By Jo Nova
The truth is most Australians are skeptics
The Liberals are tearing themselves apart this week over what to do with Net Zero policy. Yet there is polling this week by the Centre for Independent Studies that apparently shows 69% of people would rather use more coal and gas if it made their electricity bills lower. And 55% supported delaying the Net Zero target if it meant electricity was cheaper. As reported in The Australian.
So two thirds of the nation clearly don’t think the oceans are going to boil. And lets not forget this is on the back of years of relentless Net Zero propaganda, lessons in schools, and the support of both the government and the opposition. There are no popular sit-coms mocking the windmills, nor are there celebrity endorsements, or football clubs with sponsorship from Big-coal or shirts that say “Instant Power”. There is no Trump or Farage figure here on TV (because the Blob media wouldn’t let them on). Yet somehow the voters have figured it out anyway, but they don’t know they’re in the majority. They don’t wear activist T-shirts and they don’t have bumper stickers on their car.
There’s an electoral fire here waiting for a spark
Imagine how big the support would be for cheap electricity and coal and gas if the leader of the Opposition was brave enough to take on the Global Bullies of Warming? To just laugh at the petty namecalling (“denier” — it’s a political ploy, not a term of science). To mock the delusion that we can control storms and tides with our solar panels. To calmly say that they will not cave in to coercion, when China, India and the US are increasing emissions. Australians need electricity we can afford. We need our own industries, we are not just a quarry.
A real opposition leader could point out our wholesale electricity prices were 3 cents a kilowatt hour for year after year until we started trying to change the jet streams and ocean currents with our power stations. Who knew fiddling with the clouds would be so expensive — everyone knew. That’s why they never published reports saying “we just need 2 billion more solar panels to save Bangladesh”.
The more renewables we add the more expensive electricity gets. | Graph: AER
And that’s the thing, even without the idea being put in front of them, two thirds of Australians don’t believe the CSIRO, they don’t believe the BOM, or the UN anymore. They don’t need to have a PhD to know that people who constantly forecast doom and gloom keep getting it wrong. And they don’t need a degree in climate science to know the models don’t work, because they can see the contradictions — that CO2 causes heatwaves and cold snaps and more wind and less wind, and more rain but more bushfires too.
So will the Liberals stand on the same side as 69% of the voters, or will they chicken out? Do we live in a democracy or don’t we? A genuine question.
Real leaders try to figure out what the right answer is, then lead the way. In this case the unwashed masses have already figured it out — they’re just waiting for a leader to arise to represent them. If Sussan Ley can’t rise to the test, when even the taxi drivers can see through a fake ‘science’ debate, the Liberals need a new leader.
With Shadow Ministers like Andrew Hastie stepping down, and Barnaby Joyce talking of leaving the Nationals, the Coalition is in an existential crisis. Months after the electoral-bloodbath the Liberals still don’t know whether to try to win the old conservative inner-city seats or to follow the Trump and Farage winning formula and call a spade a spade and take the working class away from the Labor Party.
The British conservatives missed the moment, and may never recover.
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Stuff the gutless Liberals – I am voting one nation. The Pauline/Barney (and hopefully Jacinta) team will lead the way back to sanity. And as the late Teddy Whitten once said: “lets stick it up em.”
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Lberals who support getting rid of Net Zero, should leave the Labor Lite Liberals – LINOs and join the National Party.
The National Party in turn should run Candidates in all Local/State/Federal Elections across Australia, and join with other Conservative Groups One Nation, Advance Australia etc, and plan Preference Sharing.
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I have just looked at today’s comments. As usual, Old Ozzie, you are spot on! That is EXACTLY what the Nats should do. Since they represent solid family values and national aspirations, I think the urban electorate will embrace them if they campaign well enough.
And you are right, the smaller parties will almost certainly direct preferences their way.
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I don’t care about what percentage believe or don’t believe, (pick a topic). I’d settle for a government that delivers one goal. Do NOT harm the people and the country. Why isn’t do no harm their first and only goal?
It’s not a lot to ask. Just leave us alone.
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I would like to see a politician say “vote for me, I will do absolutely nothing (new)…except remove existing red tape, excessive taxes, excessive regulations, remove anti-competitive laws, remove taxpayer subsidies, remove laws favouring criminal behaviour, remove permanency of the bureaucracy, stop excessive and inappropriate immigration etc.”
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That would clearly come under the, “Do no harm”, policy that I had in mind.
I can’t believe that a parliament sits and at the end of the term there are more laws than at the start. Sure there are new technologies but old ones also expire. How many laws still exist on our books for cattle drawn carts or steam powered cars?
It’s time for a major shake-up, a new party could form with the sole objective of REMOVING laws.
No new ones until at least 100 are removed and then keep the ratio near to 10:1.
Less government is good government.
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All new laws should have a sunset clause.
