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Michael Yon: the US is in early stages of a civil war. “Unmistakable”.

Michael Yon is a journalist and photographer who has served with US special forces overseas. He is the “most experienced combat correspondent” in the US. He covers wars overseas, not elections, but says the US is in the early stages of a civil war. “It’s unmistakable. ”

First watch Alex Jones’s footage of January 6, then hear the details from Yon.

Provocateurs tried and failed to incite even more violence at Capitol Hill

Trump supporters were hard to “whip into action”.

How easy would it be for a couple of hundred provocateurs to attend a rally with nearly a million law abiding citizens and create mayhem?

Why was John Sullivan, a known and violent BLM activist, leading the spearhead of the protest? He was not just in the lead, he was the man who filmed Ashli Babbit’s shooting and death. The Daily Mail even reported this, and accepted that he is a known left wing activist, but “did not specify what exactly brought him there”. What brought him there was evidently the urge to tell Trump Supporters to “Burn Down the building” which they wouldn’t do.  John Sullivan was last seen wandering the streets freely, not charged with anything.

Trump supporters did not set fire to anything, they didn’t set off the handy pipe bombs left lying around. They also didn’t shine lasers into the eyes of police officers, or destroy any heritage art or historic statues. Even the New York Times reports that “The damage was largely limited to broken glass, busted doors and graffiti….”

But that’s a constitutional crisis. “Impeach him!”

UPDATE: I haven’t commented on the tragic death of Officer Brian Sicknick, a Trump supporter appallingly beaten to death on January 6th. I await evidence as to  who was responsible.

“Your outrage is being manufactured”

Alex Jones, of InfoWars was at the protest. He says the provocateurs hoped to create much more damage, but failed:  It only got about 1% of the violence they hoped for because honest law abiding Trump supporters were so hard to whip into action.

This is quite a powerful little video:

By infiltrating traditional protests Antifa and BLM  make it hard for law abiding citizens to be able to protest in future. Each event becomes an advertising meme for those prepared to lie, cheat, loot and vandalize.

Blame the media. When the left loot, it’s a peaceful protest. Will any of the Antifa and BLM troublemakers get charged or lose their job?

“The US is in Early Stages of Civil War”

UPDATE: Here’s Michael Yon, who worked for 7 months in Hong Kong with the resistance there, and was also at Capitol Hill. He says that Antifa were training in Hong Kong at the time and they have brought back many of the well honed tactics from there — including shields, and the professional agent provocateur. People were also changing their clothes on the scene. He’s written three books trying to warn the Japanese they are facing a similar situation.

The Epoch Times say they have many videos of Trump supporters calling out the Antifa members and trying to stop them damaging things.

 

At least the Wall Street Journal is reporting expert legal advice who says:

No, Trump Isn’t Guilty of Incitement

Inflaming emotions isn’t a crime. The president didn’t mention violence, much less provoke it.

Wall Street Journal

The president didn’t commit incitement or any other crime. I should know. As a Washington prosecutor I earned the nickname “protester prosecutor” from the antiwar group CodePink. In one trial, I convicted 31 protesters who disrupted congressional traffic by obstructing the Capitol Crypt. In another, I convicted a CodePink activist who smeared her hands with fake blood, charged at then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in a House hearing room, and incited the audience to seize the secretary of state physically. In other cases, I dropped charges when the facts fell short of the legal standard for incitement. One such defendant was the antiwar activist Cindy Sheehan.

Hostile journalists and lawmakers have suggested Mr. Trump incited the riot when he told a rally that Republicans need to “fight much harder.” Mr. Trump suggested the crowd walk to the Capitol: “We’re going to cheer on brave senators and congressmen and -women, and we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. Because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong.”

 

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    John R Smith

    Funny thing about outrage.
    It’s hard to tell the difference between manufactured outrage and the natural, organic, grass fed, non-GMO, gluten free,
    holistic outrage.
    I think Government labeling would be helpful.

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      Simon

      Oh, I don’t know! Manufactured outrage comes with pellets of bricks strategically placed on march routes, sidewalk benches being unbolted from the pavement, Hirst corporation hired trucks dispensing shields as well as placards. You sorta think that planning isn’t for a kumbaya festival! Pipe bomb flares laid along a route would be another fair indication of readying for the outrage, not the lovein.

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      OldOzzie

      Democrat Law Professor: Trump Never Actually Called for Violence or a Riot

      Replying to @JonathanTurley

      …The damage caused by the rioting was enormous, but it will pale in comparison to the damage from the new precedent of a “snap impeachment” for speech protected under the 1st Amendment. It would do to the Constitution what the rioters did to the Capitol: Leave it in tatters.

      Jonathan Turley
      @JonathanTurley

      While I was highly critical of the President’s remarks, he never actually called for violence or a riot. Indeed, he expressly told his followers “to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.” Such marches are common in both federal and state capitols.

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        OldOzzie

        Dems Have Been Endorsing Political Violence for 4 Years

        Hate to break it to you but if Trump had won, there would have been violence on Wednesday, and it most certainly would have been worse. How do I know? Because Democrats have been endorsing violence as a political tactic throughout the Trump Administration.

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        OldOzzie

        Storming of the Capitol was stupid, but Democrats’ flaming hypocrisy is outrageous

        How could the U.S. Capitol Police have been so ineffective when rioters who broke away from the massive, peaceful pro-Trump rally besieged the building?

        Here’s a theory: It wasn’t Antifa or Black Lives Matter out there on the Mall. Perhaps they honestly didn’t expect this kind of violence from a normally law-abiding group.

        Over the years, large demonstrations by tea parties and pro-lifers have had zero violence, with participants even cleaning up litter. By contrast, BLM/Antifa riots erupted this summer in 48 out of the top 50 cities, with dozens of murders, Molotov cocktails, arsons, beatings and destruction of entire city blocks and police stations.

        For the left, violence is just another hammer in their toolbox. Not so conservatives. So perhaps we shouldn’t be too hard on the overwhelmed Capitol cops. Even so, the Electoral College ballot counting by the vice president amid persistent charges of vote fraud should have raised the security level to the nth degree.

        The media were enthralled, knowing that they will be using this abomination over and over to bash all 74 million people who voted for Mr. Trump along with anyone identified as less than “woke.” Already censorious, the cancel culture is about to go full-jacket Maoist.

        There was no such talk of “sedition” during the summer, when more than 570 leftwing riots tore up the nation’s cities. In fact, Democrats and the media kept insisting that the BLM/Antifa uprisings were “mostly peaceful.”

        Two years ago, left-wing protesters occupied the Hart Senate Office Building trying to block Brett Kavanaugh’s U.S. Supreme Court affirmation. When leftist mobs from the Women’s March pounded on the Supreme Court’s doors, MSNBC praised them for “besieging the Supreme Court” and “confronting senators.” Violent mobs attacked Sen. Rand Paul and others after the Republican National Convention. A mob set fire to the church near the White House and threatened to scale the fence. Nobody blamed prominent Democrats.

        All this in no way excuses the Capitol mob, but the flaming hypocrisy is outrageous.

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        Orson

        GIVE IT UP, man! Jonathan Turley gaslights his brand of cool and dispassionate critique, and says “I was highly critical of the President….” In order to not get his Lefty card yanked and chased out of the University.

        Read the signs on the Wall: they will be coming for you very soon, man!

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          Mark D.

          Orson you are probably right. Though Jonathan will still have his card yanked.

          What has to happen before they come for you and me is to Circle the Wagons.

          Notice the capital C and W?

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      Henning Nielsen

      Outrage is bad because the release of all that energy results in more co2-emissions.

      But outage is good because then there is less co2-emissions.

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      OldOzzie

      Scott Adams: ‘I Pledge Allegiance to the Official Narrative’

      If you missed Scott Adams’s broadcast on Monday morning, let me remedy that. There has been a fundamental change to “Coffee with Scott Adams” when it comes to the simultaneous sip, where we all drink coffee together at the same time. Instead of the usual, Adams opened his broadcast with a new directive that will protect us all going forward in this Brave New World. Please memorize and begin each day with this new pledge if you do not want to be thrown off social media and banned from speaking out in 2021.

      “I pledge allegiance to the official narrative. And I affirm that our election systems are the only digital systems that are 100% immune from hacking. I further affirm that there was no election fraud of any kind because we are not allowed to check. Amen and awoman.”

      In order to practice, please stand and say it with Adams several times. He will give you guidance on the proper form and delivery.

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        Don’t forget to add that 100% of vaccines are good for 100% of people.

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          Deano

          Now now Jo, remember that vaccines developed under Trump’s Operation Warp Speed will turn your kidneys into chipmunks and cause the ice caps to melt.

          And that must be true because I heard a bloke say “And that’s true” after stating it.

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      OldOzzie

      Will Democrats, in Their Moment of Triumph, Choose to Rip the Country Apart?

      It’s the wise person who recognizes the limits of his abilities and plans accordingly. It’s the much wiser — and much rarer — person who continues to understand his own limits even while enjoying the pinnacle of their success.

      There is almost zero evidence of today’s Democrats possessing any wisdom whatsoever.

      Before we get to that, let me spend a moment defining the term Democrat.

      I don’t mean your Great Aunt Ethel who has been voting Democrat since the Polk Administration because she’s a nice person who means well but doesn’t pay much attention to politics.

      I do mean Washington Democrats. I do mean the high-level power-brokers who have effectively taken control of the federal bureaucracy no matter which party holds the White House. I do mean the entertainment industry, where acting “woke” is the price of stardom. I do mean our institutions of higher learning, where anti-American maleducation and totalitarian speech codes are the norm. I do mean the Tech Lords of Silicon Valley, Seattle, and elsewhere who don’t care one whit about ideology but who have found the Democratic Party a convenient means of protecting and extending their wealth and power. Finally, there is the American news media, which is supposed to act as our country’s antibodies against corruption and lies, but which instead has made themselves into the Democratic Party’s propaganda arm.

      Have I forgotten anyone?

      Oh, yes: Antifa/BLM street thugs, AKA our postmodern brown shirts.

      Imagine: One party holding the White House, Capitol Hill, the infotainment industry, entertainment and education (increasingly difficult to tell apart), our digital social networks, and even ownership of the electronic infrastructure undergirding them.

      Holding all the reins of power must be a heady feeling for a Nancy Pelosi or a Chuck Schumer or an Andrew Cuomo, or even a Joe Biden, assuming he’s aware enough to understand just how complete his party’s victory is.

