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Labor hands Coalition the gift that keeps on giving: Another Climate Election!

The Coalition must be thrilled. The Australia election is due in the next six months, it’s on a knife edge which the current government could easily lose, and the Opposition leader just announced that instead of the current 27% reduction in CO2 emissions by 2030, they will aim for a 43% cut.

The question is whether Australian voters fall for the magical fantasy plan

As usual, Labor will “pick winners” in a competitive market and somehow make things cheaper, better and increase jobs too:

Mr Albanese said Labor’s long-awaited emissions reduction target would create jobs, cut power bills and reduce emissions.

“Electricity prices will fall from the current level by $275 for households by 2025 at the end of our first term if we are successful,” he said.

The policy would create an additional 604,000 jobs by 2030, with the majority in regional Australia, he said.

To bad that for every Green Job created, two to five real jobs are lost.

Labor is the best friend of foreign bankers

carbon credits

Labor plans to ramp up our secret emissions trading scheme. In a coded transmission, Labor announces that Australians will send their hard earned money overseas and get nothing in return but paper certificates for CO2 emissions that third world countries may have once intended to emit.

“In particular, we welcome the use of the existing Safeguard Mechanism and the Climate Change Authority to set emission budgets.”

Concealed from the public, the Safeguard Mechanism was installed by Malcolm Turnbull, also known as the Member for Goldman Sachs.  The World Bank was happy.  Turnbull and Hunt brought this in as a legal framework that is already running but barely. Labor don’t even need to get new legislation in place to feed the bankers, all they have to do is turn the dial and they’ve just said they will.

The Safeguard Mechanism applies to Australia’s largest 150 companies and will force them to make more emissions cuts and buy carbon credits to meet those targets. And who sets the targets? Another unelectable bunch of bureaucrats:  “The Climate Change Authority”.

Unless Australians get serious and vote for minor parties to hold the balance of power — even if the Coalition wins, the Green Blob does too.  Somehow a conservative party that sold out on its own promises may escape punishment. Every time the Rightwing moves left, the Leftwing move lefter.

Can Labor lose another unloseable election by throwing itself on the Climate pyre? Oh yes, they can, but only if the Coalition can point out the flaws in a policy they voted for, and endorsed with Net Zero.

9.9 out of 10 based on 75 ratings

94 comments to Labor hands Coalition the gift that keeps on giving: Another Climate Election!

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    Analitik

    Turncoat is gone and Hunt is going. Hope lives.

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    LloydWW

    I’m going to hold my nose and either vote PHON or UAP.

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      Zigmaster

      Lloyd
      You should have a good look at the Liberal Democrats. They have I think the best chance of making a sustained change to the way the goverment operates. Besides being against net zero and nuclear power ban they have a set of principles and policies that include small government, lower taxes. Their manifesto is a good read..

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        max

        “The mainstream media, because they are intensely liberal, are intensely committed to politics. They are committed to the doctrine of salvation by politics. This is the doctrine of salvation by legislation, which always becomes salvation by executive regulation: the Federal Register. In short, this is salvation by law — not ethical, personal salvation — liberals do not believe in this, not believing in heaven or hell — but political law for corporate salvation.

        They believe in salvation by politics. But salvation by politics has always been a myth. It was the great myth of classical Greece. The polis was divine, in their view. Man is a political animal, in their view. But man isn’t an animal. Animals are not in need of salvation.

        Significant social change does not begin with national politics. It begins with a worldview that applies socially, beginning with individual minds, and spreading to voluntary associations: families, churches, schools, charitably associations, and so forth. This was Adam Smith’s view in 1776. It was Edmund Burke’s view.

        This is the Western liberal tradition. It is also the Western conservative tradition. It has been abandoned. In its place has come the Progressives’ political tradition: salvation by politics. This is the religion of our age, all over the world. Until it is abandoned, there will be no significant political change. It will be business as usual: crony capitalism, tenured bureaucracy, deficit spending, central banking, unfunded liabilities, Medicare, Social Security, and the public schools.”

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        bobn

        I’d vote for whoever Prof Ian Plimer votes for.

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      Robdel

      Same here. Lib dems is another possibility

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      Hanrahan

      Go ahead, waste your vote. Enjoy Albo. Do you seriously think he is better than Rudd/Gillard?

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        GlenM

        At least you could preference the Lib/Nats. Still, I reckon voting for a fractured conservative bloc might disapate the effect.

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      LloydWW

      Yeah my comment was intended to show how low I’d be prepared to go to punish the LNP.

      While I like a lot of PHON’s policies I’ve always thought Hanson has about her the look of someone who really knows how to hate. Similarly, I think Palmer is a deeply flawed indivual but at least they’re making an impact of sorts. Craig Kelly serves UAP well by bringing his brand of passion on to their platform.

      I had forgotten about the Lib Dems but then that’s almost a point in itself. No matter how attractive their policies they are such a colourless lot they disappear into the gray of government. Were it not for that accident where their name was placed prominently on the voting papers they probably would not have achieved any electoral success. But yes, I would consider a vote there.

      As for the ALP, I could never understand why Shorten who is from the NSW Right would try to out-Left Albanese who everyone knows is part of the most Left leaning faction of the ALP. Now that Albo is running does anyone seriously think he will become a centrist should he be elected to Government? Add in the sordid rumours of his proclivities. No.

