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SUV’s rule: Everyone believes in Climate Change but votes for Gasoline

Transport accounts for 15% of human emissions of CO2, or practically nothing.

Despite the lip service everyone pays to “climate change” when Leonardo asks them to buy a smaller car, they nod and buy an SUV. They are voting with their wallets.

 

SUV growth, graph. 2020

SUV growth, graph. 2020

 

Rise of SUV’s Complicates efforts to rein in Auto Emissions

Scott Carpenter, Forbes

…SUVs are conquering the world. ….For the first time ever in the U.S. last year, sport-utility vehicles (SUVs) likely accounted for half or just over half of all vehicles sold, according to recent data from IHS Markit, a data and analytics firm. Others are rapidly catching up. Between 2010 and 2019, the share of SUVs in overall car sales in China jumped from 14% to 44%. In Europe the SUV share climbed from 10% to 36%.

Seas are rising, storms are coming, and heat waves are wiping out crops and ski seasons, but half of all new car buyers are buying SUV’s in the USA.

h/t GWPF

 

9.9 out of 10 based on 65 ratings

114 comments to SUV’s rule: Everyone believes in Climate Change but votes for Gasoline

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    David Wojick

    Some of this may be due to there being a lot of small SUVs. In the US the size of cars is rationed by the so-called fuel economy standards. More SUVs does not mean more big cars. Wish it did.

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      John F. Hultquist

      I was going to make the same point.

      I have seen articles (opinions) where the phrase “gas guzzling” is applied to all cars labeled SUV. This is in the same category as saying “damn yankee”.
      The Subaru Crosstrek is considered an SUV.
      The ‘S’ is for Sport,
      The ‘U’ is for Utility.
      My 2016 gets over 30 mpg, highway.
      The 2021 version is claimed to get 34.

      It has “all wheel drive” and does well on narrow mountain roads, mud, gravel, and snow. Oh, and cold, rain, and dark of night!

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      another ian

      I’d be curious as to whether pickups are included in that list?

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        another Ian, no they are not. Statistics show that in 2019 SUV in Australia were 45% of all vehicle sales which were a little over 1 million. The biggest selling vehicle was the Toyota Hilux with about 50,000 sales ( all Toyota sales about 220,000). The next largest selling brand was the Ford Ranger ( a similar ute to the Hilux and called a pick-up truck in US)with 40,000 sales. If you put Utes and SUV together they will be about 70% of sales. Vans, people movers and small buses (eg those that drop people at Clubs) are also not included.

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      Henning Nielsen

      Yes, I think that many of yesterday’s station wagons, (or estate cars, estate wagons), are now modified into SUVs.

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      MJB

      Agree completely David, and car rental companies certainly take advantage, charging premium SUV rates for a little box on wheels that won’t even hold 4 people and their luggage.

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    el gordo

    ‘Nationals MPs are set to reignite a climate row within the Coalition as the Morrison government pledges to work with Joe Biden to reduce emissions.’ Oz

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      Rupert Ashford

      Give em h3ll, Nationals, and PHON.

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        el gordo

        A split is coming up.

        ‘MPs who represent Liberal heartland electorates in Sydney and Melbourne have criticised their Coalition partners as divisions on climate re-emerge.’ Oz

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    David Maddison

    Arnold Schwarzenegger is a climate catastrophist and wants us to stop driving cars.

    Here is a list of 20 of his cars.

    It does not mention his Gulfstream III private jet.

    https://www.hotcars.com/real-life-terminator-arnold-schwarzeneggers-20-sickest-cars/

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      Curious George

      In the list there is one Tesla Roadster, one hydrogen-powered Hummer, and one custom Kreisel Electric G500.

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        Peter C

        Go Arnie!

        I passed over some of the woosie stuff. I was going to give my vote to the ‘Excalibur’, a retro 1930’s roadster based loosely on the Mercedes SSK Nazi staff car, until I got to the M47 Patton Tank!

        4 gallons of fuel to the mile. He probably can’t buy ammunition for the cannon but at least he can deal with anyone who parks in his parking spot.

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          Henning Nielsen

          It is very sad and disappointing to see that Arnie does not own a M1A2 Abrams tank. That’s the least one should expect. Throw in a F-35 plane as well, he needs to get around fast!

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            patrick healy

            Ah Stop knocking Arni.
            After all he has a lot of personal problems. What with Daddi being a member of Herr Hitler’s little club, him getting his start as a porn performer in the movies, being married to a Kennedy, and the biggest crime of all being a Demoncrat.
            Give him a break.

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      PeterS

      As usual Hollywood stars are all good at action in the virtual world but in the real world they are all talk and no action. Anyone listening to them for advice on serious matters needs medical help.

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    bobl

    It’s obvious isn’t it? to get a vehicle that can carry your building materials, sleep the kids in back on long trips and tow a 2T van or trailer or even taking a bale or two out to the livestock in the back paddock (10 km out back). Try doing any of those things with your bright shiny new EV. Vehicles are for carrying and towing things too. Try towing a 2T caravan up the great divide in an EV and see what your coal guzzling EV gets in mileage. Kg coal per 100km.

    As cars get smaller thinking people need to gravitate to the bigger cars to get “freight” handling.

