distrust, poll,

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Not surprisingly, 83% of Trump voters call the media “the enemy”.

Media is the enemy, poll results.

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The crisis in media trust is due to interviews like this one (below). Here is  Ari Melber of  MSNBC acting like the enemy…

What is he afraid of — presumably he is worried that the Democrat viewers will find out what is really going on. But even many normal polite democrats must find this interview bizarre, rude, and over-the-top.

 

 What’s holding the nation back

Republicans are consistent. When asked “what’s holding the country back” they said — you guessed it. “The Media.”

 

Issues holding the nation back

Issues holding the nation back   (Click to enlarge)

All roads lead to the media. If we had a better media, we’d get better politicians.

The media are supposed to be a constant audit of corruption, instead, for the most part, they’re actively covering it up.

A nation divided

Because the media censors one half of the national conversation it drives Americans on both sides further apart. One side simply has no idea what the other half is thinking, this fuels the hate and simplistic explanations. Ignorant Democrats have no respect for a group they don’t understand. This in turn  feeds the distrust felt on the other side. Exiled Republicans are seeking out their own new forums and news sources.

There is no national conversation, just two tribes.

Polarisation in the USA.

Polarisation in the USA.

What did people vote for in 2020? Not climate change.

Of the sixteen choices, Republicans ranked Climate Change fourth from the bottom. Even 4 out of 5 democrats didn’t rank it in the top three.

This is why conservative parties will fail if they pander to climate change.

The issues that matter to votersw.

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Even half the Democrats realize their party is more extreme than it was four years ago.

 

Even the Democrats know their party has become more extreme

Even the Democrats know their party has become more extreme

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9.6 out of 10 based on 61 ratings

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    With mainstream media being a joke now, Google, Facebook and other main computer players want to fill this media void of controlling what you do in life.

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      OriginalSteve

      Once you realize the NSM and gurgle etc are all part of the same fetid immoral leftist swamp, its easy to ignore them….and I think its important that people do switch off so that it cuts them off.

      Most of the traditiinal MSM are now clearly come out as swamp creatures. It appears that multiple 3 letter agencies have thier operatives enbedded in many of not all main MSM newservices. Some news readers even tell you – sone have lapel pubs that say “C*I” right in front of your eyes, if you lok closely.

      The MSM appear to be a tightly controlled mouthpiece for the swamp and cant be trusted.

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        Jojodogfacedboy

        Like the lawyers say…With the media hating President Trump, you can’t let them see your hand.
        https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/gov-rod-blagojevich-defends-trump-legal-team-cant-show-cards-anti-trump-media-video/

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          robert rosicka

          Slightly OT but relevant .

          I vaugley remember what Prince Leonard of the Principality of Hutt did to Howard all those years ago when he declared war on Australia .
          The oz government immediately assumed the old guy had had gone bonkers but after 24 hours(?) he rescinded the declaration and then claimed some bizarre UN rule that because he was in dispute with another country and went to war but was not defeated that country had to afford his full rights .
          Which is why he the govt couldn’t get him till after he died , so in Trumps case maybe they are playing their cards close to their chest and have something they only want to reveal in a SCOTUS appeal .

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            Deano

            I recall that Prince Leonard had a navy which was a 12 foot dingy. As a tourist earner, I think you could join his navy and (for a few bucks) get a cap or such with the logo of the mighty and feared Navy of the Principality of Hutt River Province on it.

            Compared to our real navy with its squillion dollar obsolete submarines, his navy wasn’t so silly.

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      Seedy

      Of course the polls never get such things right !

      Meanwhile some in the media think that an attempted Trump coup has been prevented. It’s a view that may upset dedicated Trump cheer squad folks here but there’s a lot in this to think about.
      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/25/trumps-coup-failed-but-us-democracy-has-been-given-a-scare

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    Kalm Keith

    What people might “think” could possibly be seen from an overview of the last four years of change in America.

    Four years ago many Americans were struggling to find work.

    At present a significant number of those people are now in useful jobs which not only gives them a living wage but the feeling that they are valued members of society.

    Trump was undoubtedly the reason for their improved situation as he changed taxation arrangements for the nation’s trade which made it possible for manufacturers to return to the U.S.

    The gratefulness of the American workers for their new life was shown in the enormous turnouts at Trump rallies which can only be described as spectacular.

    It was clear that Trump was popular and this seemed to be reflected in the closing vote tallys late on election night.

    So far, everything was moving according to logical assessment: Trumps good efforts were being rewarded: nothing out of place there.

    Then darkness fell, in more ways than one.

    The mail in voting/absentee voting and possibly something less visible in the system saw huge dumps of votes for the Democrat candidate in a way that defied logic and believability and the world turned.

    And O’Biden won!

    No mystery as to why so many people might be skeptical about the legitimacy of the election.

    What’s next, who knows, but there’s a lot resting on this because the American voters are going to want a clean voting system next time they vote.

    KK

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      GD

      American voters are going to want a clean voting system next time they vote

      Over half of American voters want their vote for Donald Trump this election to be counted and respected.

      The Democrats and the swamp are blocking that.

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        OriginalSteve

        And this is the thing the swamp havent worked out yet….no one trusts them.

        As such, you cant govern a people who wont trust you.

        So what now? The swamp has to decide if it either takes out anyone who doesnt trust them through a mass exterminaton event, or it builds enough “processing” facilities to liquidate 75 million people….or it provokes a war and forces conscription on trump supporters alone in the hope they will be KIA…..

        This is a high stakes play…the globalists have made thier play….now lets see how 1/4 of the US population respond.

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        Jeff Id @ The Air Vent shows vote anomalies in Pennsylvania, ‘Best supporting data available of widespread fr**d I have found,’ says Jeff Id. He’s looking to pass on to Trump. https://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2020/11/23/vote-anomalies-in-pennsylvania/ H/t Another Ian posting on Chiefio’s blog.

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      Ian

      Due to lack of evidence, the judiciary so far have thrown out virtually all claims due from Trump that the election was not properly conducted. Why is that do you think? Are the justices and judges in some kind of plot against Trump?

      Why have all the promises by Trump and his team that evidence would be forthcoming, so far not been met. Why is that do you think?

