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Climate Propaganda burns out: neither hope nor doom works on audiences anymore

Hard to find some good news out there today. But here’s a bit:

People are immune to climate hopey gloom

Researchers tried to figure out whether to make their climate propaganda more scary or more uplifting but found instead that they might as well show 500 people “the history of smartphones”. (That was the control video). Nothing works anymore.

It was a complete wash. No new activists were made.

However, despite these emotional responses, neither [doom nor hope] video was associated with significant differences in climate change risk perceptions, likelihood of behavior change, or likelihood of climate activism. These null results suggest that the impacts of a single hope or fear appeal can be overstated…

After watching the online movies, nobody thought climate change was scarier, nobody want to change anything they did, and no one wanted to be climate activist either, unless they were already one to start with. After 30 years of propaganda, people have heard it all. Pounding them them with more isn’t going to work.

It didn’t matter which movie they saw. 

Climate communication. Research. Graph. Hope and Doom debate.

Neither doom, hope nor placebo did a thing.

The multi-billion dollar industry of climate propaganda was hoping to tweak their advertising and find the right point on the Dial of Fear. Instead they showed it’s all a waste of money. Just like research like this.

If they had shown something new, like, say, a skeptical video that the audience had never seen, that would have shifted perceptions, risks, and activism. (Remember when a one hour debate with Christopher Monckton shifted fully 9% of the audience?) 

There’s a lot of upside there to Red-Pill people with a story that many haven’t heard. Which is exactly why climate believers have to turn up the censorship screws. So get out there, share the message. 

This paper was submitted last April, but not accepted for eight months. It must have been hard to figure out how to spin those dismal results:

Do we need more scary climate change articles? Maybe

Kate Yoder on Grist

Ettinger’s new research, published in the journal Climatic Change, suggests that the whole “hope vs. fear” argument might be overblown. For the experiment, 500 Americans were shown different videos meant to evoke either hopeful or fearful reactions to climate change. (One group got a message along the lines of “Humanity can stop climate change and create a better world for all!”; the others heard, “Unless we take major action, humanity is doomed.”) While both videos evoked the intended emotions, in the end, neither one altered people’s willingness to change their behavior or participate in climate activism.

REFERENCE

Ettinger et al (2021) Climate of hope or doom and gloom? Testing the climate change hope vs. fear communications debate through online videos. Climatic Change (2021) 164: 19 https://doi.org/10.1007/s10584-021-02975-8

 

 

 

 

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168 comments to Climate Propaganda burns out: neither hope nor doom works on audiences anymore

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    Oh, that sucks.
    They ran out of bulls***.

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    That’s okay, President Trump has a “GREAT AWAKENING” coming very soon which should be very interesting.
    Our politicians will absolutely hate it.

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    Leonard

    Climate change is part of the New, Global Long March to Communism and one world government. It is good to know that many people are onto the scam. Now if we could find truthful news and social media in all the countries, perhaps we could stop this New Long March to Communism and one world government.
    This is indeed good news.
    Thank you Joanne Nova.

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    Pauly

    At least the ongoing failures of the “green energy transition” are starting to accumulate. Billions spent around the world to make our energy grids less reliable and even fail just when we need them the most, in periods of extreme, but frequently occurring, weather. The common person is starting to learn the consequences of ideological driven energy programs. When they realise that these programs have been entirely funded by taxpayer revenue, and are simply incapable of economic survival without ongoing streams of more taxpayer revenue, even as electricity prices dramatically increase, they might start looking for representatives who offer alternative policies.

    The trouble is that politicians, being basically ignorant of all things STEM, won’t change their behaviour until that groundswell marches to their doors in protest. And conservatives rarely express their displeasure with mass movements.

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      Matthew

      The climate clowns have got a very big problem arriving soon, it will be the collision between the desire to build more and more unreliables and the imminent arrival of millions of EV’s, a match made in heaven.

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        Dennis

        No problem with EV transition, just do what Germany and other nations are doing and restrict recharging times, limit the hours permitted each day to support unreliable energy businesses.

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        Deano

        Congestion taxes will hide that inconvenient fact.

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          Russ Wood

          Have any of the ‘congestion charge’ zealots considered that combining this with the general unpleasantness of big city public transport during the “rush hour” might well result in people being unwilling to accept jobs in the Big City. Then the beeeeg office blocks close down since the company either migrated to ruralshire, decentralised, or even went to ‘remote working’. Then just what happens to the city’s tax take? In Johannesburg, this is already happening in the new, shiny office blocks of Sandton – some of which are only 10% occupied. (OK – this is part of the “virus lockdown” effect – but could be permanent if city managers don’t wake up!

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      Matthew

      Eco Woke journalist, “We are losing the climate debate”… great, the best news I have heard for years.