      This is the time when Democrats ought to show wisdom enough to take a look at all that power and say: No.

      Would that that were the case.

      This country faces two potentially existential crises.

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        Ted O'Brien.

        Unless Trump comes up with The Big Sting that some people are still promising after weeks of it not happening, hubris will rule, and hatred will be the guide.

        So much so that they should come unstuck fairly quickly. But Heaven help us in the meantime. They’ll have to reverse the props on the border wall.

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      OldOzzie

      The Slippery Path without Outrage

      Australians and other foreigners now require a permit to enter Andrews/CFMEU/Labor Victoria
      Monday, 11 January 2021

      From the Comments

      Jacques de Morton said in reply to Michelle Two…
      Michelle Two,

      Many years ago, I made a joke to my young workmate who was going on a bus overseas holiday.
      I said, don’t be surprised when the East German Police say, “Papers, bitte.”

      How could I have known that identity papers and medical certificates are now required to cross borders in Australia.

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        Mike Jonas

        I had to cancel a trip to Tasmania from NSW this month. Tasmania would have let us in, but Daniel Andrews wouldn’t let us through. Not happy.

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      OldOzzie

      We Will Not Be Lectured by the Violent, Anti-American, Revolutionary Left

      As a matter of scale, we should note that the level of violence and destruction that occurred in Washington since January 6 is some immeasurably tiny fraction of the violence and destruction visited upon cities across America in the orchestrated riots that occurred in the wake of George Floyd’s death. And while the media and its preferred politicians are still actively and outwardly pretending that George Floyd’s death has the slightest thing to do with racist police officers (it doesn’t, and there is not a single compelling shred of evidence anywhere that it does), the media and its preferred politicians are simultaneously pretending that ordinary American taxpayers have no legitimate reason to be expressing their political outrage in Washington.

      That’s a contemptible lie.

      Just ten years ago, we still lived under the naïve presumption that, in a free republic of the people, by the people, and for the people, the people’s elected representatives should be expected to read and understand legislation before voting laws into existence. You might recall that Nancy Pelosi provided a legendarily poor answer when asked about the contents of the Affordable Care Act, aka, Obamacare. The urgency for this bill was predicated upon a perceived healthcare crisis in America, and the result was an abomination comprising 2,000-plus pages of pork disguised as a healthcare bill for the benefit of the American people. “We have to pass the bill before we find out what is in it,” she aloofly said when pressed, earning much public scorn and perhaps singlehandedly delivering a Republican House later in 2010.

      And today, what’s different? As Mark Steyn writes:

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    MrGrimNasty

    It is bizarre that most videos I have seen sees the demonstrators being let/waved in like they were on a guide tour, it was calm, not a riot, they just strolled in.

    The only exception was the corridor window smashing/shooting and one idiot breaking an exterior window, and the crowd clearly knew they were not a genuine Trump supporter, just a provocateur.

    Some minor mischief, superficial mess, – how was this a riot or capable of overthrowing governance? It was just a very soft demonstration.

    And yet BLM, ANTIFA etc. commit real riots, malicious massive crimninal damage, shoot cops almost by the half dozen, stage an insurgency for months, and get lauded by Harris etc. and the media.

    We live in very strange, very worrying times.

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      MrGrimNasty

      I’ve now seen a slightly more ‘violent’ video on the Daily Mail site, a very small group out of an enormous crowd is engaging with some police/guards with riot shields at a doorway – it’s quite brief light-weight stuff, but weird, like they are a completely separate group of people to the massive crowd around – and there just happens to be a photographer snapping away and a videographer there?

      One policeman is pulled out, he’s then ‘saved’, surrounded for his own safety, and gently walked away from the scene. It then abates to a stand-off at the door.

      99.9% of the ‘mob’ is completely disinterested in this, probably unaware.

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      John R Smith

      “Some minor mischief, superficial mess, – how was this a riot or capable of overthrowing governance? It was just a very soft demonstration.”

      It might helpful to think of it as if watching an episode of the “Sopranos”.
      Except Tony is an 80 year old woman that likes ice cream.
      Suppose miscreants break into the Bada Bing!, making a mess and scaring the dancers, causing them to hide in their dressing room.
      Examples would have to be made.

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        John R Smith

        Not trying to take up space. On the other side of the world. See new post early. Actually don’t like being at the top. Not e-mailing anyone, not that important
        Will stay away.

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      truth

      What law-abiding American could possibly trust Biden’s FBI and Biden’s propaganda unit to investigate the Capitol event…to investigate who did what inside the mayhem…investigate the provenance of the pipe bombs etc?

      Many Americans will be reminded that the leaders of America’s real…murderous domestic terrorists ….the Weather Underground …who have lived a charmed life since their murder sprees of the 60s…cloistered away….‘educating’ or indoctrinating America’s children over the intervening years in the bosom of academe…reminded that those totally unrepentant domestic terrorists were sponsors and patrons of the sainted community organiser Obama for his Presidential campaign…and reportedly were frequent visitors to the Obama White House.

      On one of those occasions …when one of the less-devout of Obama’s ardent ‘journalist’ groupies bailed the bomber up and asked him did he regret his bombing days, he said that no …he didn’t…he wished they had set more bombs.

      The last bomb his followers were working on…the one intended to cause mass slaughter…as it was intended for a military dance ….where the New Left terrorists’ enemies ….parents and loved ones of military personnel…. would have been lambs to the slaughter…..that bomb mercifully blew up in the terrorists’ faces and demolished the whole building they were beavering away in…so things were a bit too hot for Obama’s dear friends to continue their bombing from that point on…even though they were ‘Underground’.

      The FBI at that time jailed some of Obama’s comrades’ minions but let his good friends the leaders themselves …who had preached to young Americans that they should ‘Go home and kill your parents’ ,as part of their plot to bring down America and establish Communism….let them walk free .

      No doubt those wealthy well-connected domestic terrorists are big Biden/China/AOC supporters now.

      I wonder are they frequent visitors to Martha’s Vineyard?

      The FBI didn’t bother to prosecute Obama’s murderous domestic terrorist comrades because Hoover was focused on trying to get Nixon….whose Presidency had been blighted and hounded from day one by the drug-soaked New Left and their cheer leaders and especially by saccharine sycophants in the nefarious MSM that eventually …mercilessly …drove Nixon to extreme measures….Nixon who had wanted nothing more than to end the Vietnam war honourably and govern America as duly-elected POTUS.

      So how on this earth …from here on in….can law-abiding conservative Americans ever trust the FBI that has become a malevolent activist political player on the political scene in no-holds-barred protection of the party of the Weather Underground domestic terrorists…. and has virtually declared war on Trump and his conservative supporters …more than…probably many many more than …..74 million law-abiding Americans.

      How can law-abiding Americans trust any prosecutions or investigations under a Biden/China/Democrat /Deep State /Tech Tyrant illegitimate Administration ?

      It’s been truly amazing that there’s been so much forbearance from the Trump supporters over these last four years of daily…hourly …torture and torment….incitement and extreme provocation …at the hands of the Democrats’ Fascist cabal ?

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        Jeremy Poynton

        “Many Americans will be reminded that the leaders of America’s real…murderous domestic terrorists ….the Weather Underground …who have lived a charmed life since their murder sprees of the 60s…cloistered away….‘educating’ or indoctrinating America’s children over the intervening years in the bosom of academe…reminded that those totally unrepentant domestic terrorists were sponsors and patrons of the sainted community organiser Obama for his Presidential campaign…and reportedly were frequent visitors to the Obama White House.”

        One a big buddy of Obama. Mind, why be surprised?

        [Snip. Sorry Jeremy, in Australia some topics are very hard to moderate so let’s just leave it there. – Jo]

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      OldOzzie

      Eyewitness Account of Chaos at the Capitol

      I’ve already given my initial take on the situation. I have additional thoughts, of course, but I heard a firsthand account from a fellow Missourian who was in attendance — at the rally, and later, near enough to the Capitol to observe a lot of what went down in the early moments of the chaos there. And rather than give you more of my own take on things (which undoubtedly is colored by the many layers through which the information has made its way to me), I thought it would be worthwhile to simply share this man’s story.

      I will start out by telling you that I was close enough to touch the Capitol wall. I was 5 feet from one of the outside infiltrators that was trying to put a pipebomb inside the water system of the Capitol. Here’s what I will tell you, what I saw and what the people need to know. Yes, Trump supporters went to the Capitol; they went inside the Capitol, but we were infiltrated by an organized operation. And, I’ll tell you why, but yes it included Capitol Police, people were filming it. When I got to — when that guy — we actually tackled that guy that was trying to put a pipe bomb into the pipe and handed him over to the police. 45 minutes later, that same guy was up on the Capitol, helping people climb the wall. So, that’s why I say that — they released him — they were involved.

      Mike Ferguson: Wow. And, you say “they,” you’re talking about the Capitol Police?

      William: Yeah. They — we — so the guy was trying to put a pipe bomb inside the irrigation system. And he had the tools, and he was taking the cap off of the, you know, the water. And two cops — Capitol Police — yelled at him, and said, “Stop!” So he turns around to run, and he plows into an elderly lady, like a linebacker, which knocks him down. We immediately recognized him. I was there since early in the morning. When you see millions of people walking with Trump gear on, and then you see 30 or 40 together that weren’t — where…they just stood out; we knew; we could tell. And, so we got on him, we stopped him, we tackled him, we held him, until those police officers could catch him. And they took him and everything he had away. And I thought, “Awesome — we just helped the police; we did the right thing.”

      30 minutes, 45 minutes later, that same guy was up on top of the Capitol, inciting the riot — the violence, telling people to go in the Capitol, telling people to burn things down, telling people, I mean, it was so obvious, because I’ve seen these same tactics at some of the riots and things that we saw over the summer.

      So, again, one person’s observations — and perceptions — from a front-row seat. You may appreciate them. You may disagree with them. You may believe them. You may be skeptical. But that’s this man’s account of what he saw and felt that day. Wherever you land on it, I think we can all agree with his message at the end.

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    TomR

    If it is all a charade, rather than election, why won’t someone take some other Joe Biden, and another Kamala Harris, take them to the inauguration as a president and a vice-president? This way the all-important formalities will be fullfilled.