      Those involved in conducting and running the election, Republicans as well as Democrats have stated the election went very smoothly. Are they all lying?

      I have included a few links that confirm the claims that the election went smoothly that you might be interested in. https://tinyurl.com/y6y2zchx ; https://tinyurl.com/y4j3p9ws ; https://tinyurl.com/y3pzeul9 ; https://tinyurl.com/y343wqqq

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        crakar24

        Due to a lack of evidence……i challenge you to show me were any evidence has been presented in a court of law, the democrat judges are throwing the cases out before looking at the evidence. Ian you are a [snip] human controlled by the MSM.

        Go join ANTIFA with demands for Trump to concede by noon Sunday or they will take to the streets in conservative cities armed to the teeth

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          Kalm Keith

          Surprised you only just noticed.

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          hook, line and sinker

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          Ian

          “Due to a lack of evidence……i challenge you to show me were any evidence has been presented in a court of law, the democrat judges are throwing the cases out before looking at the evidence.”

          US District Court Judge Matthew Brann , who is a Republican wrote in his order that Trump had asked the court to disenfranchise almost 7 million voters.

          “One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption,” Brann wrote, so much that the court would have no option but to stop the certification even though it would impact so many people. “That has not happened.”

          A Republican runs Philadelphia’s election board, and has said his office got death threats as Trump’s rants about the election intensified. No judges ever found any evidence of election fraud in Pennsylvania or any other state where the campaign sued — not in Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada or Georgia.

          Perhaps those bits of information are all lives too.

          And BTW calling me a $h$t human merely demonstrates you don’thave a very comprehensive vocabulary if you need to resort to ineptly concealed obscenities.

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            Saighdear

            Aye, indeed – WHY …. I often ask ‘WHY’ – that is what I was TAUGHT to ask and few like it.generally the peers are worse for NOT LIKING it – they just wanna get home quick, either accepting the status quo or whatever, who knows! . The Good Lecturers were generally always happy to reply to the WHYs – – called showing a greater degree of interest or a hunger for better understanding.
            Here I cannot understand either WHY always But ! – the rejections may mean less time wasted in junior courts and as the invested Penny grows, when that larger coin DROPS in the SCOTUS, I hope it will go NEW CLEAR and blast the shtz out of the swamp

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              Saighdear

              or, …. and …. or the bowling club or whatever else: Naw, they are RELATED to … that’s it! Related, must be , has to be,eh?

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            crakar24

            Just to clarify [snip] human.

            https://www.salon.com/2020/11/18/judge-cancels-fraud-evidence-hearing-after-rudy-giuliani-admits-this-is-not-a-fraud-case-in-court_partner/

            The judge Brann cancelled the evidence hearing ergo no evidence was presented NOV 19

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-scathing-ruling-judge-dismisses-trump-campaign-s-effort-to-overturn-election-results-in-pennsylvania/ar-BB1beNvo

            A Pennsylvania federal court on Saturday denied President Donald Trump’s request to block certification of the state’s election results to give his lawyers time to find evidence to support their claims of a fraudulent election system and improper ballot counting.

            Obviously no evidence was presented here as they are asking for more time to present the evidence, they evidence they did have was not allowed to be presented.

            From Trump

            It’s all a continuation of the never ending Witch Hunt,” Trump tweeted. “Judge Brann, who would not even allow us to present our case or evidence, is a product of Senator Pat ‘No Tariffs’ Toomey of Pennsylvania, no friend of mine, & Obama – No wonder.”

            I realise you have a strong desire to embellish the truth but we are not playing games anymore, the stakes are too high.

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              Ian

              I’v been posting here since 2012 and am very surprised and very disappointed that this blog now seems quite OK with posts that use thinly veiled obscenity to abuse those whose views are different from theirs.

              You write “Just to clarify $h$t human and follow up with two links which are totally irrelevant to your full comment which was

              “Ian you are a $h$t human controlled by the MSM.”.

              Why were those links included? And to advise, I post a comment to JoNov drawing your comment to her attention.

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        Louise

        You mean, thrown out by lower level Obama appointed judges, making it possible to move towards SCOTUS.

        4 judges on the Supreme Court. Thomas (who Biden tried to block), Gorsich, Kavanaugh (look what the despicable and immoral Dems did to him) Coney Barret (who Feinstein labelled as the dogma running strong in her) and Alito heading up PA (and it looks like they may have disregarded her last judgement). Hmmm, do you think the highest court in the land will give the Dems a free pass if they’re found to have done the wrong thing?

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          Ian

          Hmmm, do you think the highest court in the land will give the Dems a free pass if they’re found to have done the wrong thing?

          The Supreme Court hears appeals from applicants who are dissatisfied with the verdIct from a FederaL Court. So far there has been no appeals from Trump as the lawsuits have failed through lack of evidence.

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            beowulf

            Wrong, wrong and wrong.

            Despite all the hoo-haa you hear on the MSM, the Trump Team has had only THREE cases pending, just ONE of which was dismissed thus far and that by a lowly District Court judge.

            The PA 3rd Circuit Court (an appellate court) has granted Team Trump a motion for an “emergency expedited review” of the decision of the single activist RINO District Court judge who disallowed their case without hearing evidence or legal argument. The outcome of that 3rd Circuit Court decision will inevitably lead to the SCOTUS in an appeal by either party.

            Prima facie that particular Trump case rests on a blatant contravention of the US Constitution whereby certain voters were treated differently to other favoured voters who were given the opportunity for a second vote. That is expressly prohibited by the Constitution and already has precise legal precedent from the Bush v. Gore case back in 2000.

            They can’t jump from a local court to the highest court in the land without going through the legal hoops of intermediate appellate courts. It’s the SCOTUS that matters, not the lower political hack judges. We must wait while the wheels turn.

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      Graham Richards

      At what point will the Impeachment of Biden kick off. There is doubtless, evidence in Biden’s interview on TV threatening Ukraine.
      How much more is being dug up right now?
      Or will impeachment be saved for the removal of Harris following the coup against Biden?

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      Seedy

      T’was a Chinese virus did it !
      And I warned of this outcome back in May/June.
      And was scoffed at.
      Ohhhh well..
      Such is the fate of all prophets.