      I had hoped the mass exodus of Liberal wets at the last election would result in a steelier Conservative government. I like their stance on China but I think they’re enabling repression through their pandemic measures and proposed digital Bill. They’ve lost me.

      [wee edit. – LVA]

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    John+R+Smith

    No offense, and from the outside looking in …
    the Covid Agenda is your main issue.
    If you don’t turn that one around, 2 week power outages in winter might be the least of your problems.
    Do the National Resilience Centers have their own power generation systems?
    That would make them more resilient.

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      PeterS

      I hear you and in total agreement. Besides as I have stated below, both major parties are in favour of net zero emissions by 2050, so those who are voting for the coalition in the expectation of blocking the net zero mandate are delusional.

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        Ted1

        Surely that is not set in stone. I’d suggest it’s impossible, and will soon be seen to be so.

        Then there goes China full speed in the opposite direction!

        It’s just a pity that the election can’t be put off for another six months.

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          PeterS

          The only difference six months will make is that we will be six months closer to the destruction of the West, partly due to the push by the “free world” to net zero emissions by mainstream parties.

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          Lawrie

          Now that Albo has committed to a ridiculous target and made some unsubstantiated claims on fictitious jobs and “savings” Morison should say they are going to concentrate on preparing Australia to be better able to defend itself and to bring back manufacturing with real jobs and that will require new HELE power stations. I can dream can’t I? I do feel another letter to my local member coming on.

          I would be interested in where those 604000 new jobs are coming from and if they are in addition to existing jobs. Albo claims that households will save $275 on electricity but will they pay more for goods and services adversely affected by carbon taxes and impositions? Meanwhile the Coalition is just as hazy with it’s projections. Readers here know that both plans are BS.

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            John in Oz

            As with all pollies’ talk of jobs, they are not really new ones just the labour force moving to other projects so they get to keep their existing jobs.

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            Harves

            I wonder if Albo has ever visited a solar farm and seen the extraordinary number of skilled workers operating it. Oh no, my mistake, there’s actually a couple of electricians, an IT guy, a cleaner, and a guy mowing the lawn.
            Perhaps they are going to each have their own private barista?

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          Forrest Gardener

          Be careful what you wish for Ted1. There are people who would dearly like to delay elections. Only until the present circumstances change of course. But then the circumstances never do change.

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      John+R+Smith

      We’re all in the same boat, it just seems like Australia is a focal point, I’m here because I fear that so goes Australia, so goes the West.
      Moral support is the only help I can give.
      Mocked.
      They must be mercilessly mocked.
      And then mock them more as they attempt to ban mockery.
      Pythons.
      The great warriors of freedom.

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      Bruce

      Speaking of “resilience centres”:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGFdWcJU7-0&t=898s

      Anything else on the horizon?

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    PeterS

    One problem. The two major parties are on a unity ticket to achieve net zero emissions by 2050. At least the coalition’s plan mentions nuclear:

    Australia’s approach keeps all technologies on the table. We will monitor emerging
    technologies in the early stages of development, like small modular nuclear reactors.
    We are open to any low emissions technologies, including those that reduce the
    emissions from traditional fuels like gas or coal. We are open to any low emissions
    technologies that contribute to Australia’s net zero future.

    Australia’s Long-Term Emissions Reduction Plan

    Still, if one is seriously against net zero emissions then don’t vote for either major party. I’m seriously against it so I won’t be voting for either major party.

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      Hasbeen

      Fine sentiment, & you can do it in the upper house, but how the hell do you do it for the lower house.

      Unless there is a major desertion of the major parties, with preferential voting, your vote trickles down to one of them, & elects someone you don’t want.

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        PeterS

        That’s my point. Unless enough people wake up and use their brains for a change when voting, nothing will change. Voting for either major party expecting a real change for the better is now another definition of insanity.

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        Tim

        Hi Hasbeen How do you do it in the lower hose. Vote for a minor party candidate the same as you do in the upper house. One nation very nearly rolled Joel fitzgibbon in the hunter last time. It only takes a couple to fall for the dominos to fall. Use the preferences to your advantage. Put the 3 majors and the lefty independents last The other issue is that by not putting the majors first, means they dont get the government funding of the first preference vote.

        I’m going to vote one nation, for no other reason than they have been trying to take action. To me talk is cheap. Im am looking for someone that walks the walk, not talks the talk. On top of this Pauline Hanson was jail incorrectly for her political views, so she more that anyone should understand what is happening now. I also recon she has talent behind her that are doing the same. Malcom roberts is a real talent and Mark Latham in NSW is also working hard and doing stuff not just talking. Just my 2 cents worth

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      Zigmaster

      The major parties always say a vote for a major party is a wasted vote. Nothing could be further from the truth. This is the only way we have a chance to escape the political disaster that is Labor or Liberal. We have to show the major parties that being slightly less radical on climate change is not good enough. Another defeat for climate alarmism has to be front and centre in the message from the election results.

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      GlenM

      Having business and corporate Australia in on the show it will be hard. To me all of this is platitude and the reality will eventually set. I hope.