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      Dennis

      Marketing people are masters of deception, I was amused to view a “road test” of a Toyota Land Cruiser SUV 4WD and a Tesla EV SUV towing the same model caravan.

      The route was from Penrith on the coastal plain west of Sydney and Bathurst on the western slopes of the Great Dividing Range. Why that test route? Because towing a 2 tonne caravan the EV loss of range was fifty per cent of charge, less the 10 per cent retained by the EV system to avoid flattening the batteries, so 60 per cent range loss from a full charge.

      But then consider that to recharge fully takes several hours on a fast charger, so the sales pitch always uses eighty per cent recharge or up to one hour. Potential buyers are supposed to ignore the problem of range limitation.

      The video road test crew were impressed with the EV SUV towing capability and rated it favourably against the Land Cruiser with the hill climbing involved. But the EV was more expensive than the already expensive Land Cruiser.

      Not for the average motorist and family budget.

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      Fuel Filter

      I bought a used BMW X-5 about 6 months ago…

      Base model. Turbo V-6. Horrible mileage in city driving. Like around 10-15 MPG.

      But freeways? Altogether different. 25-35 or more MPG. AND does it get up and GO when the pedal is to the metal! That turbo kicks in, bit-time. With no lag whatsoever!!

      Good storage in the rear. Especially when those seats are down. I love ❤️ it!

      Only regret? Wish I’d gone to a Beemer dealer and gotten a used M-Series…😡🤬…oh well…

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    Peter Fitzroy

    And 5% of the SUV sector is Hybrids, Plug in Hybrids, and All Electric according to the Bureau of transport statistics. And this on a slowly shrinking national fleet size. So the growth has not been as bad for the planet as you make out

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      Yarpos

      Yes, even if true, wow 5% thats really the main game isnt it.

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        Dennis

        Remove the “company cars”, employee benefit vehicles often leased for company and government fleets, and the number of EV all electric are few in number despite the Turnbull Government handing over $300 million of taxpayer’s monies gifted to leasing companies like Macquarie Bank Leasing ($100 million) to promote EV to fleet operators.

        A new EV company car driver reported disappointment in her Tesla S, a nice car but range and recharging became a source of anxiety, especially when she took a friend for a drive from Sydney to the Southern Highlands planning to recharge at Mittagong where the charging station was not operating. They cut the drive short and headed for home, the friend’s home which was closest, and made it, just made it and used the house 240 volt supply to charge the batteries sufficiently for the driver to return home.

        Obviously a retail price plus $150K on the road Tesla S has a reasonable theoretical range of about 500 Km but after deducting the ten per cent retention to stop full discharging of batteries that becomes 450 Km. Then the variable factors of energy usage like air conditioning/heating, number of people and luggage aboard, hills, highway speeds or more economical suburban speed limits, headwinds, etc., it is probably prudent to count on no more than 400 Km from a full charge, 300 Km from eighty per cent recharge.

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      OldOzzie

      Fron Thread Below

      OriginalSteve
      January 25, 2021 at 7:43 pm · Reply
      And…..chickens the size of psycho emus ( with roid rage thrown in..) coming home to roost like a dump truck through the ceiling at 3am….

      Germany is completely…. Merkelled…..

      https://notrickszone.com/2021/01/19/last-ditch-effort-germany-weighs-electricity-rationing-scheme-to-stabilize-its-now-shaky-green-power-grid/

      “Green energies destabilized the German power grid

      Cutting off e-vehicle battery chargers and industry

      To deal with the power grid instability problems, Germany’s Economics Minister Peter Altmaier presented a draft law that would allow electric utilities “to temporarily cut off the charging power for e-cars when there is once again too little electricity available”, an idea known as “peak smoothing”.

      “Shutdowns due to power shortages have been practiced for some time. Aluminum smelters, for example, have to put up with having their power cut off for limited periods of time,” reports Tichys Einblick. “These, like refrigerated storage facilities, consume great amounts. It’s a dangerous game because after three hours the molten metal has solidified and the factory is ruined.”

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      Graeme#4

      And the sales of EVs have risen less than one percent each year? So how many years will it take for their numbers to be significant?

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    John R Smith

    I suspect there is a corresponding rise in the value of beach front property.
    And private islands.

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      John R Smith

      Should clarify …
      there might be one private island that is going to be a little more difficult to sell.

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    RossP

    Slightly off topic but I read a bit about Biden cancelling the Keystone pipeline yesterday. All spun as “helping the climate” etc.
    The reality is Buffett, who has been a significant Democrat Party donor over the years, has significant stakes (if not full ownership) of the major rail company(s) on the west coast. Shipping oil from Canada to the refineries in the southern US is worth $2billion/year to him if he ships the lot. It costs 3 times more by rail, compared to the projected cost of using the pipeline.

    Of course his trains run on wind power and solar power./// sarc

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      Klem

      Acting on Klaus Schwabs directions, Biden also signed a Buy American order yesterday. So not only is he a socialist, he’s now a nationalist as well.

      So i guess he’s a national socialist.

      Now where have I heard that term before?

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    David Maddison

    It is part of the Leftist agenda to get rid of private motor vehicle ownership, except for the Elites.

    Oh, the Leftist Elites get to keep their private jets as well.