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        Deano

        You remind me of an old Benny Hill sketch where he told of a man who sold everything he owned, left his family and toured the world in 1965 to warn “The world will end in 1966. And for him, it DID!”

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    RossP

    I have lost any faith I may have once had in polls. They are only there to frame how the people paying the polling company’s bill want people to think.
    I noted the polls in the US prior to the election were polling 1000-2000 people. Stupid numbers given the size of the population. Even in NZ, with our our tiny population, they poll around 1000 people.

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      Greg Cavanagh

      Regardless of the number, they make up the numbers.

      The whole point of a poll is to influence your beliefs. Lets say you don’t follow politics but an election is coming up, who will you vote for? Instead of caring about the party platforms you see a poll on the news X is tipped to win by 60% over Y. Ok, you think to yourself, most people believe X is good, so I’ll vote for X as well.

      Done and done.

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        OriginalSteve

        Correct.

        It also appears that each night in Victoriastan in a closed session of slightly sozzled bureaocrats, they did made up some “scary” random numbers so the Dilbert-esque Frog Prince of the Socialist Republic of Lockdownistan could recite the ( allegedly ) fear inducing daily fantasy figues of Covid-itis, thumping the table and threatening everyone with detention after school.

        Yeah verily did the serfs tremble, while liberty lovers stood against the enforcers of apparently arbitrary freedom hating globalist “Best Practice” restrictions, they didst draggeth women out of cars and arrested a pregnant wife for apparent thought crimes….

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        Saighdear

        and so confirming that average Al Public ( daren’t call it ‘Jo’ 🙂 )istoo stupid to know or voe properly. … !! Well, maybe right enough. THis is the problem Society haswith itself when everyone wants or IS given the vote.

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      sophocles

      RossP said:

      Even in NZ, with our our tiny population, they poll around 1000 people.

      and they still get it completely wrong. I lost any faith I could have had in NZ’s Polls and Pollsters several decades ago. Look closely at the questions they ask and see how they fish for the answers they want.

      If I’m stopped in the street by a pollster — and if you walk anywhere in the CBD in any of the larger cities, it’s quite likely you will meet one — then the great game is to give them a completely wrong set of answers and the more incoherent, contradictory and extreme a set the better. These were all planned in the lunch room …

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      gowest

      The polls were constructed to show biden was leading and extract millions from big donors. The same thing happens in Australia with global warming / getup activists. polls = money for adverts.

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    John Galt

    If Buy-dem is given power, I will not consent to anything from the Dark Center unless it is strictly constitutional and ethical in my own judgement.
    I expect to disregard most of what comes from a Buy-dem Kama-liar administration.
    No more running. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz5AqtqHR-I

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    PeterS

    The MSM has lost all credibility so only gullible, clueless and lazy people who can’t be bothered to do their own research will continue to listen to and believe in their propaganda and fake news. As a result there is a great polarisation of the people under way. Where that leads us is pretty obvious to those who are not of that group above who trust the MSM, but do use their brains to analyse the situation and see what’s coming down the pipe, which is to try and force everyone to comply to the draconian ways of the world that’s slowly morphing into an evil monster. Learning the hard way is often the only way, sadly.

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      el gordo

      There is great distrust in the MSM which initially happened with CAGW, being of universal significance the media bent the truth. It was the start of psychological totalitarianism.

      Best bet is not take anything too seriously, the US is a failed state.

      ‘Donald Trump has not admitted defeat and may never do so, but Joe Biden will be the next US president and it is time to start preparing for a new era.’ Oz

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        PeterS

        The CAGW was just an excuse used by them to accelerate what as you rightly termed their “psychological totalitarianism” which actually started a long time before but was in its infancy.
        Even if Trump remains POTUS, he won’t be able to stop the growing tide against what freedoms we still have. The Green Agenda will continue, be it through the Great Reset to some other similar grandiose scheme as a result of the next major crisis, be it another pandemic, stock market crash, or whatever. What will be will be, and for those who study history and have the intelligence to do their own research of the events over the past few decades and unfolding now, you know what I mean. The rest can go back to sleep only to be woken up by a massive kick in the backside in the future that will make them regret the day they were born.

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          OriginalSteve

          According to the CDC, the real death rate is only 6% of “covid deaths”.

          As such, its on par with the normal flu.

          *yawn*

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    Small Footprint

    So government and presidential ineptitude is causing around a thousand needless deaths a day in America, and this is not front page news. However, it is on the minds of the voters, and is shown in this survey.

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      Lawrie

      More likely state government ineptitude since states control their destiny not the Feds.

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        Small Footprint

        Lawrie – all levels of government have failed. This is a pandemic, it is a national emergency, do not hide behind state vs fed strawman. there are now 260,000 dead voters, in the richest country in the world, some 20% of the world’s total, and yet you trivialize that.

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          James X

          Short memory. Remember in the early stages the “expert models” were estimating anything from 250,000 to 2.5million deaths in the USA by the end of the pandemic! I would say they’ve managed pretty well. The USA is pretty much in the middle of fatalities per 100,000 population so far compared to all other co7ntries. Also remember hospitals reporting a COVID death in the US receive a significant payout – and that’s not going to inflate stats?
          The big question is why China has had 0 (yep zero) reported deaths in 6 months. Why? How? You believe that?

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            Small Footprint

            4% of the world’s population, over 20% of the worlds deaths from Covid. That is a failure.

            you are supporting a government and a president who are incompetent on that measure, which is just one, but the most obvious and important one.

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              correct. All those other countries had similar modelling based on projections based on the prevailing response and knowledge at the time and did much better; the US did 5 times worse than the world average from then on.

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          Jonesy

          you are a victim of the media, SF- Data from the CDC for 2018. I suspect this year is a little different because some illnesses like cancer could have “metastasized” under the cover of covid.

          Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
          Heart disease: 655,381
          Cancer: 599,274
          Accidents (unintentional injuries): 167,127
          Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 159,486
          Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 147,810
          Alzheimer’s disease: 122,019
          Diabetes: 84,946
          Influenza and Pneumonia: 59,120
          Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 51,386
          Intentional self-harm (suicide): 48,344

          So, COVID lies above actual accidental death and below cancer but, when you combine influenza and respiratory death. Covid is just another flu. If the people who actually know about these things actually ran defence like they should have.. Isolate the frail susceptible people from the community…the death rate would have been far lower. who do you blame for that? the NY governor is who you blame!