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    KP

    Ah, long before then we will have the military hunting down the un-vaxed and then those who haven’t got their 7th booster.. That’s about the time the great unwashed will realise they’ve been lied to like children and Santa Claus, and hopefully the cynicism will over-ride both great schemes.

    If you want to see what happens when minor parties run a country, look at the mess they’ve made of NZ since MMP came in. ..oh sorry, Aotearoa..

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      Isn’t it more a case of when power becomes concentrated in a political party that thinks only it can know what’s best for the people that put them in power?

      In America, we used to have a Constitution that told us that.

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    Deano

    It would not surprise me if Morrison embarked on a game of Greenie one-upmanship with Labor. Politicians, even in 2021, still seem addicted to main stream media approval even after it leads them to widespread supporter desertion. I guess they’re surrounded by advisors who secretly have an agenda – similar to the way some almighty emperors were under the control of their wives.

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      PeterS

      That one-upmanship with Labor started some time ago. It’s amazing to see so many people still don’t know that the LNP is officially on the same page as the ALP+Greens wrt net zero emissions. The only major difference between the two parties is that the LNP have not completely discounted the use of nuclear whereas the ALP+Greens have. Other than that, both parties are in total agreement that net zero emissions by 2050 is the way we need to go. So, one-upmanship with Labor is now not necessary. Given that fact, anyone who votes for either major party is officially supporting net zero emissions by 2050. If anyone wants to protest against such a move then don’t vote for them. Otherwise, stop whinging about net zero emissions and admit you don’t really care.

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    Albanese mentioned Australia as the Renewables Powerhouse.

    Huh! Take away coal fired power and there won’t be enough power left for a renewable outhouse.

    Tony.

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      PeterS

      Angus Taylor mentioned the following in his foreword address to “AUSTRALIA’S LONG-TERM EMISSIONS REDUCTION PLAN A whole-of-economy Plan to achieve net zero emissions by 2050”

      When it comes to reducing emissions, Australia’s story so far is one of
      consistent achievement.
      Since 2005, we have reduced emissions by more than 20 per cent
      – faster than every other major commodity exporting nation – while
      our economy has grown by 45 per cent.
      We have beaten our Kyoto-era targets by 459 million tonnes and
      expect to beat our 2030 Paris target by up to 343 million tonnes.
      Australia is now forecast to achieve a similar or greater reduction in
      per capita emissions by 2030 than many other major developed
      economies including Canada, the European Union, Japan and the
      United States.
      The Morrison Government’s Long-Term Emissions Reduction Plan sets
      out the responsible, practical steps we will take over the next 30 years
      to reduce Australia’s emissions to net zero by 2050, while growing
      our economy and jobs.

      A vote for either major party is now a vote for net zero emissions by 2050.

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        sophocles

        What do you think they’ll do when the cold from the Grand Solar Minimum arrives?

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          PeterPetrum

          9degC in the Blue Mountains today, cloudy and raining and forecast to be much the same until next Saturday. Looks like it is here already ….. oh, wait ….. cold rainy conditions is only “weather” …. I forgot.

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      Geoffrey+Williams

      Tony, yesterday ABC radio anounced in it’s morning news that renewables had made a record of a 30% contribution of energy supply on Australia’s East coast. Sounded like usual gross exaggeration to myself.
      Can you comment please . .
      GeoffW

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        Robber

        According to OpenNEM, over the last 12 months average contributions to the AEMO electricity grid have been:
        Rooftop solar 7.7%
        Large solar 4.1%
        Wind 11.3%
        Hydro 7.7%
        So that’s 30.8% on average.
        But less than 20% every night.

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          According to OpenNEM, over the last 12 months average contributions to the AEMO electricity grid have been:
          Rooftop solar 7.7%

          Bull5h1t ..!
          They cannot count Rooftop solar as a “grid” supply !
          It may be 7.7% of consumption, but it doesnt come from the grid !

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            They cannot count Rooftop solar as a “grid” supply !
            It may be 7.7% of consumption, but it doesnt come from the grid !

            A semantic word ‘exercise’ is all it really is.

            No, it is maybe not grid supply, but what it does mean is that the 7.7% of residential power consumption only, which is supplied from rooftop panels, well that same 7.7% now does NOT need to be supplied BY the grid.

            So, it IS still 7.7% of total generated and supplied power.

            Tony.

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              Tony, semantics or not,.. i cannot consider RT solar to be a contributor to grid supply, any more than my back your diesel generator, or my direct solar water heater , or my wood burner, even though they reduce the demand on the grid supply.
              By your logic, a cool summer, reducing A/C , which means “more power need not be supplied by the grid” ,..is also a contributor to grid generation ?
              I fully understand how RT solar impacts on grid demand and function.,…but changing grid DEMAND is not contributing to grid SUPPLY.

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          Hanrahan

          They’re cheating including hydro. They are all legacy installations, none of this $100 bill Tony speaks of was spent there. The old-fashioned engineers built them and they are good for >100 years.

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        Hmm!

        I was just wondering here.

        They’ve struggled now, spending (around) a hundred Billion dollars in today’s money to get renewables up to 30%, and yes, they are now at that 30% figure of all the generated power coming from the four renewables.

        But what I was wondering is this.