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      Lawrie

      Tanya Plibersek tried to convince Alan Jones tonight that the cheapest energy was rooftop solar. Last quarter I produced roughly the same amount of power as I used. Due to my usage not necessarily coinciding with my production my bill was $437 after my export rebate. In 2006, before the madness really kicked in my bill would have been about $300 using good old Liddell which we could see from our farm. (for the house alone)

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    tom0mason

    People are not paying attention.
    Even as winters are getting incrementally cooler over the last 5 years (especially in the Northern hemisphere), they don’t seem to get the message that it’s all about the rapid 1°C in 150 year rise in global temperature that is going to kill everything. Nature can not keep up with this rate of change!
    So, the CO2 rise must be causing colder winters and climate science must clarify this by publishing more imaginative research papers as we move to an even more extreme climate crisis.

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      Analitik

      That’s the thing – the greentards have been crying wolf for so long that the public has finally noticed the utter failure of their predictions and the ever pushed out timelines. Add the rising energy costs as “cheaper” renewabubble generation has become more widespread and the lies are becoming unsupportable.

      The only thing the greentards can do is try upping the ante with even wilder claims of upcoming catastrophe but it’s gotten so hyperbolic that the general public aren’t accepting the memes anymore. Polar bears keep increasing numbers, we’ve had the coolest summer for over a decade while the northern hemisphere has frozen, the Maldives are still above water and the Great Barrier Reef refuses to die.

      As with renewabubbles, failure to deliver undermines CAGW

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        williamx

        Ideology not fact.

        Is the problem my friend.

        I was taught to believe in Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The tooth fairy and If I don’t eat carrots, I will go blind.
        It wasn’t until I questioned and thought for myself that I realised that it was all bunkum.

        This is the problem.
        Not too many, today, think or question. They just wait to be told by someone in power or authority.

        If they cannot think for themselves. They become a slave to what they are told.

        Ahhh Analitik… What have we become?

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    RicDre

    Google Fires Ethics Heads for Questioning the Global Warming Impact of AI

    Guest essay by Eric Worrall

    When the woke outwoke the woke. Back in December, Google fired AI Ethics Unit co-leader Timnit Gebru, in relation to her paper “On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots: Can Language Models Be Too Big?”. Google have now just fired their other ethics head, Margaret Mitchell, apparently for trying to gather evidence while investigating the ousting of Timnit.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/02/23/google-fires-ethics-heads-for-questioning-the-global-warming-impact-of-ai/

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    Gerry

    Well must be time for legislation then. ThE Democrats and the NSW Libs/Greens will sort that out ….they know what we really want ….when we say no they know we really mean yes.

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      Sceptical Sam

      Whereas writing in a style that resonates with normal people in the community is something that academics are extremely poor at.

      Simplify it or it’ll not be read and certainly not understood.

      That’s why the print media write for reading age of 12 years.

      Sheez.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    500 Americans – three is your problem.

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      R.B.

      Those Americans who needed someone to deliver them a ballot that they didn’t know how to ask for, show them how to vote for Biden, then deliver them to be counted?

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        Peter Fitzroy

        Those Americans who have killed half a million of their fellow citizens, those americans who support the storming of the capitol, killing 5, those americans who have the most expensive health care in the world, those americans who support the largest financial inequality in the world, yep those americans

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          RooDog

          “Those Americans who have killed half a million of their fellow citizens”

          Oh you mean those Americans who denied the efficacy of “hydroxychloroquine plus zinc”, and blocked it’s use?

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          Sceptical Sam

          No Peter. Not those ones.

          The ones you need to refer to are the ones who riot and burn down businesses and buildings in the name of who knows what – and especially in those cities governed by left-wing administrations. BLM. Antifa. All woke wackers who are the political terrorist arm of the left-wing of American politics. Those BLM and Antifa terrorists who shoot whoever they choose – generally Afro-Americans.

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          Analitik

          killed half a million of their fellow citizens

          My my, the rhetoric is becoming hysterical along with the CAGW predictions.
          You are a case in point, Peter Fitzroy

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          R.B.

          Name one American who did that.

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    David Wojick

    These videos would not cause change if the viewers had already heard the messages. Maybe they all had. Maybe everyone has so all positions are fixed in place.

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      graham dunton

      Yes David,
      Useless research, both scenarios are feeding the indoctrinated, (“Humanity can stop climate change “) – (Unless we take major action, humanity is doomed.”)
      Both presume humanity does have control?

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    Hysteria is exhausting.
    Running around in circles,freaking and peaking burns a whole bunch of energy.
    Why it is “unsustainable”.
    And after 4 decades of Doom Doom Doom,the normal reaction is “Enough Already”,as in here is a plastic bag to use as a mask from the Dread Covid.
    Taped tightly around the throat it will solve all your fear and hysteria..no matter what the hobgoblin of your choice is.

    The triggers for fear and loathing are limited.
    Those gullibles who infest the Cult of Calamitous Climate are having more real concerns rammed down their throats.
    As they are beginning to assimilate just how much their own governments loath them.
    The silver lining of this Dread Covid fiasco is even the most disinterested citizens are alerting to how dishonest and corrupt our parasitic overload has become.
    Lies matter when they imprison you and lock you down over a “danger” that time has revealed as toothless.