    There is an ongoing war against the motorist by the Left. SUV’s are just an easy target because they are claimed to be “unsustainable”. After they’ve got rid of SUV’s they’ll come for the next largest car, and so on.

    What does unsustainable mean anyway? If the owner of something can afford to pay to run it, then it’s sustainable.

    Unsustainable is a meaningless but emotive Leftist propaganda term.

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    el gordo

    Turncoat has an opinion.

    ‘The former PM has urged the Morrison government to seize on a new climate change agenda from US President Joe Biden to commit to net zero emissions by 2050.’ SMH

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      OldOzzie

      OriginalSteve
      January 25, 2021 at 7:35 pm · Reply
      It gets better….thus appears to be Newsoms Mea Culpa….

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/17/nolte-blackouts-force-newsom-to-admit-green-energy-falls-short/

      ““Newsom says the transition away from fossil fuels has left California with a gap in the reliability of its energy system. He says the state must examine its reliance on solar power and how that fits into its broader energy portfolio,” reports the San Francisco Chronicle’s Alexei Koseff.

      ““Today we are anticipating substantially greater need for energy,” Newsom said at a Monday press conference. Per Koseff, he added that this greater need is “about 4,400 megawatts short of what the state needs. That’s a ten times greater shortfall than Saturday. ”

      ““We failed to predict and plan these shortages and that’s simply unacceptable,” Newsom somehow said without bursting into flames.

      “Give me a break.

      “No one “failed to predict” anything.

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      OldOzzie

      OriginalSteve
      January 25, 2021 at 7:43 pm · Reply
      And…..chickens the size of psycho emus ( with roid rage thrown in..) coming home to roost like a dump truck through the ceiling at 3am….

      Germany is completely…. Merkelled…..

      https://notrickszone.com/2021/01/19/last-ditch-effort-germany-weighs-electricity-rationing-scheme-to-stabilize-its-now-shaky-green-power-grid/

      “Green energies destabilized the German power grid

      “Then in the 1990s, environmental activists, politicians, climate alarmists and pseudo-experts decided they could do a better job at generating power in Germany and eventually passed the outlandish EEG green energy feed-in act and rules. They insisted that wildly fluctuating, intermittent power supplies could be managed easily, and done so at a low cost.

      “Blackouts threaten

      “Fast forward to today: The result of all the government meddling is becoming glaringly clear: the country now finds itself on the verge of blackouts due to grid instability, has the highest electricity prices in the world, relies more on imports and is not even close to meeting its emissions targets.

      “Germany’s rickety and moody power grid now threatens the entire European power grid stability, as we recently witnessed.

      Easy fix…put engineers ( not greenists ) back in charge, sack any bureacrat who dares advocate flaky wind power, and sack any pollie who enabled this green nonsense. Job done.

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      Mal

      Turnbull, The swamp zombie!
      Who cares about his opinion
      He wants the working and middle class to bare the burden while he can masquerade as one of the greenie puratanicle elite

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    Salome

    I have a small SUV. It has a smaller engine and better fuel economy than my previous very small car–probably because it’s made of plastic, but let’s not go there. Fact is, engines have been getting smaller and fuel use greatly reduced (since, say, the 1960s). And yet we have to ditch these efficient machines that carry their own generators in them for something you plug in at power points.

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      Klem

      At work we drive Ford f-150s with the 3 litre engine and 10 speed transmission. Its hard to believe but they get 10.5 litres/100km consistently. Thats almost 27 mpg, for a 5000lb barge with the aerodynamic of a barn, that is remarkable.

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    el gordo

    Here you can see how a meandering jet stream, caused by a quiet sun, swirls around the high pressure causing ‘blocking’.

    https://www.weatherzone.com.au/synoptic.jsp?d=0

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    RickWill

    I have to explain that I listen to the BBC World News to put me to sleep. Last night it discussed the topic of electrifying SUVs.

    The expert suggested that SUVs are not a lot different to smoking. We all know it is bad for us but we are hooked on them. It would be preferable to use a smaller car and that would be similar to changing from smoking to vaping; not good for us but better than smoking. Then he went on to say that obviously the best way is to just give up driving and walk; better for the health of the planet and ourselves. I wondered if the expert or the interviewer owned a car!

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      Annie

      What a wonderful idea, not. I can just see myself, at late 70s in age, walking or cycling 18kms into town in 35C or more to pick up my shopping! We run two older cars we look after; that’s what I call ‘sustainable’.
      The only new cars we ever had were when we were stationed in Germany and Cyprus, tax free! Even then, the one in Cyprus was cheaper anyway, because it had been sitting in the sun all summer long after the 1974 coup and was badly faded!

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      Saighdear

      I gave up on listening to that news – used to be REALLY educational, but now it makes the blood BOIL. I ask myself, is it Really an age thing? It’s the blatantly wrong facts that are being promulgated as truth. Must say that I sleep better now from hearing LITTLE news!!
      So has the “expert” ever had to pull a trailer or carry a bigger load some distance into a remote corner of the little world they live in? .. and how often do we look for a Smoker to get a Light for the BBQ or defrost a frozen doorlock, or even to SEE the time?