        That means that 70% of the grid is still fossil fuels, (64% coal fired power) and without that fossil fuelled contribution to the grid, then there is ….. NO grid, hence NO renewable power, because the grid needs all the generated power to be in place to actually operate.

        That 30% renewables is ‘skewed’ by the two smallest jurisdictions Tasmania (mostly hydro) and SouthAus. (mostly wind)

        The ‘big three’ States consume 87% of all the generated power, and in those three States, only 24% of power comes from those four renewables.

        However, it’s all moot.

        Because without all that coal fired power (mainly) there is NO power for anybody ….. FULL STOP.

        The only people who will have power are the few homes which have rooftop panels and the designed battery in place, and are not connected to the grid. But hey, what’s the point of having power for your home if there is ZERO power anywhere else.

        Tony.

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          Geoffrey+Williams

          Thanks Tony for your prompt reply.
          You have clarified the matter and as I expected the ABC have only told half the story.
          Could we all be forced to install solar+batteries. And at what cost financially and at what cost to the environment ?!
          GeoffW

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            As I mentioned, it’s moot, because even if those homes have rooftop panels and batteries, and are ‘off grid’, if there is NO power on the grid, then there’s no point having power for your home only.

            It was only yesterday in fact I got another of those familiar cold calls, and the voice on the other end mentioned that their records (umm, and just where did they get those records) showed that I had not taken advantage of the thousands of dollars of Government rebates.

            When I asked what for, the response was the opening spiel for rooftop solar installations, and was I aware of that?

            I then mentioned that I wondered how they could do something like that for me, when I live on a third floor apartment, and I actually started to snicker a little I’m afraid.

            Umm, sorry Sir, we’ll immediately amend our records. They even knew my name enough to not call me Mr. Lang, or even Anton, but ….. “Am I speaking with Tony?”

            Tony.

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            Oh, and the proud bragging news all across the Internet is that Australia now has 15GW of rooftop solar power.

            Oh, WOW! That is so huge.

            The actual power it delivers is that 7.7%, and that comes in at 15,709GWH for the last year, 365 days to this morning. (and here, keep in mind that this is just a best case guess by the AEMO, because they have no way whatsoever of measuring it accurately, like they can with every other form of power generation)

            So that immensely humungous, astonishingly huge, large power generation of that whopping 15,709GWH gives rooftop solar power the year round Capacity Factor of, umm 11.95%.

            Oh frabjous day!

            Oh, Mr Smith, I see you’ve entered a Trabant in this year’s Bathurst 1000. Yeah! we’re gonna win it too!

            Tony.

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              Not directed at you Tony,. But ..
              NO BODY KNOWS HOW MUCH POWER IS GENERATED BY ROOF TOP SOLAR.
              Several parties (AEMO etc) have various methods of estimating the RTsolar generated but they are crude and hugely inaccurate ESTIMATES.

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                Bruce

                Guesstimates!

                That take ZERO account of the “quality” of the installed panels and the efficiency of their “alignment”, nor of the standard of maintenance / cleanliness.

                Furthermore, no record of whether the roof-top systems can be shut down in the event of a fire in daylight. I doubt the fire fighting types like the idea of holding wet hosed whilst playing chlorinated water on a rooftop that may be generating several hundred Volts, DC. The only consolation is that all that stuff on the roof makes it collapse faster in a fire.

                An interesting aside came out of the floods in the Lockyer Valley a few years back. Classic corrugated-iron sheds fitted with panels and housing the batteries and inverters were underwater for days. VERY sunny days. The electrolytic erosion of the structures was “interesting”. NO “shut-off” system to prevent hundreds of DC volts livening up the contaminated flood water.

                Solar installations are a great thing IF made from quality components and installed where the panels can be readily cleaned and inspected. On the roofs of lightly-constructed houses in suburbia? Not so much. The eye-watering sums demanded by the “electricity companies” to run serious power to rural propertied makes Solar a “no-brainer” for such situations. Steel poles supporting panel arrays on a gimbal head is just a start. The gimbal head is so the panels can be “user-adjustable to “optimal tracking” during the year. This is very important for those in “cooler’ latitude. The steel (or concrete ) poles are for termite resistance. Site well away from trees; The heat from a good crown fire will destroy the panels at a considerable distance.

                Now, how may suburban punters can change a fluorescent (or LED) tube or a tap washer? (Yes, i know about ceramic seats etc. in modern tap-ware). Basic maintenance / “observation” on a roof-mounted solar rig?

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    Dave in the States

    Your left is perhaps making a faulty analysis of the 2020 elections in America. They may believe that their green agenda is accepted by the American people, so they can continue to push such unpopular agenda items, because the Biden Illegitimacy has been “doing it” to the Americans.

    But the Biden Illegitimacy does not have any such mandate in reality. Even if we ignore the fact that the election was stolen, Biden only prevailed by a slim margin in some key districts in a few key states.

    Another possibility, one that is scary, is that they have in place the means to steal your election.

    The more likely scenario is that they delusionally think that most view the world as they do, and that the last climate election outcome was just an aberration.

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      Deano

      I think as Trump said – The media is the problem. You raised the possibility of our coming federal election being rigged and I must admit I’m worried about this too. Our system is a bit different from the U.S. system but the principle is the same and relies on a chain of officials doing the right thing. Only one of them needs to be corrupt for the whole thing to be corrupted. Unfortunately, Australia tends to follow American fads!