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@Eng_Ian It’s not a lot to ask. Just leave us alone.
I think you would find a government that “left us alone” you would very soon miss the things Australians take for granted. No Age Pension. No hospitals. No schools. No unemployment benefits. and much much more. As iois said “be careful what you ask for you just might get it
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Then let’s add things like taxation to the mix too.
When can we vote on it?
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I think you know what he meant. You can deliver all the thing listed without inflicting you personal dogma on the people involved.
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Yep, One Nation will get my vote, as it did last time. Of course I’ll preference the Greens last, then Labor, then the LNP (I’m in Qld). My hope is that at least some of the Conservative microparties will join up with ON, Jacinta and Hastie, Barnaby and Matt C. get on board with a few others. Leadership needs sorting fast. These people all say they’re for Australia but until they develop some congruence they’ll remain scattered, physically and in mind.
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We should look at the platforms of splinter groups and see what we have in common. Good news for One Nation.
‘In the 2025 federal election in May, Pauline Hanson’s One Nation recorded a primary vote of 6.4%, about half that of the Greens at 12.2%.
‘But since then, support for the right-wing populist party has surged, with polls showing it now sits between 11% and 14%. The latest Resolve poll for the Nine papers, for example, has One Nation at 12% on first preferences, edging out the Greens at 11%.’
(The Conversation)
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If cats and Libs split then One Nation is the major opposition party.
If One Nation was viewed as the major opposition, it would attract some existing independents, some ex Bats and some ex Libs.
On Nation as a very good label for a party. It would be up against Labor – the Globalist party.
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Doubtful.
https://results.aec.gov.au/31496/Website/HouseDefault-31496.htm
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“right-wing populist party”
Isn’t the party that gains power the most ‘populist’ at that particular election?
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‘Populism is a contested concept for a variety of political stances that emphasize the idea of the “common people”, often in opposition to a perceived elite. It is frequently associated with anti-establishment and anti-political sentiment.’ (wiki)
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Translation of Populist – Dammit these bloody rightwingers – Trump, Milei, Meloni, Wilders and maybe Farage in the future – got more votes than we, the Lovable Left, did!
That’s not fair – waaaaaaaaaah!
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While the Liberals fiddle Australia burns. It is so frustrating that the obvious is continually ignored. Write to your local members and send this research to them. The election is there to be won but are they brave enough to fight for it?
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It’s not just the wholesale electricity prices – it’s also the added costs of the expanding network to cope with the widely distributed and intermittent solar farms and windmills.
Since 2020 the Victorian Default Offer fixed daily charge for electricity has risen from 92.4 cents/day to 116.5 cents/day.
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Then in the Future
it’s also the added costs of dismantliing & getting rid of the expanding network to cope with the widely distributed and intermittent solar farms and windmills.
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Robber. The access fee with Origin, in country NSW, is $2.08 per day. In 2006 I was paying one cent per day. Then along came Howard and the beginning of the renewable scam.
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From watching conservative opinion and interviews on places like Sky News I have come to a devastating realisation. They only wish to drop Net Zero because they see it as a financial burden.
The real problem is that they still believe even though Australia emits only a tiny fraction of the worlds CO2 it still actually would be a good thing to do if only it could be done without costing too much. They still believe CO2 causes every weather event.
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But that is illogical. If they really believed they would not be concerned about the costs.
I suspect they really fear the name calling and finger pointing more. A gutless bunch.
I also suspect that many originally went along with the scam because they thought they would be on the receiving end of the money. A greedy bunch.
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” So will the Liberals stand on the same side as 69% of the voters,….”
The Libs are the other wing of the same bird.
Hell would freeze over and their stance would NOT change.
Loooooooong past time to ditch both the “major” parties.
But then, there’s still the AEC to contend with.
So, we’re snookered.
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The Liberals don’t believe in or understand anything and haven’t been a conservative party for decades.
They are a party of fence sitters, made even worse by their present DEI “leader”.
They are unworthy of our support or having false hopes that they might get a reality check.
They have lost enough elections to prove their unworthiness.
And let it not be forgotten that they are the ones that put us on the way to Net Zero prosperity by signing up to Kyoto (but not ratifying it) plus many other measures like giving away our gas supply at world’s cheapest prices, taxpayer subsidised ethanol, ban on nuclear power (twice, 1971 and 1999), allowing random generators to connect to the grid, SH2, banning fracking in Victoriastan (joint effort with Labor) etc..
Thinking Australians need to vote for actual conservative parties like One Nation. Everyone I know who has been a lifelong Liberal voter now tells me they will vote One Nation, they are so disillusioned with the Libs.
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Turnbull, Photios, Kean were the start of the Liberal Downfall.
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Plenty of lefties in the party before them. It will take a new party to form to right the wrongs of the past. See the UK for an example in progress.