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      Ted O'Brien.

      1,000 needless deaths a day?

      How many people died in the USA last week?

      How many died in the same week last year and the year before?

      How many of those deaths were “needless”?

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    RossP

    The US Supreme Court have a major test on their plate now. Pennsylvania have certified their vote. As I understand it they still have not resolved the issue of receiving votes after 8.00 pm on election night. The state legislature said it should not happen ( they make the rules !!). The state SC over ruled this somehow so the USSC was bought in. They put it on the back burner until after the election and this has not been resolved.

    So the USSC cannot ignore the situation otherwise it is essentially bowing to mob rule and it would lose it’s authority. Does it assert it’s authority and rule by what the Constitution says –the State Legislature makes the rules. If this happens then hundreds of thousands of votes must go out and I think those who certified the vote have committed a criminal offence, under US law.

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      Jojodogfacedboy

      The biggest problem right now is the judges are human and have lives that media and internet have their addresses. Staying out of this may be their only option as many other people have been threatened and families threatened as well. Obviously the FBI and Homeland Security have been useless.

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        crakar24

        True but the looney left also have lives etc, when in Rome and all that.

        If SCOTUS sits idly by on this then America as a country is truly doomed, i dont think they will they will step in at some point and rule on PA

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          sophocles

          The justices of SCOTUS took over the Pennsylvania courts at the end of last week. Last Friday.
          Don’t panic.

          https://www.bitchute.com/video/PrLVwNUj9sc6/

          Watch the video while you’re there …

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            sophocles

            Ah, life’s back to normal.

            The scripts have recognized me again and are tipping my posts into moderation once again. Gotta admit it: I was missing that little bit of favoritism …

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          RossP

          Mike Huckabee made an interesting point on his latest You Tube channel. In the 6-8 months prior to the election the Democrats had their lawyers out in full forces pushing for electoral law/regulation changes in various states. All the changes to favour the Democrats. There were about 300-350 changes. These were mainly made by judges. Mike Huckabee said they are all unconstitutional because as people are now starting understand only the State legislators change set the rules for elections.

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    Lawrie

    I realise I am a bit thick but how should one read the results of what matters most? Every column adds up to more than 100%. 49% named the wuflu 41% named unemployment and 30% worried about health; there is 120% right there let alone the rest. Please explain.

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    Harry Passfield

    It’s reported in the UK press that Biden won, polling a RECORD 80 Million votes!! That alone has to set alarms ringing. He thinks it’s all over. He has misunderstood – again – Trump’s tenacity. There’s a fat lady in the wings…. (I wonder what she will sing…)

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    Jo
    In business a motion of no confidence is treated very seriously and usually heads roll somewhere.

    In the US it has completely passed that level as you report a very large part of the population have no confidence whatsoever in the election result but also in the overreach around covid. They also see the ridiculous mask mandates, curfews and other meaningless authoritarian measures for what they are, power grabs by Leftists.

    If Biden becomes President it is totally laughable that things will miraculously improve. They will get worse as no attempt has been made to ensure the integrity of the election process by the Democrats and people will have no confidence in the Dems as a result, believing that they cheated their way to power.

    Unlike Victoria, where people put up with the over the top and wrong attacks on them by Dan Andrews, a large proportion of the US population will have nothing to do with any govt edicts. And mad unscientific attempts to shut down the fossil fuel industry , and other psychotic measures, will meet enormous resistance, that could easily lead to armed resistance. The right to bear arms was sensibly put in by the Founding Fathers as an insurance policy that if the circumstances we are now seeing bear fruit then the populace can overthrow a crooked govt.

    The only way I see forward here is for Trump to assume govt, declare the results of the election void and restart the whole process, with paper ballots, ID checking, unquestionable scrutineering and no mail in ballots. That way the process can be reputable and the USA can move forward properly.

    Anything else will only lead to a very bad situation.

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    Ian Hill

    Jo, there’s a bug in the “Issues That Mattered” graph when you click to enlarge it, at least on my desktop. An error message appears.

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    Dave in the States

    I’m not going to fly the official ensign. I’m going to fly George Washington’s An Appeal to Heaven ensign, instead, for now.

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    The US is now provoking Russia in their own territorial waters now.
    They tired every trick in the book and now doing a direct provocation in their waters.
    Need another war as they want Biden in.

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    Greg Cavanagh

    This was always the plan, and it looks like it’s been very successful. They want to destroy the nation and rebuild it. They’ve said this, they say this.

    Matthew 12:25
    Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand.

    Mark 3:25
    And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.

    Mark 3:24
    If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

    Luke 11:17
    But he, knowing their thoughts, said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and a divided household falls.

    Mark 3:24-25
    If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.

    Mark 3:23 ESV
    And he called them to him and said to them in parables, “How can Satan cast out Satan?

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    wokebuster

    Can’t wait for MSM’s running coverage of President Biden’s socks.

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    markx

    I’m pleasantly surprised to see 20% of Republicans are not yet fully programmed.

    Anyway. What’s happening with the Frankfurt server, captured and imprisoned in the White House?
    That really interests me.

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    Peter C

    George Soros Not arrested for Election Interference!
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/soros-arrested-philadelphia/

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    PeterS

    Although we all already knew it and others have already exposed it, this exposes in simple terms how powerful the effect of Big Tech was on the US election. So, one could argue that the various means of election fraud were not necessary but they were done to make sure Biden would win so many college votes. This double whammy is not going down too well for the millions of Americans who believe fervently all this to be true. What happens next regardless of who ends up being inaugurated as the POTUS early next year is pretty obvious.

    What effect did Big Tech have on the 2020 presidential election?

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    James X

    The real question is about free will vs determinism surely? About honest discourse and discussion vs lies, propaganda and disinformation? This has always been the battle. Seems to me the forces of evil are winning and the Hollywood golden rule is in ascendency vis “do unto others before they do unto you”.

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      PeterS

      The forces of evil are winning the battles and will continue to do so until they lose the war in the end, which is where it really counts (no pun intended).

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      PeterS

      As for free will vs determinism, I don’t want to turn this into a theological debate about the failings of Calvinism but you do make a valid point.