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      Ted1

      I still can’t believe that the Nationals are willingly backing net Zero.

      How many Liberals have announced their impending retirement? It seems like a lot. The Nationals could hardly be happy with that, too.

      For a century the Nationals have operated from a studiously narrow rural base. I always regarded this as foolish. City people and country people have the same needs. On a dispassionate examination the Nationals have been the party of small business. Had the ALP won the 2019 election, the Nationals constituency would have been wiped out by the time the 2022 election came around. And that still applies for the coming election. So, if they want to survive, the Nationals must spread their base to pick up what the Liberals lose. For the party it’s life or death.

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        Harold in the US

        The National Party is a group of wimps. They’ve had the opportunity and voter sentiment for 20 years to be more assertive even to the point of separating from the Liberal Party, but they can’t do it. They’re scared of losing what remains of the little influence they have and don’t want the short term insecurity they’ll have to go through while growing their urban base. ABC is a friend to both Labor and in this case; the Liberals in this case, by keeping a lid on the Nationals.
        There’s an appropriate name that comes to mind for the Nationals relationship with the Libs that also applies to the relationship of the rear passenger on a motorcycle to the driver.

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        PeterS

        Voting for either major party is a lot like taking the COVID-19 vaccine in the expectation that it’s all now over and done with and all is fine, yet there is clear indication that one will need to take booster shots for many years to come if not a lot more.

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          farmerbraun

          In NZ , with our MMP system , the only way to avoid a repeat of the tyranny of the Jacinda regime, is to have only minority governments; the only situation which will see the laws made by a majority of the Parliament, and not by edict of the government which “has the numbers”.
          So we require opposition parties , with sufficient numbers, who will refuse the “baubles of office” and hold governments accountable to the people.
          The formation of coalitions to achieve “first -past-the-past ” type majorities must never happen again .

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        Zigmaster

        Ted
        I’m not convinced that the Nationals did willingly support net zero and clearly some individual nationals did not. I think they felt they had no choice just like most people who ‘willingly’ took the vaccine. They thought they were being pragmatic. The Libs portrayed the position as being that if they voted for net zero the worlds financial community would treat Australia as a pariah. This is I think such total bull*** and it’s actually embarrassing that as a party they didn’t have the balls to stand up against this blatant blackmail.
        The Libs and the Nationals have badly misread the mood on this issue and ignored the one issue that would’ve been true pragmatism . Remove the ban on uranium and push nuclear and all would make sense. All they’ve done is put the election result in jeopardy by pandering to people who are either not Australians or are Australians who would never vote for them anyway. Pathetic and cowardly.

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          el+gordo

          Politically its inadvisable for the majors to go the nuclear path, its a vote loser.

          In NSW they are constructing renewable zones, the market is paying, which will be up and running very quickly for a fraction of the costs.

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            NOt a lot of love for a proven statement. There are 11 unnamed people who actually think that nuclear is a vote winner? Maybe people down voted as they don’t like the message?

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        GlenM

        The old Country Party was protectionist and employed a type of rural socialism which expressed the reality of the times. But the times did change and they ditched their inward looking nature and re branded themselves (funny that) to a more cosmopolitan view. The old Labor guard – like Jack Renshaw appealed to a lot of rural – both blue collar workers and the struggling wheat/sheep farmer and was pragmatic. Good bloke. We need people in politics who are conviction types with common-sense.

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          Ted1

          Old Country party? How old?

          John McEwen is remembered by modern scholars as protectionist. But it wasn’t Agriculture that he was protecting. His tariffs protected Australia’s manufacturing workers from having to compete on equal terms with workers in Japan and Hong Kong who in those days worked very long hours for very low pay.

          No sane Australian would have said they should have to compete to that level.

          The trouble is that our modern scholars assumed that because he was the leader of the Country Party he was protecting the farmers. Quite the opposite. But our scholars are that shallow.

          John McEwen was not Minister for Agriculture. He was Minister for Trade. And the best Australia has had in the post WWII era. He was also, without being in the Labor Party, effectively the best Australian Labour politician of that period.
          .

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    MM from Canada

    Off topic, but Jo what the heck is going on at Howard Springs?

    [See Freddie Sayers interview on H.S.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGFdWcJU7-0
    – LVA ]

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    Penguinite

    Labor must think we’re all stupid! Newton’s Third Law of Motion, Equal and Opposite Reactions, will apply to the $275 per household saving in domestic electricity costs will just transfer to Business costs and filter through as inflation.

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      Tim

      I think you have misread what labor said. They said you will have a $275 cheaper power bill. They will achieve this by the use of the blackouts their policies will cause. You dont pay for the power you cant use. Yet Labors policy means that society will shut down at sundown and come to light at sun up. There you go that is how you get a $275 lower power bill

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      Forrest Gardener

      Think we are all stupid? Heck they rely on it. All politicians do.

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    Liberator

    This – “To bad that for every Green Job created, two to five real jobs are lost.” So so true. This is what people don’t get. Sounds great, wow so many more new jobs, 600,000, awesome!. Meanwhile we’ll have manufacturing and all the ancillary businesses/jobs that support manufacturing going to the wall and double if not triple or even more the number of jobs “created” for runiables going to the wall.