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The relentless propaganda – made possible by the complicit media failing to do their job and keep the bastards honest.
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State-funded media is an abomination.
The Australian ABC, the British BBC, the Canadian CBC, and many other state-funded media sources have become propaganda arms of their governments that spread ‘the official narrative’ and label anything outside that narrative as ‘misinformation’. The same was true to a lesser degree of the American NPR and PBS until Trump cut their funding. They are still in the habit of parroting the official party line of their government sources, but with the financial incentive removed it is expected that will fade with time and staff attrition.
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State funded propaganda.
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They are not “propaganda arms of their governments”, they have become self-serving parasites, acting to protect their bureaucratic self interest.
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Rick,
I tried tracking domestic electricity changes from my quarterly accounts from AGL. We have had rather unchanged use, just 2 of us in a unit, since April 2006. Our metered use has dropped just a little over that time of nearly 20 years.
The accounts presented to us are a goddam mess. Categories of charge change all the time. What is said to be $ per kWh also changes, usually part way through a billing period, but it is no good for tracking because the item variously named concession or rebate or allowance is the catchy one that is used to dupe the consumer into thinking the price has gone up or down. It can be tens of % of the final bill, sometimes appearing on the bill, sometimes kept separate. Much of the time it is framed as an earnest govt attempt to reduce household costs (so vote for us) when in reality is is often just a return of some excessive
taxation. Also, I have tried comparisons with various ABS items such as national or state domestic electricity index.
Summing up, I cannot make enough sense out of this 20 years of quarterly accounts to make any summary trend finding with any confidence. Too many once-offs, no clue to future predictions.
Any readers tried similar exercises? Any luck?
Geoff S
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Not of the government unless it’s a left wing government.
They’ve become propaganda machines of the left, gassing up leftard parties and positions, and working furiously to destroy conservatives.
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Of the unelected part of the government. The careerist bureaucrats who view elected officials as temporary impediments to their agendas, not the rightful representatives of the people.
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Because of Net Zero Prosperity policies, Australia has effectively lost around three decades of potential economic growth, in fact has economically regressed, and is well on the way to economic ruin.
Progress needs inexpensive, reliable energy. It’s that simple.
No coal, gas, nuclear or real hydro (not SH2), no progress, just regression.
The anti-energy movement, run by communists, know that and that it is a most potent weapon of economic destruction.
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Tomago Aluminium re-evaluating its position when its current electrity contract expires:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-28/tomago-aluminum-closure-risk-energy-price-increase/105941120
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Rick,
I tried tracking domestic electricity changes from my quarterly accounts from AGL. We have had rather unchanged use, just 2 of us in a unit, since April 2006. Our metered use has dropped just a little over that time of nearly 20 years.
The accounts presented to us are a goddam mess. Categories of charge change all the time. What is said to be $ per kWh also changes, usually part way through a billing period, but it is no good for tracking because the item variously named concession or rebate or allowance is the catchy one that is used to dupe the consumer into thinking the price has gone up or down. It can be tens of % of the final bill, sometimes appearing on the bill, sometimes kept separate. Much of the time it is framed as an earnest govt attempt to reduce household costs (so vote for us) when in reality is is often just a return of some excessive
taxation. Also, I have tried comparisons with various ABS items such as national or state domestic electricity index.
Summing up, I cannot make enough sense out of this 20 years of quarterly accounts to make any summary trend finding with any confidence. Too many once-offs, no clue to future predictions.
Any readers tried similar exercises? Any luck?
Geoff S
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Jo
Why do you show the wholesale electricity price when you you are raising the issue of consumer electricity cost.
Almost no consumers pay the wholesale price.
The retail price is what matters to consumers. I find it illuminating that “Vinnies”, the charity, started tracking household electricity cost in 2008. So they now have a very good record of electricity and gas consumer costs since that time. This is the latest report:
https://cms.vinnies.org.au/media/2badeclx/nem-tariff-tracker-feb-2025-final.pdf?path=2badeclx%2Fnem-tariff-tracker-feb-2025-final.pdf
Chart 1 is all you need to look at. Electricity prices in South Australia have doubles since 2008. So average inflation of 5%. That is what is driving overall inflation in the economy.
There is tremendous detail for individual States in other data files.
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Some of those prices seem strange. For example, Victoria’s consumer price is said to have decreased by 6%, and NSW down by 2%. I doubt that Victorians and the NSW folks would support those viewpoints. Also the prices were only up to July 2024. Surely significant prices increases have occurred since then.
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You need to look at the individual State spreadsheets to get current year information. Last year there were some reductions. Back up this year though. Note SA has had reductions in the past as well. The figures include the connection fee distributed across the 6000kWh annual usage.