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      C. Paul Barreira

      I think, TomR, that you should answer the question yourself. Who was first the fall off the Democrats’ clown car in the primaries? Harris. Who, until the end, appeared strongest? Sanders. Who have we got now: Biden and Harris. What plans have they—and the Democrat majority in the Senate—for the Supreme Court? This is the one issue around which all others revolve. How long will it take to emasculate the first amendment? Big-tech’s shenanigans will become universal.

      Because the US has no meaningful electoral system, the republic is now dead. Whether Michael Yon, always worth noticing, is right or not, remains to be seen. At a guess the Second Amendment is no match for the power of the state.

      It is an interesting coincidence that Vassily Grossman’s “Stalingrad” should have been published in the past year. Liberty is the central idea. Then reread the Grossman’s own “Life and Fate” and see the same liberty, bought at tremendous cost, being surrendered, character by character.

      The never-Trumpers have a great deal to answer for.

      Living in South Australia, where the school-system has been wrecked, beginning in the 1960s, and now including the universities who have ruined their own libraries, and where government blew up the power station, I have little doubt about the condition of freedom of thought and speech, assembly and religion. All dying.

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        Kalm Keith

        Thanks Paul,

        taking what we can see from outside the U.S., getting the message, and bringing it back home is what’s most important.

        You’ve done that and we have a society to rebuild here.

        KK

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          dinn

          There should be no fear. Each of us is protected. We will be protected by God. I know that each of you will be a warrior, will be a warrior for our country and for your family. I know that each of you will do what is right, not what is easier. Our answer will be a rebirth of devotion to defeat the enemies of humanity. This is a very different administration from what the United States has had in the past.
          -djt, 1-11-21 on video

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        GARETH LEWIS

        But we are a backwater double the size of Texas with <2m people, 70% of whom live in Adelaide. Surely the coming dystopia shall pass us by to some extent, or maybe I am being stupid and maybe we shall just fall later than the US and our own eastern states.

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          Great Aunt Janet

          Perhaps they will just locate the gulags in SA. As a definite Kweensland Kulak, I expect to be relocated in due course.

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          South Australia has the largest deposits of Uranium in the world.

          There might be someone somewhere that wants that….

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    John F. Hultquist

    On January 8th, I (and others) got an e-mail from an acquaintance in Kiama who returned there after a long career in the USA. This person has TDS among other issues. I’ll spare you the details, but my answer is relevant here.

    Over the past couple of years, I note (I think) having any sort of march or demonstration invites the sort of agitators that just want to harm, burn, and tear down whatever is handy. Portland? Seattle?
    Word is that the Capitol Police did not expect this and chose to have a smallish presence so as to not incite trouble. That was a big mistake. I’d have told them, but they did not consult me.

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    Wet Mountains

    We now have a black congressman saying Trump supports would have lynched black members of congress had they not been stopped.
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/hank-johnson-capitol-riot-lynch
    Any doubt where this is going?

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    feral_nerd

    Jo, you probably shouldn’t cite Alex Jones as a source. This is the guy who claimed that the Newtown, Connecticut elementary school shooting was staged, and that all the supposedly grieving parents were actors. Not only is that completely whackadoodle, it’s unforgivably cruel. As far as I know, he’s never backed down from that position.

    Like Caesar’s wife, we skeptics must appear above reproach.

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      Thanks for the warning.

      Alex Jones has done a great video and well worth sharing so I’ll leave it there. Ultimately nearly every Good Guy will have a full page attack dox somewhere. One wrong argument doesn’t rule out the right ones…

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        bobl

        Jo, I think it really relevant to point out that whatever the result – there was only ever ONE candidate in the US presidential election. It was vote for Donald Trump or Vote against Donald Trump. Pretty much No-one actually noticed Biden or his devastating policies, much less voted for him.

        As a result Biden is a lame duck beholden to just about every oligarch and tyrant on the planet. The situation is very bad as Biden can’t stand for anything. Best to hope for is that without a proper firm power structure and powerful competing interests with debts owed by the Democrats, the Democrats are highly likely to implode into anarchy

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          Orson

          I recall a post-election survey asked if Biden voters were voting against Trump.

          Results: 29% – so, roughly one-third. That’s a lot but far from dominant.

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      PeterS

      I agree we shoudl be sceptical as he exaggerates and pumps up things too far to be totally serious. However, his theme is spot on and I suspect he just wants to wake people up by shocking them.

      Also, using your standard of scepticism, we shall see in the coming weeks whether the same thing can be said about most of the other sources we all have seen regarding the election.

      Latest rumour is there will be a nuclear scare (not war) on China to bring them down. Conspiracy theories are so much fun. Too bad the vast majority fail to come about.

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      PeterS

      One thing that is very likely not far out and is very believable is the threat of a massive rise of civil violence as both sides clash in the open if the sources we see continue to push the agenda the election was stolen with the help of overseas interests (and appears it was) and more and more evidence is uncovered to prove it. That is why Jo’s title for today is very apt. As always time will tell.

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        Henning Nielsen

        Peter S; I just wonder about that. About the motivation on the Biden side in any kind of civil war. There is no doubt that the Trump supporters are furious, and rightly so. But will we see a corresponding willingness to fight for Biden? Many Democrat voters agree that the election was false. I don’t see them taking to the streets with guns. Any fighting will likely be between Trump-supporters and Antifa-type rioters, to what extent police and national guard would be involved is difficult to say, they would likely be deployed in larger cities. They can’t cover the countryside.

        Gateway Pundit has issued a strong warning against going armed to the many planned protests in state capitals, saying that this would be the perfect excuse for Antifa to start seriuos shooting, and then blaming “the usual suspects”.

        However, my hope and belief is that the president will give his enemies other things to worry about before that happens.

        https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/warning-not-attend-armed-protests-state-capitols-inauguration-possible-sinister-plot-hatched-radical-left-take-away-gun-rights/

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          Tilba Tilba

          I don’t see [Democrats] taking to the streets with guns. Any fighting will likely be between Trump-supporters and Antifa-type rioters, to what extent police and national guard would be involved is difficult to say, they would likely be deployed in larger cities. They can’t cover the countryside.

          I’m not sure that’s correct.

          Any fighting (if indeed there is any) would be between Trump-supporters and US law enforcement (national guard and various police forces). It would have to be pretty serious for the Insurrection Act to be invoked so that the military was engaged domestically. But I think it would be a mistake to under-estimate the degree to which the state will respond with significant force if required.

          That to me is the problem with fevered talk about a civil war. If Biden supporters, plus Antifa/BLM, don’t turn up anywhere, who are the right going to have their civil war with?

          It’s not state v state of course … the deep political tensions are (mostly) intrastate – between Democrat cities and conservative counties (although that is a broad-brush generalisation).

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      Kalm Keith

      That’s a very important bit of background that and if true would discredit anything that’s said here.

      Best to focus on the real stuff, John Sullivan, for example seems to have been identified, check him and his associates out.

      I remember sadly the Virginia Tech and Connecticut shootings but will watch this video with them in mind.

      KK

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      Lawrie

      I watched his video and did not see one thing that was out of place. He was measured and his video of his actions at the protest showed a man, who while passionate about his cause, was very strong in his advice to be a peaceful protest and to let the world know that Republicans are calm and law abiding.

      It must be a disappointment to the leftist media that Trump supporters are the antithesis of the violent left so much so that they are forced to generate outrage where none is warranted.

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    The Davos Crowd Embraces Big Global Government
    1-26-20 ‘Stakeholder capitalism’ empowers unaccountable elites at the expense of free-market nationalism.
    Globalism touts the supremacy of supranational bodies and accords—the United Nations, the Paris climate agreement and the like. The officials who enter into these pacts often aren’t accountable to those who are governed by such arrangements. This amounts to a technocratic and anti-democratic rule by elites who think they know better, such as the global political, commercial, NGO and investor class so richly pilloried as “Davos man.” https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-davos-crowd-embraces-big-global-government-11580072029

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      PeterS

      Which is why they are so happy to see small businesses destroyed by the pandemic. We are heading to a form of society not much unlike that of China. I know the feeling. I liked the movie Code 46 and felt “happy” and “at peace” seeing a society where everything is controlled and orderly. Of course that was an illusion that I quickly have waken from in no uncertain times. Yet I can see how the West might continue to be heading down that delusional path long enough to reach a point where we live in a society like China’s. Horrible to contemplate but it is a serious threat.

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      dinn, rob

      1-10-21 Joe Biden has hired at least 14 current or formerexecutives from five major tech firms to serve in his administration or advise his transition team.The firms — Apple, Google, Amazon, Twitter and Facebook — have all clamped down this week onPresident Trump and Parler, a social media sitepopular with conservatives. Conservatives have long expressed concern over Biden and Democrats’ close ties to the major tech companies. Apple’s top lobbyist is a longtime Biden adviser. https://www.wnd.com/2021/01/surprise-biden-ties-5major-tech-companies/
      ………..
      Democrat House Homeland Security Chair Wants GOP Senators Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley on Federal No-Fly List https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/terrorist-terrorist-democrat-house-homeland-security-chair-wants-gop-senators-ted-cruz-josh-hawley-federal-no-fly-list-audio/

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      Len

      I noticed that Wesfarmers are going to this year’s Davos as well as Julie Bishop

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        Tilba Tilba

        We have Wesfarmers shares … I trust they learn something lucrative! Who is Julie Bishop shilling for these days?

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    Kevin a

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/BqONKjY2xrCR/
    AN URGENT MESSAGE TO ALL CONSERVATIVES, RIGHT-WINGERS AND PATRIOTS

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    Peter Fitzroy

    A million rioters? My inauguration crowd was the biggest ever? John Sullivan – all the claims made here have been debunked days ago. Antica – not according to the FBI who, pre riot had been investigating far left groups at the expense of the far right. Finally only broken glass, graffiti and busted doors are OK in a riot, that is not a crime?

    Next you’ll be saying that Bill Gates was there

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    Binny Pegler

    The best way to destroy Trump for ever, is to provoke a group of ‘Hot headed dumbasses’ into a full on armed conflict with the National guard.
    This is what the Dems are wishing hoping and praying for.

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      Lawrie

      Probably. They hoped the demonstration on the 6th would do it but they failed to understand that Trump supporters are basically decent law abiding folk unlike their crowd of dimwitted useless idiots.