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    OriginalSteve

    People have switched off, which is why the globalists now want to shove everyone face first into the climate guano by threatening “climate lockdowns”.

    The whole climate clown routine was never about climate…its always been about power and theft of property.

    The globalists appear to just be common thieves….

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      Sirob

      The whole climate clown routine was never about climate…its always been about power and theft of property.

      The globalists appear to just be common thieves….

      Common thieves with lots of megalomania.

      It’s a pity most didn’t “follow the money” right from the beginning. This conclusion could have been reached decades ago.

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        OrignalSteve

        That and an unhealthy dose of Satanism.

        Its interesting – from my own Christian perspective, as we watch the actions of the most active arm of the N W O currently, the CCP on one hand says it athiest, but if you boil its extreme cruelty down, they do appear to have a religion, which is Satanism.

        There are always piles of useful idiots, the Devil has offered the unhinged and given them power. The Bible says God owns the planet but the Devil runs it. Ergo, as God allows things to occur, we can assume the bulk of the wierd and just plain nasty stuff is demonic in origin. Now while this might be a bridge too far for some people, from a Biblical persepctive, its perfectly understandbale. There was one incident that a man was chained to rocks near Galilee who was possessed by multiple demons. The other critical point is this – demons cant take over someunless they are invited to – ergo, what youre seeing now inb the same madness that took over the world leading up to WW2 is now manifesting itself again.

        The new “saviour” of the world ( the UN ) was created by the same Elite bloodline families people now running amok drunk with power and making everyone miserable through the current medical dictatorship.

        The good news is that Christians expect the return of Christ soon, but it will get much much worse before it gets better….

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          Sceptical Sam

          Elite bloodline families

          Really?

          Name them.

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          Kalm Keith

          Steve,
          If Christ is coming back I hope that his first stop would be at the United Bloody Nations building in New York.

          It would be great to see him overturn all the money changers tables in that building.

          KK

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    TdeF

    Global warming is dead. Long live Climate Change. Imagine trying to sell a Global Warming message in America right now.

    Or Melbourne, Victoria. Another midsummer week of 21C. Hardly a day over 30C this year.

    And where are those Global Warming Climate Change bushfires this year? And those tropical storms? Those predictions of more hot and dry and business as usual at the BOM predicting doom and gloom. Gloom indeed.

    The place is wet and green and feels like mid winter instead of mid summer. Ah, Climate Change. It’s getting cooler and we haven’t had a summer in a decade. Those windmills must be working, the modern version of the Easter Island statues. And at the same cost. At least future archaeologists will marvel at what strange beliefs required them to be built in a cooling world.

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      el gordo

      The BoM were forecasting coral bleaching on the GBR for this summer, but it never happened because it takes a strong El Nino. So they need to put a sock in it, otherwise the electorate might think the organisation is making stuff up and demand an Audit.

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        TdeF

        You would think that their supercomputers and infallible models could predict El Nino and La Nia and the Indian dipole and all the major ocean heat engines, but they cannot. So it’s their eternal excuse.

        Lucky. Blaming wrong predictions on something they admit they cannot predict. So what good is a global climate model if it cannot predict the biggest events. And they ask us to believe that they can predict decades ahead because only CO2 matters in climate? And that CO2 levels are exclusively man made? And that a 50% growth in CO2 has a noticeable effect? Where?

        And where is the expected dramatic drop in CO2 growth in the last Wu Flu year? I can safely predict that grounding all the world’s aircraft , stopping all car traffic in major cities was not even noticeable in the CO2 chart, any more than giant bushfires and volcanoes. Because CO2 is in equilibrium with the vast oceans and our human related output is tiny compared to the massive continuous exchange with the oceans. So why punish and tax the aircraft and cars? In this massive world wide practical experiment, cars and aircraft do not affect CO2 levels. Proven.

        And CO2 keeps going up steadily but temperature pauses, so that is busted too.

        So Jim Hansen and Al Gore made it all up. Burning all fossil fuels “would make most of the planet uninhabitable by humans.” And that was 33 years ago. It seems quite habitable, but now we are told that 2050 is coming and we must get rid of those cars and aircraft and fossil fuels or it’s only another 29 years for the end of the planet. And Jim Hansen will be 109.

        From Melbourne (37 South) to Houston (30 North), we do miss that global warming we were promised.

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          TdeF

          As I have pointed out before, 99.7% of the earth surface heat is stored in the oceans. If computer models cannot predict the movement of this heat, they are useless for predicting anything long term.

          The oceans have an average depth of 3.4km and it’s 1 atmosphere per 10 metres, so the oceans weigh 340x as much as the air. And water has 4x the heat capacity of air, so it’s 1400 to 1 in heat storage, 99.7:1. And the oceans contain almost all free CO2, 50:1 or 98%.