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    Peter C

    On behalf of the entire Trump Family, I want to wish every American a Healthy and Happy Thanksgiving! Today we gathered in the Rose Garden to continue a beloved annual tradition: the Official Presidential Pardon of a very fortunate Thanksgiving Turkey

    https://gab.com/realdonaldtrump

    Not sure about the other so called Turkeys?

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    Simon

    79% of Republicans believe the election was stolen because that is what their President has told them. He has yet to provide evidence in any court.
    The mainstream media has been circumspect and generally not reported anything without evidence. It is the non-mainstream which has promulgated misinformation and unfortunately a lot of Americans get their news from social media, which amplifies divisions and controversy.

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      PeterS

      The mainstream media has been circumspect and generally not reported anything without evidence.

      Well, in that case they shouldn’t be reporting anything at all and they all should go on holidays. That’s the whole point of this thread, in case it slipped through your mind. Much of the evidence is yet to be revealed at the courts. It remains to be seen if it is sufficient to prove the election was stolen from Trump. Also, I see no evidence at all by the Democrats that the election was conducted in a proper manner. On the contrary, we all have seen much evidence to say they have blocked attempts to make sure it was conducted in a fair and proper manner. The only question that hasn’t be answered is was it sufficient to steal the election from Trump. Only time will tell.

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        Greg Cavanagh

        The main failure appears to be the Electoral Commission. They’ve been almost completely absent from the discussion entirely.

        Why is it up to the candidates to take the issue to the courts? This requirement seems to be the principle failure.

        The other failure is in methodology. Each State can run their elections any way they choose, and so they do. Therefor there is inconsistency between States, and any State that has bad actors in it will subvert their elections and try to hide that fact. But even this failure comes back to the Electoral Commission not property validating the election results for each State.

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    A Crooks

    Here is what I think.
    The Democrats have learned two things. The easiest way to win an election is to cheat. And, secondly, the mainstream media will play along with them.
    I’m predicting that by the next election (assuming Biden will be confirmed) voter fraud will be cemented into L.A.W. and that it will be impossible for the Republicans to ever win again.
    I’m predicting too that this style of voting, because of its success, will propagate throughout the entire US electoral system State and local, to ensure that only the “correct” people ever get voted in.
    The most significant part will be that the focus of the race for the next US Presidency will become the Democratic Party Primaries since that will decide the winner of the Presidential race. This means that this behaviour of voter fraud will also become standard practice in the Democrat Primaries since selecting the Presidential nomination will now become even more important.
    Actually, Im suggesting that Burnie Sanders and his team might actually be thinking about how Clinton and then Biden beat him in the run offs in the last two Presidential races.
    Control of the USA will pass to the Oligarch who controls the voting system – expect to see some fireworks all round!

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      PeterS

      I will suggest one change to you thinking. Such a scenario will not necessarily prevent Republicans from being elected. The increasingly fraudulent system will select the appropriate politicians suitable to run with the global agenda, and they can be Republican or Democrat (or other for that matter). After all, it has already worked here with PM Morrison on the side of the global agenda to reduce our emissions. In some respects we are ahead of the US in playing out the Great Reset using CAGW as one of the excuses.

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        PeterS

        Note, when I said it has already worked here I didn’t mean that our voting system if as fraudulent as that in the US. I was referring to the voter apathy and MSM propaganda that’s rampant, plus the untruths told by our PM. All politicians tell untruths but some more than others, and IMHO PM Morrison told a big one when before he became PM he was telling us how important coal was to our energy future.

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          Ted O'Brien.

          Scott Morrison is serving two masters. The Liberals and the Nationals.

          I am quite sure that it is the Nationals alone who have held Australia back from embracing the AGW scam full bore, right from the time Barnaby Joyce was elected to parliament. They knew it was a scam but he articulated it for others to understand.

          We should hope that Stockholm Syndrome does not take over in the National Party. I see signs of it at the state level in NSW.

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    William

    That MSNBC interviewer is an utter disgrace – he keeps on saying that he will give her a chance to respond and then proceeds to interupt and talk over her when she is explaining where things are – I wouldn’t have remained as calm as she did. He is effectively calling her a liar.

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    Jonesy

    MSM coverup. I was watching Fox when Arizona was called. Bauer was incredulous! Then Wisconsin flipped. In Australia this was early evening for us. seeing this in real time did not make sense. Then reports started coming in about 6000 votes wrongly attributed to Biden in Wisconsin..a machine glitch…how many machine glitches does it take to dump 183889 biden votes into the system to jump Trump for the lead? All this in real time for us. Something was going down. Florida was read to call early, Texas was ready to call early, One of the Carolina’s was read to call early but they called Arizona with less than 30% counted..something smelled wrong. This was the same play they used for Crooked Hillary, but in the end the Tsunami caught up to them and flooded out the tally. You could see the raw data that Trump was way ahead…….but…..Just like Crooked Hillary predicted…the postal votes started swamping that huge lead. How is that possible?

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      Maptram

      A couple of days after the election there was a blog on this site that included a few minutes video of live TV coverage of the count, a period of about 1 minute during which Biden’s count for Pennsylvania increased by about 19728 votes and Trump’s count decreased by the same amount. Perhaps another machine glitch.

      Have such glitches been explained and corrected.

      As well, the video is visible evidence of error.

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    exsteelworker

    Biggest fraud election in world history,corruption wins. The Democrats will steal the senate in January as well. Then the ” new green deal ” will be forced on every rich western nation, but what do renewables need? MINING….and what’s Australia good at….MINING! Let the future generations clean up the mess that their green parents created. Millions of acres of land covered in “renewables “. Killing the earth to save it.