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    Harves

    Dems and media accuse Trump of inciting insurrection (what? So he’s trying to overthrow his own government?)
    Then Pelosi directly encourages the military to remove Trump’s powers (but apparently that’s not inciting a coup?).

    The competition is tough in the left’s battle for the Golden Hypocrite Award, but Pelosi and Gates are definitely finalists.

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    OldOzzie

    MURDOCK: Allegedly Illegal Ballots Exceed Biden’s Victory Margins in Six Swing States

    EDITOR’S NOTE: This opinion piece was written before overzealous Trump supporters attacked the U.S. Capitol, breached the Senate and House chambers, and shut down the exact debate on vote fraud that Trump backers demanded.

    As the nearby chart details, once a variety of categories of allegedly improper or illegal votes have been subtracted from Biden’s margins of victories, his wins become losses in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. If those states shift into President Donald J. Trump’s column, he comfortably would win four more years in the White House.

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    SILICON VALLEY ESCALATES ITS CAMPAIGN OF TERROR AGAINST PATRIOTS

    This Big Lie that 81 million Americans voted for a vegetable is so important to the Left that anyone who questions it on social media is swiftly persecuted and marginalized.

    Now that the fog of war created by the lying media is dissipating, we have learned that many of the so-called Capitol invaders were not invaders at all.

    They did not “storm” the complex but were well-behaved and allowed in by Capitol police. It was not much of a coup attempt, which may explain why Capitol police posed for selfies with the Americans who allegedly forced their way in.

    One of the more interesting voices on Twitter throughout this crisis has been, interestingly enough, fashion model Emily Ratajkowski who tweeted January 7, asking if anyone else felt that Capitol police “being absent/letting Trump people in/providing insane visuals of MAGA dudes on the floor of the house was wildly convenient to justifying big tech’s rollout of censorship?”

    Moving along, Twitter, long a safe haven for jihadists and other terrorists, is the website that promised to be available to everyone for free speech.

    “Twitter stands for freedom of expression,” Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey tweeted October 5, 2015. “We stand for speaking truth to power. And we stand for empowering dialogue.”

    But that was long ago, before Donald Trump became the 45th president of the United States and Herbert Marcuse’s doctrine of “repressive tolerance” –or simply, no free speech for alleged fascists— took hold.

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      The Control Mechanisms Expand, Big Tech (Facebook) Targets Ron Paul
      Posted on January 11, 2021 by Sundance

      It is not just Donald Trump and his 100+ million supporters of freedom and liberty being targeted, Big Tech is now moving against any voice that would be problematic for the goals and objectives of JoeBama. Today Facebook targets Ron Paul.

      Ron Paul
      @RonPaul

      3h
      With no explanation other than “repeatedly going against our community standards,”
      @Facebook
      has blocked me from managing my page. Never have we received notice of violating community standards in the past and nowhere is the offending post identified.

      The totalitarian enterprises are global in scale. As many have noted, this will not stop with just targeting President Trump and his supporters. Big Tech is now advancing against all voices they deem adverse to their ideological agenda. This is only the beginning.

      Extreme control is a reaction to fear. The globalists, writ large, are fearful of the population. We are at the inflection point.

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        Henning Nielsen

        Clausewitz said: “He who defends everything, defends nothing.”

        Perhaps one could also say that he who attacks everything, attacks nothing, at least successfully and over time. The more frantic the attacks from Big Tech, the more they place themselves in an untenable position.

        Big Tech is really like the scary giant head of the Wizard of Oz, but the curtain is about to be pulled on them, as happened with the wizard. And trolls turn into stone when exposed to the sunlight.

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      The ‘Virtue’ of the New Totalitarians

      Later ages are always surprised by the casual brutality of totalitarian regimes. What they neglect is the unshakeable (though misguided) conviction of virtue that animates the totalitarians.

      As the commentator Howie Carr put it, “some riots are more equal than others.” Like Carr, I condemn what happened at the Capitol last week. But I also “wonder where all this outrage was among the chattering classes when the orgy of rioting, looting, arson and murder was gripping the nation last summer.” (As usual, The Babylon Bee deployed some illuminating satire, writing “Antifa accuses Trump supporters of cultural appropriation.”)

      When BLM rioters were burning cities and attacking the police, Colin Kaepernick publicly called for more violence. Jack Dorsey, the CEO of Twitter, responded by making a $3 million contribution to one of Kaepernick’s charities.

      Which brings me to my own candidate for the most disturbing thing to happen in the last several days: the apparently coordinated attack by Big Tech to destroy free speech.

      Roger L. Simon was not being hyperbolic when he suggested that what we are seeing is the devolution of the United States into a one-party totalitarian state akin to Communist China. It’s not, Simon notes, “communism in the traditional sense. Karl Marx wouldn’t recognize it, not that what he had on offer was any better.” Instead, what we are witnessing is Communism as a sort of “paleo-virtue signaling.”

      “What China actually is (and where the United States is headed or has already arrived) is a form of oligarchic fascism. The capitalist market’s fine as long as it’s my capitalist market and you’re a member of my party.”

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        The ‘Virtue’ of the New Totalitarians

        I see I have used variations of the word “oligarchy” a couple of times. Let me end by using it once more, with an assist from Thucydides. In his account of the end of Athenian democracy, the great historian recounts the conspiracy to assassinate Androcles, a leader of the democratic faction, in 411 B.C. “Fear, and the sight of the numbers of the conspirators, closed the mouths of the rest. . . . Indeed all the popular party approached each other with suspicion, each thinking his neighbor involved in what was going on, the conspirators having in their ranks persons whom no one could ever have believed capable of joining an oligarchy.”

        But there they were—and here we are. It didn’t work out so well for Athenian democracy. Will it be any better for us? No one’s crystal ball is farsighted enough to say.

        Later ages are always surprised by the casual brutality of totalitarian regimes. What those innocent ages neglect is the unshakeable (though misguided) conviction of virtue that animates the totalitarians. The historian John Kekes, writing about Robespierre in City Journal some years ago, touched on the essential point. If we understand Robespierre, “we understand that it is utterly useless to appeal to reason and morality in dealing with ideologues. For they are convinced that reason and morality are on their side and that their enemies are irrational and immoral simply because they are enemies.” That is the position of conservatives in American culture today.

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          Richard Ilfeld

          It is the position of several sides; on the right, on the left, and in the state of confusion.
          Of several groups of young Americans is may be said with some certainty: everything they know is wrong.
          Chose a subject, History, science, international affairs, their views are wrong, and orally received in snippets because they
          cannot read nor cipher at a level to deal with primary sources on their own.
          The left is now exercising enormous power to the disadvantage of the right, or at least a part of it.
          It is hard to imagine the physics of politics will not produce an equal and opposite reaction where the power is reversed.
          This will likely lead to serious federal repression of flyover America. We are already operating outside the paradigms we have accepted,
          except in wartime. If war is declared, or obvious, there will be no use in preaching moderation to the enemy.
          To put it bluntly, if you assert the right to tell me what I can and can’t do and say based on who I voted for, and take economic action against me,
          I might be very upset with you.
          The right claims to draw their assumed morality from the founding documents.
          Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech seems pretty clear.
          Allowing a company granted monopoly power in the public square to do so while claiming clean hands: that dog won’t hunt.

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            The U.S. Might Soon Be Irretrievable

            With the Democrats’ maniacal actions since January 6th, not to mention Leftist tech giants, a fawning and mendacious press, street-mob organizations, and Obama-styled weaponized federal agencies aiding and abetting Democrats, endless conflict is all but predictable. No one can guarantee the USA will exist for the duration of the decade, let alone the next four years, or even this year.

            Our 245-year experiment in representative democracy is rapidly fraying at the edges, and not merely because of anarchists and agitators or a contested election. Big money has always been the controlling factor in Washington D.C. Today, the levels of influence peddling are unprecedented and getting worse.

            – No Middle Ground
            – Bursting at the Seams
            – Fracturing along Ideological Lines
            – No Going Forward Like This

            Regardless, we cannot continue in the current mode. The far-left is pulling away from everyone else in the nation, even from rank and file “progressives.” The age of the “somewhat reasonable” progressive, if there ever was one, is passing rapidly.

            Many on the right would just as soon let the rabble-rousers go: What is the point of trying to maintain the Union with people who wish to “re-educate” you?

            All the above points to the reality that the U.S. as we know it could soon be irretrievable.

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        The Lib-Fascist Purge

        I’m not sure which is my favorite aspect of this disgraceful and dangerous festival of bans, gagging, and silencing that the Establishment embarked upon last week after it finally discovered one kind of riot it didn’t approve of. Maybe it was the journalists cheering censorship. Maybe it was True Conservatives™ like that geek from National Review giving censorship a soft, girlish thumbs-up – perhaps if the libs shut down the competition then people will sign up for NR’s cruises again. Ahoy! Or maybe it was the ACLU trying to balance the realization that having corporations not totally control what people say is bad with the imperative that Orange Man Bad.

        So many beclownings to choose from.

        Oh wait, I forgot the promiscuous use of terms like “insurrectionist” and “sedition,” coming after four years of putting “treason” out on the street to work the corners. Well, if standing up to the fascist Establishment is those things now, you’ll find they just don’t carry the stigma the Establishment is hoping for anymore. In Orwellian America, the meaning of words change as needed. “Capitalism” has changed too – if this Chi Com-smooching corporatist oligarchy is “capitalism,” then I’m something else.

        They want to impeach the president too, and certainly a few GOP invertebrates will go along with it. The idea is not to hold him accountable for some imagined “incitement” – being lectured about fomenting mobs by that withered hag Maxine Waters, whose mess I had to clean up when I mobilized for the LA riots (excuse me, “LA Rebellion”), is almost too funny – but to humiliate you, to try and tar him historically, and to bar him from running again.

        As usual, they are stupid. No one’s getting humiliated since this gambit will fail in the Senate, the certain vote of Mitt (R?-Miracle Whip) in solidarity with the people who accused him of wanting to reimpose slavery notwithstanding. It won’t tar Trump historically – I was never one for the “History’s gonna judge you harshly if you don’t embrace my policy preferences” flex anyway, but Trump’s amazing term cries out for a fresh take in the future by a historian not terrified that his history department is going to fire him for thinking unapproved thoughts.

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      OldOzzie

      Kelley Paul Rips Jack Dorsey: Where Were You When Tweeters Encouraged Violence Against My Husband?