    I keep wondering what these new jobs will be, they never ever give us the details.Jobs likes installing solar panels and wind turbines are only short lived roles. How many people do we need to clean the hundreds of thousands of acres of solar panels? Maybe it will be crews of people pulling down the panels that have since meet their limited life expectancy?

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      Neville

      Liberator you’re correct, but as Roy Spencer once observed we’d be better off paying people to just dig holes and then fill them up again.
      At least that way we would still have base-load power and a reliable electricity system to support real jobs for our future.
      This fantasy land of NET ZERO and EXISTENTIAL threats etc would be laughable if it wasn’t so serious.
      I’m seriously looking at a minor party to vote for, but I’ll always put Labor and the Greens idiots LAST.

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        Ronin

        What I’m looking for is a tail to wag the dog, such as Lib Dems or PHON.

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        Neville
        December 4, 2021 at 7:17 am · Reply
        Liberator you’re correct, but as Roy Spencer once observed we’d be better off paying people to just dig holes and then fill them up again.

        We dont need to pay folk to dig holes, nature does that very efficiently all over our road system !
        We should just employ twice as many folk to fill them in quicker !

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    Max

    Libs, ALP, Greens, same book, different cover

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    another ian

    “Labor’s ready again. Got the photo to prove it. Nothing else, just the photo.”

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/12/labors-ready-again-got-the-photo-to-prove-it-nothing-else-just-the-photo.html

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    another ian

    Not Oz but – –

    “Rex Murphy: After 21 months, our leaders are still flying blind through the pandemic”

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-after-21-months-our-leaders-are-still-flying-blind-through-the-pandemic

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    Neville

    AGAIN here’s the CSIRO telling us that the ENTIRE SH is already a NET co2 SINK and the NH is the NET co2 SOURCE.

    So why are they lying to the people and why doesn’t any party mention this and highlight this critical information or DATA. BTW the donkeys should just look at the last decade co2 level increase and then start to WAKE UP. Here’s the link and the CSIRO quote from their Tassie site. Why would anyone NOT understand this simple data and evidence?

    https://www.csiro.au/en/research/natural-environment/atmosphere/Latest-greenhouse-gas-data
    “Seasonal variation”

    “Carbon dioxide concentrations show seasonal variations (annual cycles) that vary according to global location and altitude. Several processes contribute to carbon dioxide annual cycles: for example, uptake and release of carbon dioxide by terrestrial plants and the oceans, and the transport of carbon dioxide around the globe from source regions (the Northern Hemisphere is a net source of carbon dioxide, the Southern Hemisphere a net sink)”.

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      John in Oz

      I wrote to the PM recently pointing out the CSIRO’s statement that we are a net sink in our half of the world.

      His response (my bold):

      I appreciate you sharing your views with me. However, I must honestly and respectfully
      disagree with the premise of your argument.
      The Australian Government actively contributes to the global scientific reviews organised by
      the Intergovernmental on Climate Change, and accepts the findings of our own science
      agencies
      and the global scientific community.

      Double-speak. One side of his mouth disagrees with me (hence also the CSIRO) but the other side accepts our science agencies (the CSIRO).

      OF interest is that the latest letter is almost word-for-word a copy of an older letter wherein I had made a totally different point to him (rather, his minions).

      All we get are form letters with no regard for our point of view.

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      Neville,
      The answer is because the IPCC version of “Net Zero” refers specificly to ANTHROPOGENIC CO2 ….not just the Total Co2 balance .

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        And Neville, Sorry if that answer irritates you ( it does me also),
        But dont blame me for being the messenger, just quoting from the Book Of Lies

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      Bill+Burrows

      I’m surprised commenters here have not got into more of a lather over yesterday’s ABC article (See: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-03/satellites-are-challenging-australias-coal-mining-industry/100663676) that trumpets ‘how satellites are challenging Australia’s official GHG emissions figures. [Although Bruce at # 16.1.1 alludes to this]. I found the article to be of interest because it draws attention to the only way we can ever measure Australia’s net CO2 – e emissions accurately and with acceptable precision i.e. by employing spectral sensors on satellite platforms.

      I have previously pointed out in comments on this blog that the Department of Industry, Science, Energy and Resources “has adopted the position that for the Paris Agreement all net CO2 – e emissions from ALL lands (in Australia) will be accounted for – without restriction” (See: https://www.keepandshare.com/doc22/112736/sampling-the-australian-landscape-for-net-emissions-under-the-pa-pdf-757k?da=y). The ABC article notes that a spokesperson for DISER said that “the department believes, like the IPCC, that it is premature to use the satellite data to quantify emissions directly”. My additional interpretation: They are on the case baby, and with all deliberate speed!

      Of course highlighting methane emissions from coal mines is little different in principle to recording net CO2 withdrawal from growing vegetation in Australia’s landscape (See previous link). I note from the 4 ‘hard science’ journal articles cited in that link that our natural/managed land flux (withdrawal from the atmosphere above the Australian land mass) approximates 700 MT CO2 – e/yr. Should be more than enough to satisfy any need to demonstrate “net zero emissions in Australia” by 2050, even under a business as usual scenario. (Assuming the current charade is still being played out then).