          So the long term computer climate models should be of the sun, the source of heat and the oceans the store of heat, not the air. All weather is water and heat based, but they model the air because that is what they see. Effects not causes. Can anyone see a problem with this?

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          Matthew

          The climate clowns predicted 50 million climate refugees by 2010, since that prediction has failed miserably, they have moved it up to 2020, that also looks a bit dodgy.

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            Dennis

            The famous Sydney Opera House was predicted to be underwater by Year 2000 (Sydney Olympic Games year) and is still high and dry in 2021.

            These blatant lies by Church of Climate Change disciples, well actually new world order globalist socialist soldiers, should be published regularly and the informants named and shamed.

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          el gordo

          BoM thinks its going to be a warm autumn, anybody like to offer an alternative?

          ‘Maximum temperatures for autumn are likely to be above average for the west, north and south-east coasts, and Tasmania; and likely to be below average for parts of inland eastern Australia.

          ‘Minimum temperatures for autumn are likely to be above average across most of Australia.’

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            ando

            The opposite of what BOM predicts is generally quite accurate, especially their rainfall outlook.
            We could save a hell of a lot of money by getting that octopus that predicts the soccer world cup winner to do BOMs guesswork instead…Pure chance would produce better results than globull warming tainted predictions of BOM.

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              Dennis

              Bureau of Meteorology, funded by taxpayers as a service for the people, managed by government elected to look after the best interest of the people, but politicians elected to form governments ignore evidence submitted revealing BoM deceptive behaviour and accounting for a warming trend.

              It is a disgraceful situation, Prime Minister Abbott and a minority of his Cabinet Ministers wanted an independent audit conducted (due diligence) at the BoM but the proposal was voted against by the majority in Cabinet, including Turnbull Government in waiting.

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            GD

            BoM thinks it’s going to be a warm autumn

            For once I hope they are right. In Victoria, we have not had a summer as such.

            Most days of Summer have been below 25c. Only a few have been over 30c. Add to that lots of overcast days.

            It’s another reason to leave Victoria, the other one being Dan Andrews and his handling of the faux pandemic that has destroyed so many small businesses along with the mental health of locked down people and especially locked down children.

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      The social media are still suppressing the truth. Here in Lakes Entrance 12 out of the past 14 months have been around 2C below average according to Elders Weather site. I tried three times to post this information on a local Facebook Group and it was rejected without explanation each time.

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      Annie

      My OH lit the woodstove this morning!

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      Dennis

      Television news weather reports have stopped claiming hottest ever.

      lol

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    GlenM

    For avid acolytes of the ABC this is a groundbreaking study. Where would we be without such illuminating insights.

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    Travis T. Jones

    David Attenborough is back on tv spouting his failed doomsday global warming malarky over and over again.

    Go away already!

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      Klem

      He’s not going away anytime soon, he makes way too much money doing these documentaries. The BBC will pay him whatever he wants, it’s taxpayer money after all, theres an unlimited supply.

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      Matthew

      Proves the old adage, “There’s no fool like an old fool”.

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    el gordo

    When confronted by Covid, a real and present danger, concerns of climate change seem so far away.

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      Dennis

      But consider “Great Reset”, and “build back better” from COVID economic decline, “new green deal” globalism socialism agenda.

      They are only trying the help you know.

      sarc

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    Penguinite

    I have just heard the remnants of a speech by David Attenborough (OM GCMG CH CVO CBE FRS FRSB FRSA FLS FZS FSA FRSGS) a 94-year-old man of Letters but what do they all mean?) He was droning-on about the end of the World and how it’s too late for humans to have any effect on the ultimate, fatal, result. This man, who not that long ago, was guilty of promoting a 2017 Netflix film depicting walruses committing suicide by leaping over a cliff due to climate change. This was a hoax! Turns out the poor animals simply got lost while foraging for food. This just about sums-up the Climate Change disaster merchants. If you can’t prove it, fake it!

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      TdeF

      They were herded off the cliff by polar bears in a pack. Standard hunting practice but who cares why? It makes great TV. Nothing new in the fake film business. Like Walt Disney’s famous lemmings filmed on a downtown river edge which was supposed to be a cliff on an endless arctic ocean. All fake naturalism. Those poor lemmings.

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        Klem

        Exactly, like CNN acting like Biden is cognizant of what’s going on around him. Nothing new in the fake tim business.

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        TdeF

        For those interested, the fake lemming mass suicide was in the Disney Film White Wilderness, filmed in landlocked Alberta. You can see the mass suicide here. Those poor lemmings! Tossed down the cliff and into the water by film makers in Alberta. And you have to admire the ocean views. In Alberta.

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      Analitik

      Tim Flannery was on TV the other night doing a koala extinction program. At lest extinct marsupials are somewhat near his area of expertise.