This is the link to the SA spreadsheet – lots of data:
https://www.vinnies.org.au/media/wygnxk30/sa-wb-1-el-standing-offers-july-2025-locked.xlsx
I used that workbook to create the SA retail price chart I used in my de-industrialisation article:
https://i0.wp.com/wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/image-23.png?resize=720%2C451&quality=75&ssl=1&_jb=closest
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Thanks for the data Rick. Scary stuff. Am I reading the spreadsheet correctly – are many SA folks paying around $3000 annually for electricity? If yes, that seems a huge amount. I have an all-electric residence, with the minor exception of gas hot plates, and my bill is only around $1000/year. And I often run the air con all the time in summer.
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The $3000 is for 6000kWh per year corresponding to average day of 16.4kWh.
About half of SA houses have solar panels so most do not pay much or any at all for electricity.
I have seen social security representatives pushing “renewables” to save the world but they have no idea why pricers are high. They do not realise the highly regressive nature of the “renewable energy theft”. And not only that, the high grid costs are falling on kWh that the poor are stuck with buying while the less poor make their own while enjoying the backup of the grid without paying for it.
SA rooftops hit 1900MW today – more than the entire State demand so was exporting rooftop east. From around 11am till 3pm, 80% of grid solar curtailed and 75% of grid wind curtailed – both now stranded assets. SA wholesale price has been negative since 8am and it is a week day. But households without rooftop solar have no way to benefit from the low wholesale price unless they are on time of use tariff and have a battery.
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They also have no industry.
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Thanks Rick.
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There were substantial “rebates ” to support the last election. They were a one off and costs are back on the previous increasing trend.
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We know that Labor, Greens and Teals are lying to the voters and yet the Coalition are too gutless and still want to ignore the data.
I’ve followed Bolt for decades and he always used the available data to back up his journalism and always interviewed the best Scientists to try and tell us the truth.
Even Dr Finkel told the truth under oath in the Senate and admitted that we couldn’t make a difference, even if Aussies stopped all co2 emissions.
Our MSM ,most journalists, big business, most unions etc must know the truth and yet they still persist with their BS and nonsense?
Matt Ridley was correct and even Net Zero Australia tell us that it would cost up to 9 TRILLION $ to achieve net zero emissions.
In fact the CSIRO also tells us the entire SH is already a net SINK for co2 and the NH is a net SOURCE, so why are we WASTING time and money on this lunacy?
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Spot on Jo. Now Bowen is trying to hide important reports on the disaster he is creating. He’s the real denier.
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That survey is great except it’s done by the CIS. So, all the climate alarmist lefties will just say “that’s a right wing think tank”. So Labor / Greens will either ignore the survey results or belittle them. It’s the same when a similar survey is done by the Australia Institute, everyone on the right side of politics criticise any analysis by them as being “ left wing”. The LNP themselves will probably distance themselves from the survey results, because they don’t want to be too Trump like. Forget the opposition, they’re a lost cause in their current form.
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No, they’ll say it’s a “FAR right wing think tank”, as they call any institution or person to the right of Pol Pot.
And they might call it “racist”, “colonialist” and all the varieties of “*phobic” as well. Maybe “redneck”, “uneducated” and all the usual Leftist ad hominems also.
The Left have become parodies of themselves and so boring.
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You forgot, the climate blob will also say they are funded by the fossil fuel industry. So, you get double stupidity, because they aren’t “fossil fuels” anyway.
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Isn’t all fuel on Earth nuclear, at source?
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Problem is, there are numerous CSIRO and government reports that all state “renewables” are the cheapest way forward.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-29/agenda-energy-csiro/105584856
Renewable’s remain the lowest-cost electricity generation technology in Australia, but not by much, according to a new report out today.
The CSIRO has released it’s final GenCost report finding renewable’s were cheaper when it comes to new builds and nuclear small modular reactors are the most costly form of energy generation.
So Australians are being lied to by their government and their agencies. But that has been the case now for 30 years on climate so what will change it now.
Trump was right to target the scam. He lined up credible people to attack the climate scam. All five luke warmers but who now realise the claims of climagedon are carp.
Malcolm Roberts is the only politician in Australia with the insight to know it is an utter scam. The only way things will get better is to address the scam by giving more authority tio Roberts.
Every Australian who owns a roof can hasten the demise of the grid; save money while doing it and cause a complete overhaul of the wholesale electricity market that prioritises dispatchable generation.
If dispatchable grid solar is competitive then prove it. Rooftop/battery will always beat grid solar/battery because it has captive demand.
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Most politicians have no science or engineering knowledge, have very little general knowledge, nor do they seek it, and have no real interests outside their own self-aggrandisement.
So they treat organisations like CSIRO as infallible authorities who absolutely can’t be questioned as politicians have no knowledge of their own or even curiosity about the world around them (as noted by Donald Horne, Lucky Country, 1964, “run mainly by second rate people…most of its leaders (in all fields) so lack curiosity about the events that surround them that they are often taken by surprise“).