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    crakar24

    I think those % will change now that the Antifa leader of PA chapter has issued an ultimatum to Trump

    “We are armed…If you do not concede by Sunday at noon, we will begin to block roads in conservative areas”

    Would be interested to see how those numbers change on Monday as Trump wont concede by then

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    crakar24

    LOL

    In GA, during (late?) Sept, Dominion’s radical Leftist Eric Coomer made a “critical software change” to GA’s Dominion voting machines “without adequate testing or certification from the U.S. Election Assistance Commission”. From this 9/29/20 AJC story https://t.co/Mhn8wIcewK pic.twitter.com/GtpN1SzOXF

    https://youtu.be/HMVROeUnilA

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    exsteelworker

    Share market sky-rocketing! Why? Is it because of an imminent covid vaccine? Or is it that Western nations will be forced to go 100% renewables, and who have their grubby fingers in the renewables pie? WALL STREET, MULTINATIONALS, DEMOCRAT BILLIONAIRES. Renewables is a whole new business, share market, TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS of dollars to be made. They can’t lose when every Western government( taxpayers)subsidies half the renewables business. Wall Street have won the the US election. Enjoy your renewables killing the planet to save it future kids.

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      Kalm Keith

      I noticed that too over the last few days and the Aussie dollar has gained noticeably against the U.S. Dollar.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      I’d call it inflation.

      A dollar is worth what you can buy with it.

      If you print more dollars but do not produce more stuff to spend it on, up goes the unit price.

      Governments are furiously printing more dollars while less stuff is being produced. This does not bode well for our future.

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        Kalm Keith

        But the increase in the Aussie dollar suggests that the US government is printing more than Scomo and our states.

        Maybe wall street is riding our shares to the top for a quick profit that they can use to quickly short the market.

        Do they pay tax here?

        KK

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        Kalm Keith

        Sorry Ted, I think I got that round the wrong way.?

        I need to sit down with a pencil and paper.

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          Annie

          Oh well, a green from my very tired-of-it all brain!

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          Ted O'Brien.

          Whatever they are doing, they have a lot of extra paper dollars to do it with. You are not far off the mark.

          Before our currency was floated nearly forty years ago, the Aussie dollar was punters’ chaff. Manipulated at our cost by people we called The Gnomes of Zurich.

          Right now I am not too sure that we are not again getting punted. Different set of gnomes? Or the same? When you are looking from here Zurich could be anywhere.

          As for the pencil and paper. You too?

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    Louise

    Over at The Gateway Pundit, tweet by Lin Wood that Sidney Powell will file a major case in Georgia tomorrow.

    She did say that state was first in her list to blow up.

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    Louise

    Over at The Gateway Pundit, tweet by Lin Wood that Sidney Powell will file a major court case in Georgia tomorrow.

    She did say that state was first in her list to ‘blow up’ (figuratively speaking of course)

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    William Astley

    The Organized stupid evil doers, have made the stupidest, biggest, mistake possible. The kind of ‘mistake’ that is only made once in history. Karma is one the side of Good.

    Even stupid evil doers know that discussing and analyzing their evil side of the ‘business’ will help them improve.

    And election fixing is complicated and the discussion of how much fix is required need to have campaign analysis documents attached, needs to be stored on a server for evil doers, along with discussion of payment. And the CIA server automatically tracks the computer that sent the memo/document that is stored and the senior idiots can be tracked to their computers. When they gave the go to for the election fix which the same server time stamps when the change happens.

    Great. A one stop place, for US Milt investigators, to get all of the evil plans, along with thoughtful documentations and cc to evil FBI and evil CIA documentation/discussion centers which are on the same server.

    We know the Rep. also fixed elections. However, the Dems now are super unpopular as they are currently, per the evil Chinese plan, incapacitating the US Federal government. Therefore, the senior Dems all needed the most Fixing for the 2020 election.
    The Frankfort CIA server is the biggest find in intelligent history. The US Military have the server and are currently preparing and organizing.

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    David Maddison

    It’s such a tragedy what has befallen Donald Trump and the people of the United States.

    There is no limit to the evil of the Left and they will not stop until everyone is enslaved.

    I remain hopeful, however, of a slim chance that Trump can still win through the courts.

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      80 million evil voters won the election

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        Kalm Keith

        No;

        the evil that David was referring to was exemplified in the failure or disinterest over the previous 8 years of the elected government to create/maintain jobs in the U.S.

        The voters showed their appreciation for the work Trump put in to fixing that problem and voted accordingly.

        Unfortunately some of their votes were tumble dried by the OBiden team and they will be out looking for them: the votes, that is.

        I hope it all turns out O.K.

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          Remind me. When did the global financial crisis begin?

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            Kalm Keith

            1987.

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              PeterS

              Correct, and it should have ended in 2000 with the dot com bust. Instead they kept pouring money into the system to avoid the pain of the necessary flush, and repeated the same process on each subsequent crisis. Inevitably there will be one crisis too many and the whole pack of cards comes tumbling down.

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                Kalm Keith

                China and the US will be battling it out to see who can print the most money and devalue their currency fastest.

                A little while ago now, the U.S.had borrowed a lot of money from China: so to make it easier to handle the repayments the US devalued the dollar. No wonder China got a bit peeved.

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        Neil Crafter

        and many of them dead, many ineligible to vote and many simply nameless.

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        David Maddison

        Gee Aye, do you really believe 80 million people voted for a candidate that was almost invisible, has dementia and had absolutely nothing worthwhile to offer? It doesn’t pass the BS test.

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          I believe they voted for Joe Biden, not your caricature of him.

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            crakar24

            The funniest thing that seems to have slipped through that tangled web of spaghetti in your head is the hot topic buttons leading up to election night:

            1, Trump was a rayyycist, exuding elitist white supremacy everywhere he went so much so he divided the nation by race indirectly causing the formation of BLM

            2, Trump was a fascist, who fraught for the rights of free speech…oh hang on…..anyway he indirectly caused the formation of ANTIFA

            The dems offered up an even older elitist white guy who likes to sniff little kids hair and the black/brown/red/yellow skinned people in the USA who based on election results flocked to him in droves as if it was the second coming.

            Sorry GA this does not make sense

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              Kalm Keith

              That series of phot opps with a number of young women who obviously felt extreme discomfort was appalling.

              Creepy isn’t the word for it.

              An opportunistic “mishandling” of those situations: one of those and you might say he just had a bad day. But it was a solid, ugly pattern of intrusion.

              If he does that with the cameras rolling, what would he do when no one is looking?

              President?

              KK

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    Evidence Please Please

    A huge percentage or Reps also reject evolution, so they must be right.