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    PeterS

    Does anyone seriously believe they care? They don’t need us to agree with their agenda. The Great Reset(s) will force upon us all the changes they like to make. It can only be stopped if voters wake up and stop voting for any party that promotes the climate change/emissions reduction scam. In Australia that means stop voting for LNP and ALP+Greens. Otherwise, we the people will be endorsing their destructive policies on energy. We the people have the power to stop all this nonsense dead in its tracks by protesting peacefully in the streets en mass and voicing our concerns at the state and federal elections. We just need to exercise that power but sadly it looks like we won’t until it’s too late.

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      el gordo

      There won’t be any mass protests because we don’t have the power to stop the juggernaut. Ultimately the new temperature hiatus should set off alarm bells around the world and climate change will be taken off the political agenda within five years.

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        PeterS

        Not logically correct. We do have the power but for a variety of reasons we refuse to exercise that power en mass.

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          el gordo

          Conservatives don’t march, it would be unseemly. All we need do is topple the Trots in the ABC newsroom and frog march them out the door.

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            PeterS. Groupthinkers do care. They need to know the group agrees. But your point is real. Now that they have tried all forms of persuasion, and also all forms of legal coercion, and failed, the only things left are Cancel culture, harrasment, demonisation. The gulags will follow if we don’t stop this slide.

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            PeterS

            Correct, conservatives don’t care. Conservatives by their very nature don’t want to change things much. Conservatives are not on our side. Craig Kelly is proof of that as he gave up on them for not listening to his support for coal.

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    robert rosicka

    With the CSIRO and BOM calling this year as the start of the end of snow in Australia it’s going to be interesting to see how the prediction pans out for them , bearing in mind it has been a cooler summer everywhere but in BOM’s books.

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      Dennis

      Don’t you worry about that, BoM woke creative accountants are cooking the books again to recover the warming.

      lol

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      Richard Jenkins

      Robert,
      The earlier predictions were no snow next centuary, after 1999.
      Hansen said no Arctic ice after 1999. That was to the congress in 1988.
      A 12 year prediction. It is 33 years ago.
      How wrong do you have to be to lose credibility?

      I use it frequently and the gullible thank me for opening their eyes.

      It is like the kid with kittens when Shorten walked past. Bill asked him about his kittens and the boy said that they were going to vote ALP.
      Three weeks later he walked past with Plibersik and asked the question again to impress Tania.
      The boy answered they’ll vote Liberal. Their eyes are open now.

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        el gordo

        ‘A 12 year prediction. It is 33 years ago.’

        A thirty year span is known as climate, so those predictions have been falsified.

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    Binny Pegler

    Yep the only option left is to ‘Reinforce’ democracy

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    RickWill

    The study really shows that the propaganda machine is doing its work. 60% of participants are alarmed or concerned about Climate Change. That is not a bad number for the believers. A trivial 14% is doubtful or dismissive. Then there are a few agnostics.

    I cannot fathom the meaning of the scale on the chart “Mean” mean of what?

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    David Maddison

    The study was invalid because the proposition that anthropogenic climate change exists is false.

    If they had shown the videos to science rationalists such as most of us who see no evidence for anthropogenic climate change we would be noticeably distressed by seeing the enormously destructive, dangerous and deadly lie repeated yet again.

    Anyway, the Left have new SCARY STORIES to move on to now such as COVID which are more effective at economic destruction than anthropogenic climate change ever was.

    And the coup in the United States is genuinely scary.

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      you didn’t read the study did you?

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      Dennis

      Long forgotten is the maths based research of Christopher Monckton before the UN IPCC Copenhagen Conference, reviewed by scientists and endorsed the research papers revealed the creatively accounted for warming trend that the IPCC were using to push their climate hoax.

      Monckton was banned from attending or speaking at IPCC conferences.

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        Sceptical Sam

        Does that make him the first to be cancelled.

        Or is that still Galileo?

        Perhaps just: same process; different church?

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      Dennis

      And now the Court refuses to allow a hearing to consider the election results and alleged voting irregularities.

      That is scary.

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    Ian Hill

    Last year my local council, Mitcham, proudly declared that it is “climate ready” and in this month’s newsletter boasts that its contribution to dealing with the “climate emergency” is to “upgrade” footpaths with permeable paving 70% of the time to reduce stormwater runoff. Other initiatives are to change nearly 2000 lightbulbs in two council properties, pave one road with recycled plastic bottles (an Earth Day project) and to harvest rainwater with “TreeNets”.

    Current Mayor, Dr Heather Holmes-Ross, got elected on promises which included a 100% coverage of residential dwellings with rooftop solar panels. Apart from the prohibitive cost this is obviously impossible to achieve and I haven’t heard a word about it since!

    Another councillor talks about batteries and electric car charging points and the others vaguely touch on it by talking “green” somewhere in their report.

    All politically correct and they have been seen to be doing the “right thing”.

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      Annie

      Harvesting rainwater with tree nets?! Did they note the recent strong winds and torrential rain? How long would such things last?! I remember a heavy hailstorm in Mitcham some years back; that would be handy; it wrecked our apricot crop.
      Build more proper dams in Victoria.