      Kelley Paul
      @KelleyAshbyPaul

      Hey @jack , remember how for the last three years you have allowed thousands of hateful tweets celebrating my husband’s assault and encouraging more violence against him? I do.

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      OldOzzie

      Twitter Evolution – The Truth in one Cartoon

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      Hey, GOOD LUCK with that! Elon Musk fact-DROPS morons cheering ‘West Coast Big Tech’ for censoring Parler as only he can

      Watching mealy-mouthed, frothy-lipped, knuckle-dragging d*ckheads cheer the silencing of thousands and thousands of conservatives on social media by the ‘West Coast Big Tech’ companies has been disheartening. Totally expected but still, you’d think by now they’d have learned that things always swing back the other way.

      Not to mention the same big tech authoritarians who took down Parler may someday come for them.

      Elon Musk spelled it out in one short but sweet tweet.

      Replying to @TheBabylonBee

      A lot of people are going to be super unhappy with West Coast high tech as the de facto arbiter of free speech

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      OldOzzie

      Great TV news report from India on the seditious misuse of market power by Twitter et al

      From the Comments

      Up The Workers! said…

      Brilliant.

      If only our own flaccid, jellybacked joke-politicians had the brains and the balls to match the Indian politicians; but ours are too pissweak to even indulge in mildly cross words with Old Aunty Ita and her $1.3 billion per annum “House of Ill-Repute and Presstitution”, the A.L.P.B.C., so they certainly fall a long way short of the prospect of ever grabbing Zuckerberg or Dorsey by their Chi-Com short-and-curlies and giving a sharp twist.

      It will be interesting to see what the Indians come up with to take on the crooked big tech totalitarians.

      In this battle between the Cowboys and the Indians, I am definitely on the side of Big Chief Sitting-Ghandi and his tribe.

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      Big Tech’s assault on Parler proves it’s gone full cartel
      By Post Editorial Board

      Big Tech is a cartel, and must be regulated.

      Parler, the alternative social-media site that aims to be “the world’s premier free speech platform,” surged to No. 1 on Apple’s app store Friday as Twitter was banning President Trump indefinitely. On Saturday, Apple and Google banned the site, stopping new users from downloading the app — while Amazon began cutting Parler off from its Web-hosting service, forcing it to find a new host or shut down.

      Apple says Parler’s not doing enough to prevent “threats of violence and illegal activity” from running amok. Amazon says the site’s “steady increase in this violent content . . . violates our terms.”

      As we’ve noted before, endless bile roams free on Twitter — hate speech and worse that the company polices in no consistent way. Yet now other tech companies are punishing Parler for failing in the same way. They’re not applying a neutral rule, they’re catering to the biases of their angry left-leaning employees.

      And wow: When people complain about the overwhelming share of their markets controlled by Facebook, Apple, Amazon and Google, the companies’ defenders insist that they compete in important ways, checking each other’s power. This is looking more like a cabal supporting each other — at the least, uniting to enforce a common political orthodoxy.

      A similar argument goes: If you don’t like how Facebook or Twitter enforces its rules, go build your own alternative. Yet Parler did just that, with growing success — and boom, the tech world moves to kill it.

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      Liz Peek: Big Tech censors nation – here’s how Republicans can fight back

      This is about stifling dissent from those who do not buy into the Left’s woke agenda

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    President Trump continues work

    President Trump Awards Medal of Freedom to Jim Jordan
    Posted on January 11, 2021 by Sundance

    Today the White House has announced that Ohio Representative Jim Jordan will receive the Medal of Freedom from President Donald J Trump:

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      OldOzzie

      Morning Greatness: Welcome to the Jungle

      Good Monday morning.
      Here is what’s on the president’s agenda today:

      President Trump will work from early in the morning until late in the evening. He will make many calls and have many meetings.

      Two minutes of hate:

      Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has threatened the Vice President, demanding he invoke the 25th Amendment within 24 hours to remove Trump or this week, the House of Representatives will begin impeachment proceedings against the president. He only has 8 days left in office. If you are in financial distress because your business/job was destroyed during the virus lockdowns and your kids have gone uneducated for 8 months well, sorry Charlie, that’s just not a priority for the Democrats. The purpose of the impeachment is two-fold. First, to escalate the current heated political climate so the Trump supporters will act out and they will gain more momentum for whatever draconian measures and punishment they hope to execute. Don’t take the bait. Please. And secondarily, to humiliate and demoralize the left’s political opposition. Also, don’t take the bait.

      Over the weekend, the tech oligarchs enacted a wholesale purge of WRONGTHINKERS from their platforms under the guise of public safety. And why wouldn’t they? Their desire to purify the public “discourse” has never been hidden, and with the loss of the Georgia senate races, there was no possibility there would be unfavorable regulation coming their way. So here we are. Trump has been memory-holed from the major social media platforms and other undesirables have disappeared along with him

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      OldOzzie

      Cuba is Officially Back on the List of State Sponsors of Terrorism

      Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced Monday afternoon that Cuba, which is ruled by a communist regime, has been reclassified as a state sponsor of terror.

      “The State Department has designated Cuba as a State Sponsor of Terrorism for repeatedly providing support for acts of international terrorism in granting safe harbor to terrorists. The Trump Administration has been focused from the start on denying the Castro regime the resources it uses to oppress its people at home, and countering its malign interference in Venezuela and the rest of the Western Hemisphere,” Pompeo said. “With this action, we will once again hold Cuba’s government accountable and send a clear message: the Castro regime must end its support for international terrorism and subversion of U.S. justice.”

      In 2014, the Obama administration “normalized” relations with Cuba without preconditions.

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    Jacob Chansley, known as Jake Angeli, IDENTIFIED as Trump supporter. But there is more going on here! TRY THE TRUTH.
    https://balance10.blogspot.com/2021/01/jacob-chansley-known-as-jake-angeli.html

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      dinn, rob

      https://balance10.blogspot.com/2021/01/bill-gates-vaccine-alliance-gavi-and.html Bill Gates, Vaccine Alliance GAVI and WHO pushed vaccines on unsuspecting African babies

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        Babies generally suspect very little.

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        Hanrahan

        Clearly there is more money in vaccines than software. You can only sell software to people with a computer and who can afford software, and in a competitive market.

        Vaccines are for everyone, rich or poor, healthy or not. If all else fails you get your tax-exempt entity to buy it, successfully moving money locked up in the tax-exempt to your bottom line.

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      dinn

      1-11-21 video: The time for excuses is over. Now is the time for strength. If you want peace, you must stand strong at all times. Now arrives the hour of action. Today you end one chapter but you are about to begin the greatest adventure of your life. January 20th will be remember as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again. If the righteous men do not confront the wicked few, then evil will triumph. You came by the tens of millions to become part of an historic movement, the likes of which the world has never seen before.
      Now we are calling for a great reawakening. When decent people and nations become bystanders to history the forces of destruction only gather power and strength. This American carnage stops right here and stops right now. Do not underestimate us and do not try us. This would be a fatal miscalculation. It is not which party controls the government but whether our government is controlled by the people…. -a certain president

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      dinn

      (that was Trump. conclusion) There should be no fear. Each of us is protected. We will be protected by God. I know that each of you will be a warrior, will be a warrior for our country and for your family. I know that each of you will do what is right, not what is easier. Our answer will be a rebirth of devotion to defeat the enemies of humanity. This is a very different administration from what the United States has had in the past.
      -djt, 1-11-21 on video

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    OldOzzie

    New York Governor Andrew Cuomo Shifts “We Must Reopen The Economy”
    Posted on January 11, 2021 by Sundance


    With the JoeBama administration looming, suddenly New York totalitarian Governor Andrew Cuomo has a reversal in position:

    If you read that and said… “wha, wait.. huh?”, you would not be alone. After initiating lock-down measures that collapsed the New York economy because there was no other option…. suddenly the risks of economic collapse are worse than the COVID-19 threat, which is the same message President Trump has been sharing for months. What gives?

    The timing of this seems to be connected to the shift in administration; which would imply, publicly, that COVID shutdowns are indeed -as most have said- very politically motivated. (The Bleeding Obvious)

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    William Astley

    The congressional building is going to be empty. Jan. 14th. We are going to experience a happening, Jan. 13th. Everything will be different after the happening. The change is going to start in the US and then spread to the other Western countries. And there will be money, friends, and some very exciting surprises to help the happening. It will be unstoppable, in a great way. This is the most important event(s) in human history.

    Congress is pathetically, corrupt, and inefficient. It is going to be replaced with a non-political, analytical based, system which will be located at a Military base where there are no special interest groups. Washington DC is the world headquarters for every special interest group in the world.

    The congressional replacement system is going to redo two pieces of legislation (one by a Democratic and a second by a Republican controlled house of Representatives) to show (A high quality presentation to explain the corrupt mess that Washington created will be prepared, for both pieces legislation old and new, 1000 page telephone books of pathetic corruption vs 70 page summary of the best possible choice for US Citizens/States, not a dollar wasted or lost) the pathetic waste, corruption, and inefficiency of the US Congressional system. The Congressional replacement system is going to show the public that all of the old US legislation was pathetically ineffective. And the old System created sweet pointless, political, high paying jobs and legal ‘work’.

    One of the not so secret goals of the Dems is to make lawyers richer. Same goal for the Medical Industry. Special Interest groups made bad, stupid, pathetic things ‘happen’ in Washington. Like the Vitamin D deficiency for the US population and particularly the ‘Black’ skinned US people.

    The old system was pathetic, before the Democratic party of America was taken over by the Chinese. No one is going to riot to replace a pathetically, corrupt, inefficient special interest-controlled system.

    Second Issue: Congressional Building Security Failure.

    If a ‘crime’ has committed, who is responsible for the crime? Who is responsible for the Congressional Building Security System Failure? Answer Congress.

    Who is responsible to ensure Washington DC protestors do not damage and get into Congress. Democratic Controlled …..

    Who turned down multiple offers to send National Guard, to protect that Congressional Building? Democrats. Why? Trick question. The Democratic party of America is finished.

    https://apnews.com/article/capitol-police-reject-federal-help-9c39a4ddef0ab60a48828a07e4d03380

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Three days before supporters of President Donald Trump rioted at the Capitol, the Pentagon asked the U.S Capitol Police if it needed National Guard manpower. And as the mob descended on the building Wednesday, Justice Department leaders reached out to offer up FBI agents. The police turned them down both times, according to senior defense officials and two people familiar with the matter.