In addition, due to the corruption of science and the scientific method by the Left, they falsely believe in such absurdities as “settled science” and “consensus science” which by their definition can’t be questioned. If it can’t be questioned, then it’s not science.
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David, the problem relates to the fact that we get the government that ‘they’ give us. Voting doesn’t make a difference when your choice is some leftist idiot or the other one in the room, pre-selection or party be damned. Both major parties select incompetent fools because they believe them to be a safe popular choice.
Ability is not a consideration. Can they smile for the camera, yes or no?
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David, you are so right. It is a long time since the CSIRO was the respected body that provided good research on many topics – especially agriculture. The organisation seems to me to have come just another government sponsored and beholden to the government of the day.
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CSIRO have been all in on the warmenista scare campaign since the mid ’80s.
I was told in the last week of 1986, to put a pretty precise timing on it, by a CSIRO meteorologist that atmospheric CO2 levels had reached “runaway greenhouse effect levels” in March of that year.
40 years down the track, still no runaway greenhouse effect.
I’m still waiting for the warmenistas to get a prediction right – 40 years, dozens of doomsday predictions, none correct.
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CSIRO sacked all the dissenters back in the day. That is the way toileting achieve consensus science. And I know that is an oxymoron.
On the topic of morons, CSIRO has sacked those with integrity while retaining the morons.
IU would like to see anyone from CSIRO front up to Trump and inform him he is wrong on the climate scam.
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Right on cue, Quadrant today published a piece about Robert Clancy’s new book “The Long Enlightenment: Australian Science from its Beginning to the Mid-20th Century“
https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/books/the-long-enlightenment-by-robert-clancy/
A quote from the book: “Witness the stifling of debate on critical issues by the very institutions [that is, universities] created to nurture ideas, and the decline of the once great institution of the CSIRO.”
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Witness the failure of DEI in academia. Some 90% of academics vote Labor. Likewise their ABC; upward of 95% vote Labor. Where is diversity, equity and inclusivity in all that.
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Most Conservative politicians just “chicken” out when questioned on climate and net zero. Problem is most people do not have a clue what net zero means or entails.
The mute button here gets a big workout most nights!
PHON is looking good.
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It’s amazing that the Governments of Australia and the Liberals are promising nett zero with massive costs but without explaining what the benefit is? Does anyone know?
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The main beneficiaries are 1) China who get to eliminate their economic competitors due to expensive energy and 2) the Elite subsidy harvesters of the Left who harvest fortunes from mostly poor people and 3) useful idiots of the Left who support and facilitate (1) and (2) who, lacking any traditional belief system of their own, get to believe in something, namely that they think they are “saving the planet”.
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Yes, I understand the Communists planning the disruption of the planet and the Climatebaggers, most notably the UN. That’s all so self evident.
But what do the Australian politicians , even the Greens and Teals actually think is the benefit, not least for Australians? I would love someone to ask.
Or conversely, why aren’t they under pressure to explain?
Consider Snowy II, over $20Billion now almost half the cost of the Channel Tunnel and currently twice the time to finish. And even when finished, we can pump water uphill at an energy cost close to 50%. How is that a benefit? To anyone?
Or the now abandoned $1Billion pipe from the Fitzroy river to Gladstone just completed and no longer required by Dr Forrest who has abandoned his Green Hydrogen dreams. How were Australians to benefit?
Or the $444Million given by PM Tunrbull to his wife and friends to ‘save’ the Great Barrier Reef? No explanations or report or accounting?
Or the $1Billion spent by PM Albanese in purely speculative investment in a failing Californian R&D company in Quantum Computing? Why?
Why does no one have to explain why our money is being spent, off budget, uncontrolled and unexplained and merely on the whim of Prime Ministers?
This is not a democracy. This is absolute rule without explanation or any attempt at justification. No kings should be applied to Australian Prime Ministers and their lackeys like Bowen and Chalmers.
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And in the US the anti Trump people are demanding an explanation for his demolition of the separate East Wing building without government money? No one said anything of the $500million of public money Barack Obama spent on the actual White House when he lived there? Meanwhile Obama held his major functions in tents on the main lawn with guests forced to use portable dunnies.
Accountability and rationale is not something demanded of communists and fascists, only of popular democratically elected conservative leaders.
But we are still owed an explanation for the benefits of Nett Zero. I have never heard one. In fact I cannot imagine one.
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Does anyone know?
The CSIRO and all the alphabet agencies involved in electricity producion for the power grid know it is to lower the price of electricity and that is all that matters. The Science™ has spoken.