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      looked this up. No tree nets but treenet (https://treenet.org/) which is providing inlets. No net covered trees I’m glad to say.

      Also what is wrong with reducing landfill by making urban structures? Why is that woke?

      What is wrong with getting more water into the soil where it falls instead of sending torrents of garbage filled water into out freshwater systems? The porous idea has been around for a long time, has been well researched and looks to have multiple benefits. Hardly a mad green idea.

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    Earl

    Why is it, that people who adopt philosophies and life styles that make them miserable, seek to impose that misery on everyone?

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    Anne Simon

    Many people would welcome a climate catastrophe is it gave us back our freedom.

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    david

    Whether you like Craig Kelly or not, the point is facts don’t always matter to political parties. Freedom of speech and therefore growth of knowledge is being denied.

    Most COVID (deaths) and climate change predictions have failed. As they say, it’s difficult to make predictions, especially about the future!

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    Simon B

    Who would’ve thought people become immune to rhetoric!

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    OldOzzie

    China emits more carbon dioxide than Australia does in a whole year

    Every 16 days China emits more carbon than Australia does in an entire year, according to new research released today by free market think tank the Institute of Public Affairs. This means the annual effect on global emissions from Australia mandating a net zero emissions target would be cancelled out by China in just over two weeks.

    “The complete de-industrialisation of Australia would have no discernible impact on global emissions but would inflict significant and irreparable economic and social damage,” said Cian Hussey, Research Fellow at the IPA.

    The analysis identified that Australia’s carbon emissions per capita have declined by 15.4% since 2004, while China’s emissions per capita over the same period have increased by 83.5%.

    China is responsible for 63.3% of the increase in global carbon emissions since 2004, while Australia is responsible for just 0.35% of the increase.

    In absolute terms, China’s annual emissions have increased by over 5 billion tonnes since 2004, while Australia’s annual emissions have increased by only 27.4 million tonnes.

    “It is reckless and futile for the political class to impose on Australians further severe cuts to emissions which costs jobs and livelihoods, while China – the world’s largest emitter– continues to rapidly increase its emissions without consequence,” said Mr Hussey.

    “Calls for Australia to adopt a net zero emissions target ignore the significant economic, social, and humanitarian costs which would inevitably be the result of such a target,” said Mr Hussey.

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      TdeF

      Yes, it is absurd. And a per capita increase of 83.5% when on an absolute basis with 64x the population in China is a 5,344% in total CO2 emissions against a 15.4% drop in Australia. The People Against Australia cunningly argue that Australians are the greatest per capita polluters in the world. It’s the old guilt argument, which seems to work on Christians and not anyone else.

      And no one points out that we are part of the only 2% of humanity living below the tropic of Capricorn and that 98% of the fossil fuel CO2 comes from elsewhere on the planet. So why are we paying carbon taxes?

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    Ruairi

    Chicken Little’s nut on the head,
    Caused hysterical feelings of dread,
    That the world would soon end,
    As alarmists portend,
    Being gullible, rash and misled.

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    I think it is good to get publications like this out there as it gives evidence to what we all suspect is true – that people have seen the evidence presented in many forms for almost 2 decades now. Why would anyone think that presenting it all over again is going to do anything other than annoy people. I also like the detail the authors presented which should be useful to actual media production people.

    Going forward, I’d suggest, the only way for people changing their opinions is if something new is discovered or something develops that can’t be reconciled with the individual’s current opinion.

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      Wet Mountains

      People could begin to use logic and think for themselves.

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        People like you and I think that we do. You’d be popular at parties.

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          Kalm Keith

          You’re not too bad yourself after that Auric Goldfinger joke a few threads back. 🙂

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          robert rosicka

          Actually Gee Aye where is the logic in that an alkaline sea can be becoming more acidic with a ph of 8.1 ?
          Where is the logic that the pacific islands are all sinking because of the rising seas ?
          And where is the logic that science can be proven by agreement rather than evidence using the scientific method?

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            You are confusing semantics with logic.

            pH can go up or down no matter how you label it.

            As for your other comments – do you really want a debate on those find yourself a friendly university then go here http://apps.webofknowledge.com and enter your keywords. My refutation is in the publications you’ll read.

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              robert rosicka

              “No matter how I label it” ? – Oh yeah that’s right it’s really me that has convinced the gullible that alkaline is really becoming more acidic .
              I guess it was me too that dug up coral to make air fields during world war 2 from the wrong side of the islands .
              And by the way nice deflection as always .

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                What deflection? You are stating that lower pH in oceans is wrong because someone somewhere called it acidification. It is moot and tedious.

                And no, I am not going to repeat interminable points and counter points and be scoffed at and name called. If you have something new then out with it. What is new?

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                robert rosicka

                Just more deflection but I suppose it’s to be expected and not surprising after all it’s what you’re told to do .

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                So nothing new? You were just asking me to waste my time going over stuff we’ve done before. It looks like you did this just so you could claim deflection knowing that your request was ott.