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    crakar24

    If in need of a good laugh about the current stench

    https://youtu.be/oQxaGm7eK4U

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    Another Ian

    “Vote Anomalies in Pennsylvania”

    https://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2020/11/23/vote-anomalies-in-pennsylvania/
    ———————

    https://www.distributednews.com/476677.html?fbclid=IwAR3kjs1kPrR9ryfOhSz2u-tAAH51JR17bnJ418QIOqiacatu3SDcOn-F8WE

    A further set of information on actions on the vote anomalies, A trifecta of voting fraud suits being readied by the 3 legal action groups”.

    ——-
    “We now have the Giuliani/ Trump group bring action on Constitutional grounds that Democratic state leaders modified the voting to maximize balloting manipulations.

    The Powell Group going after the tabulation fraud connected to Dominion operation.

    The Lyn Wood group bring action on the Political Deep State politicians for corruption in their connections to the Dominion operations.
    All connected to co-operative international activities of private and governmental actors to control the selection of the next American Administration.

    We seem to have acts of war and treason against the United States of America by persons and governments both foreign and domestic. Even Tom Clancy couldn’t write a book this complex. I can’t wait to see the next chapter as this thing unfolds. We live in interesting times for sure.”

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/11/17/w-o-o-d-17-november-2020/#comment-135372

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    crakar24

    The left are incapable of learning from their mistakes even ones made just days ago and the result of that one was for Georgia Gov to call a complete audit (not a recount) but audit.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/milwaukee-elections-commission-refuses-allow-trump-reps-see-absentee-ballot-envelopes-ballots-clearly-stopthesteal/

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    Ian

    Jo Nova.

    As you know I’ve been posting here for 8 years and I’m surprised that moderation allows through comments such as 2.2.1 in which the author who disagrees with my views states:

    “Ian you are a $h$t human controlled by the MSM.”

    Clearly the writer thinks obscene personal abuse is perfectly OK. I don”t. Nor do I think it is in keeping with this blog and am disappointed to find that apparently it is.

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      Ian,

      if you write a direct email about abuse, in my experience, it is likely it will be removed.

      to report “lost” comments or defamatory and offensive remarks, email the moderators at: support AT joannenova.com.au

      now whatever happened to old…

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      crakar24

      LOL,

      What is next in the leftist play book?

      You intentionally spread spread false information thats deception another page out of the leftist play book

      A critique of your links provided in 2.2

      Link 1

      Opening word is Atlanta inferring it had a free an fair election, the Gov of Georgia called for an audit of that states votes (not a recount) an audit 3 days ago.

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/pennsylvania-michigan-arizona-announce-election-fraud-hearings/

      Fraud hearings really Ian, your first link is fake news

      Link 2

      This link is irrelevant included simply to add credence to your false claim

      Link 3

      Tells us why the election ran smoothly, smoothly implies it was well organised from a voter POV, this link tells us nothing about the quality of the vote counting, once again this link was added to embellish your fake news

      Link 4

      This link was added for the same reasons the other two were added.

      Its like that old sayng Ian walks like a duck, smells like a……….you are what you are

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        This link is irrelevant included simply to add credence to your false claim

        an admission of defeat via torturing of the language.

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        Small Footprint

        So far the process, including the electronic voting has been declared fair. State by State have certified their results, and yet…

        Now, since you have the “leftist playbook” could you post a link so we can all get a copy.

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    Ruairi

    All the false news from M.S.M.,
    Causes unrest and social mayhem,
    Which is biased and fake,
    So for goodness goodness sake,
    Be smart, think straight and avoid them.

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    Ian

    Lnk1
    Georgia’s Republican Governor Brian Kemp certified the state’s election results Friday, saying that now that the results are certified, the Trump campaign can pursue other legal options to call for a recount. Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, also a Republican, told reporters Friday morning that President-elect Biden had definitively won the state, after the state’s hand recount was completed Thursday.

    But Kemp didn’t endorse the results, instead calling for another full hand recount. Kemp, who served as Georgia secretary of state before Raffensperger, has not publicly defended the state’s election process from accusations from the president and his campaign. He alleged Friday that the audit revealed significant errors made in several counties, including Floyd, Douglas and Walton.

    Kemp said the audit only looked at ballots, not the signatures on the absentee applications or the signatures on the ballot envelopes. He called for Raffensperger to “consider addressing these concerns” and conduct a “sample of audit of signatures on absentee ballot envelopes and compare those to the signatures on applications and on file that the secretary of state’s office.”
    Note that point very carefully
    The Georgia Secretary of State’s office has said repeatedly that at this point in the process it is not possible to match signatures — which already took place as a part of a two-step signature verification process — because ballots are separated from envelopes to ensure the secrecy of voters’ selections.

    Trump tweeted

    `’The Governor of Georgia, and Secretary of State, refuse to let us look at signatures which would expose hundreds of thousands of illegal ballots, and give the Republican Party and me, David Perdue, and perhaps Kelly Loeffler, a BIG VICTORY…

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    Nov 21
    …Why won’t they do it, and why are they so fast to certify a meaningless tally?

    Fake news?? I don’t think so.

    A tweet in response stated

    Why won’t they do it?
    (such a dumb question)

    1) Signatures have already been verified

    2) Ballots have been separated from the signed envelopes they arrived in – it’s IMPOSSIBLE to match them up AGAIN

    3) Biden won fair & square (twice)

    Link 2 noted how smoothly the election]ns went. Irrelevant?? Really?

    Your comments on Links 3 and 4 indicate you either didn’t read them or didn’t inderstand them

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      crakar24

      You need to give when you are behind

      https://youtu.be/4WSDMhc7BnY

      For anyone who wants to see/hear what the Gov actually said not the abridged leftist fake news view

      This info is not hard to find, you are not fooling anyone with this fake news.

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        Ian

        Yeah I listened to it. Governor Kemp wants a sample audit but how many ballot papers will be checked he doesn’t say. Much of his address is devoted to the Senate run-off in January

        I thought you hadn’t read/had not understood the material you state is Fake News for in fact I emphasised the sample audit to which Governor Kemp referred in the video.

        ““a sample of audit of signatures on absentee ballot envelopes and compare those to the signatures on applications and on file that the secretary of state’s office.””