    I McCarthy said (The Democratic Controlled and Politically corrupt) law enforcement’s intelligence estimates (Made Up numbers as to how many Trump supports would show up along with the Democratic controlled/paid rioters) of the potential crowd size in the run-up to the protests “were all over the board,” from a low of 2,000 to as many as 80,000.

    So the Capitol Police had set up no hard perimeter around the Capitol. Officers were focused on one side where lawmakers were entering to vote to certify Biden’s win.
    Barricades were set up on the plaza in front of the building, but police retreated from the

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      Kalm Keith

      William, this sounds interesting.
      Thanks.

      On a side issue there’s never been any mention of the crowd size.

      Apparently they had approval for up to 30,000 but from one of the incomplete photos of the crowd I estimated no more than 20,000: still a good turnout.

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      el gordo

      ‘No one is going to riot to replace a pathetically, corrupt, inefficient special interest-controlled system.’

      You got that right.

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      Roger Knights

      Apparently it was the chief of the capitol police, since fired, who rejected those offers of law enforcement manpower. His motivation, I strongly suspect, is that he is a little Napoleon type who didn’t want to dilute his authority over his little kingdom.

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      Tilba Tilba

      The congressional building is going to be empty. Jan. 14th. We are going to experience a happening, Jan. 13th. Everything will be different after the happening. The change is going to start in the US and then spread to the other Western countries. And there will be money, friends, and some very exciting surprises to help the happening. It will be unstoppable, in a great way. This is the most important event(s) in human history.

      If this doesn’t come to pass, what do you plan to do? Trade in the crystal ball?

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        Neo

        If this doesn’t come to pass, what do you plan to do? Trade in the crystal ball?

        No, no, no! Plan B is to get beamed up to the Lizard Ship hiding behind the moon and return leading an elite strike force of Toupee Monsters to aid the Donsters controller in taking over the rest of Congress in implementing the brave new world.

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          Tilba Tilba

          Thanks for clearing the matter up.

          I see Donald Trump held a presser in front of a small section of The Wall – at Alamo Texas. There are some historical ironies about the location – and the evil Twitter didn’t miss the opportunity to have a dig.

          So no – no calls for the arrest of Nancy Pelosi, or Brad Raffensperger, or anybody else.

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    Tilba Tilba

    The linked story is rather overtaken by events, OO, or rather in this fast-paced world, is now ancient history.

    But the point remains – it was the role of the forces believing that fraud occurred to prove it somewhere, and to do so well before 6 January … and really, before 14 December.

    Even Republican election officials in almost all those states did not and could not find evidence of fraud.

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      Chad

      …and it was the role of the opposing factions to prevent that hapening before the 20th and ultimately hide all evidence.
      ….but that wont be possible !

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        Tilba Tilba

        It raises the question: Who in fact is the opposition? Only Nevada is in the full control of the Democratic Party, and two are in the full control of the Republicans, as this list shows

        State: Exec – House of Reps – State Senate

        Arizona: R – R – R
        Georgia: R – R – R
        Michigan: D – R – R
        Nevada: D – D – D
        Pennsylvania: D – R – R
        Wisconsin: D – R _ R

        For many of those states, Donald Trump called them in the six weeks after the election to see if the certification process could be changed. He was not calling Democrat politicians or officials – he was calling Republicans.

        But all those states certified their elections by the safe harbor date (8 Dec) except Wisconsin, who certified a day late. Then all those states had just one slate certified and ascertained as properly formed, and they were sent to Congress.

        It seems to me there are two conclusions that can be inferred from this (1) Donald Trump has a lot of Republicans who were not supporters, or (2) those states firmly believed they ran fair and honest elections.

        I can’t buy into the third possibility: that there was substantial demonstrated fraud but it was corruptly covered up, ignored, or destroyed in these six states.

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      Mark D.

      Tilba Tilba, Quit with the denial! You know that Pennsylvania counted votes collected after the legal closing time. Those votes were fraudulently counted. That alone blows your denial out of the water.

      This election counted votes that were not legal. It is undeniable fact.

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        Tilba Tilba

        This election counted votes that were not legal. It is undeniable fact.

        I feel I remain quite agnostic rather than being in denial … however it is undeniable that both the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court and the US Supreme Court declined to rule in Trump’s favour on the matter. What does that now mean … don’t we have to accept the rule of law, even if the decision is not the one we wanted?

        It is a genuine question … I don’t know what people will do if they feel the legal and political systems were stacked against them over the election.

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          Harves

          The courts have not declined to rule in Trumps favour. They have declined the opportunity to make any ruling. They have definitely not ruled whether or not their has been fraud.

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            Cynic of A

            Exactly.
            There is no Judgment published that says the election was not fraud.
            There is no Judgment published that says the election was fraud.
            That simple fact is because there were no court cases heard!
            So, Tilba, please link to the dozens of judgements that declared the election either way.
            Not hearing the case is NOT a judgement. Not hearing the evidence is NOT a judgement.
            The Supreme Court did not hear the case!
            The reason is unclear, but desperation is one possibility.
            Desperate to keep the very, very cushy job.
            Desperate to avoid personal harm.
            Desperate to seem to be on the “winning” side.
            Desperate to avoid any blame that the outcome of their deliberations would be scorned by both sides.
            And, desperate to avoid some skeletons in some closets seeing the light of day.
            I don’t know why you dummies can’t investigate that simple fact for yourselves, instead of following along with the lie that the fraud went to court.

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              Tilba Tilba

              I don’t know why you dummies can’t investigate that simple fact for yourselves, instead of following along with the lie that the fraud went to court.

              The alleged fraud went to court (60 times) and didn’t win … for a whole lot of reasons. I think the most obvious reason is that no-one presented robust prima facie evidence of fraud or state malpractice.

              It did not help that Donald Trump had a hopelessly unskilled legal team. Do we not recall “The Kraken”, or the driveway of the Four Seasons Total Landscaping company?

              There is no need to call me a “dummy” because I have a different perspective (and I concede it’s a conservative one – that the rules of the legal game need to be followed). Ad hominem insults always look pretty childish and … well … weak.

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            Tilba Tilba

            The courts have not declined to rule in Trumps favour. They have declined the opportunity to make any ruling. They have definitely not ruled whether or not their has been fraud.

            Precisely why I chose my words quite carefully – no court, from Petty Sessions in Podunk County somewhere right through to the US Supreme Court with its Republican super-majority – has ruled in favour of Trump or pro-Trump parties in their claims.

            You can search for all the reasons why that might be the case, but one thing the courts do NOT have to do is determine that there was no fraud.

            All 50 states certified their elections, and Congress – by huge majorities – endorsed and confirmed all those state-based election results. The courts have no role in affirming elections when the political process has done so overwhelmingly.

            You may not like these outcomes, but it is up to the dissatisfied to present a winning case to convince a court. The onus is not on Biden to prove the negative.

            I can’t prove there are no fairies at the bottom of my garden … it is up to those who assert there are to prove their claim, no?

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              Ozzie Bowman

              One Supreme Court Judge ordered that votes “Found” after the Constitutional finish time ( i.e. ” illegal votes “) be kept separate. There were twice the number needed for a Trump win. He was ignored………… Two State Senate Committees held investigations that proved massive voter fraud. Full Videos were posted. They were ignored………. A Judge ordered one County to stop illegally shredding votes. The F.B.I. made their only appearance , said they were taking over the investigation , and took the votes back to the Shredders……. For over four years all evidence against Democrats given to the F.B.I. has vanished.

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                Tilba Tilba

                One Supreme Court Judge ordered that votes “Found” after the Constitutional finish time ( i.e. ” illegal votes “) be kept separate.

                To be a bit more detailed, one SC justice (Alito I think) ordered that mail-in ballots received after the regular deadline be kept separate, in case there was a later ruling that those votes could not be included.

                The number of those votes was fairly modest (about 1300 or something like that) – not enough to swing the election. I don’t think they were ever excluded by a court ruling.

                It seems everyone has their own set of facts!

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      TomR

      “it was the role of the forces believing that fraud occurred to prove it somewhere, and to do so well before 6 January … and really, before 14 December.”

      Sorry, but that is not enough time. Such things may take many months. In this sense US elections are broken, as they don’t give enough time for verifications. So if the announced result is wrong – there’s no time to correct it.

      Besides – the original claim, that caused controversy was not “there was a fraud”. The original claim that started it all was “Joe Biden got more votes than Donald Trump in Arizona, Michigan …. etc.”. The burden of proof is on those who make such claim – the election officials.

      Consider for example – the votes were “counted” using machines, that operate based on closed source (secret – known only to the manufacturer) software, rather than transparent, known-to-everyone, published for everyone to see Open Source Software. Same with election software – secret, closed source. As such nobody except for the manufacturer knew what these machines or servers were doing. Telling that machines and servers that nobody knows what they are doing proclaimed that Joe Biden won is not a proof of real result of an election. You can’t prove something based on by unknown, secret stuff.

      Normal countries don’t even use machines, they count votes by hand, which is fast enough and gives less chance for fraud.

      Then there’s a normal, customary stuff, that if product or service doesn’t fulfill standards one can return it without being obliged to precisely explain what he received, or being forced to accept substandard product or service. Thus to reject the claimed outcome of substandard election process it should be enough to show that it was substandard. Without the need to salvage the result.

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        Tilba Tilba

        Besides – the original claim, that caused controversy was not “there was a fraud”. The original claim that started it all was “Joe Biden got more votes than Donald Trump in Arizona, Michigan …. etc.”. The burden of proof is on those who make such claim – the election officials.

        The claim that Biden received more votes did not cause the controversy at all – what did was Donald Trump refusing to concede defeat in any way, and in particular, that for months prior to 3 November he asserted that if he lost the election it would only be because it was rigged.

        Apart from being incredibly insulting to voters, this is hardly strong evidence that he believes in a democratic process. As I have said many times, I remain agnostic – I do not know that Joe Biden won via a fraudulent election, and more to the point, no-one else does either.

        People might think it is a fact, and believe it so strongly that in their mind it is true, but 50 states disagree, and ascertained | certified that their elections were fair and honest. And 60 court cases failed to persuade anyone.

        I’m not sure where this type of discussion can now go.