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      el gordo

      ‘ … something develops that can’t be reconciled with the individual’s current opinion.’

      Agreed, the neo hiatus in world temperature should put a damper on the zealots and falsify AGW. We still need the MSM to explain that climate change is cyclic and not linear.

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        In the last La Nina you were puzzled that global temperatures continued to rise and in this one when they are flat you think it is a falsification. Seems to me that La nina is a fickle woman.

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          Annie

          A woman’s prerogative, n’est ce pas?

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          Frost Giant Rebellion

          Temperatures are Flat? Gee surely you jest.

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          el gordo

          ‘Seems to me that La nina is a fickle woman.’

          There are strong and weak La Nina, this is the latter, but I don’t expect temperatures to rise in the coming five years as the PDO returns to negative.

          ENSO is the temperature control knob over short duration, but the PDO should dictate the course ahead, which for the sake of argument means an absence of El Nino.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        neo hiatus? link?

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          el gordo

          * chuckle *

          No link sir, I’m using my intuitive intellect, but Lord Monckton says we are already a few years into it.

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    Old Goat

    You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but hopefully not all of the people all of the time . Reality has become a casualty of the media control of many peoples lives . Look around you – how many people do you see with their heads buried in their phones every spare moment ? How many people would go crazy if they were cut off from the media ? I can remember what it was like before the internet and it was not that bad…but we had to think for ourselves then.

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    Jo
    The solar astronomers are, as you know, predicting a Solar Minimum over the next 50 years. The reaction to this will be telling.

    The BOM will ramp up its homogenisation and “adjustment” programs but in the end it will become pretty obvious that it is cooling, or at the very least not in any way warming.

    As we know renewables are a complete failure and combine more disruptions like Texas except of a far more serious nature and there will indeed be a pushback. Reaction against Covid dictates was damped down because of Jobkeeper and Jobseeker – in this case there will be no compensation for huge business disruptions and the job losses will be substantial.

    Scomo can rabbit on all he likes about net zero but that will not change the climate one iota and I think that will become obvious to all in the next decade or so.

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      Dennis

      It is important to consider how politics works and that perceptions are very important.

      The PM has made it very clear that the government would never accept taxes to achieve a net zero emissions result, and would only consider advances in technology to achieve it if possible, while focusing on building the economy.

      The government he leads had a slim majority and is now in an even more vulnerable position with the resignation of Craig Kelly MP.

      Most often governments in Australia take office with a small majority so close to fifty per cent of voters support the government, and as many do not. Voters are our own worst enemies when we allow politicians to dictate. In other words to allow climate change hoax to become a political issue and points of argument. Of course the majority left leaning media pack are influential in spreading propaganda and too many voters are easily persuaded, they can even be convinced that there is renewable energy.

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      Ross

      The problem is the amount of damage they will set in motion over the next decade will subsequently take further decades to recover from. The waste of resources is truly negligence on a grand scale.

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    Dennis

    Children were told the story about The Little Boy Who Cried Wolf (too often and when a Wolf appeared the people ignored the little boy and the threat).

    I know many people who switch off mentally as soon as the television news weather person begins …. hottest ever day, month, year.

    People in advertising or used to dealing with advertising executives understand that audiences can be influenced by advertising but repetitive advertisements soon fail to impact on most of the target audience.

    My son is a builder and laughs at friends who mention the heat in summer, he tells them to spend more time outdoors away from air conditioning.

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    I read the study about climate change propaganda.

    The climate change “debate” is not really a debate, because people on one side ask questions, but people on the other side refuse to debate.

    Ask too many questions and you are ridiculed and character attacked as a “science denier”.

    On one side are people who know little about climate science, but don’t realize how little they know. These coming climate crisis promoters write articles, make speeches, and make videos, to sell their climate fantasy.

    They are selling their climate fantasy to regular people who also know little about climate science, so most of them just accept what “the experts” claim.

    The so called climate “experts” completely ignore the fact that everyone on our planet has lived with global warming for the past 45 years, and it has been harmless.

    Pleasant, actually.

    Their only interest is scary predictions of the next 45 years of global warming, which they claim will be completely different — horrible.

    Unfortunately, too many people believe the scary predictions.

    A small minority don’t believe the “experts”, and no additional propaganda will change their minds.

    Unfortunately, their opinions are almost always based on instincts, rather than knowledge of climate science.

    Former president Trump was one of them.

    Instincts such as not trusting “experts”, or not trusting government scientists, or not trusting anything leftists believe in.

    I would like to see more people considering their own experience with global warming — all of their lives, for people under 45 years old.

    The question is who to believe — Your own experience with global warming, which was pleasant, or predictions of future global warming … that is completely different — a “climate crisis”.

    It’s sad how many people are willing to ignore their own experience with 45 years of actual global warming, the whole time listening to climate predictions of doom … which have obviously been wrong for the past 45 years!

    After 45 years of hearing wrong predictions of a coming climate crisis … they still believe predictions of a coming climate crisis, because the propaganda works.