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    Furiously curious

    Well off topic, but this being “Invasion Day” I couldn’t stop myself. If you really want to stand with the First Nations, surely you have to do better than stage demonstration marches. They just feel so patronizing and white privileged. Put some heart into it, and follow the Aboriginal customs to acknowledge loss — I am going to be very disappointed not to see young people renting their garments, thrashing around in the dirt wailing; beating their fists bloody on the ground; using sharp rocks, and sticks to gnash deep cuts to their heads and body. This should be kept up for at least several days. Anything less just doesn’t show respect to First Nation’s customs.

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    a happy little debunker

    SUV’s focus much more on the ‘sports’ than the ‘utility’.
    A quick perusal of the so-call SUV’s show no utility at all!

    If you need something with utility – get a ute…

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      Yarpos

      We find ours has great utility especially when its raining or very hot, but then we also have a ute for everything else. I guess that makes us bad. If only I cared.

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      RickWill

      The Toyota Hilux was Australia’s highest selling vehicle in 2020.

      In the US, the top three model sales are all pickups by a massive margin.
      The F-Series Ford has a GVM just over 3100kg
      The Chevrolet Silverado has GVM around 3500kg
      And the Dodge Ram pickup comes in well over 4400kg.

      These are monster vehicles that lead SUVs by a huge margin in the USA.

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        Dennis

        It is wise to check rear axle loading legal limits, for example a Ford F-150 is not better than “smaller” most popular utes sold here.

        Move up to F-250/350 and other brands of that specification and legal load capacity increases.

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      another ian

      In my experience a station wagon type ve3hicle on a rural property as a property “beater” is about as useful as a hip pocket in a singlet.

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    robert rosicka

    My big SUV drinks around 20 litres of diesel per 100 kilometres and more when towing which can be a pain but lots of fun .

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      Saighdear

      you should be “ASHAMED of YOURSELF” ! 😉 farz Greta, did ye hear that? but seriously, and for your OWN POCKET, there’s a load of fun to be had for longer with more economical vehicles. Jings, here in UK, Artics are now about as economical as that. but horses for courses,

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        Sceptical Sam

        Your Artics are pip squeeks compared to our B-doubles and road-trains. Like rr I too manage 20 l/K in my LandCruiser a f often pay up to 2.00 / litre for the endless reliability when towing in the bush.

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    WokeBuster

    Nothing the Great Reset can’t fix.

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    What happens to the world’s military?
    They all use a tremendous amount of fossil fuels.

    Silly me, that gets added onto the taxpayers.

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    dinn, rob

    Hawley: alliance of leftists and woke capitalists hopes to regulate https://balance10.blogspot.com/2021/01/hawley–alliance-of-leftists-and-woke.html

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    Neville

    Of course none of Biden’s BS and fraud will make the slightest difference to climate or temp or anything else.
    See Zickfeld et al, the Royal Society/ NAS study and even the far left “Conversation” agrees.
    But it will waste trillions of $ for a guaranteed ZERO return by 2100 and beyond.
    BTW the NZ govt’s ( 0.1% of global co2 emissions) study found that net zero would cost them 5 trillion $ by 2050 and Lomborg’s expert team agrees with their findings.
    So Australia would have to waste 55 trillion $ (1.1%) and USA about 690 trillion $ ( 13.8%) by 2050.
    Anyone starting to see a BIGGGG problem? When will these donkeys wake up?

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      Yarpos

      Just print more money, simples

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      Maptram

      Every few years, when the temperature shows no sign of increasing, the end date gets moved. It used to be 2030, and it seems like only a couple of years ago that the end date became 2050, now it’s 2100. In a couple of years it will be 2200.

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      RickWill

      Neville wrote:

      But it will waste trillions of $ for a guaranteed ZERO return by 2100 and beyond.

      You have understated this by a long margin. The returns are a lot worse than ZERO. Not only is all that money spent wasted but it loads up the real economic activity with massive additional cost.

      All the money spent in Australia on grid intermittent power has added to the cost of electricity. It has made no reduction in fossil fuel capacity. The few coal plants that have retired have been replaced with gas and diesel.

      The cost of integrating electric cars into any modern economy is also enormous. There will be a push to tax the backside out of fossil fuel consuming vehicles to force people into expensive electric vehicles or less expensive electric scooters and lightweight vehicles. Or they could walk, cycle and use public transport.

      I expect that added tax on fossil fuel vehicles in the USA will be the factor that makes the Democrats unpalatable in the USA. Compared to Europe, UK and Australia, USA get free gasoline. Gasoline costs USD0.7/l in the USA and USD1.7/l in France.

      The BBC are saying the only way EVs will be accepted in the UK is to tax ICE vehicles out of existence. No one will opt for all the pain of owning an EV unless the pain of owning an ICE powered car is greater.