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    Ruairi

    Is big tech now mentally ill?
    Having opted for full overkill,
    To shut down free speech,
    Keeping Trump out of reach,
    So that lefties can take Capitol Hill.

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    OldOzzie

    Biden’s Back to Tweeting About Unity and Healing Again, and It Goes 50 Shades of Wrong

    Heather Childers
    @HeatherChilders

    You do not “rebuild together” by silencing half the country.

    You don’t “rebuild together” by continuing to fuel hate & incite violence by maligning all #MAGA as extremists & allowing them to be targeted.

    You don’t “move forward & rebuild together” calling for impeachment- again

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      RossP

      Maybe he should be trying to get unity and everyone on the same page, in his own party first.

      One of his minion Congressmen has been pushing for Rep Howley and Sen Cruz to be put on the “no fly ” list because he deems them to be domestic terrorists.

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      OldOzzie

      Good luck with that: Joe Biden says that the theme of his inauguration will be ‘America United’

      After the riot at the Capitol building last Wednesday, President-elect Joe Biden made a statement introducing race into the controversy, assuring the country that Black Lives Matter protesters would have been treated much differently had they stormed the Capitol — throwing the U.S. Capitol Police under the bus and implying they’re racist.

      And as we learned earlier Monday, Biden is going to “build back better,” bringing back all of those small businesses that have suffered or even shuttered due to the COVID-19 pandemic — but he’s going to prioritize black, Latino, Asian, Native American, and woman-owned small businesses. So if you were laid off by a white man, you might be waiting a little longer to be called back.

      So as we wait to see if the House votes to impeach President Trump for “incitement of insurrection,” Biden has announced that the theme of his inauguration will be “America United.” As we’ve reported before, not even Biden voters who follow him on Twitter have shown any interest in his tweets about unity. “F**k that. I want blood,” tweeted comedian David Cross.

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        Richard Ilfeld

        The government is still trying to get aid to victims of storms that happened five years
        ago. A large number of folks, of all shades, will get something back up and running,
        because, you know, they have families to feed. Those who wait for the government may
        get money; I doubt the competition has any fear of them.

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        OldOzzie

        Joe Biden to white people – sorry, we got nothin’ for ya

        Just pay tax please. And be guilty.

        Biden is as much a parody as The Blues Brothers brilliant creation, Illinois Nazis.

        White Men!

        White Women!

        The Swastika is calling you!

        The [email protected], is using The Black as muscle against you.

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        Mark D.

        “F**k that. I want blood,” tweeted comedian David Cross.

        Inciting violent insurrection. I wish to make a citizen arrest.

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      Hanrahan

      Those with TDS would never see the irony here.

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      Henning Nielsen

      “You do not “rebuild together” by silencing half the country.”

      That is correct; for unity and healing they must silence the whole country. But that is just what the Three Musketeers was all about, wasn’t it?

      “One voice for all, and all voices as one!”

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    LisaGinNZ

    I will remain LIVID with COLD ANGER until the FRAUDULENT and ILLEGAL USA state voting systems (Dominion etc) ARE RECTIFIED

    TRUMP LEGALLY WON!!!!!!!!

    Biden/Harris WILL NEVER BE LEGITIMATE

    I am not alone.

    [Snip. Lisa, I snipped so that this could be published. Please self edit and no hints of violence.]ED

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    TimiBoy

    I thought as soon as I realised that 70-odd million US Voters lost their right to vote “woah, Civil War’s coming!”

    Many of those 70 million are prone to anger (Americans), fierce about their right to vote (Freedom), and they own rapid fire weaponry in abundance.

    Unless DJT indeed has a plan and can execute it, I think it likely that there will be large scale, organised violence (war).

    They will take their Freedom back.

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      el gordo

      That is all rubbish, Donald legitimately lost the election because the other side encouraged people to go out and vote. There won’t be a civil war, the voting public is politically apathetic and the militia are just wannabes involved in a disaster movie.

      Once the new Administration settles into stride everything should be fine, the demagogue safely gagged.

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        Henning Nielsen

        “Once the new Administration settles into stride everything should be fine, the demagogue safely gagged.”

        True, Biden will be gagged and maybe bagged soon enough, puppet master Obama will see to that.

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        Sort of. Both looter parties strive to rig the elections, but God’s Own Prohibitionists have this Herbert Hoover fixation with fines, imprisonment, gunfire, asset forfeiture, banking panics, Crash and Depression over drugs like beer. They are a clear and present danger to the economy as in 1907, 1929, 1971, 1987, 2008 and the Flash Crashes. The Dems are parasitical looters too, not at all like JFK, so there is not much difference unless you are female or attracted to plant leaves. Trumpistas influenced Trump into suicidal crusades, and women voters dumped him the way Herbert Hoover got dumped in 1932. Both Kleptocracy halves are pitiful, but get no sympathy from me. I vote Libertarian.

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        Analitik

        because the other side encouraged people to go out and vote

        The most masterfully targetted campaign in US election history.

        Sleepy, creepy Joe managed to persuade hundreds of thousands of people to register and mail in their votes ON ELECTION DAY, without leaving his basement for more than a handful of poorly attended “rallies”.

        BTW, mailing in a vote is not the same as “go out and vote”

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        TimiBoy

        You go on believing that. I said “likely,” and from the Septics I’ve known over the years (mostly ex Servicemen) they’re quite capable.

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          el gordo

          Which convinces me even more that the US is on the verge of implosion. just another failed state. Biden needs to bring in gun law reform.

          Remember the last civil war only happened because the north had mechanised (labor saving devices) but the south refused to give up their slave labour. This distorted the market so it had to be remedied.

          ‘They will take their Freedom back.’

          At the next election.

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          Analitik

          You go on believing that

          Do I REALLY need to add a /sarc tag??

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    OldOzzie

    60 Minutes Reporter to Nancy Pelosi: Lady, You Obstructed a COVID Relief Bill for Eight Months–Own It.

    Yet, there was one part of the interview where Stahl wouldn’t let Pelosi off the hook for why there wasn’t a relief bill sooner. The good news is that there will be some sort of aid package soon. The bad news is that Americans pinched by the COVID pandemic have been left in utter economic purgatory due to Congress’ dithering. Pelosi admitted they torpedoed COVID relief to better Democratic chances in the 2020 election. Sen. Chuck Schumer also knew of the political dividends this bill yields. He didn’t want one prior to the election as it would have helped the GOP keep the Senate. It was the right thing to do, to help Americans in desperate need—and Democrats gummed up the works. It became a bipartisan affair when Sen. Mitch McConnell then decided to die on the hill of ‘the relief checks are too big,’ further hindering a relief bill prior to the key Georgia runoffs, which Republicans lost.

    This is a major event, but one of many that could explain why protesters lashed out this week. And people wonder why populism, both left, and right, is rising here. They see through the games and corruption. Stahl noted Pelosi’s complicity in the COVID relief debacle, noting that Congress had eight months to get something done.

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      Why can’t he gnaw on his own bones, they must be all-organic enough? And there are organs for organic orgies as well.

      Seems natural to me that the self-centered should be self-consuming.

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      Mark D.

      It would not bother me that he becomes a self-starved martyr. He spent too much food money on bad tattoos and range fed fur anyway.

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    Serge Wright

    I see this as more of an ideological war as much as a civil war. The driver behind this war is eco-socialism (or eco-facism) and the war has been running for many years now. The aim of the eco-socialists is to remove the system of capitalism by using race, gender and sexual inequality arguments, on top of the threat of CC. The approach has always been one of divide and conquer and the BLM riots were a ramping up of the politics of division, party due to the opportunism created by the COVID pandemic.

    Conservative politics is the greatest enemy of eco-socialism and it’s leaders such as Trump are therefore the primary targets. I recall a few years ago when Lord Monckton predicted the knifing of our own conservative PM, Tony Abbott. Once Abbott was removed from the office of PM the attacks ramped up even further because the threat of a return could only be extinguished by his complete political banishment. Trump is a much bigger target and therefore the scale of attack will be vastly more significant. The fabricated accusations and banishment from all social media, along with platforms that might provide a voice, are just the start.

    What we as conservative voices need to understand is that the enemy is also within and is often hidden within our conservative political groups, as these people deliberately infiltrate conservative politics as a prime tactic to facilitating their own goals. Put bluntly, there are many Turnbulls out there and we often don’t know what is the genuine conservative article. Obviously, Trump and Abbott are the real deals, but what about Boris or our own Morrison ?. This is why we demand proof of conviction from our conservative leaders, such as rejection of the Paris agreement or restrictions on immigration. There is no other way to separate the real deal.

    In terms of where we stand in USA politics today, I would think that the eco-facists have now achieved their primary goal, which is to create instability and division, but we simply cannot allow them to point the finger of blame on conservative politics and capitalism, as this then allows them to move their game towards check-mate. As conservatives, we understand better than anyone that all of the violence and division is being driven by the left and therefore we must ensure that the general public understand who is the real enemy here, else it will be all too late.

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    OldOzzie

    Jo, AD if One can post a bit of levity to brighten the day on a serious topic thread.

    They’re back! This year’s lamb ad is a huge improvement.

    From the Comments

    Annette Rampling said…

    Brilliant. Talking the piss; can’t get more Strayan than hat!

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    a happy little debunker

    I am not a fan of conspiracies – whether they are the q-anon types or the Russia-Russia-Russia types, facts are facts.

    Donald Trump arrived at his rally late and his speech ran overtime, so much so, that he was still speaking at his rally (@1.15pm) when USA today tells us that the capitol hill insurrection began (@1.10pm).
    The physical distance between Trump’s rally and Capitol Building is 1.6 miles, a brisk protester’s walk of around 30 minutes.
    People attending Trump rallies do not leave before Trump finishes speaking.
    No Trump rally attendees would have arrived at the Capital Building much before 1.45pm.
    People attending Trump rallies do not leave before Trump finishes speaking.

    Now, I am not saying that the capital building affray was not perpetrated by Trump Supporters (although there is some evidence of provocateurs)
    But, what I am saying is that nothing Trump said at his Rally could have incited any ‘insurrection’ that had begun before Trump finished speaking.

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      Henning Nielsen

      But Nancy Pelosi said it, so it must be true. But so what if Trump is in surrection? Some religious guy also was involved with surrection many years ago I think. Though that was a kind of re-run or something. I don’t believe Trump will be engaged in any re-surrection, he is enough surrected as it is already, and will be for years to come.