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Most Liberal Party MPs aren’t stupid. They can see what we see here. They agree that the Climate Change Cult is bonkers and that its so-called solution, Net Zero, are both massive fiascos. So why aren’t they, apart from the likes of Matt Canavan, beating the drum? Surely the only answer is politics. How, and when, can they sell it to the electorate? Ordinarily I would be happy for them to lose electoral ground in the short term to make gains in the long term. But just like the Blobsters’ climate tipping points, is there a tipping point for how much damage Bowen and his cronies will do before they irredeemably wreck the joint? I reckon the Coalition needs to fight Net Zero in this electoral term.
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Pretty simple answer to that TT. They were the idiots who signed up to Net Zero, so I think they feel the LNP might be held responsible. Which actually is a valid point and which is why there are so many ex LNP voters now. I voted for Tony Abbott and got Malcolm Turnbull. Voted Morrison and got Net Zero and mandatory vaccines. I’m not wasting my vote again.
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So how many Aussies would want to waste their time and TRILLIONs of $ forever if they really understood the CSIRO data for both the SH NET SINK of co2 and the NH NET SOURCE of co2?
Again here’s the quote from the CSIRO Cape Grim site and I’m sure that 69% number would easily increase past 75%.
IOW RELIABLE, BASELOAD Coal, Gas and Nuclear would be even more popular if they really understood the lousy W & S data.
“Seasonal variation”
“Carbon dioxide concentrations show seasonal variations (annual cycles) that vary according to global location and altitude. Several processes contribute to carbon dioxide annual cycles: for example, uptake and release of carbon dioxide by terrestrial plants and the oceans, and the transport of carbon dioxide around the globe from source regions (the Northern Hemisphere is a net source of carbon dioxide, the Southern Hemisphere a net sink)”. END of CSIRO quote.
BTW most Aussies don’t understand that the TOXIC, unreliable W & S disasters will destroy thousands of klms of our pristine environments and that the burden will also fall more heavily on our Farmers and country towns.
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Neville you’re trying to push excrement uphill with a pointy stick. Even though the CSRIO, an AGW big time fan boy, can’t deny, obfuscate, or bury the Cape Grim site evidence which us plebs can see that indicates Australia is a “Carbon Sink” nothing is going to happen while too many people suffer from the Suss-ann syndrome.
O/T Anybody know anything about what’s happening with the Michael Smith blog site?
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He got caught u in the rapid closure of Typepad. Last I heard he was rebuilding at another hosting provider. Dont know the status of that work.
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Don’t rule out Labour doing a spectacular U-turn on Net Zero. Reducing energy bills would be very popular with the electorate; it would spectacularly wrongfoot the Tories, who have a large number of Net Zero zealot MPs; it would dig into ReformUK’s lead; it would boost the economy at a time when Labour is in deep financial trouble. It is a single button that Keir Starmer could press that would solve many of his quite acute problems, and he could always claim (lying) that he had reflected further on the implications for the working class of higher bills.
I’d like to see Ed Miliband’s face (and I don’t often say that).
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The national interest needs to be defined.
‘Greens leader Larissa Waters is pushing the Environment Minister on a climate trigger and banning native forest logging, as the Coalition says it will act in the ‘national interest’ over planned changes.’ (Oz)
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“Studies that apparently shows 69% of people would rather use more coal and gas if it made their electricity bills lower. And 55% supported delaying the Net Zero target if it meant electricity was cheaper. As reported in The Australian.”
So coal and gas would be chosen by 69% of people because they prefer cheaper electricity and 55% support delaying Net Zero for the same reason.. So it isn’t the use of coal and gas or delaying Net Zero per se but the cheaper electricity they are interested in. Well whoopee do what an outstanding surprise. It isn’t scepticism of the CSIRO by those polled but, as with everything else, cost is is the prime reason for choice
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That should be: “whoopee-doo”.
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An earlier graph I have seen, don’t know where it originated, shows that up until 2009, electricity prices tracked the CPI. After 2009, when renewables were introduced, electricity prices deviated upwards away from the CPI increases, to a point where they are now twice the CPI increases.
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Shhhhh…You can’t have facts spoiling the government “truth” that unreliables are the cheapest form of energy.
Frau E Kommissar will be right on to you!
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No one so blind as the bureaucrat whose job depends on
NOT seeing the facts on the ground.
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Ja, Frau Jutie doing her duty. Herr Albo thinks she is wunderbar.
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Just two little words
I would like to add,
‘Reality bites!’
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Yeah, I have posted some of those here in Jo’s excellent blog. Will post some links in the morning when I move from bed with a tablet to PC at a desk with references. It is hard to interpret them as I posted half an hour ago in a reply to Rick. Geoff S
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We oldies had the experience of cheap, reliable electricity from fossil fuels like coal and gas. Industry was powered by it, it was the life-blood of the Australian economy. Australia used to have some of the cheapest electricity in the world. Alas, no more. The Green dream, weilded by idealist Coalitions and now the Communist Albanese government have put the kybosh on that blessing.