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      Serge Wright

      The CO2 levels are not an issue for the planet from a UN perspective. We can be 100% sure of this because the framework agreements give a free pass to the developing countries that contain the population numbers needed to create a warming problem – if it really existed. Since the inception of the climate agreements back in 1992, CO2 emissions have doubled and 100% of all of these emissions increase were from developing countries. Despite this obvious statistic, no changes have been made to include the offending developing countries into making mandated cuts to emissions and economic priorities remain above emissions cuts as defined by the 1992 agreement, still in force today. This is even despite 2/3 of all emissions (and rising) now coming from the developing countries. Further, the UN climate agreements have driven up global emissions faster than would have been the case otherwise, because they had the effect of both transferring energy efficient industry and their emissions from developed countries to energy inefficient industry in developing countries and increasing the rate of overall development and emissions in the developing countries – which is the obvious intention of the climate agreements. Also, with the developed countries reaching peak development way back in 1980, the only future potential emissions remaining in the world after that date were from the developing countries, which make up 85% of global population. This emissions potential is enormous due to the population numbers and is still less than 30% realised. The good news however, is that the UN has no problem with emissions as they are helping to drive them up faster, albeit under the guise of a false climate scare agenda, but these are smart people that would have fully understood the ramifications of the agreements and since they have never removed the free pass and have no plans to ever remove the free pass we can be 100% sure that CO2 is not a climate propblem.

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      jelly34

      Socialism only works until you run out of other peoples money – Margaret Thatcher.

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    Neville

    Everyone should read Dr John Christy’s account of their BS and Fra-d, as he explores all of their nonsense point by point.

    His talk at the GWPF in London is well worth your time and he and Dr Roy Spencer have stood the test of time.
    Plenty of graphs and data to support their claims.

    https://www.thegwpf.com/putting-climate-change-claims-to-the-test/

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      RickWill

      All a load of garbage. Earth’s temperature is thermostatically controlled. At -2C, sea ice forms and limits heat loss. At 30C high altitude reflective cloud becomes persistent enough to take surface heat uptake to zero so that is as hot as the sea surface gets apart from a few nooks and crannies like the Persian Gulf where the cloudburst cycle is disrupted.

      The “Greenhouse Effect” and back-radiation is just utter nonsense. It is not even good science fiction as it has no basis in physics.

      The satellite lower troposphere date is a meaningless number. It gives something like the cloud base temperature; absolutely nothing to do with surface temperature:
      http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/irss_tlt_0-360E_-90-90N_n_2000:2020.png
      It ranges between 269K and 273K on an annual basis. Absolutely nothing to do with surface temperature. I suspect it is still biased. They would lose funding if they produced something that did not show a trend.

      There is no global warming. Easily checked by looking at any reliable temperature record like the moored buoys:
      https://1drv.ms/b/s!Aq1iAj8Yo7jNg3j-MHBpf4wRGuhf

      CO2 does nothing other than greening the planet and it appears that is resulting in land cooling but anything that happens on land is irrelevant to the energy balance and global temperature.

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        RickWill

        Can you please advise the word that took #20.1 into moderation?

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          John F. Hultquist

          No question, it was ” Bpf4wR “.
          Please, never use that again on this blog.
          Thanks.

          Seriously, Rick, moderation algorithms make no more sense than most politicians.

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          Mike Jonas

          The software thought you were insulting some people by calling them nooks and crannies?

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        Lucky

        If sea ice were to increase, yes it would be a a better heat insulator than the same mass of ocean water. (Thicker, less convection). It would also increase heat reflection being more white and shiny than ocean water. I think I will be a pessimistic on this one, when it gets cold it will be real bad cold.

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    Neville

    Why am I in moderation?

    [No idea.]AD

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      G’day Neville,
      The change AD found for me seems to work.
      Last week all my attempted replies went straight into moderation. I’m expecting this one to go straight through.
      Cheers
      Dave B

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    Serge Wright

    Jo, I know where you are going with this article – ie: people power rejecting the will of the elites. However, once these people gain power as is now the case in the USA, we can expect a slow and steady stream of regulations towards “net zero” freedom and “net zero” prosperity for the people. The reality of the situation is that they now control the media, big tech, educational institutions, law enforcement agencies and they even have the power to have you cancelled from your job. The SUV will probably become a tool used by the elites to shame those that don’t toe the Marxist-progressive line and from what we have seen with their orchestrated riots across the USA last year, it is very possible that one day we could see Antifa “peaceful” protesters smashing up such vehicles and taking matters into their own hands with the drivers, including those of all fossil fuel powered vehicles and all fully endorsed by the government and media. With Antifa now unchained with the Marxists running the show, my guess is that Antifa will be given a much broader role to literally cancel businesses or individuals that are seen as a threat to the success of the new order. We need to watch this space.

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      another ian

      “we can expect a slow and steady stream of regulations towards “net zero” freedom and “net zero” prosperity for the people. ”

      Looks more like a blaggard rush to Pol Pot 2

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        Serp

        The exterminating zeal of the Khmer Rouge would be the gold standard of thuggery to which antifa aspires; I am already worn out thinking about this decade that’s not even a month old…

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        another ian

        Incidently the Brave spellchecker didn’t like “blaggard” as a word.

        Curious?

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    frednk

    Oh dear they are widening the net. Lucky your a small web site in Australia

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww5TdJm41XM&pbjreload=101

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    Harves

    Has Zali bought her electric vehicle yet?

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    Coochin Kid

    Nothing against small cars, but why should all of them be small.? At 6′ 2″ folding ones ageing body to sit with knees suporting my double chin while my bum is being draged along the ground , like a dog with worms. I have to refuse to travel in my childrens “hip” cars. And instead drive by my self in comfort of my s.u.v.