    The “coming climate crisis” is always 10 years in the future … and will always be 10 years in the future.

    Because the coming climate crisis is not real — it is just a figment of over-active leftist imaginations — their ‘CO2 is the devil in the sky’ fairy tale.

    Their ‘do what we say, or the climate boogeyman will get you’ strategy is used to ramp up their political power.

    And that strategy works, so it will continue.

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    another ian

    “Tweet of the night courtesy of ZUBY…

    **I honestly believe that if the media and ‘experts’ said that blue masks don’t work, but yellow masks do, then a significant % of the population would switch colours tomorrow…
    And proceed to call anyone who questions it a ‘science denier’ or ‘conspiracy theorist’.**

    https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1364323010740641795 :

    Via http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/02/24/february-24-2021-reader-tips/#comment-1414234

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    Philip

    But it doesn’t matter. It does influence the politicians and co, and they have the power. Australia has voted against climate change several times now but all politicians are into lowering emissions and going green, all of them. Even Latham wants nuclear because coal bad.

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    another ian

    O/T apart from the propaganda

    “Go woke. Go broke. Post Alan Jones – 2GB, 3AW, 4BC profit down. Down 62%. That number again, 62%.”

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/02/go-woke-go-broke-post-alan-jones-2gb-3aw-4bc-profit-down-down-62-that-number-again-62.html

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    another ian

    “The True Nolan says:
    23 February 2021 at 10:14 pm

    “@Ossqss: “I observed, while at a crowded restaurant yesterday, the 1′ plexiglass dividers ”
    WHAT?!! Only one inch thick?! No way — we need to install plexiglass AT LEAST 3 inches thick!”

    LOL! 5 inches of Plexiglas would be better and 10″ better yet. Give it a year or two and the mandate will be for three yards of Plexiglas between booths… but only a foot above head height. I can see it now. Restaurant owners will soon be required to just install Plexiglas wall to wall and then patrons can sit wherever they… oopsie! No seating at that point.

    Diners will learn to hang from the ceiling like bats and do the best they can. I can see sandwiches increasing in popularity and soup sales declining. 😜

    That Kung Flu virus is almost as amazing as CO2. I mean, what other virus lays low until 10:00 pm on the dot and then comes out to claim its victims? And just how does that little Chinese virus know not to attack people in grocery stores or big box stores, but jump all over people in baseball card or jewelry stores? What?!? Do canned vegetables offer immunity from the virus?”

    The True Nolan says:
    23 February 2021 at 10:14 pm

    “@Ossqss: “I observed, while at a crowded restaurant yesterday, the 1′ plexiglass dividers ”
    WHAT?!! Only one inch thick?! No way — we need to install plexiglass AT LEAST 3 inches thick!”

    LOL! 5 inches of Plexiglas would be better and 10″ better yet. Give it a year or two and the mandate will be for three yards of Plexiglas between booths… but only a foot above head height. I can see it now. Restaurant owners will soon be required to just install Plexiglas wall to wall and then patrons can sit wherever they… oopsie! No seating at that point.

    Diners will learn to hang from the ceiling like bats and do the best they can. I can see sandwiches increasing in popularity and soup sales declining. 😜

    That Kung Flu virus is almost as amazing as CO2. I mean, what other virus lays low until 10:00 pm on the dot and then comes out to claim its victims? And just how does that little Chinese virus know not to attack people in grocery stores or big box stores, but jump all over people in baseball card or jewelry stores? What?!? Do canned vegetables offer immunity from the virus?

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    Zigmaster

    Unfortunately the Jo Average public is not who needs to be convinced. It’s the leaders that have to realise that no one cares less. It’s clear to me that most government for whatever devious reason want to ram through the Climate policies no matter what the public think.

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    neil

    How many different ways can you cry wolf?

    Global warming, man made global warming, climate change, Anthropogenic climate change, global extinction, global dying. We have only a decade to act, we must act now, this decade/year/today is the point of no return. Global extinction in 12 years, but that was two years ago and we don’t hear about it anymore.

    Each new description becomes more shrill, if you believe Tim Flannery Melbourne and Sydney ran out of water a decade ago, but the but the outcome is always the same, NOTHING HAPPENS.

    North America is experiencing it’s coldest winter in 40 years and the past three Melbourne summers are the coldest in my 60 year memory, this summer is 4 deg C below the long term average.

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    CHRIS

    Exactly neil. We all remember the doomsday prophecies of Tom Foolery and his ilk; ie: “no more water for Sydney…dams will dry up” ; “no more polar bears etc etc”. Just because we had one super El Nino in 1998, we get this garbage from the Church of Climatology. I’ll wait for another 5 years of data, but it looks like the Earth is in a VERY temporary temperature pause. I still think the long term trend is very slightly upwards (following the MWP), but eventually we will return to another Ice Age, no matter how much CO2 is released. My long-term fear is METHANE, not CO2.

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