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Most Australians have sound commonsense,
And would gladly avoid the expense,
Of a Net Zero goal,
Use their gas and their coal,
For cheap power as recompense.
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Another good one Ruairi 🙂
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I believe it’s essential to make the current & all future LNP leaders have daily exposure to Jo Nova’s site. They certainly wouldn’t need to waste valuable time pondering poll results & figure out what the electorate think of them & their policies!
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Tens of thousands of Qld’rs are blaming the useless $4million revamped BOM site for lack of awareness and readiness that a severe storm was about to strike.
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Apparently we didn’t get much bang for buck with the website revamp. There has been a torrent of complaints about how bad the website is in terms of functionality.
I like the description of one caller to 3AW in this link. BOM- the Bureau of Manure.
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/absolutely-unusable-melbourne-newsreaders-furious-reaction-to-controversial-major-update-to-bom-website/news-story/a547ac0310fb4b94a090bd25aff1a4ae
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There’s an electoral fire here waiting for a spark. Contrary to the text the Global Bullies of Warming are no longer ‘Global’ but situated in our own back yard namely Canberra. While Labor takes us into an economic wasteland The liberals are timid turkeys afraid to loose a few feathers. In reality they will be wiped out if they fail to take-up the challenge. Like most bullies Labor will shrivel under the pressure of a concerted opposition and sustained effort.
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The BOM clowns spent $4.1 million of taxpayer funds to present a useless new weather website to users just as storm season starts.
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It would be informative to know what 4 million dollar problem they thought they were fixing.
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Again, here’s the cost benefit analysis from Dr Tol and Dr Nordhaus for Humans by 2100 if we were to do NOTHING about their so called dangerous CC.
This quote is from earlier this year from Lomborg and his very qualified team.
“The studies suggest that a temperature increase of 3°C by the end of the century — which is slightly pessimistic, based on current trends — will have a global cost equivalent to between 1.9 and 3.1 per cent of global GDP. To put this into context, the United Nations estimates that by the end of the century, the average person will be 450 per cent as rich as he or she is today. But because of climate change, he or she will feel “only” 435-440 per cent as rich as today”.
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“Why is this so different from the impression we have been given in the media? Alarmist campaigners and credulous journalists fail to account for the simple fact that people are remarkably adaptable and tackle most climate problems at low cost. Take food: Climate campaigners warn we’ll starve, but research shows that instead of a 51-per cent increase in food availability by 2100 if there were no climate change, we are on track for “only” a 49-per cent increase. Or weather disasters: they killed half a million people annually in the 1920s, whereas the past decade saw fewer than 9,000 fatalities a year. The 97.5-per cent reduction in mortality is because people are more resilient when they’re richer and can access better technology”.
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Here’s the link to Lomborg’s Dr Nordhaus post in January 2025.
https://financialpost.com/opinion/bjorn-lomborg-climate-spending-costs-more-than-climate-change
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BTW OWI DATA shows UN projections for global population by 2100 will be 10.2 billion or just 2 billion more than today.
And if the African and Asian populations ease off, those projections could be lower. Africa’s population today is over 1.5 billion and could reach 3.7 billion by 2100 and Asia could be over 5 billion by 2080 but reduce to 4.7 billion by 2100.
Africa’s average age today is a very young 20 years, while Aussies and other wealthy countries are about 37 years, yet Japan is now about 45 years.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/population-with-un-projections
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Sorry, I double checked the continents from OWI Data and UN projections are slightly different than I claimed.
Asia will increase to over 5 billion before 2050 and drop to 4.9 billion by 2100.
Our continent of Oceania (OZ + NZ + Island nations) is still a very small population by 2100 and looks like a straight horizontal line for the next 75 years.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/population-with-un-projections?country=OWID_WRL~UNM49_ASI~UNM49_AFR~UNM49_OCE~UNM49_EUR~UNM49_NAM~UNM49_LAC
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Janus could also bring second and third-order benefits with it. Introducing advanced microreactors to military installations could kick-start the U.S. commercial nuclear power market and attract new blood to replenish the current critical shortage of nuclear engineers in America,
Army To Bring Nuclear Microreactors To Its Bases By 2028
Alas I may not live long enough to see the results of this (I consider 2028 optimistic) but the reduction in installation cost for SMNRs may provide “pressure” on the other sources which generate electricity. And perhaps on Australian politicians.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/army-bring-nuclear-microreactors-its-bases-2028
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It seems to The Australian Comments Moderators are blocking “He Who Must Not Be Named – Voldermort” deleting if you say the Old BOM Site still exists
Why I have not got a Clue?
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/put-lives-at-risk-boms-new-website-criticised-by-queensland-government/news-story/3b35297bef1bc1fda9af0096b432e83f
and
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics-latest-kevin-rudds-roadshow-pushes-us-prospects/live-coverage/c275abeffa386cdc002da3a20ef3e1c0
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Now Shellenberger has looked at the very latest SLR data and admits that there’s no increase in the rate at all.