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    Richard Jenkins

    Wagga Wagga mayor promised to drive their new EV to Sydney. What happened?
    I know a journalist test driving a new Jag EV went from Sydney to Canberra. He was not going to make Canberra and detoured 11 Km to fast charge. He took 3 days to recharge for the return trip. Rented a petrol car while in Canberra.
    He may have used ac, wipers or heating as it is recommended to have blankets, gloves, avoid rain, open he windows to cool and leave audio off. Driving in daylight saves power loss to lights.
    EV have a 12v lead acid battery to run all the extras. The main battery is from 110 volt or more. The 12 volt typical battery is charged from the big battery.
    Did the mayor drive to Sydney. He was proving a point. What happened?

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      Chad

      Richard , you made this same post last week ..why repeat it. ?
      So i will repeat my answer..
      It was not necessary to “take 3 days ro recharge it”… any current EV could recharge sufficiently in an hour or two. But even using a normal 240v 10 amp domestic power point, it could have recharges sufficiently in 12 hours.
      You do yourself no credit by repeating false information.
      PS ..i am not a fan of the current available EVs because of their impracticality for LONG trips , and their terrible value point.

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        Dennis

        Not for country drivers, maybe for short trips for town based people who do not need to drive long distances.

        I would buy an EV if;

        * Price was comparable to ICEV equivalent model.
        * Recharging time was a maximum 15 minutes to fully charged, not eighty percent and loss of twenty per cent of range.
        * If one hundred per cent of energy was available, not limited to ten per cent retention discharge. Typically thirty per cent of theoretical range unavailable.
        * Recharging stations were as easy to locate as fossil fuel stations, everywhere.
        * Potential for battery exothermic reaction fire eliminated.

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          jelly34

          The chances of that happening Dennis is about zero.You can’t believe anything that is put up by the”so Called Experts”including the millage that they supposedly get.I bought a Mitsubishi Triton at an auction last year.Got it cheat and for a 4 cylinder turbo diesel,I expected to get reasonable millage.The best I could get was 15 litres per 100 klm.My wifes calais gets 8 liters per 100 klm.Pi$$ poor for a diesel in my view.

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        Richard Jenkins

        Chad, I did ask the question on ‘unthreaded’ an often different audience and no topic. I did not get a response. to the question. What happened? With the Wagga Sydney mayoral demonstration. I suspect he was advised to ‘forget about it’
        With the Jag the fact is that a gpo at his mother’s home took 3 days to recharge the battery. That is simply what happened.
        You had assistance with your response that was interesting. There is a high voltage DC cable across Bass Straight. However our grid is almost all High voltage AC.
        DC does require far more metal. I checked your accomplice’s claim that I was wrong to say electrons flow. It is the description on many documented websites with great graphics. Both the audio and text say electrons flow. Perhaps students should check!
        I taught my children and grandchildren to research for themselves. Skepticism is wisdom. Don’t just believe anybody including me. Don’t be gullible.
        The Jaguar article was in a magazine. The battery took 3 days to charge. He did not say how long he waited at the fast charge. He only wanted to get to the gpo in Canberra.
        The kids got heaps of poorly informed political indoctrination from school and MSM . AGW garbage included. We read James Hansen 1988. No ice in the Arctic after 1999 (this century) and many other predictions all clearly wrong. We looked at satelite photos of the North pole. People lose credibility when their claims fail.

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          Chad

          Richard,
          ..i have no idea what the Mayor of Wagga is doing with his travels….and no interest .!
          You also need to be more careful with your info sources,. I dont know who wrote that article about the EV trip from Syd to Canberra, but he was obviously lieying or a completed D1k Head !

          I know a journalist test driving a new Jag EV went from Sydney to Canberra. He was not going to make Canberra and detoured 11 Km to fast charge. He took 3 days to recharge for the return trip. Rented a petrol car while in Canberra.

          The jag could easily make Syd – -Canbra if charged before starting….mistake #1
          ?if he detoured 11 km to fast charge.. that was mistake #2 … there are chargers on the highway service areas.
          3 days to recharge “ for the return trip” ..is just Bull 5h1t , as i have explained. Even on a domestic 240v outlet less than30 hrs would do it …..but why a domestic outlet….there are plenty of public charge points in Canberra that would do the job in 2-3 hours max. !
          The article was obviously a deliberate “put down” of EVs by a not too intelligent journo

          The rest of your post is rambling comments ??
          What assistance are you seeing with my comments ?
          What is the relevance of the Bass Straight HVDC interconnector ?
          Electrons do not “flow”…that is a concept designed to help non physists understand the concept of atomic charge… there is NO physical movement of any particles…
          ….. it is the “charge potential” that moves.

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        Chad
        To properly charge an EV one needs many hours. The “fast charge” takes around 20 mins for the fastest and up to an hour for others – and I have heard of longer. The fast charge puts in around 70%.

        Then of course one has to find the stations.

        We have not even considered running out of charge. In this case the only alternative is to get the EV towed to a recharge station – huge waste of time and cost. If any of my petrol vehicles runs out then I can get somebody to appear with a jerry can and off we go.