      Surrect etymology:
      Borrowed from Latin surrectus (“arisen”), the perfect passive participle of surgō (“I arise”).

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    David Maddison

    It looks like Big Tech and the Socialist Billionaires who own them along with their slave army of useful idiots of the Left who work for them gratis have become an arm of Government that decide and control totally the narrative and crush all dissenting opinions both in cyberspace and real life such as the burning, looting and murder committed by the US Left over the last 7 months (ongoing).

    Google/YouTube, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon think it’s more important to be an arm of Government than worrying about disenfranchising at least 50% of their paying customers. The rewards must be great.

    *Non-profits such as Wikipedia can be included among them as well.

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    Alex Jones was the pilot of that large aircraft that landed on the moon.

    He also rode a kracken once.

    It says so here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones

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    OldOzzie

    GOP Reeling? Dems Should Be the Party That’s Worried John Hinderaker, PowerLine


    WHO’S REELING?

    During our live podcast/VIP/whiskey hour Friday evening, Steve commented that the Republican Party is “reeling” following the D.C. demonstration and riot last week. Given what I know of the Republican Party establishment I expect he is right, but still I was taken aback. Why in the world should Republicans be reeling? Because a handful of demonstrators invaded (or, in some cases, were ushered into) the Capitol and some of them behaved badly? What do those people–not the hundreds of thousands who demonstrated peacefully, but the few who rioted–have to do with the Republican Party? Not much: I will hazard a guess that the total amount ever donated by the rioters to the party adds up to $0, and the number of times they have ever been called upon to be spokesmen for the party is also 0.

    If anyone should be reeling on account of riots it is the Democrats, whose party members and allies have burned down and otherwise devastated major sections of American cities, including D. C., during the last year. Especially since the Democrats’ leadership has cheered them on, without any exception that I have noticed.

    Republicans that I talk to are understandably depressed about the fact that in a few days, the Democrats will control the presidency and both the House (narrowly) and, via a 50-50 tie, the Senate. I am not happy about that either. But the barely-functioning Joe Biden will take office as the weakest president in American history, or at a minimum since Franklin Pierce. And he will be a lame duck on the day he is inaugurated, since he almost certainly will not be on the ticket in 2024, assuming he lives that long.

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    Kevin a

    Goldman is still formulating its measures that will probably curtail future political giving to the elected leaders who fought to overturn the 2020 result.

    “We want you to be assured that we will not support candidates who do not respect the rule of law,” Candi Wolff, Citi’s head of global government affairs, said in a memo to employees.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-10/marriott-suspends-donations-to-senators-who-opposed-vote-result?sref=ZMFHsM5Z

    Tomorrow, I’m introducing my resolution to expel the members of Congress who tried to overturn the election and incited a white supremacist coup attempt that has left people dead. They have violated the 14th Amendment.

    I believe the Republican members of Congress who have incited this domestic terror attack through their attempts to overturn the election must face consequences. They have broken their sacred Oath of Office.

    I will be introducing a resolution calling for their expulsion.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/homeless-congresswoman-pushes-bill-expel-republicans-who-backed-election-challenge

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    Ross

    Tactically speaking the January 6th demonstration/ protest was always open to this insurgency. So, you have to doubt the wisdom of those organising the event. It was probably a groundswell type event and I can see (even in far away Australia) why so many frustrated Trump/ Republican supporters wanted to vent their feelings in a peaceful manner. But, to stage a demonstration in a Democrat stronghold (albeit the US capital) where the city has a Democratic council and is the least GOP represented electorate in the whole country was always asking for trouble. Also, the fact that the date was well publicised allowed any Antifa, BLM, far left Democrats plenty of time to create the confected violence and media event. Once these provocateurs had the video of broken windows, people assaulting police and that crazy buffalo horned activist it was easy for any news outlet around the world to splice together the footage along with Donald Trump addressing a crowd and “hey presto” you have DT inciting violence etc etc. Even yesterday while I was watching the cricket, Channel 7 were running previews of their 6 0’clock news with about 10 secs of footage just like this. Since 2016 I have lost complete trust in any MSM/ social media news of US politics. I am also getting to the point where I am extremely skeptical of the coverage of ANY Australian news events.

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      Analitik

      The bind that the conservatives were in was that where else would they have staged a protest that would meaningfully convey the wish for the election audits to be performed?

      And THAT is the point that the media are most guilty of distorting (yeah, there are many candidates) – Trump and the vast majority of his supporters simply wanted the 10 day extension for the Electoral College vote count so that there was time to perform some level of auditing into the suspicious counts in the swing states. Having greater transparency in the voting and counting processes in those states was all that was asked for and yet the left were deathly afraid for anything of the sort to happen.

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      Dennis

      Read the book The Electronic Whorehouse written by Australian journalist Paul Sheehan.

      Continue to be sceptical of the coverage of Australian news events and foreign reporting here.

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    David Maddison

    If the election was free and fair as the Left claimed, how could it possibly be a problem to audit the vote? They should have welcomed it as it would have proved them right and Trump wrong. There would have been no downside for the Left if their claim that they didn’t cheat was correct and it would have restored support for Barris as a legitimate President.

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      Dennis

      All of the desperate behaviour displayed by the left clearly indicates panic and them covering up voting manipulation as claimed they have done.

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    David Maddison

    Sadly, what’s happening now shows you the true nature of the Left. I think people had forgothen just how evil the National Socialists and the International Socialists were. And it’s only going to get worse from now on. They are not joking when they talk about censoring people who disagree with them, they are already doing that and they are not yet in power. It’s only a short step until dissidents are locked up or killed. You can see from the extreme violence and destruction they show in riots that they are full capable of it.

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      el gordo

      They will have to tighten censorship laws to stop uprisings, the China model is probably about right. They lock people up for spreading false rumour.

      The fascist National Socialists of last century has no relevance, we are discussing a blue green alliance in the 21st century, their motto is ‘its only going to get better from now on.’

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        Serp

        No, el gordo, it’s your motto.

        Your irrepressible optimism is veering towards pathological wantonness when you suggest the authoritarian totalitarianism of Xi is “about right”.

        Maybe start posting as el sicko.

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    Cynic of A

    Saw something today that makes sense.
    Related to the Civil War thing, Big Tech is certain to prevent on line correspondence.
    the solution is the old fax machine.
    Thinking it would be a non starter, I had a look, and there are heaps of Fax Machines for sale, for under 200 bucks.
    I guess a phone algorithm could interpret and block a Fax signal, but it’d be too wide ranging I would think.
    Cost for the phone call? I dunno. Phone calls are pretty cheap.

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    RossP

    Well it looks like President Trump’s speech in Texas (overnight our time, I think) could be announcing the hammer coming down.
    Either William Astley’s information will be proved correct or we will have a fizzer (no options in between). I’m on William’s side.
    From what I have read elsewhere there will total upheaval and some very angry people in DC.

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      Tilba Tilba

      Well it looks like President Trump’s speech in Texas (overnight our time, I think) could be announcing the hammer coming down.

      Who precisely will be wielding this hammer? Eric and Junior? I just can’t see what serious support Trump could have in Washington at this late stage.

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        Neo

        Who precisely will be wielding this hammer?

        Ivanka may be about to give all the naughty boys a good spanking?? 🙂

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          Hanrahan

          Outside the Pentagon and FBI 7th floor, Trump has far more support than you could admit.

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            Tilba Tilba

            It’s not a question of “could admit” anything … just look at the state of play. Trump has conceded effectively, and has basically headed to Texas as a sort of last hurrah in the last week.

            I just don’t think there’s any justification for stoking this event up as if it’s the start of some large-scale plot to stop the inauguration of Joe Biden on 20 January.

            Is it not time to accept that wild theories from Krakens to Jeffrey Epstein to military re-counts need to be put to rest. Everyone needs to re-tune their BS antennae, in my view.

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    Chris

    Re The Epoch Times video – at the 2.14 -.16 min point Is that Jack Dorsey on the steps with his phone???

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    markx

    A whole lot of ANTIFA provocateurs speaking out in these videos.
    You can tell they are not Trump supporters because they are not responding to anything Trump said.

    Should be very easy to track them down and find their connections.

    New footage shows what it was like inside the Trump mob at the Capitol
    https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/trumps-enablers-spent-four-years-pretending-his-lies-didnt-matter-look-at-the-result/news-story/9fa13061c760d755c674106cda1135cd

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    Ozzie Bowman

    Every Australian here is missing the point. Biden is a bought and paid for Chinese possession………China is rapidly becoming more aggressive……..We will not get any protection from America……..Similarly the [Snip 18C] Terrorist ISIS groups that Obama set up that were quickly destroyed by President Trump will be back…….And will the new ” Peace in the Middle East ” that only Trump was able to make happen , now be actively destroyed by who-ever they shuffle in to replace Biden. Even Kim Rocketman is making a come back with threats. …….Our only hope is a strong Alliance with India ( Don,t piss off their cricket team , we can win but must not insult them ) , Japan , South Korea , and Taiwan.

    [ED]

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      Hanrahan

      Facebook feeds me a regular diet of Indian nationalistic videos and while I know they are not speaking on Modi’s behalf they are itching for a fight with China. They believe they are tougher and better trained/equipped for high altitude warfare. They call Chinese sooks.

      If China aggresses against Taiwan India may reclaim disputed territory while they are distracted.

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    Simon

    I’ve read the transcript:

    Something’s really wrong. Can’t have happened.’ And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country any more.

    So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give … The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

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    Tel

    By infiltrating traditional protests Antifa and BLM make it hard for law abiding citizens to be able to protest in future. Each event becomes an advertising meme for those prepared to lie, cheat, loot and vandalize.

    Hardly a new thing, see also CONINTELPRO.

    Anyone who has not studied the story of Judi Bari should get up to speed. It’s true that “Earth First” are a communist front group (these days more of a watermelon, red on the inside, green on the outside) but although their politics are dodgy, the way law enforcement handled the Judi Bari case was much worse.

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    Simon

    You complain about censorship while blocking anyone who challenges your world view. Pretty hypocritical if you ask me.

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    CHRIS

    A verrrrry interesting next 4 years. What will Biden (or should I say, Harris) be up to? Will the USA stand up to China, or will they be the Neville Chamberlain of the world? The more we have appeasement, the closer we come to war (haven’t our idiot politicians learned anything??).

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