      [PS for Chad: We have had this discussion before – Check out the 1st and 3rd paras of the previous link again. All land in Australia is subject to management decisions Chad. And all books are subject to ongoing revisions – even your quoted ‘Book of Lies’].

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        Geoffrey+Williams

        So the IPCC have had such little success with co2 they are now turning their attention to methane. Imagine if they put their ‘methane’ satellite over the melting tundra permafrost just now. Nothing much there I’d suggest . .
        GeoffW

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    Neville

    Here’s the Mauna Loa GLOBAL growth rate for co2 and note the consistently higher trends since 1990.
    IOW just 30 years of their consistent BS and fra-d and without a little child pointing out the bleeding obvious.

    https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/gr.html

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      Ronin

      Mauna bloody Loa, isn’t it downwind of China and Japan.
      Wouldn’t Cape Grim work better.

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        Bruce

        Mauna Loa? The active volcano Mauna Loa? The CO2-emitting, active volcano Mauna Loa?

        Cute.

        And just down across the huge, jumbled lava field is the seriously active Kilauea. This one is known to emit all manner of nasties, including Chlorine and Radon, because, down in the Caldera, there are warning signs posted for the tourists. (Or at leas there were both times I visited).

        The latest local caper is the usual suspects foaming at the mouth about Methane “leaking” from coal mines in central Queensland.

        SCIENCE!!…yay…

        You know; methane, the “killer” greenhouse gas that is a NATURAL product of anaerobic decay of vegetable matter. The stuff emitted by billions of herbivores, both foreign and domestic, wild or domesticated. The lethal stuff that has been quietly bubbling out of every “ecologically fragile” swamp since life first appeared? Yep! That stuff.

        In said “news” articles, ZERO figures for emission rates were provided. Quelle surf275ing prise!

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    Neville

    AGAIN here’s the only proof we need for global health and wealth since 1810 or 1900 or 1950 or 1970 or 1990 or ?
    The first billion humans were all poor and sick in 1810 and after the IND REV we’ve all benefited from the use of FOSSIL FUELS.
    Since 1970 we’ve added another 4.1 bn people and since 1990 another 2.5 bn.
    The first billion people required 200,000 years YET over just 50 years ( since 1970) more than 4.1 bn more and another 2.5 bn in just 30 years.
    Why doesn’t any party or media or so called scientists etc understand any of the available DATA?
    This takes about 5 minutes to find online, so where’s the problem?

    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/WLD/world/population

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    Neville

    Here’s another excellent 6 minute video from Craig Idso and he easily explains why the use of FOSSIL FUELS are the quick path to HEALTH, WEALTH etc since the IND REV.
    The graphs for co2 levels + world GDP should leave us in no doubt.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyPmvbVO3mM

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    Phillip Sweeney

    It is snowing in Hawaii!!!!!!

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/blizzard-warning-issued-hawaii-12-inches-snow-forecast/story?id=81542659

    And Labor is still flogging the religion of “Global Warming” rebadged as “Climate Change”.

    Australia is being governed by idiots

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    Robber

    In the fine print of the Coalition’s net zero policy is the qualifier that technologies like hydrogen production will become economic.

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    Neville

    Meanwhile Japan is quietly abandoning the NET ZERO BS and fraud and plans to almost double the use of oil and gas by 2040.

    1) “Japan plans to nearly double oil and gas production by 2040
    Bloomberg, 2 December 2021

    “Japan’s energy strategy calls for the share of oil and natural gas produced either domestically or under the control of Japanese enterprises overseas to increase from 34.7% in fiscal year 2019 to more than 60% in 2040.

    It’s been less than a month since world leaders pledged to combat climate change at the COP26 summit in Glasgow, yet Japan is already showing signs of putting the brakes on divestment from fossil fuels.

    Government officials have been quietly urging trading houses, refiners and utilities to slow down their move away from fossil fuels, and even encouraging new investments in oil-and-gas projects, according to people within the Japanese government and industry, who requested anonymity as the talks are private.

    The officials are concerned about the long-term supply of traditional fuels as the world doubles down on renewable energy, the people said. The import-dependent nation wants to avoid a potential shortage of fuel this winter, as well as during future cold spells, after a deficit last year sparked fears of nationwide blackouts.

    Japan joined almost 200 countries last month in a pledge to step up the fight against climate change, including phasing down coal power and tackling emissions. However, the moves by the officials show the struggle to turn those pledges into reality, especially for countries like Japan which relies on imports for nearly 90% of its energy needs, with prices spiking partly because of the world’s shift away from fossil fuel investments.

    The nation has been slow to make any concrete commitments to phase out coal in the near term, and has often been criticized for its funding of overseas power plants that use the dirtiest burning fossil fuel. The government has also avoided joining efforts by developed nations to reduce consumption of natural gas.

    Japan’s Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry declined to comment directly on whether it is encouraging industries to boost investment in upstream energy supply, and instead pointed to a strategic energy plan approved by Prime Minister Fumio Kishida’s cabinet on October 22. That plan says “no compromise is acceptable to ensure energy security, and it is the obligation of a nation to continue securing necessary resources.”