        Finally, I hear the military have been talking about EVs. I drove trucks in the Army by the way. Complete and utter idiocy and stupidity. In a war one needs an easy and quick way to fuel up, and liquid fuels are it. With EVs you have to take the fuel to a generator (nice big heat signature) and then run it for hours to recharge vehicles in the field. Nice lot of stationary vehicles rather than getting in and out real quick. The military should never ever consider EVs for combat vehicles, you will lose the war…

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          Chad

          PoB…
          Most fast chargers will charge 80% capacity.
          Charging time depends on battery capacity and actual “”charge Rate” ..anything from 50 to 350 kW…
          45 mins is common , but the latest European 350W Rapid Chargers and Porche EVs can be less tha 30 mins.
          A “Full” charge can be done on a home based charge unit ..for say a Hyundai Kona EV in 6 hours. ( again depending on battery capacity) ..but enough to get 400kms.
          WRT the military and EVs, you have to remember that not all EVs are battery powered.
          But”Battery powered “Military Machines”. Are used extensively , and have been since WW2…in the form of Submarines……and of course much of the modern fleet is now Nuclear powered ( electric drive)
          Are you aware that the USA had a Nuclear power plant in a bomber aircraft in the 1960s ?
          You should not quickly dismiss the appllication of “Fuel Cell” EV tech to military possibilities

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    Bones

    1. As the door stopped Mosman mum said to a TV reporter, I have a big car because I have a lot of children.

    2. SUV’s are high and easier to load into; groceries and babies. (less bending over).

    3. SUV’s often sit higher on the road and offer better visibility of traffic.

    4. As to fuel consumption, my Toyota Landcruiser station wagon has a fuel tank capacity of 134 litres providing a range of a little over 1,000 kilometres at an indicated 110 or 12o kph.

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      Chad

      Bones
      January 26, 2021 at 10:35 am ·….., my Toyota Landcruiser station wagon has a fuel tank capacity of 134 litres providing a range of a little over 1,000 kilometres at an indicated 110 or 12o kph

      ..Hmm?…..i suspect you have just confirmed the original suggestion of “fuel guzzeling SUVs”. !
      Fyi..my Hyundai SUV only has a 60 ltr tank , but can still easily cover 1000km before refil !

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        Dennis

        Yes, the range of SUV models, dimensions, weights and engine capacity vary but so does load and towing capabilities.

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    Harves

    It’s not k for rich people to drive gas guzzlers. They justify it by buying ‘carbon offsets’ in the belief that somewhere someone will plant a tree for them and they can feel all warm and fuzzy inside. It’s only poor people who can’t afford virtuous offsets that are not allowed to drive big cars.
    I have a long term friend whose as ‘green’ as you can get… electric motorcycle, votes green, climate alarmist etc. oh, did I mention his hobby is flying an ex-military jet fighter? He’d be in the top 1% of individual fossil fuel users in the country … but it’s all good – carbon offsets.

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      Harves

      Should say “It’s ok for …”

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        Richard Jenkins

        Harves, I wonder about carbon offset calculations. Animals and rotting are using oxygen. Photosynthesis produces oxygen.
        Grass is dense and grows quickly. That is producing a lot of biomass. Mature trees are providing shade that reduces photosynthesis. Old growth forests support many animal forms that need oxygen. The undergrowth is denied sunlight. The forest is probably negative oxygen. All considered farms and the sea are probably our oxygen positive sources.
        Solar farms destroy photosynthesis and windmills reduce it. Windmills directly kill birds and bats and insect deaths are a food source. insects also polinate.

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    Bones

    Chad, there’s no way I wish to experience nor am I now capable of bouncing around on Australian roads

    in a short wheelbase car with tiny tyres chattering away like a sewing machine and arrive home

    stuffed after 1,000 kilometres of a one day, one driver journey.

    Horses for courses and surely one is allowed to make choices.

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      Chad

      Just sayin’…
      Whilst there are many good reasons for needing such a vehicle,..
      A $90,000+ , 13 L/100 Landcruiser isnt the only vehicle capable of covering 1000km @100+km/h on outback roads without problems.
      Infact some of the newer designs are more comfortable too !

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    steve

    Always thought combustion engines put out CO, not CO2

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      Richard Jenkins

      steve, Cars produce both CO & CO2. CO IS Combustable. During WW2we had gas producers making CO on cars to run them on CO. A little petrol was used to get started and warmed up.

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      Serp

      As in feeding a hose from exhaust into passenger compartment with windows shut and motor idling? I’m sure that in its normal performance range the ICE exhaust is principally the dioxide of carbon.

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      another ian

      You’re supposed to open the room door periodically if you use a kero heater.

      Consumes oxygen and puts out some CO I gather.

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    Aloha! I have a simple question to Greta or any other hyper climateer! We all live in ROI WORLD, where we want a fair return on our investment. You buy a SUV and you expect it to have an engine and last longer than 20,000kilometers! You buy TSLA stock and you expect Elon will make products that will make TSLA stock price go up! We all look for a ROI even leftist enviros! Even Greta’s parents want a ROI for Greta’s “brand”! They probably have a Greta copywrite and patent!

    To all climateers who believe Al Gore and Bill Gates and Leonardo DiCaprio are Gods.
    If you take $1bil of our tax money what is our ROI? Will we get one less hurricane/cyclone in 2021 than we did in 2020? Will the sea level only rise .0000000000001mm in 2021? Will we get three less forest fires in 2021? You can’t expect to just take our money without a ROI. That’s illegal! If TSLA did that Elon would be in jail! So again … what’s our climate ROI? And don’t just say you don’t know and then expect us to be okay with a ZERO return! You’re not okay with $0!