This is only a few days ago and I linked to this data at that time.
So where’s their so called dangerous CC, because the real data until 2100 shows the same rise as the 20th century.
IOW just more silly models and you leave out the data you don’t like. And for this we’ll WASTE TRILLIONs of $ and destroy our environments?
Again, just unbelievable but true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZZu7eSc9l8
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I saw this and was pondering linking it.
I think I’m bitter.
A dozen years ago or more, without that much effort, I a lowly child of high quality battle fodder, discovered the CAGW lie.
Now I must suffer the precious intellectual class, revel in their sudden realization of the obvious.
SLR, the dumbest of the dumb things the Climate Change proselytizers proselytize.
(If you’re worried about SLR, just call the Dutch.)
And it’s probably too late to the fix the dumb that has been foisted upon us.
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Plus 9.98 out of 10, lowly child of high quality battle fodder
and also sceptic of SLR.
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love a good leading question, pity this one isn’t.
would you like cheaper food, if we only use fossil fuels to transport and store it.
would like like cheaper health if we used leaded petrol
would like like cheaper housing if we ban all immigrations
Neither are those
as explained in one episode of “Yes Minister”
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Would you like the lights on, if a motionless wind turbine could provide it?
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And what’s wrong with FRACKING? Except it’s legislated illegal in Victoria. Which shows how stupid our politicians are. Nuclear is also illegal.
Some council have banned nuclear weapons, which shows how far they are from living in the real world. And the Victorian government banned the export of brown coal, especially if you take the water out and make it black.
But quite possibly we are world leaders in stupidity. A stupidity SUPER POWER.
7 million people in Victoria, 0.1% of the world’s population and we have legislated an energy vacuum and shutting down of all business.
No way are we dying from man made Global Warming! Let the rest of the world suffer!
And for our benefit the Victorian Government is currently legislating creating a democracy for which we pay and which aborigines own, a racist world where one racial group has absolute control.
Politicians are just nuts. Or both mad and bad.
I can only think there should be an intelligence test to be a politician. But I guess that would wipe out most governments.
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I walked into a Melburnistan coffee shop yesterday morning and asked the proprietor “where’s our global warming?”. We had torrential rain and a serious wind chill factor in play outside. He replied “I don’t believe in all that- it’s a con”.
That’s why he’s my barista.
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From J.B.Shurk at American Thinker:
“At some point, Westerners might have to wake up to the uncomfortable reality that their leaders not only do not have their best interests at heart, but also do not care in the slightest what the people’s interests actually are. Power and control are their game. Wealth and finding ways to maintain that wealth at the people’s expense are their drug of choice. People…well, they are nothing more than pawns to be sacrificed at will. After all, there are entirely too many of those for the World Economic Forum’s global oligarchy to tolerate on Planet Earth much longer. They will submit, remain quiet, or go.”
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And then there’s the conceit that they can control the situation they appear to be seeking to create.
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Opportunism rains. 🙁
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It is a modern day pandemic of mass formation psychosis. People that consider themselves rational have been mesmerised by the media and “the science”. However, they won’t be requiring vaccines for this pandemic..
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One man’s solution to the electric car range problem.
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Heh heh. I’m sure it’s AI generated but l like it. It typifies the mindset of EV drivers- they have no idea what dirty nickel is let alone the massive amounts of CO2 BYD and Chery are generating in order to get their cars to market.
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A fragmented intermittent power supply is impossible to regulate and will collapse regularly. Interstate connections only work with a controlled regular supply!
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To determine that burning fossil fuels does not cause or even contribute to climate change:
More experiment is not needed. At least five ‘experiments’ have already taken place and the data all already exist.
Models aren’t needed. The analysis consists of simple arithmetic on the existing data. The average global water vapor increase, as limited by the Clausius-Clapeyron relation and rational compounding producing the 6.7 % per degree factor, is calculated from the average global Surface Temperature increase.
The observation is that the measured average global WV increase is up to substantially (about twice or more) more than possible from just average global SST increase. Because the only significant effect that CO2 could have on climate is temperature increase, CO2 is ruled out as a significant contributor to climate change.
That’s it. There are probably several factors contributing to climate change but CO2 (burning fossil fuels) isn’t one of them.
https://watervaporandwarming.blogspot.com
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What everyone seems to miss, and it is part of the debate, is that none of this is an accident or evidence of stupidity.
It is part of a deliberate plan to keep the masses poor, in perpetual debt, dependent on the gov’t, and therefore easily controlled.
It has nothing to do with changing the weather or saving the planet. As with all things, it is all about power and control by megalomaniacs who crave power for its own sake.
When looked at from this perspective it all makes perfect sense.
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