    That latest strategy calls for the share of oil and natural gas produced either domestically or under the control of Japanese enterprises overseas to increase from 34.7% in fiscal year 2019 to more than 60% in 2040.

    Japanese officials plan to convey to other nations the importance attached to continued investments in upstream supply, the people added.

    While Japan will likely avoid rolling blackouts or gasoline rationing this winter when demand for energy peaks in the region, the global energy crisis is leaving many within the government thinking about how to prepare for the future. Japan is still expected to be highly dependent on fossil fuels for the next decade as there is limited available space to significantly expand solar power, and the nation’s wind sector is developing slowly. It’s also struggling to restart nuclear reactors in the wake of the Fukushima disaster.

    To achieve net-zero emissions by 2050, the world needs to stop developing new gas, oil and coal fields, the International Energy Agency said in May. Japanese officials are echoing concerns highlighted by Australia last month, which said Europe’s gas supply squeeze is proof that nations need to continue to add more production.

    Japan’s trading houses, including Sumitomo Corp. and Marubeni Corp., are aggressively divesting from fossil fuels amid an uncertain future for the energy sources and pressure from shareholders. These companies, formally known as “Sogo Shosha,” have traditionally been among the biggest investors in oil and natural gas assets in order to bring the fuel to resource-poor Japan.

    Oil prices had surged to the highest level since 2014 in October, which many Japanese government officials believe was exacerbated by a lack of investment in new supply, the people said. Meanwhile, liquefied natural gas prices have jumped to a record on the back of a global shortage, helping to push Japan’s wholesale power rate to the highest level for this time of year.”

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      Dennis

      Long overdue that the Federal Government and State Governments cancelled the UN registration of former public lands and now national parks to allow access to the huge shale oil deposits in New South Wales and Queensland, and oil-gas fields such as Coober Pedy District in SA, and every other natural resource.

      UN Agenda 21 – Sustainability is another lockdown mechanism of public assets.

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    Philip

    The gift that keeps on giving. Until it doesnt. Australians are getting stupider by the year.

    The ALP will make every election about climate change until they win and then scream loudly, “we won, democracy has spoken on this issue” when in reality it will just be the round-a-bout of politics.

    Personally I refuse to vote anymore. I see nothing to vote for except some fringe off shoots. Take your pick as they all compete against each other.

    But that will help Labor win ? Oh well, lets give acceleration-ism a try. The Libs are just pathetic. My Local Nat member is as green as they come.

    No, Im just practicing guitar and taking blue pills. I only have 20 years left to live anyway so who gives a ….! Terrible attitude I know, but I refuse to vote for knee benders like the Libs.

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      PeterPetrum

      Phillip, I know how you feel. I am 81 and would never have believed that I would come to the point in my life where I feel that is just not worthwhile voting. Both main parties are deserting their traditional electorates to satisfy the dictates of the unelected UN. How hard would it be for someone with the testicular fortitude to say “bu€€er the UN, we are going to build HELE Power stations, provide cheap reliable power, woo back heavy industry an manufacturing and make our country less reliant on others”. Perhaps I am naive politically, but I believe if we did that (Japan is leading the way) we would be world leaders and the rest would beat a path to our door. I fear I will be long gone while my grandchildren struggle to survive before the wheel turns again.

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    Neville

    More blatant BS and fra-d from one of the greatest urgers and con merchants.
    Why not dream up so called past hurricane activity by using RCP 8.5 and imagine what might/ could have happened?
    Good thing that we have Dr Roger Pielke jnr to jump on these delusional fools and hold them to account.
    He also pinned down Obama’s so called Science adviser Holdren and schooled him about using proper DATA and EVIDENCE. Go Roger.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/12/03/pielke-jr-slams-kerry-emanuels-latest/

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    Harves

    The problem is that over a period of 10 years the average voter generally forgets how catastrophic a Labor government is. And the Libs in power forget why and how they got there. So every now and then we have to elect a Labor government. I reckon we are at the stage where we need to bite the bullet, vote as far right as you can, and if it means the Libs go down then so be it. A stronger conservative force will arise.

    I’m also considering just leaving an empty box against the Lib candidate where my 1 would normally go.

    In the senate put the Libs at the bottom of all the conservative parties.

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      Hanrahan

      And your lefty neighbour will vote right as a protest against HIS poor party. YA RECKON? Wanna buya bridge?

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    Neville

    Even Greenland is not helping the L W extremists and their CAGW delusions.
    And don’t forget that we are currently in the warm phase of the AMO and yet these latest studies continue to show no statistically significant warming.
    All bets will be off when the cool phase AMO takes over, perhaps during this decade?
    Who knows?

    https://climatechangedispatch.com/study-no-trend-in-greenlands-snowline-migration-or-bare-ice-areas/

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    yarpos

    Any chance of another Bob Brown caravan of virtue heading up into coal country? It would be great.

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    Kim

    The Libs don’t seem to understand the warmie, greenie and wokie issues from a center ground \ Conservative position. As such they have reduced the clear blue water between them and Labor and that will hurt them. One thing that I have found repeatedly with the Libs is how disconnected and clueless they are. I will be working the preference voting system by voting SFF at the top, followed by other minor parties, falling through to the Coalition. A Labor government would be a disaster (on par with a Biden government or quite a bit worse).

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