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    Philip

    I read of a battery that can be charged in 5 minutes, made by some Isreali company. They’ve done it with scooters i believe (dont quote me). If transferable to a car size battery this is a game changer. Petrol engines will not compete against that in the end. This is why I detest greens and their whining. Everything will transform should the technology be up to it.

    Makes a mockery of people investing fortunes in those things getting about out there now with 13 hour to 80% capacity charging. They’ll be redundant as a betamax in no time.

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      Hanrahan

      Philip, learn some basic electricity.

      An EV to achieve good range in safety and comfort [ie heated/airconditioned] would need 100kWh batteries. To charge that in five minutes would need 2,000 kW charge rate, divide by 240 [volts] and you have a current of 833 A. That much power is unsafe in a retail environment. Your wall socket is rated @ 10A. The cables to plug into your car might be too heavy to handle, not sure about that. The power cables for drag lines on coal mines need big dozers to move them as they “walk” along the pit.

      As it is, the nearest 22kW charger is 1.300 kms away. I’m not holding my breath waiting for one 100 times faster to appear at the local shopping centre.

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        Lucky

        Solving the charge time problem on electric cars-

        1. By recharging from a big stationary battery, or capacitor, that is otherwise on continuous charge. A very high current (1,000amps?)as Hanarahan says, but only a few meters distance.
        2. Have all car batteries made of standard segments so you do not recharge but exchange a few segments of the battery. This could take maybe 20 minutes, requires labor so probably expensive but suited to busy and important people who would get a subsidy. The exchange cost would be determined by an algorithm using measurements on the segments and on electrolyte condition.
        3. Swap the whole car, exchange cost as above. Cars for busy and important people have no personality being standard.
        Compare changing horses before the motor age.

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        Chad

        Hanrahan
        January 26, 2021 at 7:00 pm ·
        Philip, learn some basic electricity.

        An EV to achieve good range in safety and comfort [ie heated/airconditioned] would need 100kWh batteries. To charge that in five minutes would need 2,000 kW charge rate, divide by 240 [volts] and you have a current of 833 A. That much power is unsafe in a retail environment. Your wall socket is rated @ 10A. The cables to plug into your car might be too heavy to handle, ….

        Hanrahan… learn somebasic electricity yourself !
        Currently the 350 kW chargers (400v DC) are actually running 875 amps !
        (Your 2000kW charge rate would actually need 8,333 amps !)
        BUT,..To charge 100kWh in 5 mins would “only” need 1200kW charge rate.. !
        And if from a 240v supply (unlikely) that would need 5000 amps !
        But, the “rapid” charge systems use DC charging at battery voltage ..400v typically).. so that 1200 kW rate would “only” be 3000 amps !!!
        So the scale of the problem is even bigger than you estimated
        Heavy, watercooled cables on automated robotic connection systems are proposed for some of these crazy systems.

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      Philip
      Super fast charging is going to be extremely difficult. The wires all have resistance. Trying to push large amounts down them suddenly will heat them up massively, melted wires and fires will result v quickly.

      Of course we could have supercooled superconducting cables but then the battery itself will have the same issue as above, hello lots of fires.

      EVs have a whole host of problems we have to overcome before we can use them in large numbers.

      Oh, and there are many fires already. Last year I was at a performance at the Gold Coast and a Prius taxi was on fire in the carpark. The firey I spoke to said that it happens quite frequently…

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    frednk

    According to people that are taking the changing climate seriously, you lot are now pretty much an irrelevant fringe group.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/climate-change-after-pandemic.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab-intl-en

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      Peter C

      Thanks Frednk (aka Galah)

      An irrelevant fringe group?

      LIFE AFTER WARMING JAN. 19, 2021
      After Alarmism The war on climate denial has been won. And that’s not the only good news.

      Pleased to hear it. But it is irrelevant itself, since it is Fake News.

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      Serp

      Right, we’re gonna believe the guy who wrote a book entitled “The Uninhabitable Earth”. Why not go the whole hog and find an article by Michael Mann or a clip of John Kerry talking about the carbon dioxide blanket at the top of the atmosphere? I’d suggest you find a credible source for this guff but we both know there isn’t one.

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      el gordo

      ‘According to people that are taking the changing climate seriously … ‘

      That is me sir and I can say without fear of contradiction we should have a pretty good idea within a year whether CO2 causes global warming. Natural variability is making a comeback.

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    Harry Passfield

    In the UK there are (at lteast) two good reasons for SUVs and Pickups to be popular:

    1. The EU mandated that all passengers in a vehicle had to have a seat with a seat-belt. Above average families were penalised.
    2. Running a Pickup, especially with a crew cab, is tax-efficient for the self-employed like by son-in-law.

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    CHRIS

    What a laugh from the Galah! Taking Climate Change seriously? From what planet did you evolve from, Galah? Certainly not this one. I am totally sick and tired of nitwits like FREDNK raving on about ‘çlimate change’…we have enough of that at ‘our’ ABC. Until Galahs like frednk finally wake up and start thinking for themselves (which I know is hard for brainwashed disciples of St Greta to understand), I will shrug my shoulders and tell them ‘if you can’t think for yourself, then you deserve all you get’.

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