        Presumably his spoken comments are also Fake News

        Perhaps you could be a little more diligent in precising what you read instead of dismissing it out of hand and then using it to validate your response. Not a good look at all

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      Meglort

      You are missing the real story.

      As McInerney (3*) put it:
      “President Trump won in a landslide. Now we have to prove it,” McInerney says. “Fortunately, we have that information and we are going to expose it … This is the largest cyberwarfare attack on a democracy in history.”

      So all this civvy stuff going on is just window dressing, but at the end of the day is just setting the stage for the real operation that appears to be progressing. It is said the SCIF tracked live network connections into, out of and through the voting centres and the CIA vote rigging operations.

      Why do you think JSOC now reports to the POTUS and the Defence Secretary is a counterterrorism expert? Do you really think that a national security operation is going to trot out all of their classified evidence and ops log to satisfy a bunch of lame-brained leftard know-nothing morons through a media circus whom they know to be utterly corrupt and dishonest and in bed with the Democrat pedos?

      Once they kick the doors down at 2am and punch a hole through the plotters heads that resist, I have no doubt you will find out what the evidence was that is declass as will we all.

      In the meantime still enjoy your pizza.

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        Crakar24

        I read somewhere trump et Al watch the election in a SCIF, my first thought if this is true then it really was a well planned (and executed) sting and the looney left walked straight into it quick GA Google SCIF and debunk me lol

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          Meglort

          I have seen that pop up from a couple of different (qualified) sources.

          The way this seems to be playing out to me is the court processes are more the justification for the result than the rationale for the effect. They are the fluoro light to keep the moths interested.

          In the meantime the capability is deployed, the network characterised and the logistics planned. Looks more like that every day to me.

          “When strong, avoid them. If of high morale, depress them. Seem humble to fill them with conceit. If at ease, exhaust them. If united, separate them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.”
          (Sun Tzu, 5CE)

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            Crakar24

            Apparently the 2018 mid terms were rigged hence the EO and the sting was set for in place.

            Will be interesting if true

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      Mark D.

      More fake something! scroll down and you read

      “The participants observed Trump through the lens of the media, so it is unclear how well their assessments reflect his actual personality“.

      Great defamation piece there and from a pile of shrinks. Yup, and what does that make you out to be? They write crap and you shovel it around.

      Trump Derangement Syndrome!

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    Yonason

    Democrats stole the election, and here’s how…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcKG6O2nQuc&feature=youtu.be

    (apologies if anyone has already posted this)

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    Alice Thermopolis

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpT2Rz4rTWM&feature=emb_rel_end

    BREAKING NEWS: Sidney Powell Tells Lou Dobbs Her Lawsuit In Georgia May Be Filed As Soon As Tomorrow
    329,232 views
    •Nov 24, 2020

    SP: “widespread election fraud” uncovered, “absolutely no doubt”. Trump won “in a landslide”. His presidency “will be saved”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTCWszR-6mU

    BREAKING: President Trump Legal Team To Do PUBLIC HEARINGS On Election 2020 | NewsNOW From FOX
    503,193 views
    •Nov 25, 2020

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    beowulf

    The Michigan legislature is now organising an investigation into voting discrepancies (after the 2 Republicans on the Wayne County Board of Canvassers caved in to pressure) — especially investigating the Wayne County/Detroit shenanigans. Guiliani’s team is getting involved in the hearings.

    Regardless of the certification of the result by the Democrat MI Sec of State (which is more for theatre than for real effect), it is the state legislature that ultimately certifies the state’s vote result by appointing its Electors to the Electoral College. If the legislature decides that the state’s vote was too compromised it can constitutionally refuse to appoint Electors and thereby withhold its 20 votes for the office of President, regardless of what comes out of the Sec of State’s mouth to the contrary. So, watch this space. If 3 major states do that it is game over for Biden.

    The MI Supreme Court has itself called for voting fraud evidence that it termed “compelling”, to be re-submitted for evidentiary review in a new case after the court dismissed as “moot” a case filed for an injunction to stop the certification of the Michigan result, simply because that case was filed too late. In an almost unheard-of move, the justices were so impressed by the evidence of fraud that they asked lead attorney David Kallman of the Great Lakes Justice Centre to re-file his case under a different point of law. His evidence includes affidavits from a former attorney general, a former secretary of state and many other prominent and ordinary observers of what took place during the count.

    Justice Alito of the SCOTUS has also flagged constitutional non-compliance issues with what happened in MI and other states, including those that defied a court order to segregate late/mail votes. There are so many angles of attack possible on this corrupt election result.

    So the MI vote result certification may be overturned yet again on criminal grounds or some such, or the court’s evidentiary findings may influence the legislators to withhold Electors. The court and the legislature are both going at it from different angles. This thing is NOT over in MI.

    The full ballot audit just ordered in Georgia is a real worry for Biden. He currently leads in Georgia by about 12,000 but there are about 40,000 postal votes likely to be tossed out by applying thorough auditing and the expected historical rejection rate of 3% instead of the current 0.24% where almost anything goes — which the 2 dodgy re-counts that have taken place so far have failed to examine. Things are happening in the critical states people and none of them aid Biden’s chances.

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    Crakar24

    In an attempt to thwart the fake news activists on this site

    I give you this

    https://thepalmierireport.com/nevada-judge-agrees-to-hear-evidence-of-illegal-voting/

    One again Ian’s link 1 is shot to $41t

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    Crakar24

    Ok so you can say whatever you “believe” but when it is patently false then it is lies. Would you prefer Ian’s lies go uncontested?

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      Ian

      I have to give you marls for trying but nO marks at all for consistency and understanding. The lies you claim I told are exactly there same as the video you showed of Brian Kemp in Georgia. Are you not able to see the link I gave was to a printed son]ce reporting accurately on the video to which you gave a link. My lies and your lies are identical. Check it out.. I’ll give you some help ids you like to make the comparison as it seems it may be beyond your capabilities

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    Deano

    By referring to Biden as “President Elect” and always using the phrase “without evidence” whenever reporting on Trumps claims of fraud, the MSM is priming their attack dogs like BLM, ANTIFA etc to go berserk should the courts rule in Trumps favour.

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    Matthew Wall

    They could teach om people how to count and won’t need machines to do it. Deserve what they got.

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    CHRIS

    Bring on December 14

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